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^^^Read it again, and you'll find your snafu is also mine. Like I said, if you were right the first time, then my comments to you would have made sense....obviously not a lie, if I took you at your word. But don't worry, I won't hold it against you. ;)
So then you admit my facts are sound yet you try and call me out on a mistake of inverting the words state and federal.
Nice.
I guess when you can't win on the points of debate a hallow victory that shows we all are human is better than nothing. | |
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| are the gas prices killing you yet Posted: 6/11/2012 10:13:54 PM |
So then you admit my facts are sound yet you try and call me out on a mistake of inverting the words state and federal.
I obviously saw you admitting to the inversion AFTER I made my comment by the gas price going down because of Obama, which was also a snark, because I ALREADY know gas taxes had not changed. You screwed up first, and that's that.
I guess when you can't win on the points of debate a hallow victory that shows we all are human is better than nothing.
Oh, the irony, it buuuuuuuuuuuurns. Nothing I say will ever mean a thing to you, so I guess I'll just drop out here.....have fun. | |
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| are the gas prices killing you yet Posted: 6/11/2012 10:33:36 PM | Oh, the irony, it buuuuuuuuuuuurns. Nothing I say will ever mean a thing to you, so I guess I'll just drop out here.....have fun.
Actually I have agreed with you on one thread I forget which one.
Don't drop out if you have debate points lets hear them just don't be addled when they are rebutted.
I obviously saw you admitting to the inversion AFTER I made my comment by the gas price going down because of Obama, which was also a snark, because I ALREADY know gas taxes had not changed. You screwed up first, and that's that.
I admitted it when I saw the error. what does it matter whom made a mistake first? Are we in grade school? | |
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| are the gas prices killing you yet Posted: 6/12/2012 5:15:40 AM | Gas prices are fixed. It doesn't matter which puppet you elect to the White House.
The "official" price for oil and gasoline is set on the commodities exchange. Most of the oil we use is never traded on the commodities exchange.
Shell, Exxon, BP and other large oil companies are multi-national, vertically-organized entities. They do not need a commodities broker to transfer oil from an oil field in Nigeria to a refinery in the United States. Or to deliver gasoline from the refinery to the gas station. They own all of this infrastructure.
Each oil company is a separate entity, producing its own oil for its own market. There is no valid reason that oil companies could agree to one world price. This is collusion. | |
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| are the gas prices killing you yet Posted: 6/12/2012 5:33:32 AM | | funny to see liberals argue the gas prices are going down because of obama and then on the other hand say that the President has no control over gas prices... either way gas prices are still way too high about twice is high as when he took office | |
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| are the gas prices killing you yet Posted: 6/12/2012 10:10:49 AM | ^^^Let me fix that for ya'.
funny to see conservatives argue the gas prices are going up because of obama and then on the other hand say that the President has no control over gas prices... either way oil prices have not yet reached the levels it did during Bush's presidency. | |
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| are the gas prices killing you yet Posted: 6/12/2012 10:41:02 AM | | maybe..but they have stayed high for pretty much all of Obamas term....they were $1.80 or so per gallon when Obama took office.... the major difference between Bush and Obama is that Obama wants high gas prices....Green agenda more important than citizen welfare | |
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| are the gas prices killing you yet Posted: 6/12/2012 10:55:19 AM |
the major difference between Bush and Obama is that Obama wants high gas prices....Green agenda more important than citizen welfare
As Obama himself has said, anyone who thinks a Presidents want high gas prices (thereby hurting their chances of being reelected) is not thinking straight. But you go on ahead with your twisted logic....Aristotle was right, there is no possibility of getting around that big block....I'm out. Have fun! | |
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| are the gas prices killing you yet Posted: 6/12/2012 10:56:33 AM |
the major difference between Bush and Obama is that Obama wants high gas prices....Green agenda more important than citizen welfare If you do not understand that a green agenda is for just that, citizens welfare, then you clearly do not understand anything other than what they tell you to think on cable tv.
Unless you can show a direct correlation between the cost of gas at the pumps and any clean energy policies that have been created in the past 3 years. | |
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| are the gas prices killing you yet Posted: 6/12/2012 11:52:57 AM |
If you do not understand that a green agenda is for just that, citizens welfare, then you clearly do not understand anything other than what they tell you to think on cable tv.
The agenda would not need to be there if the market could use "green energy" it would just be a part of the market.
I looked at solar panels for my 500 sq ft home......The cost $40.000,00 my electric bill is around $125.00 a month.
It would take me 320 months just to break even on the investment. That is 26.67 years. Now factor in the cost of replacing batteries and solar panels as needed and it is just not feasible.
In other words it will cost more to use the "free" solar energy.
Unless you can show a direct correlation between the cost of gas at the pumps and any clean energy policies that have been created in the past 3 years.
No problem when gas went to $4.00 Bush lifted the moratorium on drilling gas prices started to fall all the way to $1.84 a gallon.
Then obozo put the moratorium back and gas prices went up and has stayed up ever since.
Like it or not the blame for the high gas prices are obozos.
He said he wanted high energy prices and he got them. | |
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| are the gas prices killing you yet Posted: 6/12/2012 1:05:23 PM | Here we are 3 pages later at the plenty of lies thread!
Please quote source, time and date where Obama said he wanted "high energy prices...LIAR!
I already dispelled your claim of 40K for solar panels, I checked and found several outfits that would do such a job for 20-22K. You also fail to take into account tax abatements, and rebates, in your 320 months again LIAR!
Your own source and I quoted from it 2 pages ago, said there is "ONLY" one small moratorium in place...still LIAR!
It would be funny if you had one fact. In a battle of wits, you are totally disarmed! | |
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| are the gas prices killing you yet Posted: 6/12/2012 1:12:18 PM |
It would take me 320 months just to break even on the investment. That is 26.67 years. Now factor in the cost of replacing batteries and solar panels as needed and it is just not feasible.
In other words it will cost more to use the "free" solar energy. and if you actually understood that it is that way because the oil and coal companies get massive subsidies and the solar industry gets a pittance in comparison then you would understand why that is the case.
So the government should be investing in future technologies to help create infrastructure and development and then you would see the cost go down, but for some reason there seems to be this movement that only wants to give breaks to industries that are already making billions and not move forward.
But hey if you like big corporations being able to monopolize the market with old tech and screw you over at the pumps that is your right, but just make sure that you are heavily invested on oil and coal because if you think you will get a break at the pumps because of who is in office you really do not understand how the market works. | |
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| are the gas prices killing you yet Posted: 6/12/2012 1:16:36 PM | Please quote source, time and date where Obama said he wanted "high energy prices...LIAR!
How about a video of him saying it! Now who is the LIAR?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ma1gwZYw1cY
In another clip from the same January 2008 interview with the San Francisco Chronicle in which Barack Obama promised to bankrupt anyone foolish enough to build coal-burning power plants, he also made an interesting admission about his entire energy plan. Obama told the editors that his policies would make energy prices “skyrocket” as the energy industry passed along the exorbitant costs of his cap-and-trade policy:
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/11/02/obama-ill-make-energy-prices-skyrocket/
I already dispelled your claim of 40K for solar panels, I checked and found several outfits that would do such a job for 20-22K. You also fail to take into account tax abatements, and rebates, in your 320 months again LIAR!
Look into the quality of the lower priced units they will not only not do the job but will not last making the cost even more.
As I said I did the home work on this I went to a solar installers and got the truth from them the lower cost systems are crap.
You my friend are just frustrated because you see the end of the anointed one coming!
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and if you actually understood that it is that way because the oil and coal companies get massive subsidies and the solar industry gets a pittance in comparison then you would understand why that is the case.
I have already shown that the subsidies the oil companies get is from the collection of taxes for the government that are more than the oil companies profits three times over.
Get real.
So the government should be investing in future technologies to help create infrastructure and development and then you would see the cost go down, but for some reason there seems to be this movement that only wants to give breaks to industries that are already making billions and not move forward.
I disagree the free market should be doing research and development for the future energy supplies that way we don't waste billions of tax payers dollars on companies like Solyndra.
But hey if you like big corporations being able to monopolize the market with old tech and screw you over at the pumps that is your right, but just make sure that you are heavily invested on oil and coal because if you think you will get a break at the pumps because of who is in office you really do not understand how the market works.
We will see come January when Mr. Romney takes office.
If the Governor of Wisconsin can make such a difference with sound policies in 18 months within that state. I can't wait to see what a POTUS can do with sound policies. | |
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