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 Montreal_Guy

Joined: 3/8/2004
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Posted: 9/6/2005 7:42:51 AM
Interesting.

A wardrobe malfunction occurs during the Superbowl, and Senate Commitees are formed overnight.

A President's land dealings are good enough for sustained scrutiny - even when nothing is found to be wrong. An investigation on that, and private sexual matters, starts when Clinton puts his hand on the Bible during the swearing in - and ends eight years later.

Republican pundits ( Rush Limbaugh, G. Gordon Liddy, et all) become overnight media stars by spending years spinning every negative thought they can find on Democrats and the President.

A President's affair with a White House intern is cause for a full court rush for months of Republican glee.

Perhaps 10,000 Americans die, a couple of hundred thousand are trapped like rats in a sinking ship , and left for days without aid - and it's " jumping the gun now and acting like a bull in a china cabinet."

 beachcomberb

Joined: 11/16/2004
Msg: 77
Billions and our military in Iraq, but no help for New Orleans
Posted: 9/6/2005 8:23:22 AM
Believe it or not Buz, I have been a leader before. I an familiar with management methodolgy, and I understand the concept of assuming responsibility for one's actions. I understand why you are excusing your lovely fearless leader. I don't understand:
I addressed the chain of command which evolves Chertoff.
Evolved?

Like a good neocon toady you refuse to address any of the valid points made by anyone that is not blind to that Satanic Straussian creation that is the Bush administration. You have failed to acknowledge that you were mistaken re: DHS and FEMA. You have refused to acknowledge the overwhelming evidence that Chertoff choked under pressure. You disregard valid reasoning with cliche and innuendo and all this because you are more loyal to your party than your country.
 foxefire

Joined: 2/23/2005
Msg: 78
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Billions and our military in Iraq, but no help for New Orleans
Posted: 9/6/2005 8:41:06 AM
N.O. had the highest crime rate in the United States (probably the world for that matter). Even the police they employed were criminal. Nagin shouldn't have been a dog catcher let alone a mayor. His incompetence during this storm proves it.
 beachcomberb

Joined: 11/16/2004
Msg: 79
Billions and our military in Iraq, but no help for New Orleans
Posted: 9/6/2005 9:50:33 AM
Helllooooo!Foxe! Read the thread title. Assigning blame to Nagin for the lack of aid in the aftermath of Katrina, is like blaming enlisted men for the Abu Gharaib scandal. (Ooops they did do that didn't they?)
 irishmary

Joined: 6/8/2005
Msg: 80
Billions and our military in Iraq, but no help for New Orleans
Posted: 9/6/2005 9:55:40 AM
Loves...answering the topic...theres plenty of military and billions pouring into New Orleans.
Going on the crime stats for the place...you need to keep the military there as well.

Foxey...I agree with you about Nagin.He is responsible for the shambles more than Bush
 foxefire

Joined: 2/23/2005
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Posted: 9/6/2005 10:29:55 AM
Thanks irishmary,
If Nagin had been in control of the situation days prior we wouldn't be talking so much about the aftermath.
 lola05

Joined: 7/1/2005
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Posted: 9/6/2005 10:55:11 AM

Many of the Dead Never to Be Identified
By TIM DAHLBERG, AP ONLINE

NEW ORLEANS (AP) - They died on flooded city streets in the Big Easy and in country
homes in Mississippi. One survived seven months of combat in Iraq only to die near his boyhood home. An 80-year-old woman died sitting in a bedroom chair when a tree crashed through the roof. One man was killed when he went out to his car to charge his cell phone during the storm.

A woman known only as ``Vera'' was struck by a car after the hurricane hit,
according to her husband.

Most of the dead from Hurricane Katrina don't have names yet.
Many will never be identified because their bodies decomposed in the floodwaters and heat before they were found.

For some, a few details are emerging from relatives who want them remembered:

Jewelry shop owner David ``Kip'' Logan, 49, liked to play golf and hunt and attended a Baptist church. His last act was to tell his wife to run as a tree cracked and fell on the
porch of his Laurel, Miss., home, collapsing an awning on top of him.

Deborah Logan suffered two broken vertebrae and broken fingers, but stayed with her husband as neighbors pulled him from the wreckage, dug a damaged car out of the debris
and drove him to the hospital.

``I held his head in my hands the whole way,'' Deborah Logan said.

For some reason, 43-year-old Vicky Thaggard wrote a letter to her preacher four months
ago describing how she wanted her funeral carried out. She died when a tree fell on her car in Leake County, Miss.

``Different people think you know before you die,'' said Kay Cain, her niece.
``I don't know. ... Why else would she leave a letter like that?''

Whenever Merry Thompson went out for a drive, she was accompanied by a 3 1/2-foot-tall stuffed toy, Sylvester the cat. It was a tribute to her late father, who was named Sylvester, and it was guaranteed to draw stares from drivers around Eagle Lake, Miss.

The 43-year-old died when a tree fell on her mobile home.

``She's crazy - not looney bin crazy - but she just had a lot of personality,''
her son, Nick Thompson, said. ``She's very outgoing and warm.''

Josh E. Russell had spent a tour in Iraq, then switched to the National Guard from the
Marine Corps so he could spend more time at home. The 27-year-old was killed when
the Humvee he was riding in hit debris on a highway in Pearl River County, Miss.

Russell was nervous about being called into action, sent into the teeth of the hurricane,
said his widow, Jamie Russell.

``He didn't want to go, because he knew it was going to be a bad storm. But he went, because that was his duty,'' she said.

These are just a few of the dead whose names are known and whose stories are being told. But there are sure to be thousands more in months ahead.

Many, like the man whose body was on a wooden cart on New Orleans' Rampart Street near downtown may simply be buried in anonymous pauper's graves. The elderly man was wrapped in a child's bedsheet decorated with the cartoon characters Batman, Robin and the Riddler. He had one shoe on, one off.

Identifying the dead will be a daunting task, made even more desperate because
many will likely be bloated and decomposed by the time they're taken away. FEMA officials said they would try to locate dental records, but urged family members to bring in photos, fingerprints or even a toothbrush or provide DNA samples
.

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff warned the nation to prepare for the worst
as bodies believed to be in houses and in floodwaters are recovered.

``It is going to be about as ugly of a scene as I think you can imagine,'' Chertoff said.

Slowly, though, some faces are being matched with the dead, mostly by family members.

For days, mystery shrouded the body of ``Vera'' as closely as the sheet that eventually cloaked her body. She stayed there in the Garden District, at the corner of Jackson and Magazine, with a spraypainted tribute on the sheet over her:
``Here lies Vera. God help us.''

Vera turned out to be 66-year-old Elvira Smith, who lived with her common-law husband, C.N. Keene, about five blocks from where she was killed. Sitting shirtless and with a growth of beard on the front porch of his modest duplex, Keene said he last saw his wife Monday after the hurricane struck.

Keene said she was on her way to Jewel's grocery when someone driving in the frantic aftermath of the hurricane struck her just a few feet from the store entrance and sped away. The next day, Keene said he walked over and put a bedspread over her body but
he didn't want to return to it.

On Saturday, Keene was sitting on his porch when a man came up to him with some news.

``Some guy I didn't even know named John came by and said, 'I've just buried Elvira in the park,''' Keene said. Her body remained in the same spot, but a short wall of bricks had been built around her, anchoring the tarp.

``I told him I appreciated it,'' Keene said.

http://news.channels.aolsvc.aol.ca/news/article.adp?id=20050906092209990014


- " FEMA officials said they would try to locate dental records... "
. . How many of the poor can even afford dental treatment ?

- " FEMA officials ... urged family members to bring in photos,
fingerprints or even a toothbrush or provide DNA samples."
. . " Photo's " to match to severely bloated corpses ? !!
. . " a toothbrush or DNA sample " ??? Why not suggest something simple like a hairbrush ??
THAT IS what they asked for after 911. (hmmm, ... they're impeding identification ? )

.... i am EXTREMELY Uncomfortable that FEMA, the Official body largely responsible for
the death of thousands of Americans, is NOW is charge of tallying the body count !!!!
..... i sincerely hope that there are those from the International Community bearing witness to what's going on down there.

.... About 24hrs ago, i read that a member of the National Guard prevented a journalist
from entering the part of the Superdome where dead bodies of Americans had been brought in. His response to the journalist was, " If you want to take pictures of dead bodies, then
go to Iraq. "

... Many of the poor have no families, are estranged from families, or generally live isolated lives. How many were carrying any sort of ID ?

- " may simply be buried in anonymous pauper's graves "
.... i am suspecting many will not end up in "pauper's graves " where they could be counted.
But will be disposed of, perhaps by cremation, for any number of reasons, including cost, manpower, crowded grave areas, but mostly some concept of Disease Prevention and Control.

When FEMA showed lil care for these Americans while they lived, it's hard to imagine that they will respect their dignity post-mortum, when their own reputation and jobs, and many political careers, are now at stake.
 beachcomberb

Joined: 11/16/2004
Msg: 83
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Posted: 9/6/2005 11:33:19 AM
Foxe, Irish mary-maybe you should go to the DHS website and do a little reading before you start condemning Nagin as your ignorance of how emergencies such as this are handled is showing.

http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/theme_home2.jsp

Preparing America

In the event of a terrorist attack, natural disaster or other large-scale emergency, the Department of Homeland Security will assume primary responsibility on March 1st for ensuring that emergency response professionals are prepared for any situation. This will entail providing a coordinated, comprehensive federal response to any large-scale crisis and mounting a swift and effective recovery effort. The new Department will also prioritize the important issue of citizen preparedness. Educating America's families on how best to prepare their homes for a disaster and tips for citizens on how to respond in a crisis will be given special attention at DHS.

Get a clue!
 foxefire

Joined: 2/23/2005
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Posted: 9/6/2005 4:46:26 PM

The new Department will also prioritize the important issue of citizen preparedness. Educating America's families on how best to prepare their homes for a disaster and tips for citizens on how to respond in a crisis will be given special attention at DHS.

Get a clue!


I have a clue. It doesn't take Homeland Security to tell me this. So tell me was the DHS suppose to do go door to door and tell people what they should do, or was the information to be filtered down to the State and then to the local government to inform people what to do?
 beachcomberb

Joined: 11/16/2004
Msg: 85
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Posted: 9/6/2005 5:21:33 PM
Foxefire-I am really getting tired of having to explain things to you as mine brain gets cramped from stooping over so far. Maybe you should review the last 40 posts or so and really pay attention to the what is being said and the pertinence of one thread to another. The point is that DHS assumes PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY. Go look up the definition of non sequiteur and quit posting them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 foxefire

Joined: 2/23/2005
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Posted: 9/6/2005 5:38:32 PM
I just ask a question. How about I just totally ignore any of your posts. Seems you can't carry on a conversation without resorting to insults.
 beachcomberb

Joined: 11/16/2004
Msg: 87
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Posted: 9/6/2005 7:13:27 PM
Foxefire-Please allow me to apologize and I will in the future be more considerate. I do not mean to insult you, just tease you and I do feel badly about my last post. I humbly and sincerely ask for your forgiveness and promise you I will be more patient in the future. I mean this in all sincerity with no sarcasm whatsoever intended. BB
 foxefire

Joined: 2/23/2005
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Posted: 9/6/2005 8:41:54 PM
^^^^^^^^ Thanks.
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