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| | Genital HerpesPage 2 of 32 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32) | If you are an 'owner' of cold sore there is a chance you can inflict yourself with 'cold sore' on different part of your body through the touch by being either absent minded or spur of moment only for a second. Treating cold sore on lips - usual place - must be followed by good soapy hand wash.
It is a virus, dormant that flares up now & then.
No, her life is not over and you know it too. Her honesty deserves 
Besides, you have already indicated how to master this 'obstacle', haven't you?
All the best,
bzzzzzzzz | |
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Posted: 8/25/2005 10:03:57 AM | don't think the prevalence is as high as 1 in4
Unfortunately, it is. Some estimate it to be one in four, others one in five. Either way, it is a safe bet to say that at LEAST 20% of the population has it - and 90% has HSV-1 orally.
Pretty big chunk of people, isn't it?
ALSO, there is something called autoinnoculation. This is where a person reinfects themselves on another area of their body.
It is difficult for this to happen, especially if you've had the virus for a long period of time and your body has built up enough antibodies to the virus, but it does happen. Never touch a cold sore then another mucous membrane without thoroughly washing your hands.
BTW, thanks Deacon! | |
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Posted: 8/25/2005 10:10:18 AM | | Wait a second here....are you saying that one in four people have herpes simplex type II here ? Cuz, I can easily believe one in four but only if it's for types I and II together. | |
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Posted: 8/25/2005 10:16:50 AM | It doesn't matter WHAT strain it is, if it's on your genitals, it's GENITAL, if it's on your mouth, it's ORAL.
FYI:
The new cases of genital herpes is roughly 50% HSV-1 and 50% HSV-2, and the cases of HSV-2 orally are rising as well. For some reason, scientists have discovered that HSV-1 genitally is not as severe as HSV-2 genitally - as if the strains have a natural 'preference' for location. The same holds true for HSV-2 orally.
But yes, approximately 20% of the population has GENITAL herpes.
^^That's what we get for brushing it under the carpet. It spreads and nobody knows just how prevalent it is.
How do I know this? I am a closet addict of the AJM and CDC publications. For some reason, epidemics, viral strains (like SARS, etc) fascinate me. | |
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Posted: 8/25/2005 10:21:17 AM | That's frickin amazing.
Hear that kids ? You're going to get nasty warts on your peepees.
Remember, you heard it here first. It's a POF exclusive. | |
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Posted: 8/25/2005 10:23:07 AM | | ^^Don't get me started on HPV. | |
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Posted: 8/25/2005 5:41:58 PM | | :) thanks for the added info babs.... ppl need to get informed ...... | |
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Posted: 8/25/2005 6:43:14 PM | Interesting topic, But as I recall; it began with a query as to herpes in a relationship and how would one broach the subject, and react to such an announcement.
Well...not to sound too sage...It is an experience that is close to my heart as I once had a relationship with a girl who was quite frank about her condition before we ever got intimate.
We took precautions...abstinance when an outbreak was pending or active, and that was entirely succesful for the two years of our relationship.
I considered her brave and thoughtful in her approach; that is in allowing me to make an informed decision.
That being said...there is always the possibility that when the seemingly inevitable breakup is imminent; what's to stop your partner from not informing you of an active outbreak just out of spite?? | |
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Posted: 8/25/2005 6:51:46 PM | | I'd stay clear myself. Impressed with the honesty, sure, but no dice. | |
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Posted: 8/25/2005 7:36:43 PM | I respect her it takes a lot of guts to tell someone that....and a lot of trust.
I was exposed without knowing it at the time, while the person was in a dormant cycle. Since then I have been tested clean, but it scared me. I felt both angry and sorry for the person who exposed me. I think I was the only person they ever told about it.
You should always have the choice. I can believe that the incidence is so high, people don't know it is not one of the blood tests that drs run yearly. I get routine std testing of the most common things when i get my yearly blood tests, just a precaution for my sanity. Last time my Dr just put STD testing on the form and the nurse asked me about it and I said give me all of the tests then.... and the nurse at the testing center told me they had over 425 tests for various STD's. Yes 425..... incredibly 425... so guess what you are exposing yourself to without knowing it everytime you are intimate. I can't imagine how many people are carrying something without even knowing it.
Since I was exposed I did some reading, knowing what I know now I would have made the choice to be intimate still. I cared about him that much it didn't matter, the precautions need to be taken, but it is a risk I was willing to take with that person. Would I take it with just anyone not sure.
I practice as safe sex as I possibly can.... | |
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Posted: 8/25/2005 7:51:36 PM | | If someone told me that, I would seriously run in the other direction!!!!! I want nothing to do with venereal diseases!!! | |
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Posted: 8/25/2005 7:57:02 PM | | I think one has to weight the pros and cons. I would no more write someone off becaouse of an unfortunate, but controllable cold sore than I would a handicap. Some things are beyond a person's control. My life would have been poorer not having known her, and I believe one should drink fully from this chalice, not sniff at the rim. | |
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Posted: 8/25/2005 8:39:44 PM | I am curious to know if the OP continued the relationship with the gal that told him of her situation....... thinks he disappeared from his thread tho lol
Glad to see that there are a few of us that would give a person with this problem a chance :) | |
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Posted: 8/26/2005 12:33:58 AM | I never knew that about the cold sores on the mouth being a form of herpes.I had heard that it could be but didn't realize that basicly all cold sores are herpes and that oral to genital could cause genital herpes on a person even if the giver didn't have genital herpes.I read up on it though and it seems it's true.Also any warm moist contact with an infected are such as making out,laying together naked and sweating.Though with such ease of aquiring an infection it's not suprising that the numbers are so high.I'm pretty much a risk taker though.And if the fear of aids doesn't make me celibate then the fear of herpes sure isn't gonna. | |
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Posted: 8/26/2005 6:16:50 AM |
I never knew that about the cold sores on the mouth being a form of herpes.
You aren't the only one.
It isn't a just form of herpes - it IS herpes. The only difference between a cold sore and a genital sore is the location.
Oh, and the strain.
But keep in mind, one person could have HSV-1 on their genitals and the other have HSV-1 on their mouth. However, because the first person has it on their genitals, they are ostracized. Meanwhile, more transmissions happen orally than genitally.
Go figger.... | |
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Posted: 8/26/2005 7:19:47 AM | Babs.....
So nice to see you again and listen to your knowledge....
OT.....When you care about someone enough to want to be intimate, it only makes sense to be open and honest and talk. Why hide things from another that you care about enough to make love to them? I truly respect those women who share all with me about themselves before we decide to get that close and personal, and I share with them.....only way to be in my opinion.
Education and testing is just part of the dating scene now and should not be looked at in any other way, other than responsible actions taken by caring people....for themselves and for the ones they want to be with on that level. | |
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Posted: 8/26/2005 9:22:46 AM | I have a GF who has it and was devestated at the beginning...Her ex. DID NOT tell her he had a simple cold sore. BOOM...She has Herpes. If more ppl were open and honest about this, more ppl could protect themselves against it..
But ppl take this STD so waaaaaaaaay out of proportion...Yes it's incurrable currently. Yes it can be inactive and not infect anyone during that "dormant" period.(although the risk is 1-2% in an inactive state, to some that is still a risk to consider). I mean that's the same as being on birth control and when using it you have a 1-3% chance of still getting pregnant... Ppl still have sex when a girl is on pill right?? If an individual takes care of themself, and gets lots of sleep, reduce stress and eats well, it helps keep the symptoms at bay. But, unfortunately, they do have it for life. However many, many ppl have successful relationships and marriages and healthy children, while living with it. It's finding an understanding partner, and being open and honest with them, BEFORE you get to the physical stage. If you dont' think a potential partner can handle the news or will not want to stay around after you tell them, they aren't the person you want to be with are they? But regarldess, you also have to give the person the information and let them make the decision of wanting to stay in the relationship(hopefully they will ask lots of questions which you should educate yourself to answer them and then they can make an informed and educated decision). It's their body, their decision. That way they know the risks outright, and can't judge the partner, IF, for someone reason (will all precausions in place) they do catch it themselves. But if you take the precausions and the peson infected gets intune with their body, they will be able to help reduce the amount of risk in possible infection to their partner.
Having watch my GF go through this and help her seek the right information and support her, it's open my eyes up to this. Do you even realize how awful it is for someone to know they have it and still want to try and seek relationships, knowing how there is such a HUGE negative connotation to the word "herpes"??? Tell ppl you have a cold sore...no biggy...tell them you have Herpes Simplex 1 and they freak...that's all a cold sore is....Thats the medical terminolgy.
There are two types...Simplex 1 and 2...Simplex 1 is oral herpes. Commonly know as a cold sore/heat blisters..but can also appear on the face, hands and nose and eyes.(depending on if the infected person as touched themselves after touching an active sore).
Simplex 2 is genital herpes. Blisters/sores appear,and depending on the severity of the outbreak can be very uncomfortable. There are pills to help ppl who have regular occurances and there are medications out there to use to reduce the level of comfort.
What alot of ppl dont' know is that the 2 can be reversed because we all know about oral sex. And some ppl can get Simplex 1 down below and other get simplex 2 up above....1, is the less severe of the two, and has less outbreaks per year, if, even at all, a yearly outbreak...where as 2 can be more frequent and more intense.
But dont' judge a person badly because they have it. Find out how? Lots of ppl dont 'know they even have it or carry the virus. So dont' make assumptions the person is necessarily hiding it. Sure getting tested is a good measure and should be agreed apon by both parnters. However if you have it you will always have it. My GF, still gets down when having to start a new relationship (not because it's ended due to having the simplex but because of the regular wonderful ups and downs of relationships...LOL) because sometimes it's very hard to know, how a potentinal partner will react. Each time you tell someone, there is always a 50/50 chance they wont' want to continue. But if you have your facts straight, information to give them on what it really is and how together you can protect yourselves, it doesn't seem as such a scary thing as it has typically been blasted in society.
Anyways that's my two bits.
Cheers Shiloh | |
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Posted: 8/26/2005 9:32:15 AM | Shiloh!! Thank you! That is what I wanted to say and you worded it perfectly!!  | |
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Posted: 8/26/2005 3:14:44 PM | This is a very misunderstood topic and it is very terrific to see that some ppl have actually done the research and know what they are talking about. HPV can be controlled to a certain level with stress management, diet and excersize. Did you know that excessive amounts of chocolate can trigger outbreaks? It contains an enzime argininne (sp) that in high amounts can trigger an outbreak.
I'm glad that the woman chose to tell this gentleman about her condition. It is not easy to do and there is absolutely no shame in it. I'm sure most of you have had a cold sore at one time or another (as the statistics show).
Babs... thanks for being so on the ball with the information! | |
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Posted: 8/26/2005 4:58:39 PM | Umm HPV and Herpes are NOT the same thing although they do act in a similar manner within the nervous system of the body...Both viruses have variations, HPV more so, and can live dormant in the nervous system for long periods of time unless triggered by stress, bad diet, lack of sleep, etc....
The main difference between the two is that HPV is found as the root cause of cervical cancer which has the potential to KILL a woman, while HERPES has no such consequence...Hpv has become much more prevalent in recent years tripling in some demographics in numbers from a mere 20 years ago...
While HPV is also communicable only when in the "outbreak" stage, it is not communicable once it has turned into cancer...and it is also NOT preventable by the use of condoms or other safe sex practices...As I understand Herpes isn't either...As a matter of fact, even the "female condom" does NOT cover sufficient area to ensure a lack of transmission if an open sore or lesion is present in ANY way!!!
Unfortunately there is STILL very little known about the course of the disease...and the fact that women can DIE from this, makes me wonder about all of the silence!!!
Beware folks...this is one that's not only "uncomfortable" or embarassing...but it may actually KILL women who are infected!!!
Dee | |
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Posted: 9/25/2005 9:09:38 AM |
In general, you're not contagious unless you're shedding,
My question would be "Why would anyone sleep with someone when they actually saw these "blisters" or whatever they are on?" So that means that they are the only ones "getting the herpes?"
Are you sure it isn't contagious without an outbreak? Yikes! | |
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Posted: 9/25/2005 9:44:48 AM | I respect many of the opinions that I have read on this sight. Informative. It makes one think. I was a nurse many years ago overseas in a third world country. The jungles. I saw skin diseases the poor people contracted that would make you shudder. Just being bitten by a misquoto could kill you through rapid infection causing the whole body to become septic within a matter of hours or days. Apart from Herpies thare are many other forms of diseases where the parrasites can internally and externally take hold of the human body and use it as a host. The list is endless. Many of these diseases and conditions don't even have a name. It is only the most common and the most life threatening that become noticed. If a disease is not life threatening then there is a good chance it will have no CURE.
What we need is more research and funding for recovery programes to "STAMP IT ALL OUT" and that includes Genital Herpes. No disease discrimates. Just like the poisionous misquito, it just likes blood. It dosn't care who it bites or infects.
MORE MONEY FOR RESEARCH AND CURES = LESS DISEASES and more prevenative medicine.
I wonder if many of these cures could be found in the rain forests. | |
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Posted: 9/25/2005 9:53:50 AM | Interesting discussion...and as some said they didn't think it was as common as others mentioned, here are some statistics from a quick search on Google:
http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/g/genital_herpes/stats.htm
Prevalence and incidence statistics for Genital herpes: (see also prevalence and incidence page for Genital herpes)
Prevalance of Genital herpes: 67 million people (NIAID)
Prevalance Rate: approx 1 in 4 or 24.63% or 67 million people in USA [about data]
Incidence (annual) of Genital herpes: 500,000 new cases annually; 1 million annual cases (CDC 2001)
http://www.herpesclinic.com/genitalherpes/genitalherpesstatistics.htm
One in four adults have herpes.
There are approximately one million new cases of herpes each year.
http://www.cdc.gov/std/Herpes/default.htm
I think anyone sexually active, or contemplating doing so, should not be ignorant about anything that may affect them and could affect others. Because herpes is often undiagnosed and people don't know they have it, it's spread much quicker than most STD's. Luckily, it isn't going to kill anyone; there are much more deadly things one can get than herpes. According to some of the information I looked at, some people can think it was given to them by the last person they were with, when it could have been given to them by someone from a long time prior; this is because some people never have symptoms, or don't show them until a long time later. It's not hard to see why this has spread so far or so fast.
As I'm not going to be intimate with someone until I know them well, and know that we both want to try and make our relationship work, I wouldn't think our conversations about sexual past/health would come into the picture until we knew we wanted to take the relationship further; but maybe some people discuss this earlier such as the first tiem they meet; I don't know; it's been a while since I've been in the dating world ;)...but once the topic did come up, if this person told me they had herpes but we definitely had chemistry, cared about each other, had a good relationship otherwise and were looking to make something long term out of it, I can't see how their having herpes could dispel the chemistry, caring, or other good aspects of the relationship. | |
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Posted: 9/25/2005 7:05:50 PM | I'm deleting a lot here....I'm 40ish, divorced, we dated a few times, she is very pretty and had a hysterectomy 6 months ago, so I thought she would be perfect lover, She came over to my house, we laid on the bed and she said, "now is probably the time to tell you I have Herpes". Other guys brushed her off. I wore a condom, couldn't get a hard on....really really liked this girl...READ UP ON HERPES...I spent $200 for complete herpes test and $98 for 8 viagra tabs and condoms,
I love the woman. I think the Dr. said it was "reasonably" safe to have unprotected sex if she wasnt "shedding". There is some chance, but cheapo online sites have little detailed info.
I aint getting any younger..If I do get herpes, there is 25% of the female population who will be interested. What would I do if I was 20 or 30? probably get a hard on easier and wear a condom! | |
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