Which was, goverment waste. If you're going to gripe about waste, make sure it swings both ways.

You may want to fly those expensive turds, but the actual pilots are refusing to fly them because they tend to asphixiate the pilot, along with other flaws.

Obama crackdown on oil speculators is 100% BS...
...I am one of those oil traders, I'm one of those a-holes, that's me :) I take risk with my money to make a few dollars and you benefit by not having large price swings in gas prices.

Besides the money spent was supposed to create jobs. Solyndra employed 1100 people. This shows why government can't create money making jobs. spending over half a billion to create 1100 jobs is not very cost effective.

Speculation does effect the price of oil traded on the commodities exchange. But most of the oil we consume is not bought or sold on any commodities exchange. When oil companies price gasoline according to the price on the commodities exchange that is price fixing.

I see the modern global economy escapes you....Facebook has about 1000 employees and they are supposedly worth $100 Billion according to our venerable banks and investors.

A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circlue of our felicities.
Thomas Jefferson

It was not something the government tried to force onto the market.

Thank you for proving my point about government can't make money making jobs. That is up to the free market and the people willing to risk money.

Like it or not the government was not formed to take care of every need of everyone. It was created to give each person a chance to be the best they can be.

It all boils down to personal responsibility. I have done pretty good, others have done better and some haven't done so well.

Indeed, unlike oil companies, cable companies, telephone companies, natural gas companies, farms....the list is pretty long on types of companies that government assistance and subsidies on a regular basis. The reason Facebook does not need assistance is because they don't provide services that are necessary to society.

I don't think government should make money making jobs. I think they can be the last option when the economy is going badly, or new technology that provide services everyone uses need to move up. But I guess you hated the fact that Bush started the program you so despise.

By your logic, gainful employment is a good place to start, wouldn't you say?

Well, whatever....we'll just have to take your word for it, but that's not such a big accomplishment considering you most likely got education and other services provided by the government (whether you know it or not). I'd be more impressed if you were born in the wastelands of Afghanistan and still got to where you are now...which you probably wouldn't have.

Yes I took the same education that is provided to everyone and used it to my benefit. Again personal responsibility.

I noticed you ignored the quote from Thomas Jefferson. It is hard to argue points for socialism when the founding fathers was so against it.

So then according to you, Bush spent 7 times as much as obama, and on what? And what was obama trying to undo, that Bush spent seven times as much as obama did............... HUH?

You do know that the national debt increased more in obama's first three years than all 8 of bushs'.................

Where were you when Reagan was running up a huge defense tab? Or Bush, who has spent 7 times as much as Obama has just trying to undo what Bush did?

From NPR via the Weekly Standard:

In his State of the Union address tonight, President Obama will reportedly issue a call for “responsible” efforts to reduce deficits (while simultaneously calling for new federal spending). In light of the President’s expected rhetorical nod to fiscal responsibility, it’s worth keeping in mind his record on deficits to date. When President Obama took office two years ago, the national debt stood at $10.626 trillion. It now stands at $14.071 trillion — a staggering increase of $3.445 trillion in just 735 days (about $5 billion a day).

To put that into perspective, when President George W. Bush took office, our national debt was $5.768 trillion. By the time Bush left office, it had nearly doubled, to $10.626 trillion. So Bush’s record on deficit spending was not good at all: During his presidency, the national debt rose by an average of $607 billion a year. How does that compare to Obama? During Obama’s presidency to date, the national debt has risen by an average of $1.723 trillion a year — or by a jaw-dropping $1.116 trillion more, per year, than it rose even under Bush.

“I will be held accountable,” Obama said. “I’ve got four years and … A year form now, I think people are going to see that we’re starting to make some progress, but there’s still going to be some pain out there … If I don’t have this done in three years, then there’s going to be a one-term proposition.”

While Bush spent a lot of money much of it was to keep us safe....

You might think the wars were unnecessary, I think they were very necessary.

So it is very disingenuous for him and his followers to still try and hang this economy on Bush...

Going to war with a country for no reason kept us safe?

Did Obama double the national debt like Bush did? Did congress change their spending habits? Nope, they kept it exactly the same because they refused to deal with Obama. Did Obama cause all of the unemployment that gets paid out of the budget? Nope.

Fact is, his spending is to keep what congress has already started and refuse to cut whatsoever. He didn't put the stuff on the budget, Bush did, and congress refuses to cut it....well, they only want to cut what they want to cut, so they are deadlocked.

Bush started with a surplus and left the economy is the shitter, Obama has turned around the job loss, cut spending and even tried to get some of that tax money back that bush gave away while he was ****ing the economy and if he could do that there would be even more money ~300 billion a year more than then could be used to create more jobs and heling even more.

So I can only assume that you are all for the tax cuts to expire, or do you believe in socialism for the top 2%?

We went to war to stop the terrorist's from attacking us. we went where they were...

What are they putting in y'alls kool aid must be some good stuff to make believe that crap.

I will take you inability to refute my statement as your inability to refute my statement and I will leave it at that, as it is clear you are either just a troll or you really are that misinformed.

Bush started with a surplus and left the economy is the shitter,

Obama has turned around the job loss,

On the first Friday of every month, I update the unemployment numbers so that I can compare the unemployment rate under President George W. Bush with the unemployment rate under President Obama at that time. The genesis of this ritual began when I felt compelled to respond to some left-leaning sites that were comparing Obama’s first two years and four months in office with Bush’s last and worst economic year (the above chart shows the most recent incarnation of this narrative).


In January, the private sector added a robust 257,000 jobs in the twenty-third consecutive month of private sector job growth. This development is very positive news. The country also had a net employment gain of 243,000 total jobs (private and public). More importantly, 243,000 exceeds the 125,000 jobs needed each month just to keep pace with the growth of the working-age population, which is also very encouraging news.

More importantly, January 2012 is the first month in which the overall number of jobs lost during the Obama administration is lower than the number lost during the Bush administration. That said, the unemployment rate is still about a percentage point worse today than it was during President Bush’s last full month in office.

The seasonally adjusted unemployment rate declined from 8.5% to 8.3% — the second lowest month of unemployment during the Obama presidency. This number remains 1.0 percentage points worse than President Bush’s last full month in office in December 2008. It also marks 36 consecutive months in which the unemployment rate has been 8% or higher in the 37th month of the Obama presidency.

cut spending and even tried to get some of that tax money back that bush gave away

From NPR via the Weekly Standard:

In his State of the Union address tonight, President Obama will reportedly issue a call for “responsible” efforts to reduce deficits (while simultaneously calling for new federal spending). In light of the President’s expected rhetorical nod to fiscal responsibility, it’s worth keeping in mind his record on deficits to date. When President Obama took office two years ago, the national debt stood at $10.626 trillion. It now stands at $14.071 trillion — a staggering increase of $3.445 trillion in just 735 days (about $5 billion a day).

To put that into perspective, when President George W. Bush took office, our national debt was $5.768 trillion. By the time Bush left office, it had nearly doubled, to $10.626 trillion. So Bush’s record on deficit spending was not good at all: During his presidency, the national debt rose by an average of $607 billion a year. How does that compare to Obama? During Obama’s presidency to date, the national debt has risen by an average of $1.723 trillion a year — or by a jaw-dropping $1.116 trillion more, per year, than it rose even under Bush.

In the end guys, why not come clean and admit, you just hate Obama.

The map above from API shows gasoline taxes by state (combined local, state and federal), which range from a low of 26.4 cents per gallon in Alaska to a high of of 66.1 cents per gallon in California, averaging 48.1 cents per gallon across all states. How does that compare to oil company industry profits per gallon?
According to this post on Exxon Mobil’s Perspective Blog , “For every gallon of gasoline, diesel or finished products we manufactured and sold in the United States in the last three months of 2010, we earned a little more than 2 cents per gallon. That’s not a typo. Two cents.”