| Is there Life on other Planets?
Posted: 2/16/2006 11:19:28 PM |
The point, as I see it at least, is that the validity of arguments for the probability of life because of the size of the universe rests firmly upon unverifiable assumptions
Unvarafiable? At the moment yes. However all we need to do is find one more life supporting planet and it instantly become verifiable because then we know that we, the earth, are not a fluke.
nyway, everyone seems to automatically figure aliens are from outer space but why not somewhere here on earth ?
They're not aliens if they came from the same planet as us. The term alien, in this
context, referrs to a creature that did not originate from earth. Anything from the ocean is simply an earth species. If there is some advanced race down there, it's not an alien but simply another sentient/human intelligence earth species. And if there is something down there like that, it will most definetly cause alot of issues if we find it. | |
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| Is there Life on other Planets?
Posted: 2/17/2006 6:12:07 AM | | Hi LD. Of course aliens would not be called aliens anymore if they turned out to be from earth. The ones I was talking about were those grey creatures with the huge black eyes popularised by ufo culture. We certainly couldn't call them human. It's complete speculation I know, but it's something I've always wondered about....why assume they are from outer space? I also understand that the thread is about life on other planets but I still think it's a valid question since we know that the earth provides conditions that allow life to develop. | |
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| Is there Life on other Planets?
Posted: 2/17/2006 7:38:42 AM | Oh your absolutely right. It IS an assumption that they're from outer space, but then again it's also an assumption that they exist at all.
Also, have you seen the movie "Abyss"? It more or less covers your thoughts. | |
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| Is there Life on other Planets?
Posted: 2/18/2006 7:05:41 PM | | Below the sea or above it, they did not evolve here, if evolve is the right word. Someone knows the truth, but the someone's do not want to, or cannot, spill the beans. You can ask me why… I’ll give you various reasons for this. | |
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| Is there Life on other Planets?
Posted: 2/18/2006 7:51:21 PM | | Hi sky. Everyone loves a good conspiracy theory. Lets hear it. By the way, there is this guy, David Ike I believe, who says reptilian aliens are in league with powerful people in top military and governmental positions. Together they manipulate world events. Have you heard of him? Really weird stuff. | |
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| Is there Life on other Planets?
Posted: 2/19/2006 12:14:26 PM | I wrote a 2,000 word essay as part of an open university science course on this very subject.
The first part of the question is 'what is life?' a question, (correct me if I'm wrong) that science hasn't managed to properly answer yet. For anybody out there who's interested in Chemistry we were also encouraged to explore the idea that 'life' on another planet may be based on another element other than Carbon as it is on earth.
The second part of the question is about finding a planet with the right conditions for life to manifest. Outside of our solar system, there are planets in orbit round other stars. Just that we can't see them cos the light of the stars is too bright and the planets are too dull, we can tell they exist because of the wobble on the stars. The stars wobble cos the planets in orbit around them pull them around in their own orbits, just as the Sun has an orbit of it's own. Basically, we don't know an awful lot more than that about them. And it would take thousands of years to ever travel to one of them, they are so far away.
I have sometimes wondered if we could get to another planet by re-incarnation. I have also heard it said that there are people on earth who have had previous incarnations on other planets. (You can recognise them cos they have long, cone shaped heads!) Perhaps the answer to this question is through reincarnation? | |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 12:59:55 PM | I don't know a lot about reincarnation but just the thought of coming back as one of those hideous looking x-files things gives me the creeps. Besides, I would probably get bored of flying around disecting cows and watching the silly humans trying to figure out the latest crop circle.  | |
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| Is there Life on other Planets?
Posted: 2/20/2006 1:46:24 PM | Yes there is life on other worlds.
May not be human, but its there.
Are there OTHER sentient creatures out there similar in make?
Only a god would know as it is not discussed in the texts.
Perhaps that is what happens AFTER Revelation? | |
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| Is there Life on other Planets?
Posted: 2/20/2006 10:28:22 PM |
As a christian i don't believe there is life on other planets for the simple reason that Jesus came to EARTH
If you are saying Jesus came to Earth from Heaven, would that - technically - make Him an alien?
Just teasing you!
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| Is there Life on other Planets?
Posted: 2/20/2006 11:53:28 PM | Does life exist on other planets? Hell yes. At least, as far as I'm concerned; here's why:
SCIENTIFIC
The scientific argument is thus:
Given that WE exist (that this planet we're on can and does sustain life), the question as to whether or not life can exist in the Universe is "Yes".
Furthermore, given what we know about life on Earth, it is not only feasible that life exists elsewhere... it's almost a certainty. Man has spent years claiming to "know" exactly what type of environment is productive/required for life to exist... and yet our very own planet continues to prove us wrong: Nothing can live in an artic climate... wrong; Nothing can live in the extreme pressure of the deep ocean... wrong; Nothing can live in the sweltering heat of the desert... wrong. Therefore, given that life ITSELF has proven to break every rule we've been able to come up with, the question turn from IS there life, to what KIND of life is out there.
RELIGEOUS
What the hell makes you think that some higher being went through all the trouble of creating such a vast universe... just to put US in it? That's like using the Earth as an antfarm for just a few ants. Not to mention...
Given the complexity of such a being's mind... isn't it just the tinyest bit VAIN to think we're so goddamn interesting that we take up all of his/hers/its time?
Furthermore, let's not get caught up in somantics. Where the Bible is concerned, it mentions the GARDEN of Eden. Yea, ok... to US a garden may be a cozy little track of land behind the house... but let's put that into perspective: God created EVERYTHING in 6 days. A garden to us would be like an amoeba to Him. There is NOTHING in the bible which states that this PLANET wasn't the Garden, that when God bid us 'Go forth' the he simply meant move to 'Africa'.
Look at it this way:
God scattered mankind to the four winds because we became lazy. We gathered in one spot and started trying to build a tower to Heavan. God says, "Hell no. I told you to go out and explore all that I created for you... now go do it." Next thing you know, we're exploring. We cross the mountains... learn how to navigate to the seas and master the sky. That was supposed to be it? To a being who determines Time by infinite means... this is all he expected from us? What was the point in putting Space there in the first place for then? God got us to explore the planet by putting others in places where we had to SEARCH for them. By seeking out our fellow man... we accomplished his task of exploration. Therefore, it only makes sense that:
Given that God put Space and other planets out there, he meant for us to explore it. And the best way to get us to explore it would be to put someone out there for us to find. | |
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| Is there Life on other Planets?
Posted: 2/21/2006 3:19:23 PM | | Yes. All other inhabited worlds did not sin, therefore Jesus will not need to die on them. Although, in a sense, His earthly death served as an example; after seeing what Satan put the Son of God through, no one on the unfallen worlds would dare to follow him. We on earth are living out the results of Satan and his fallen angels before the universe. When it is all over someday soon, Satan and sin will be destroyed in the lake of fire and sin will never raise it's head again! | |
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Posted: 2/21/2006 6:37:59 PM | | Hi Nightlord. Some neat ideas. I would like to think that if God exists, he could do pretty much whatever he wants. Including wasting a lot of space. You make some good arguments, from a human perspective, but in my opinion, they still rest on the accuracy of your psychoanalysis of God. I freely confess that it is intuitively absurd that the universe be this vast for only us. Everything you said may turn out to be absolutely true. The thing is, I couldn't pretend to know. I think what I'm most uncomfortable with is the idea that the ubiquity of life on earth automatically translates to the ubiquity of life everywhere else. I guess it's not such a big deal since it's just a matter till we find out for sure. | |
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Posted: 2/21/2006 11:58:32 PM | his_man:
I find that statement to be completely ludicrous. If Satan was the embodiment of Sin/Evil... what the hell was he doing in Heavan to begin with? As in, before his Fall. No, Evil must exist seperate from God or Lucifer else there is no choice to be had and the word "Good" is meaningless... but that is yet another argument entirely.
Sorry to get off subject. | |
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| Is there Life on other Planets?
Posted: 3/16/2006 12:55:12 PM | Well, if there is no life on other planets and we were only meant for this planet, then why are there so many others???
Well, i personally haven't read the bible, but if the bible spoke of any other sons or daughters, i think because of humanities' sense of adventure and curiousity, they would always ask god who his other children were, so he made sure that it said his only son.
God didn't even want all these different religions, well my mom said that and i think she is a christian, but is too ill to go to church. (registered disabled with MS)
I respect your religion and every other religion, but i believe there are other alien lifeforms and i do mean sentient ones, not the bacteria stuff that is always spoke about on the discovery channel.
I certainly pray that they don't come here unless they want to say hello, because if they are advanced enough to leave their home system and travel and they plan to attack us, we wouldn't stand a ghost of a chance against them. | |
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| Is there Life on other Planets?
Posted: 3/16/2006 2:00:39 PM | As a christian i don't believe there is life on other planets for the simple reason that Jesus came to EARTH and died for us on THIS planet, not on Mars. If there was to be other life "out there" then there would have to be another Jesus but the bible says "God so loved the world that he gave his ONLY Son that who so believeth shall not perish but have everlasting life" so it would be imposible!!!!
The statement above kind of proves how close minded christians and other religious people are. To say there is not life on other planets whether it be single cell organisms to full blown humans or other animals is just not correct. We have already discovered life on mars in the form of bacteria and have already discovered water was once there. I believe there is intelligent life out there in more than one other place. They may be trying to communicate with us like we are trying to communicate with them but the distance just wont allow that. But without a doubt there is intelligent life out there the question is though how intelligent are they??? | |
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Posted: 3/16/2006 6:42:12 PM | For those of us who believe in the Word of God. In the book of Revelation chapter 21 verse 1 says "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also, there was no more sea."
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| Is there Life on other Planets?
Posted: 3/17/2006 2:34:05 AM |
I have sometimes wondered if we could get to another planet by re-incarnation. I have also heard it said that there are people on earth who have had previous incarnations on other planets. (You can recognise them cos they have long, cone shaped heads!) Perhaps the answer to this question is through reincarnation?
Hey spiritguide 
That's a pretty big assumption. Taking someones word for it just isn't enough in the scientific community. In all truth, there is simply no evidence that reincarnation exists. It may be fun to believe and all, but at the end of the day, the truth is the only thing that matters. Now I'm not going to say that reincarnation is true or not, but all I can say is that we don't know. We require more evidence. :)
SCIENTIFIC
The scientific argument is thus:
Given that WE exist (that this planet we're on can and does sustain life), the question as to whether or not life can exist in the Universe is "Yes".
Hello Nightlord.
I'm sorry, but this is wrong. The scientific argument is that we don't know, we require more evidence. It's a common myth that people believe science is based on assumptions, or statistics, when it is not. Science is based on hypothesis, observations, experiments, predictions, theories, and finally conclusions. It's called the scientific method, and I encourage all here to google up on what the scientific method is. Evidence is gathered through observation in the science of astronomy, or experimentation where the outcome can be predicted 100% every time. If the prediction is incorrect, then the theory needs to be revised. Remember, a scientific theory is not just a bunch of assumptions based on speculation like a conspiracy theory. They are two very different things.
To say there is not life on other planets whether it be single cell organisms to full blown humans or other animals is just not correct. We have already discovered life on mars in the form of bacteria and have already discovered water was once there.
Hi Michael.
Do you have a credible source for your claim that we've found life on mars? I'm very active in astronomy discussion boards, and if evidence of life, no matter how insignificant would be extremely big news. I've yet to hear of any from a credible source. Credible is the key word here. We've known that water has existed on Mars for quite a long time now. What we've yet to find evidence of is liquid water on mars, which is much more exciting. NASA has recently just announced news of a possible source of liquid water on one of Saturn's moons named Enceladus.
Source: nasa.gov/mission_pages/cassini/main/
This is very exciting news, since if the observation can be verified, it would mean that this is the first object in our solar system that we've found liquid water on other than Earth itself.
I'd like to end this post with a few notes on Intelligent Design and how Science works.
Many are familiar with what is called the "Intelligent Design theory." The truth is, ID is not a scientific theory as many pundits may claim. It is at best, an untestable hypothesis. There is no method for testing the accuracy of ID. In other words, you cannot perform experiments, and make accurate predictions with ID. With the Theory of Evolution you can make predictions through observation, and you can produce accurate results every time. Remember what I said about the scientific method earlier? Well, this is exactly how it works. If you can't predict what's going to happen with 100% accuracy, then it's not a scientific theory, end of discussion.
Secondly, the ID pundits claim that ID is an alternative theory to evolution, when in truth it is not. ID claims to know how life began. The theory of evolution makes no such claim. All that evolution does is predict how living organisms evolve from one state to another through the processes of specialization and natural selection. Evolution makes no claim to how life began, since we simply have yet to reproduce life from scratch. If, and when we can do that, we'll probably have a theory called the theory of life, which will be 100% reproducible in the lab. So the next time someone says, evolution is just a theory, remember, there's a lot of observations, and predictions to back that theory up. And with the hundreds of thousands of scientists out there, there has yet to be a single one that's been able to come up with a better model of how we evolve. If and when there is a model that makes better predictions than evolution, scientists will modify evolution to fit those predictions. That's just the way that science works.
Thanks to accurate scientific predictions, we now have the luxuries of faster computers, better preforming/more efficient vehicles, communication satellites that accurately predict their height to maintain stable orbits thanks to Newton's laws, among many many other things. To disregard scientific theory, just because you don't believe it, will only send us back to the stone age. Remember, science isn't a belief system, it's tried, tested, predicted and true.  | |
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| Is there Life on other Planets?
Posted: 3/17/2006 6:28:07 AM | | Ok, whether or not there is proof of any life on mars or any other planet is really not worth arguing right now because we simply really do not have the technology or we have not made much of an attempt to actually see if there is life on other planets. Yes we have sent probes that collected samples but I am not gonna change my beliefs because a fraction of a grain of sand size sample proves negative. As for mars my final decision will come when they actually send people there that can test some real size samples and can walk around and visibly with the eye search. I dont think they are gonna see people walking around lol but I do think they will find that life whether bacteria or whatever will be found. The odds that we are the only life in the whole universe is just crazy. There has got to be something more out there whether less or more advance. I have no doubt myself there are other beings out there just as advance as us trying to search for life and they are debating themselves whether life exists elsewhere and I have a feeling one day we will contact them or they will contact us. This all may sound crazy but it is just my opinion. | |
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| Is there Life on other Planets?
Posted: 3/17/2006 3:12:28 PM |
The odds that we are the only life in the whole universe is just crazy. There has got to be something more out there whether less or more advance. I have no doubt myself there are other beings out there just as advance as us trying to search for life and they are debating themselves whether life exists elsewhere and I have a feeling one day we will contact them or they will contact us. This all may sound crazy but it is just my opinion.
I don't think it sounds crazy at all, and it is my opinion as well that there must be more than just us out there due to odds alone. However, saying it is one thing, until we can prove it, it's just an opinion like you said. When opinions contradict things we already know with some certainty, that's when I get worried, because that means the public is being misinformed.
If you want to read some pretty nasty and racist remarks just about the human race landing on the moon...go to the thread/forum:
"Did man really land in the moon?"
This one is pretty tame compared to what you will read there..whew!
Hey nasajack
I tried looking for that thread, but I only went a few pages back into this forum. Is the thread in the Religion forum? I'm sure you're already familiar with how easily the moon hoax can be debunked. I'd recommend visiting the following site, if you haven't already.
www.badastronomy.com
There are a few NASA junkies, as well as scientist from all fields of science that regularly visit the forums there. The site is invaluable for those looking to debunk common myths in our everyday lives. | |
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| Is there Life on other Planets?
Posted: 3/17/2006 6:21:13 PM | We exist in a 'physical' reality...and I don't know if there is life on other planets but I do 'feel' the money that is being spent on the 'space race' is wasted...extraterrestrials are of a non-physical nature....
other places of interest....stuartwilde.com and www.wingmakers | |
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| Is there Life on other Planets?
Posted: 3/18/2006 10:49:27 AM | The main problem is that the only argument so far, is that the universe is so vast that there must be life on other planets, somewhere.
It's a logical argument and I happen to agree.
But, it must be pointed out that so far, absolutely NO concrete proof has been found that it's true.
200 years ago, people argued that the universe was so vast that God must exist, somewhere.
This is an interesting parallel. | |
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