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| Is there Life on other Planets?
Posted: 4/12/2006 1:50:29 PM | Hi, I have a question is a rock a life form? Yes there is life on other planets it only percieves on how you define a life form, for example does a plant grow, does not the earth grow does not a rock have a form, I apologize if I offended you in anyway. Also does not a star burn does not the sun create light. does not wind blow,
Most of these objects qualify as life forms.
Rocks are inorganic objects that change due to outside forces. They don't reproduce. Same with wind , or earth.
Plants are life, they breath , reproduce, die. They require nutrients and water to live.
Stars (our sun ) although probably being the biggest reason why life is supported on Earth, isn't a lifeform , in the way I understand it.
Skypoetone
I don't know if we'll ever unlock the true nature of the universe. Most of what we know are best guesses. Most of what cosmologist accept as truth can never be verified . I don't believe that the light speed limit can be exceeded, it's a fundamental quality of the "known" universe. Current technology doesn't support sending a manned mission to even the nearest solar system. Outside of building a generational ship ( read some Arthur C. Clarke ) we stuck in this little corner of the universe. Same deal for any aliens , if they exist.
Now lets say someone could get a ship up to near light speed, general relativity states that the time dilation ( reds shift or blue shift , I forget which it is ) would result in a hundreds or thousands of year relativistic round trip. A cosmonaut could leave and come back to no iving relatives, maybe not even a civilization.
I think it's time to accept that this ball of mud , and a couple near by planets and asteroids are all we have, and just try and get along. | |
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| Is there Life on other Planets?
Posted: 4/12/2006 4:08:09 PM | 2a4r5i225,
Hi, I have a question is a rock a life form? No.
does not the earth grow Not organically, and not any more than my desk grows when dust builds up on it.
as I say nothing is impossible just unknown Plenty is impossible. Is it impossible for me to have my penis grow to 14 inches when I snap my fingers? Yes. :)
Essentially, using words with different definitions can give some of us hope that we can make a point about a lot of things... but assuming we all use virtually the same defintion... a rock is not a life form. | |
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| Is there Life on other Planets?
Posted: 4/12/2006 10:20:10 PM | | Hi, In dreams its possible to have your penis grow 14 inches at the snap of the finger, or one hell of a penis pump. No offense. Say in the dark ages do you think that they thought it was impossible to fly in planes, as we do know, how do I know that say in 2000 years people will be to do that with their penis. I'm sorry if I offended you at all.=) | |
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| Is there Life on other Planets?
Posted: 4/13/2006 7:27:56 AM | In the Srimad Bhagavatam, written in 3100 BCE, there are couple of chapters that describe the millions and millions of planets on this universe. Scientists in the last couple of hundred years are finally finding out that there are indeed millions of planets on this universe.
The scripture talks about planets that have humanlike creatures, spiritual creatures and other creatures that are truly different. | |
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| Is there Life on other Planets?
Posted: 4/13/2006 9:49:59 AM | Hi, also when and does the universe end? i know its a stupid question, but what I'm getting at is that there no end so far so how do we know that there isn't life on other planets, I belive and know that there is life on other planets, its a matter of when or where we'll find or they decide to showthemselves.  | |
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| Is there Life on other Planets?
Posted: 4/13/2006 9:57:25 AM | No there is not.
If there were life out there,
it would have shown up on my ex-wife's cell phone bill. | |
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| Is there Life on other Planets?
Posted: 4/13/2006 9:58:07 AM |
UCbrotha - respectfully WORMHOLES! :)
Ya , I watch Start Trek too. Wormholes are a theory that has yet to be proven. Until such time we are still limited to sub-light travel in space.
Hey, I'd be pleased if a method was developed to open up true human exploration of space. Our planet is over populated, and we are using up resources at an unsustainable rate. Some things are available within our solar system, but that resourse is also unsustainable. If mankind doesn't figure out a way of terraforming Mars or Venus to make it habitable, or build orbital habitats, we are doomed. Unless we change the way we live, and slow population growth, we will chock out this rock we live on.
Or the events described Biblically happen, and it won't matter anyway. | |
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| Is there Life on other Planets?
Posted: 4/13/2006 10:36:45 AM | One day the truth will be known about the origin of our universe, and like it or not, my guess is, it will have nothing to do with Bible scriptures.
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I don't know about that.The literal interpretation of the Bible,yes, that has already been scinetifically scrapped for the most part.But like you say, religion does move toward scientific reality.This doesn't mean that religion gets replaced, but rather the religious modify their interpretation of scripture to mesh with scientific reality.
Ever watch those awesome documentaries on science and the Bible?I saw one last night from National Geographic on Sodom and Gomorrah.The cities did indeed exist and could indeed have been destroyed by fire and brimstone.The fault lines which run under that area could have caused underground earthquakes which could have ignited underground oil and sulpher deposits causing massive destruction.
It's all in the wording, tranlsation and when you read it, you have to keep in mind that you are reading from the point of view of people who lived several milenia ago.For example where the Bible speaks of something being "worldwide" such as the flood,it could mean a localized flood over what was the "known" world at the time.The creation in Genesis is obviously written from the point of view of a person watching upward from a formless earth as no one had been in space at the time Genesis was written. | |
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| Is there Life on other Planets?
Posted: 4/13/2006 11:33:02 AM | | Hi, I see your point but also mabye its to remain the original way its written so that we know how fast we are evolving as a species, I think its too fast.=) just a thought. | |
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| Is there Life on other Planets?
Posted: 4/13/2006 1:40:44 PM | 2a4r5i225,
In dreams its possible to have your penis grow 14 inches at the snap of the finger Dreams. Yes, anything within one's imagination is possible within the realm of a dream - but that's not what is asked or stated when someone uses the term "is this possible?" I could go to work with a boss asking me, "Did you get the reports done?" And I could say "yes", and tell the truth. When he finds that the reports that he was pertaining to are incomplete, I could say, "I didn't lie. I did them in my dreams. I also made my penis 14 inches long by snapping my fingers in my dream, too." Point is, it's a different question, you're equating the answers to be equivalent!
Say in the dark ages do you think that they thought it was impossible to fly in planes, as we do know, how do I know that say in 2000 years people will be to do that with their penis. They didn't know what a plane was. So no, I don't think they thought anything about 'planes'. However, having a chariot somehow fly? Or the concept of machines or computers? No, they didn't. We could go back in time and amaze the hell out of them with what we have -- it would be beyond their mindset.
HOWEVER, just because common opinion about something is *touted* as impossible later becomes possible, doesn't mean ANYTHING is that is viewed as impossible can become possible.
The concept of a rock being alive goes against the definition of alive. If you wish to change that definition to anything made of common elements found in a rock as being alive -- go ahead. You won't be using the same language as anyone else when it means life.
To help you out, though, there are things out there in nature that are on the fringes of the differently used definitions of life. A virus, for instance -- it's an organic chemical that replicates within a body, but can't reproduce without it. Is that really a life form? Depends on how you define "life".
I think it's pretty clear that life exists elsewhere, and intelligent life exists elsewhere (or has existed, depending on how you quantify time over such a great area). How rare is it? That, I have no idea. But considering that on comets there are amino acids, the building blocks of proteins, and that there are countless stars and planets out there, it'd be more than safe to say there is. Thinking that there isn't at least life (as the common definition goes) anywhere else besides earth is about as hasty as when Microsoft allegedly said in the 80's that "640k ought to be enough for anybody", in response to 640k of RAM memory being a basic limit on home PCs for the future. (A standard computer bought today has about 256,000k of RAM memory).
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| Is there Life on other Planets?
Posted: 4/15/2006 9:58:54 AM | | Hi, I see your point, but what about the saying one person's dream is another person's reality, and one person's thought is another person's nightmare in life=) | |
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| Is there Life on other Planets?
Posted: 4/15/2006 10:06:03 AM | Hi, as on life on other planets, I agree there, but in another plane of existance in the universe, a mere thought is capable of many things, So if one where to look at the universe
just as stars, sun, etc, what is in the universe and on other planets that we can't see, as on earth we cannot see the wind for example.=) | |
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| Is there Life on other Planets?
Posted: 4/15/2006 11:08:17 AM | 2a4r5i225,
Hi, I see your point, but what about the saying one person's dream is another person's reality, and one person's thought is another person's nightmare in life=) It says what it means. For some who can only dream for something in their life to actually happen, many times actually happens for someone else (dreams of being in the NBA, winning the nobel peace prize, etc.). I can dream to be in the NBA, but it doesn't make it reality that I am in the NBA. And one person's thought, which may be a thought to someone, may be hell to think about for another.
The imagination (dreams) is based on reality. I believe you do know the difference between dreaming that you are in the NBA, and actually being in the NBA. The word "actually" is key. Maybe we just disagree on that term. :) | |
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| Is there Life on other Planets?
Posted: 4/15/2006 1:12:57 PM | | Hi, I see your point then how would actually be defined in the matter of speaking in other terms of the universe?=) | |
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| Is there Life on other Planets?
Posted: 4/16/2006 5:18:49 PM | There's a physics idea called the anthropic principle that says our universe is a very special universe because all the variables came together to support life and that their are millions of other universes where the variables just didn't come together and are too *ucked up to support life. You have to look at our universe like a slot machine that had it's arm pulled and came up 7777- mega million dollar jackpot! Where the odds on it were a 100 millon to 1.
I have to believe looking at it scientificaly that although it's probably rare, even if it's one in a million or billion planets or moons that are capable of life. The odds are still very good life exists somehwere given how many planets and moons exist. | |
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| Is there Life on other Planets?
Posted: 4/18/2006 9:18:41 PM | Yup, the 2 guys above get it. Another take: (Biblical source--don't react, listen) Man "created" in His image="My mind" (the quantum universal intelligence) to "your mind" (the evolutionary species which INCLUDES us on Terra). We conceive, perceive a SMALL part of
ALL quantum possibilities, in ALL spacetime. It doesn't come out of our butts. It's no accident.
We didn't invent it. We work it, apply it, better it. It takes along time. We can be happy with our baby steps. As long as we take them. Our individual actions MATTER, lose no faith over that. You think Stevie Wonder stops creating dynamite feelings in his world because he can't see his fans' smiles? Of course not.
Martial Arts are cool, because with most, you NEUTRALIZE agression, turn the agressors' force into their immediate defeat. (I have a Sensei composer/guitarist pal.) My old Golden Retreiver knew how to do this (RIP). I'm talking appropriate exertion of force to stop/control/modify competitor's behavior...without physical harm. This canine was smart, but at best dogs have the intelligence of a 3-yo human (by our measurement, except we don't know what we're measuring!) He didn't get it from me. I'm practically blind, deaf & dumb by universal standards.
This friggin' universe(s?) are friggin fantastic, no matter where U C it(them) from.
More than enough reason to participate. Unlimited resources, for unlimited purposes. End of story.
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| Is there Life on other Planets?
Posted: 4/19/2006 9:04:31 PM | All the words in the bible are words that are supposedly from God, but it was a human who wrote it. Do you really think that if someone found some ancient scribe somewhere that said: "And he said to me in the form of an angel - yes there is life on other planets" that anyone in the Christian faith would be accepting of it?
Christians that are using religion as a means to explain the lack of life on other planets are only going to believe that there is life on other planets when it is so evident to them that they cannot ignore it. (And even then I'm sure some of them will).
And yes, I have always believed in alien life, even if it is nothing more then bacteria (which I highly doubt). | |
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| Is there Life on other Planets?
Posted: 4/20/2006 8:17:41 AM | God so loved the world that he gave his ONLY Son ...... so it would be imposible!!!! (to have life on other planets.)
Note the word SON there. God could have a Daughter if she wanted, or any other form of being. It is possible that life on other planets will not have the same gender definitions that we have, so god could easily have only one SON yet still have a messiah on every planet, because the messiahs on other plants were not males and so not sons.
The chances of there not being life on other planets are so incredible I just can't figure them anymore. Someone once did an essay for a math class on statistical probability, and figured out that statistically, the chances of life visiting this planet are astronomical, so much so, that is statistically likely that an alien has won the lottery by now.
Now of course I do not believe that an alien has won the lottery, the point is that statistics can manipulated and used to prove any point, even contrary points, so they just do not count as valid for the sake of arguments really.
Incidentally, how would you even begin to calculate something that you do not even know the rules off. Life could be forced to develop along the exact same lines as those on earth, or it could be comparable of devolving in any conditions as long as there is water, or it may not even need water just the right temperature, or maybe temperature is not important but pressure is, ect ect. Life may not even knead carbon to develop.
To sum up, it is impossible to say what the chances of life developing anywhere are, but I prefer to believe that life can develop anywhere.
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| Is there Life on other Planets?
Posted: 4/20/2006 9:48:05 AM | 2a4r5i225
Hi, I see your point then how would actually be defined in the matter of speaking in other terms of the universe?=)
It sounds like, come hell or high water, you want dreams = reality. "Actually" is in reference to reality. It's in context of words. "I actually was in the NBA, in my dream" ('in my dream' changing the context), vs "I was actually in the NBA." Two totally different claims. Both can be real -- but both are talking about two totally different things.
Some people with near death experiences may go on to believe that dream and reality is one in the same. If you wish to make dream = reality, then I guess you could say ANYTHING can be 'true', right? | |
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| Is there Life on other Planets?
Posted: 4/20/2006 9:55:34 AM | DowneyGuy,
You have to look at our universe like a slot machine that had it's arm pulled and came up 7777- mega million dollar jackpot! Where the odds on it were a 100 millon to 1.
And that's why people don't "buy" a natural formation of the universe, and look at life forms from the "Watchmaker" standpoint, that an intelligent being had to design it. When talking about odds or accidents, that's when non-believers (of realism) tune ya out.
However, if you get on that topic -- point out that you could be standing on a curb in NYC, and check out the license plate of a car. You had at least 3 Million-to-1 odds of seeing that license plate. Big deal, right? Every day in NYC (10 million), 10 people get million-to-one odds winning something if they all had million-to-one odds. When it comes to the universe, in a span of infinite or nearly infinite amount of universes, it isn't a big deal that one will be structured for self-sustaining order and/or life. | |
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| Is there Life on other Planets?
Posted: 4/20/2006 10:31:05 AM | I think we have been decieved by so much sci-fi television and movies into believing that aliens are just like us. We have "humanized" them. We expect they follow some prime directive of non-interference, when in all likelyhood, they are only interested in our resources or living space.
As I posted earlier, it's unlikely we'll ever meet any aliens, if they exist. Newtonian physics make intersteller travel unlikely, and no concrete method has been devised to make interstellar travel practical. Spending a subjective hundred of years round trip to the nearest star system isn't appealing. | |
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