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| Billions and our military in Iraq, but no help for New Orleans
Posted: 9/2/2005 6:51:00 PM | The disenfranchised now have an "agenda" too, huh? I guess anyone who isn't a right wing extremist living nicely has an agenda, huh?
You make quite a few assumptions about anyone with a differing viewpoint from your own...I am about as “center of the road” as you can possibly be, I have voted Democrat, Republican and Independent...I base my politics on campaign agenda, and the candidate that best represents my interests...It just seems to me that you have taken this opportunity to spew your “leftist” anti-Bush rhetoric...Comparing US foreign policy to a natural catastrophe is moronic, and the same as comparing apples to oranges...
My sister is correct when she says that the right wingnuts in this country want these people dead because they're poor. If most of them had been white instead of black, federal help would've arrived Monday night.
Anyone subscribing to that line of thought is completely asinine...The hurricane itself was the smaller of the New Orleans catastrophes. It was not until Tuesday that flooding escalated the cities problems into a national emergency...As far as giving you an explanation of why it takes some time to mount the logistics of relief/ mob the National Guard, I refer you to my previous post... | |
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| Billions and our military in Iraq, but no help for New Orleans
Posted: 9/2/2005 7:18:55 PM | very true, the Usa government is only concerned with the war machine
all the money is spent and thats y the poverty levels are so high in the USA, its so bad
It's the dirty little secret American right wingers like to keep. Right wing extremists are experts in increasing the ranks of the homelessness, the poor, the indigent, the working poor. Under right wing extremist administrations (whether by right wing extremist president or by complete right wing extremist control of the Congress, or both, like right now), the economy turns to sh*t for everyone from the middle class on down.
The Republicans are the farmers that purvey for the rich, the goose that lays the golden eggs. This wealth comes from the taxes paid by the middle class and working poor. It also comes from laws passed by the right wing extremists that permit near-slave wages, no job security, no safety net, and so many more laws that benefit the rich, and savagely hurt the poor.
Under right wing extremist administrations, the homeless get bussed to the outer limits of cities, so people from outside the U.S. don't get to see the rampant homelessness in the U.S. Under right wing extremist administrations, the little welfare there is, gets reduced to almost nothing. Under right wing extremist administrations, the taxes paid get reduced to almost nothing for the rich, and almost never get reduced for the poor and middle class.
This week, however, America's little dirty secret, that third world nation hidden behind the gigantic homes of the rich, just got exposed. The racism of the right wing extremists also got exposed. It's no longer just the right wing extremists eliminating affirmative action. The intentional deaths in New Orleans will haunt the right wing extremists for years to come. | |
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| Billions and our military in Iraq, but no help for New Orleans
Posted: 9/5/2005 4:25:54 AM |
A pity it takes something like this, on such a large scale, to show how big a FUBAR this administration really is. When will the public wake up?
Bring the troops home to take care of Katrina victims for God's sake!
Toonsmith
The US was very concerned with helping out the people affected becaause of the tsunami, and when we could use some help, no one in the world cares enough to send aid of any kind.
Despite our warmongering administration, i really thought that we had more allies than enemies.
As a service member, the troops should be used to protect US citizens first, not foreign oil. | |
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| Billions and our military in Iraq, but no help for New Orleans
Posted: 9/5/2005 5:56:56 AM |
and when we could use some help, no one in the world cares enough to send aid of any kind.
I am not quite sure of which situation you are referring to there.
If you mean Katrina, aid offers are pouring in from everywhere - from governments and individuals alike - worldwide.. | |
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| Billions and our military in Iraq, but no help for New Orleans
Posted: 9/5/2005 7:55:06 AM | yakostavin...ur post 30
"US was concerned to help out in the tsunami"
Those people have offered you help back.
Further....the UK,EU,OZ,Japan were helping in the tsunami b4 the USA made an appearence about a week later.
The AID agencies say that all the other nations have paid up the full amounts of pledged aid but the uSA has not.
The USA also gives annual billion dollar aid packages to dictaters as normal....have they offered anything.....??? | |
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| Billions and our military in Iraq, but no help for New Orleans
Posted: 9/5/2005 9:21:02 AM | Many of the troops that are in Louisiana right now are soldiers who have recently returned from Iraq. They are very adept in determining the difference between the people who are causing the problems and the ones who just want help.
While I will agree that the original plans fell through and in some cases the ball was even dropped by some, the important thing now is to save the ones who can be saved. Later we can figure out who dropped the ball.
I do support the opinions of people who want to figure out why the plans didn't work and what happened to any back-up plans if they even existed. Please don't let those thoughts pass from your minds. We will need to focus on that in the near future.
Thank good for forums; we can really see that there are people here who want to do what they can to rectify this current problem as well as make sure this kind of thing doesn’t happen again. I believe this is all part of humanitarianism.
Peace and keep the faith, let us not forget these moments for a long time to come.
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| Billions and our military in Iraq, but no help for New Orleans
Posted: 9/5/2005 10:33:41 AM | Tens of thousands dead under their attics, drowned, because no help came Monday nite, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, or even Saturday morning. The rescue folks already said they will not be able to save everyone who is still alive under the attics of apartment buildings and houses; they don't have enough personnel. (I guess they're in Iraq, fighting a war of Bush's invention for his own enrichment and that of his oil pals).
The rescuers who are landing on roofs, are sick emotionally and mentally from what they're seeing. Some don't know how they're going to continue. They break a roof, enter and find cadavers rotting. Where they find people alive, the people are deathly ill. Those who are deathly ill cannot be moved and will be left to die. The ones that are ill and can be moved, are being moved. Since they cannot go to every roof, there are many right now who are still alive but will die.
There are no longer words to describe what Bush has been allowed to happen here. | |
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| Billions and our military in Iraq, but no help for New Orleans
Posted: 9/5/2005 1:07:07 PM | | What's the use in having a mayor and a govorner if they can't co ordinate a back up plan for a city that has the potential to flood. Not a day before it happens. This needed to be done on a rountine basis. Surely this was on their minds constantly. | |
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| Billions and our military in Iraq, but no help for New Orleans
Posted: 9/5/2005 1:52:45 PM | Saritamiami:
I can't tell you how much I agree you! Thanks! You are so damn right, the fat cat Republicans are the ones benefiting from the misery of the middle and lower class in this country. The common everyday Republicans don't understand, but the fat cats are standing on their backs! We are the goose that laid, and is continuing to lay. the golden egg, and the fat cats are stealing them.
We are in danger of allowing the oligarchy of the robber, looters and plunderers of big business to completely take over this country. The neocons with their Project for a New American Century (everyone, if you don't know about it please find out! just search "PNAC"), and the neoliberals have quietly eroded much of what has been achieved.
Fear, reduced hope in the face of Polly Anna optimism from officials, lack of employment, lack of education, distractions designed to hide the truth, are all tools they use to advance their plans.
Thanks, Saritamiami! | |
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| Billions and our military in Iraq, but no help for New Orleans
Posted: 9/5/2005 2:01:29 PM | Poll: Bush Not Taking Brunt of Katrina Criticism
Sept. 4, 2005 — Americans are broadly critical of government preparedness in the Hurricane Katrina disaster — but far fewer take George W. Bush personally to task for the problems, and public anger about the response is less widespread than some critics would suggest.
In an event that clearly has gripped the nation — 91 percent of Americans are paying close attention — hopefulness far outweighs discontent about the slow-starting rescue. And as in so many politically charged issues in this country, partisanship holds great sway in views of the president's performance.
The most critical views cross jurisdictions: Two-thirds in this ABC News/Washington Post poll say the federal government should have been better prepared to deal with a storm this size, and three-quarters say state and local governments in the affected areas likewise were insufficiently prepared.
Poll Figures: http://abcnews.go.com/US/HurricaneKatrina/story?id=1094262&page=1
Most Americans, 55 percent, also say Bush does not deserve a significant level of personal blame for problems in the federal response to the crisis. And while 44 percent do assign him blame, only about half of them, 23 percent overall, blame him "a great deal."
Some of these views seem to take into account the magnitude of the natural disaster: Forty-four percent say the situation shows serious problems in the federal government's emergency preparedness overall, but more, 54 percent, instead say that this particular disaster was a special case. Republicans, in particular, take the latter position. | |
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| Billions and our military in Iraq, but no help for New Orleans
Posted: 9/5/2005 2:40:50 PM | More co operation amongst various levels????
Red Tape Stops Doctors
In New Orleans
Relief Efforts
PicayuneItem.com
9-5-5
BATON ROUGE, La. - Volunteer physicians are pouring in to care for the sick, but red tape is keeping hundreds of others from caring for Hurricane Katrina survivors even as health officials worry about potential outbreaks.
Among the doctors stymied from helping out are 100 surgeons and paramedics in a state-of-the-art mobile hospital marooned in rural Mississippi.
"We have tried so hard to do the right thing. It took us 30 hours to get here," said one of the frustrated surgeons, Dr. Preston "Chip" Rich of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. That government officials can't straighten out the mess and get them assigned to a relief effort now that they're just a few miles away "is just mind-boggling," he said in a phone interview.
While the North Carolina doctors waited Sunday, the first predictable signs of disease from contaminated water emerged on Saturday: A Mississippi shelter was closed after 20 residents got sick with dysentery, probably from drinking contaminated water.
However, the country's leading health official told The Associated Press in an interview at a triage center Sunday that her biggest concerns are tetanus and childhood diseases.
"Tetanus is something we'd be especially concerned about," said Dr. Julie Gerberding, head of the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Tetanus lives in soil and can enter the body easily through a scratch, and many flood survivors have endured filthy conditions.
Gerberding also urged health care workers in the growing multitude of refugee shelters to try to find out a child's shot history and, "If you can't establish that a child has been vaccinated, then vaccinate. We can't take chances."
Diseases such as measles and whooping cough could rapidly spread in the cramped quarters, thousands of flood victims are now sharing.
So far, there have been relatively few cases of diarrhea and infections, Gerberding said, but "we're early in the process."
The CDC chief, who traveled to Louisiana with Health and Human Services Secretary Michael Leavitt, Surgeon General Dr. Richard Carmona and other top health officials, spoke with the AP after visiting an impressive triage center on the basketball court at Pete Marovich Center at Louisiana State University.
Next door in Mississippi, the North Carolina mobile hospital waiting to help also offered impressive state-of-the-art medical care. It was developed with millions of tax dollars through the Office of Homeland Security after 9-11. With capacity for 113 beds, it is designed to handle disasters and mass casualties.
Equipment includes ultrasound, digital radiology, satellite Internet, and a full pharmacy, enabling doctors to do most types of surgery in the field, including open-chest and abdominal operations.
It travels in a convoy that includes two 53-foot trailers, which on Sunday afternoon was parked on a gravel lot 70 miles north of New Orleans because Louisiana officials for several days would not let them deploy to the flooded city, Rich said.
Yet plans to use the facility and its 100 health professionals were hatched days before Hurricane Katrina devastated the Gulf Coast, doctors in the caravan said.
Other doctors also complained that their offers of help were turned away. A primary care physician from Ohio called and e-mailed the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services after seeing a notice on the American Medical Association's Web site about volunteer doctors being needed.
An e-mail reply told him to watch CNN that night where HHS Secretary Leavitt was to announce a Web address for doctors to enter their names in a database.
"How crazy is that?" he complained in an e-mail to his daughter.
Dr. Jeffrey Guy, a trauma surgeon at Vanderbilt University who has been in contact with the mobile hospital doctors, told The Associated Press in a telephone interview, "There are entire hospitals that are contacting me, saying, 'We need to take on patients,'" but they can't get through the bureaucracy.
"The crime of this story is, you've got millions of dollars in assets and it's not deployed," he said. "We mount a better response in a Third World country."
Dr. Bill Winkenwerder, assistant secretary of health affairs for the Defense Department, acknowledged there were problems and said it's a priority "to get the medical community at work and up and operating as soon as possible."
Many other doctors have been able to volunteer, and were arriving in large numbers Sunday in Baton Rouge. Several said they worked it out through Louisiana state officials.
On the Net:
Mobile hospital: http://www.carolinasmed-1.org/index.cfm
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| Billions and our military in Iraq, but no help for New Orleans
Posted: 9/5/2005 2:51:06 PM |
The head of DHS, Chertoff should be fired, immeditaley. Hit the road pal.
Why? The Director of Homeland Security takes care of Homeland Security, Homeland Security works in support of FEMA and Emergency Organizations, not the main head of US Emergency Services by individual State. Each State has been funded by the Federal Government from Homeland Security to have plans and contingencies. | |
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| Billions and our military in Iraq, but no help for New Orleans
Posted: 9/5/2005 3:56:21 PM | I fail to understand how one man (the president) can be blamed for this disaster. There are many levels of government, and it appears that they did nothing either, no plan, no action afterward.
the presidency has already stated that the results are unacceptable and are doing everything they can. | |
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| Billions and our military in Iraq, but no help for New Orleans
Posted: 9/5/2005 4:25:22 PM | Buzweaver wrote,
Why? The Director of Homeland Security takes care of Homeland Security, Homeland Security works in support of FEMA and Emergency Organizations, not the main head of US Emergency Services by individual State. Each State has been funded by the Federal Government from Homeland Security to have plans and contingencies.
No Buz, you're mistaken. Here's why:
http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/theme_home2.jsp
Preparing America
In the event of a terrorist attack, natural disaster or other large-scale emergency, the Department of Homeland Security will assume primary responsibility on March 1st for ensuring that emergency response professionals are prepared for any situation.[ This will entail providing a coordinated, comprehensive federal response to any large-scale crisis and mounting a swift and effective recovery effort. The new Department will also prioritize the important issue of citizen preparedness. Educating America's families on how best to prepare their homes for a disaster and tips for citizens on how to respond in a crisis will be given special attention at DH
The more you read and the more you listen to locals, the more you realize the Feds have not done the job they are paid to do.
It is time someone in charge(Chertoff) assumed primary responsibility and resigns or in lieu of that is fired. | |
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| Billions and our military in Iraq, but no help for New Orleans
Posted: 9/5/2005 4:35:59 PM |
No Buz, you're mistaken. Here's why:
http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/theme_home2.jsp
Preparing America
In the event of a terrorist attack, natural disaster or other large-scale emergency, the Department of Homeland Security will {b}assume primary responsibility on March 1st for ensuring that emergency response professionals are prepared for any situation. This will entail providing a coordinated, comprehensive federal response to any large-scale crisis and mounting a swift and effective recovery effort. The new Department will also prioritize the important issue of citizen preparedness. Educating America's families on how best to prepare their homes for a disaster and tips for citizens on how to respond in a crisis will be given special attention at DH
The more you read and the more you listen to locals, the more you realize the Feds have not done the job they are paid to do.
I understand people are frustrated, angry, confused and unsure of what is going on, however there is a chain of command. In the Chain of command FEMA and The Emergency Agencies are the first responders, and then Homeland Security comes not the other way around. Firing anyone at this point isn’t going to solve the problems, at least not at this point. | |
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| Billions and our military in Iraq, but no help for New Orleans
Posted: 9/5/2005 4:39:40 PM | I fail to understand how one man (the president) can be blamed for this disaster. There are many levels of government, and it appears that they did nothing either, no plan, no action afterward.
the presidency has already stated that the results are unacceptable and are doing everything they can.
So basically the role of the president is to take responsibility for...... nothing. Everyone else is to blame. He's just immune. Lookin' purty. Like the queen of England. Collecting a salary for nothing. Presidents are supposed to be leaders. They're supposed to LEAD. They're not supposed to spend their time on vacation, scratching their ass, smirking, doing nothing and blaming everyone else when things go wrong.
I don't buy it. Sell it elsewhere. | |
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| Billions and our military in Iraq, but no help for New Orleans
Posted: 9/5/2005 4:42:53 PM |
What's the use in having a mayor and a govorner
You need to keep up. The mayor and governor used all their resources. They had no more left to give. They asked for help and your beloved idiot in the White House took 5 days to lead get FEMA or anyone else to do anything.
Ah but yes, he was on vacation until the day after the hurricane hit. A president *must* take as much vacation as humanly possible. | |
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| Billions and our military in Iraq, but no help for New Orleans
Posted: 9/5/2005 4:49:35 PM | | Firing someone is a punitive action. Firing someone insures that this person will not have the opportunity to screw anything up again, at least not for DHS. This is to punish someone who has by gross inaction, malfeasance or criminal disregard not performed the duties to which they are assigned. Maybe you should go read the DHS website, Buz. I spent 5 hours last night reading and rereading all the various garbled information on their site. Carefully reread the statement I posted. FEMA is now merely one division of DHS, who assumes primary responsibility..... DHS is the oversight agency for all the various levels of emergency responders at all levels of government and maintains "jurisdiction" for lack of a better word over the coordination of all those under it's octopus-like umbrella. Chertoff is the head honcho, the buck stops there and his head should be the one that rolls(figuratively of course). Go ahead make alibis for the guy, it only strengthens the case against him. We know if he were a Democrat, he would have already been hung out to dry. Being that he is a integral member of the neocon crony system he will be supported and excused by all those who are more loyal to a party than to a nation. | |
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| Billions and our military in Iraq, but no help for New Orleans
Posted: 9/5/2005 4:51:15 PM |
So basically the role of the president is to take responsibility for...... nothing. Everyone else is to blame. He's just immune. Lookin' purty. Like the queen of England. Collecting a salary for nothing. Presidents are supposed to be leaders. They're supposed to LEAD. They're not supposed to spend their time on vacation, scratching their ass, smirking, doing nothing and blaming everyone else when things go wrong.
I don't buy it. Sell it elsewhere.
The President is the Commander and Chief, he over sees the branches of the Government. These branches of Government are assigned by him or elected to perform certain jobs. The President himself doesn’t do these jobs, this is why he has various people in these positions. He depends on this people to do their jobs, when these people don’t do their jobs it’s not the Presidents fault. This should be common sense. | |
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| Billions and our military in Iraq, but no help for New Orleans
Posted: 9/5/2005 4:52:30 PM |
Firing someone is a punitive action. Firing someone inusres that this person will not have the opportunity to screw anything up again, at least not for DHS. This is to punish someone who has by gross inaction, malfeasance or criminal disregard not performed the duties to which they are assigned. Maybe you should go read the DHS website, Buz. I spent 5 hours last night reading and rereading all the various garbled information on their site. Carefully reread the statement I posted. FEMA is now merely one division of DHS, who is the primary agency. DHS is the oversight agency for all the various levels of emergency responders at all levels of government and maintains "jurisdiction" for lack of a better word over the coordination of all those under it's octopus-like umbrella. Chertoff is the head honcho, the buck stops there and his head should be the one that rolls(figuratively of course). Go ahead make alibis for the guy, it only strengthens the case against him. We know if he were a Democrat, he would have already been hung out to dry. Being that he is a integral member of the neocon crony system he will be supported and excused by all those who are more loyal to a party than to a nation.
Read what I just posted above, the chain of command works the same way. | |
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| Billions and our military in Iraq, but no help for New Orleans
Posted: 9/5/2005 4:54:04 PM |
The President himself doesn’t do these jobs, this is why he has various people in these positions. He depends on this people to do their jobs, when these people don’t do their jobs it’s not the Presidents fault. This should be common sense.
I see. He cannot order a rescue to begin and how fast, and which agencies, but he can order a war to start, how much of it, where, when, how, etc. | |
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