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Flear
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| Are all mediums frauds?
Posted: 10/20/2006 2:34:00 PM | Sunny ...
your right, it has nothing to do with religion
it's not about god, or jesus, or satan, it has "NOTHING" to do with religion
it has to do with yourself, it's not satan whispering in your ear it's you listening.
it has to do with your beliefs, your views, what you can & do accept, and if you accept satan in your life only to push satan away ... your flirting with the devil and don't even know it, all because you asked for satan to be there for you so you could tell satan to go away.
those born with it aren't given the ability because of the devil, it's because they're capable and didn't rationalize it away till ignorance of what is capable took over
many can, do, and will attribute their abilities to god, (whatever name they give god), just because you attribute it to god doesn't mean that if you walk away from the church your abilities will vanish.
such abilities are part of the individual who is capable of manifesting them.
there is no dark side power or light side power, it's how the individual uses it. someone that drinks too much isn't siding with the devil, someone who completely looses their marbles because of cancer hasn't succumed to evil tendancies. someone who advocates for the killing of another isn't some mindless individual just promoting what their left or right ear is telling them.
we blame kids actions on TV and computer games, get those kids grow up into adults and turn into the same gulliable people they were as kids, only now they're supposed to be responsible for their actions, ... while they are blaming everyone else instead of acknowledging they where involved and had a hand in whatever it was that went wrong.
while we're on brainwashing effects of TV and videogames how about the churches that promote the bible with their doors and windows closed forgetting to look outside at what god actualy did, i know for myself the world outside is far greater then what is written in some book, or how about recognizing your supposed to judge someone on their actions over their words. so if the bible is the word of god, ... then what is all that green stuff outside ... the work of god, ... many say the bible doesn't contradict itself, but it doesn't mean the church doesn't take it out of context to suit their purposes and disregard or contradict the work of god
psychic abilities are natural to everyone, many aren't concerned with them and get on in their lives without them. then there are a significant majority that side with what the pastor is saying about the devils work, or reason everything away when the obvious answer isn't something they want to accept.
for the rest of us who know what mediums and psychics realy are, it's tough being in a world where the mundane people promote that ignorance is the hight of being, and heaven forbid they ever question those precious beliefs to find out what is realy going on.
people like james Randi and the JREF are prime examples of people & groups who have no interest in finding out if psychics are real, they are very interested in protecting their precious archaic views though with their tunnel vision, "if it doesn't agree with what they know they discount it", sounds like ignorance to me
webhead should know what this is like.
you want scientific proof of what is going on, look up scalar energy, as your incapable of thinking for yourself perhaps if you found out that real world scientific equipment is registering what psychics and mediums are doing & controlling, ... but then again that would be asking you to question your views, ... heaven forbid that ever take place.
or should you get into quantum physics which is opening up a whole world of understanding about what the mind is capable of, albiet slowly for it's got to wait for scientific reasoning and logic to take it's turn, but it is happening, steadily and with much enthusiasm | |
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Posted: 10/20/2006 4:03:13 PM | Flear, your wise beyond your years and you will make a good psychologist what ever you choose to specialize in.
A "game" I learned (don't know where I learned it...probably some PSI website) is, you take a red Ace and a black Ace out of a deck of cards. Place them in front of you face up. Take the deck and shuffle the remaining cards (you will have 50). With the cards facing down, try to sense if it's a red card or a black card. Put it in the pile you think the card belongs...either red or black. When your done with all the cards, count how many "hits" you had. The more you do this, the higher count you will get as you focus on "reading" the card. 15 correct hits is average. My grand daughter got 40+ hits correctly consistently!! (Way better than I ever did!!) When you get bored with that, try to see in your minds eye what suit it is!! It's good mental exercise. | |
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Posted: 10/21/2006 6:51:42 PM | There are people who are more intuitive than others.
How ever, there are some whose knowledge surpasses what is explainable with that. Where does it come from? How do we explain people who claim to have had "past life expieriences" that are historicly accurate?
Quite simply actually, and no it is not a gift from God. Demons who once posessed a soul , now inhabibat another and brings those memories with them. These cases are rare though, very rare.
In most cases, I am talking John Edwards, (even Benny Hinn fits here with his so called " gifts"), they are intuitive to feel what the person wants to hear, and those gullible souls are so desparate to believe what they hear, they make it happen.
The whole idea of someone making a living from telling the future is an oxymoron. Tell a person he/ she, will meet someone at a highway stop for example. Guess what, they will be searching so much for highway stops they will have changed their future, by not being at the right one at that so called random meeting.
Not one time, has astrology, or any similar con , come close to being accurate in my life, that is for sure.
If the person believes hard enough, they might actually seek what is predicted, and the poor gullible fool is now going to think it is true.
For 10 years now, I have known a person who believes she has "gifts", astrology and " psychic " ability. Quite funny really if it wasnt so sad.
At least 4 times, she has informed me how she has finally met her soul mate! LOL, how can a psychic, ever be divorced, be broke, have an accident! Sheesh, she has had at least 3 that I know of.
Ninety percent of all so called "mediums " are just plain old con artists, or gullible , pitiful fools who are seduced into believeing their wishes to have it. Sorry, I go with fraud. | |
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Posted: 10/21/2006 7:01:39 PM |
How ever, there are some whose knowledge surpasses what is explainable with that. Where does it come from? How do we explain people who claim to have had "past life expieriences" that are historicly accurate?
Quite simply actually, and no it is not a gift from God. Demons who once posessed a soul , now inhabibat another and brings those memories with them. These cases are rare though, very rare.
Putting in a call to the Irony Police as I type this...
Seriously though... is there anything any stranger about believing in past lives than there is in believing in the powers of invisible demons that possess people? Or believing in God for that matter - is that any stranger? I shouldn't think so...certainly no harder to detrmine which is or isn't fraud.
Having watched John Edwards a few times, it is easy to see that he uses plain old "cold reading."
Hinn has been serially debunked.
If all they are providing is a simple fortune telling service, then I would agree but that is rarely all they are doing... | |
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Posted: 10/21/2006 9:08:56 PM | Themmadfiddler
Excellent point.
Always wondered how people ( myself at times) could think it is such a stretch in the imagination to believe there is a God, creator, but think a big bang created every thing!
Think believeing in God is a fairy story, impossible, but believe in astrology, stars control my life?
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Joined: 5/7/2006
Msg: 281 | |
| Are all mediums frauds?
Posted: 10/21/2006 9:13:21 PM | Dunrich, ... so do you believe in psychics and/or mediums or not ?
you claim 90% are frauds, .... so your claiming 10% are real right ??? | |
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Posted: 10/21/2006 9:52:23 PM |
Always wondered how people ( myself at times) could think it is such a stretch in the imagination to believe there is a God, creator, but think a big bang created every thing!
Think believeing in God is a fairy story, impossible, but believe in astrology, stars control my life?
Well ya know, instead of reducing either side to a black and white fallacy, we could assume there may be some merit to be had with both and some inherant problems in both and say we don't have enough information on either to be absolutely certain of what is occuring in either situation rather than attempting to make "pronouncements" from the Mountaintop.
As far as the Big Bang goes... until a better explanation that fits the evidence at hand comes along, application of what we know about mathematics, physics and astronomy but mostly Occam's Razor suggests to me I will stick with it and a healthy dose of general uncertainty rather than positing a certain belief in an invisible bearded man in the sky who sees all, knows all and loves me but is bad with money, to borrow from George Carlin...
And as far as astrology goes, thinking of it as merely "the stars controlling someone's life" is more evidence to show that a little knowledge of a subject is a dangerous thing... | |
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Flear
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Joined: 5/7/2006
Msg: 283 | |
| Are all mediums frauds?
Posted: 10/21/2006 10:52:49 PM | funny you should mention The Big Bang & Occam's Razor actualy.
i keep going back to realizations that Quantum physics has discovered in the last couple years
the last i heard them talking about the big bang was to say that all matter is connected, you touch, change, or alter one piece of matter, or even molecule or atom, (or smaller particle) and it "DOES" effect all other matter in the entire universe simultaniously.
Quantum Phsysics also says that all matter is composed of energy, and that a single thought can have an effect on matter.
Quantum phsysics also says that matter is realy only solid when it is observed, either in it's interaction with another peice of matter, or when it's observed by a mind or thought (something that is sencient makes an observation), all the rest of the time this solid thing that previously held beleifs about science claim always was, always is, and always will be solid matter (regardless of what state of matter it is in, including gasses, plasmas and whatever other states of matter are found or created) are completly wrong.
i'm not just making some wild claim, i'm repeating to others what real scientists in real labs are studying & creating scientificaly repeatable evidence to support a new understanding of what is.
these scientists are doing what most other folks in the world are scared to do, including people like James Randi, oh the all famous James Randi who is not trying to find out if psychics are real, but is intent on discrediting psychics.
lets use James Randi as an example with the part about quantum physics.
the mind has the ability to effect other sources of energy that exist outside of the body that houses the mind (someone can influence the world around them just by thinking about it) and Mr. Randi sets up some prize in a claim to find psychics while he has the complete intent on discrediting psychics instead. ... Occams Razor guys, the simpliest explaination, not nessissarly the explaintion you want to believe. if the simpliest explaination wants you to rethink and question your beliefs and understanding then that's what you do, or your not following Occams Razor.
now back to Randi and his influences in the "testing" he's conducting.
Mr. Randi has a view to discredit psychics as frauds, why because it's what he did, he was a street magician, slight of hand, the willingness of the participant to believe what you want them to believe, deception and trickery, that's how street magicians work. in Mr. Randi's views this is all that's going on, he's not intent on finding out if psychics are real, he's intent on proving it's parlor tricks and slight of hand, and "cold readings".
i've heard of his testing methods and it amounts to blatant lying to the psychic being tested.
"i'm going to tell you i've done one thing, but in reality i've done something completly different, just to screw you up so i can prove that your not what you claim you are"
So Mr. Randi doesn't believe in psychics at all, it's not just some "i personaly don't believe", it's i don't believe so strongly i refuse to accept the possibility", with this belief in the testing of those few psychics who do come forward Mr. Randi is deliberatly sending forth the energy that the would-be-psychic is wrong. now remember that quantum physics has already proven that one persons thoughts can influence the world around them. so Mr. Randi puts forward the thought that the would-be-psychic is a fraud, that they cannot be what they claim, that it's deception. this plays with the reading & insight of the would-be-psychic to confuse their senses.
Mr Randi believes psychics are all frauds, full of deceptions and cold readings, slight of hand and other street magician entertainment. This is what Mr. Randi believes.
now lets apply Occams Razor with this belief.
Occams Razor states the simplest explaination. it does not suggest "only explainations which you are willing to accept and believe".
Mr. Randi is only going to accept what he believes, and goes through extensive deliberate means to prove his way of thinking, he's not open to the simplest explaination, he's only willing to accept what he currently believes.
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for the rest of the people out there who know absolutly nothing about psychics, it's obvious your naive. i'm not saying this to insult, despite how it sounds.
we've covered the street magician already in this post
religeion claims psychic abilities as the manifestation of demonic powers, or at least usualy. and condemns such people who profess such things and those who can actualy "do" those things they profess.
Science, traditional science, would not accept psychics because of the inability to produce repeatable testing results in the lab situation that traditional science holds dear. so for those who follow this road and who are compleatly blind to quantum physics, well i can't fault you for what you don't know.
then comes hollywood and it's attempts to make psychics out to be only what is needed for the story line. we claim we are adults and are smart and intelligent enough to know the difference between reality and movies. yet a fictional movie comes out like War of the Worlds recently enough and peole are freaking out because the clouds looked the same and a real invasion must be happening, ... from well educated adults who know the difference between what is real and what is make-belief.
so ya, "naive" comes to mind, this is why cold readings word. because someone can't tell the difference between what is real and make-belief.
then all these well educated adults step out into the world with their claims they aren't gulliable (except for when it comes to movies), and aren't narrow minded, except when it comes to traditional science and religeon, and we're so smart that some fraud can't scam us, except for all the internet scams out there "if you just send me $5", .... and in all your vast intelligence the only thing you can realize is that because of the frauds out there, the liars, cheats, street magicians, scientists, preachers, politicians and whoever else who makes their claims without foundation because they don't want to believe something they've never had any personal experience with and develop a close-minded attitude. and they spread this attitude, and all those people who are so eager to have someone else tell them how to handle their own life because they want to give up their independance and freedom ...
hey, if you give up your independance and freedom because you listened to someone else that's your fault, it's your responsibility so quit blaming anyone other then yourself.
it's your fault your kids are watching TV & playing computer games when your not taking part in their life, it's your fault your not relating to your kids because you didn't spend time with them, it's your fault your kids are growing up with deluded ideas about things because you couldn't be bothered to be a role model for them as a father & mother are supposed to be, but i'm sure TV and the computer is healthier for them right ???
if you don't want to belief in psychics and mediums that's your choice, if you want to belief they're fake, then you go ahead and belief that.
if you want to promote some false beliefs because you've never had any personal experience with such things ... hey that same thinking laughed at steralizing surgical equipement before the microscope, and it laughed at microscopes that caught pictures of live viruses years before the electron microscope ever existed (which kills everything), ... all because those doctors refused to take a look.
those doctors sat back in their office and with their tunnel-vision mentality, refused to believe the literature, refused to talk with the doctor, refused to question their deeply held beliefs.
and this very same doctor cured 16 terminal ill cancer patients with new technology that was destroyed because it was a threat to someone's wallet.
so for everyone out there that has had someone dear to them die from most any disease out there, you should thank the guy who was worried about his wallet instead of the health of your loved ones, ... perhaps you should repeat that hypocratic oath to see my point.
you want to claim psychics are frauds and ignore the overwhealming evidance around you in the world today because you don't want to challenge your deeply held beliefs. | |
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Posted: 10/21/2006 11:10:47 PM | Well written reply, Flear. This is why I note with Occam's Razor the healthy dose of uncertainty that any good scientist worth his salt accepts...the great caveat - THIS THEORY/RULE IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE WITHOUT NOTICE. There is nothing certain. The door is always open to new evidence and when it comes in, you revise your data and move on.
Religion, at least fundamentalist, literalist religion, is like trying to stand on one exact spot in a flowing river and declare it truly fixed for all time. It deals in certainties and absolutes of belief that are generally divorced from anything that could be termed facts or concensus reality and are deeply entrenched in beliefs.
Like I said before about JREF, the fix is in from the beginning...no one will ever win the Randi Challenge because the hypothesis behind the Challenge is "There is no such thing as paranormal powers and we will now set out to prove it so!" It is, in fact, quite unscientific in its certainty. | |
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Posted: 10/22/2006 2:32:04 AM | | Flear 10 per cent yes. How ever, there are 2 sources of that "gift". Does God give some the same gift he gave Daniel in this day and age? I really do not know. The other side does I believe. Thanks. | |
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Posted: 10/23/2006 8:40:56 AM | | So hypnomoemoe, I see one of your ogre henchman has crawled out of the sespool of ignorance to personally attack me. Actually Hynomoemoe, I believe you're personally embarassed by this moron of epic proportions who's probably one of Pat Robertson's personal gestapo. This guy has managed to put both feet in his mouth, down his throat and out his own ass. So tell us jeepman, do you rent your head out to hynomoemoe for crystal ball readings part time? Maybe you would like to explain to us what part of my explanation about temporal lobe epilepsy is BS. I doubt you've even heard of this condition, if you did, you would know that this condition has been scientifcally proven to account for personal paranormal events, divine visions and other ghostly apparations. I see by your profile that you're a Christian. So is that part of the tenets of Christian faith to tell people to commit suicide, make overly derogatory remarks about contaminating the human race, reference to hookers, over indulgence in drugs.Doesnt sound very christian to me. Perhaps this is sub sect of Christianity specific to people of Modesto, California . So Jeephead, Hynomoemoe is arranging a cruise to celebrate her sons birthday and there are four single nurses attending. Thats just perfect for you cause you'll need all four nurses to help with your personal mental problems. Hey! I got an idea! Why dont you hop into that little jeep of yours and drive down to Canada and tell me face to face what you think. Better still, why dont you give me your address so I can fly down there and stick my foot in your mouth, I'm sure there's enough room for one more foot. What do you say there Jeepyy ole boy. | |
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Flear
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Joined: 5/7/2006
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| Are all mediums frauds?
Posted: 10/23/2006 10:27:29 AM | webhead,
perhaps you should read more of the posts before you make your claims to call others down.
i think i've done an adiquate job of explaining why so many people don't understand what psychics and mediums are.
and i see your jumping onto Temporal Lobe Epilepsy as your sole explaination without proof.
Hypno has stated that she works around people with psychological problems, TLE included. working around such people in todays world requires an understanding of such disorders with many years in college. as for why she was tested, mabey it was due to her own curiosity in an attempt to explain to herself what was going on. or mabey it was so bring about a sense of closure about why she has her abilities, it doesn't matter why, what does matter is that after such tests the results were negative about her having TLE.
if all you've got left is to make accusations, then your in the wrong place.
if you want to be derogitory about a persons personal belief systems your also in the wrong place.
if you cannot keep a level head, your in the wrong place.
if you have something to back up what your saying then do so instead of making wild assumptions about people. what you are saying about christianity is ... perhaps you should talk to a real christian face-to-face to find out what their beliefs say about such actions before you make claims that christianity is related to suicide, hookers, drugs, and other claims your making.
again i suggest you read the other posts.
you started your posts in this thread as an attack on Hypno, since then you seem to be gaining more entertainment by calling others down over any sence of taking part in here. | |
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Posted: 10/23/2006 11:23:23 AM | "are all mediums frauds?"
How can ANYONE say that ALL mediums are frauds. Isn't there a caveat here about generalisations??????????
I do not believe I am feeble in mind, or don't own a healthy dose of scepticism or suffer from delusions. I know that there is more to this world than our five senses. To brush off all mediums is not intelligent.
In my opinion, messages from the unseen world are real and usually given in that respect which would not be offensive to the receiver. Some may call it inspiration. Some may call it second party messaging. Whatever. Belief is key.
What I don't understand is the lack of tolerance by Christians whose very faith is founded upon a man who spoke with His Father and was "christed" by a spirit. The ultimate in mediumship. ******shaking head******
Cheers, Raven | |
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Posted: 10/23/2006 4:50:54 PM | Are all politicians honest? Do waitresses chew gum? Well, we have no degree of accuracy on those questions either. My opinion is that NO, mediums do not all = frauds.
My friend has made $500,000. off his psychic - so hummmm.....
I just heard something wonderful -
If it's ok with God for you to talk with your mother on earth,
then it should be ok with God for you to talk with your mother once she traveled beyond. PS: I am Christian and I talk to anyone who cares to listen. | |
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Posted: 10/24/2006 1:13:53 PM | Well webhead, I'm thrilled youre so pissed off youre willing to come to Modesto, I found that hilarious. You gave me the desired effect I wanted. You gave me control of your emotions, just as you tried to gain control of the emotions of others by the remarks you have made and talking down to them.
Its official.
Youre mentally weak.
Remember Webhead, you get what you give, and you got what you had coming to you.
Bet you feel pretty silly now, dont you?
Enough thread hijacking, carry on peoples.  | |
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Posted: 10/24/2006 2:07:02 PM | | Whoaaa!! Whats that glare!!! Let me put on my shades and see who it is. Hey! Its my ole buddy Jeepman, with another transgressional discourse whos yet to even remotely address the very subject matter of this thread. So tell me Jeepman, do you use that head of yours to generate some form of bio-solar energy to power your computer and home. Do you actually have an opinion to offer the viewers in cyberland on this thread or are you more inclined to be a pompom shaking cheerleader. Seems to me I'm your only target of interest here, seems to me I have your complete and total attention, and it seems to me therefore I have control over your thoughts and emotions( what little you have). Still laughing Chromedome? | |
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Posted: 10/24/2006 6:25:26 PM | Hey Flear! If you can see a virus with a light microscope, you had better post it, you'll be famous!
http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/jul99/931792058.Mi.r.html
As far as curing people with cancer using alternative medicine..Pffft. Whole slew of compounds have been studied by top notch NIH scientists for almost four decades. Whats your point? So a physician uses them.. been part of ethnopharmacology of many peoples for years. Problem is, mechanisms aren't known and understood, which hampers their legal use as treatment for cancer and other diseases.
That is not even close to being in the same argument league of whether or nor mediums are frauds.
Gimme evidence they aren't frauds. Since you are quite fond of the science angle, give me a scientific basis to use to find evidence that supports the claims of mediums to make contact with the dead. | |
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| Are all mediums frauds?
Posted: 10/24/2006 7:05:39 PM |
Gimme evidence they aren't frauds. Since you are quite fond of the science angle, give me a scientific basis to use to find evidence that supports the claims of mediums to make contact with the dead.
No such beast.
Not yet...... | |
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Posted: 10/24/2006 8:43:24 PM | And that being said I think anyone who visits a medium has to do so with the proverbial pound of salt or do so knowing that what they are getting is NOT a factual exchange of data from "beyond the grave." Rather, they are getting the same kind of information that they might get from any other spiritual worker... and frankly, if we made illegal, mocked, or called fraudulent, and stopped giving money to all the "socially established" and sanctioned spiritual workers that moved among us and offered such advice...and very often foretelling of future events, well quite frankly, there would be an awful big lineup for sales of rotten tomatoes, stonings and witch burnings as just about every organized religion from Christianity on down offers a similar service...
It's just that they have "public acceptance and sanction" and the independant medium does not.
Caveat emptor.
As I already noted, if it helps an individual become a more actualized, centered, functioning member of society without seriously harming them or someone else physically, mentally or economically (no milk money spent on tarot readings) then why should we have a problem with this...? Is it any worse than 20$ in the collection plate?
The humanist would surely say there is no need for either one at all...and perhaps they are right...but we may not all be so evolved yet... | |
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| Are all mediums frauds?
Posted: 10/26/2006 1:35:42 AM | Sombient, ... ask and you shall recieve
Light is nothing more then a rather small and specific frequency band in the electromagnetic spectrum that our eyes have cells that are photoreceptive to.
there is nothing magical or mysterious about this.
for the visible light spectrum to be capable of viewing an object the object has to be larger then the wavelenth being used, again nothing magical or mysterious.
when 2 different frequencies are directed towards an object the difference between their frequencies creates a third resonant frequency, ie. 30,000Hz & 35,000Hz produces a resonant frequency of 5,000Hz which is withing hearing range.
or perhaps your a visual person, 300PHz & 299.9PHz = 1THz, and according to the realy basic chart from Wiki, with wavelenths 1nm in size
while visible light has wavelenths of 400-700nm.
hmmm, go figure
in 1944 ...
The electron microscope has a resolution power of 100,000 and 200,000 is possible
The microscope i mentioned has a resolution of 60,000 diameters, ...
and normal microscopes were up around 5,000 diameters.
the electron microscope is very damaging in viewing anything because of how it does it's stuff, the microscope i mentioned has taken photos of viruses and bacteria still living.
http://www.navi.net/~rsc/seidel.htm#rife
the guy who made the microscope i am talking about died and aside from a few fans, everything he worked on was technicaly buried.
that would include the diseases his technology was capable of curing, hmmm, perhaps you would like some info on that, sure, search for it, look up anything including "Rife", or "Royal Raymond Rife", or "Rife Generator" mabey i am fanatical, mabey the fans are fanatical, i'd like to hear what you say about a documented study that was done in curing cancer though, ... kinda hard to shut that one up when there is official documentation backing it up, ... that stuff you can't BS about without asking to get sued.
while your post included no info other then how large a nm. is. ... perhaps you need to do some more research before your next post.
those chemicals that are curing cancer, ... oh did you know if the drug kills the patient it's a valid successful treatment for cancer due to the sole fact that the cancer did not kill the patient ???, will miracles never cease.
perhaps you misread my post on the treatment this man had, it included zero chemicals, compounds, antibiotics, perscriptions, suppliments, ... all those things that if you look around today you can find plenty of liturature with findings claiming all these drugs and medications that are out there are causing as much, if not more harm, then the disease they are supposed to treat, ...
as for the technology that is used, ... lets look at molecular bonds and shorten the whole search list for you, ... molecules like anything else if exposed to the right frequency will break.
and a whole technology was started because of that understanding.
and a whole technology was silenced because of another person who was greedy and worried about his wallet instead of the health and well being of his fellow man.
but this is a lot of my biased opinion here, so it wouldn't due to listen to what i have to say, much better to find out on your own when you search, ... if you search, otherwise there's this thing called denial.
the idea that so long as you don't challenge your beliefs then your beliefs must therefore be right.
if you want evidence that there are real psychics out there in the world, ... well i exist, oh ya that's right, you don't care because you have this highly over inflated sence of expectations that a psychic must be capable of and if they cannot reach that bar then it's a waste of your time.
if your curious i'm at a level low enough that i'm learning, and starting out, and like anything else in this world everyone starts somewhere and when starting your abilities are never expected to compete with someone who is fully proficient.
you want a scientific basis on communication with the dead, ... well obviously your another james randi out there and i already established that he is a cheat and liar in his search for psychics.
how would you conduct scientific fact on contact with the dead, hmmm, let me see.
one persons mind becomes open to recieving new information that isn't recieved through the five basic sences.
k, EEG, or some other technology out there that is capable of studying brain activity.
sure, that sounds like a feasable test, ... except ...
the brain lights up just because you had a thought, whether you where talking with the dead, or thinking about what you had for breakfast, or just a simple daydream.
or mabey you want some other form of evidance, such as someone alive who knew of the departed soul when they wheren't so departed. then you can correlate what our would-be psychic says with our dead friends friend who is present
but how do you repeat that, is our living friend going to be honest, are they legaly sane, is our living friend friends with our medium ??? were there any generalized questions ?, was any info given from our dead friend that could have applied to anyone else, ?? did the psychic get lucky ???
oh ya, and scientific evidence, that is only valid when it can be repeated in a laboratory controlled setting.
so how many people are you going to do a background check on to cross reference the possiblity of "friend of a friend of the psychic". or if the would-be departed spirits living friend just wants to agree to what was said because they want to belief or because they're upset with the scientific perspective ???
i'm not just dreaming up excuses for why it won't work, i'm just smart enough to know your not asking a question that can be proven, like i said earlier, it's about belief, if you belief then you have within you the possibility to do the same thing yourself.
mabey that would strike your fancy, doing it yourself, ... but you also have to believe it's possible, if you believe it's not possible then you'd be wasting both our time so don't bother asking, ... if you are going to give it a real shot and persist then let me know.
if you are going to only half-assed try expecting it's never going to get anywhere then that's exactly what will happen, it won't get anywhere.
if you want to realy try and find out i'm all full of BS then the only thing you have lost is stress and a half-hour a day.
you want scientific evidence, then what better peice of evidence then yourself.
but once more doubt would undo everything, so don't waste either of our time if you're not serious and want to believe, ... then you could support webhead.
you want any other scientific evidence then there is the quantum phsysics i mentioned and that has established scientific evidence to the limits of current experimentation, if you want to make any claims that they don't have any proof then it's time to understand that in the infancy of any area of study there is only room for growth, and at an astonishingly fast pace.
which from the look of one film i had seen, within the span of under 2 years (guessing anyway) more insight had been realized that allowed them to expand upon the details that where presented in the origeonal film
if your curious have a look for "what the bleep do we know", and "the Secret"
they both draw heavily upon science to explain the powers of the mind and states of matter in the world around us. | |
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Flear
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| Are all mediums frauds?
Posted: 10/26/2006 9:58:55 AM | | that is one of the biggest reasons i refuse even considering to associate myself with religeions, a complete lack of understanding with what is real as the church makes no attempt in any sort of understanding what is going on and in ignorance calls it "the devils work". | |
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| Are all mediums frauds?
Posted: 10/26/2006 11:10:32 AM | I hear you Flear...as I have already pointed out, it is very humorous to see that someone can make such a hateful and bigoted reply and has obviously had their sense of irony surgically removed at some point in their life if they for any reason believe that their notion of talking to an invisible man in the sky seems any more or less rational, real or meaningful than the practice of mediums or psychics.
For all he knows, maybe he's being deceived by devils? How would he know? He reads his Bible...he believes with all his heart that he's doing the right thing...but we all know the brain, the senses, all are easily fooled...
Could it be... SAAAATAN???? 
All that burning bush you have, and so much foolishness about other people following the Devil...as they used to say back in the day, "man, you be trippin'." | |
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Posted: 10/26/2006 10:43:31 PM | BRAVO FLEAR! I do have some web sites to direct you too that I think would be of interest to you and others....Loyd Aurebach M.A. is the Director of the "Office of Paranormal Investigations" here in Calif. He can be frequently seen on Discovery, TLC, History and of course Sci Fi channels. He has also written several books. I currently am taking his PI course from him. Go to his sites and you can decide if he's someone you might want to talk with. Very easy person to talk too with a great sense of humor!
www.mindreader.com
Another person of interest whom I have had contact with is Dr Mitchell Gibson, a foreinsic Psychatrist. He believes that 80% of the mentally ill have some sort of possession. Unless you have worked in Mental Health, it seems a little far fetched to most...The diagnostic code book used in Mental Health is considering putting "possession" as a diagnostic code.
His site www.mitchellgibsonmd.com
Some of Dr Gibson's beliefs seem a little on the "different" side, but I am not him nor have I experienced what he has. His book explains a lot of how he came to this point in his life and doing the work he's doing. Again, a great sense of humor and a very loving spirit.
I think you will find quite a difference in opinion and outlook between the two. | |
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| Are all mediums frauds?
Posted: 10/27/2006 12:01:53 AM |
Flear, your wise beyond your years
Took the words right out of my mouth. Thank you both.
Here goes my rant....(tongue firmly in cheek.)
Went to a doctor, did a bunch of tests, made me buy drugs supporting pharmaceuticals, everyone knows those companies own the world, and pay for doctors with huge salaries, obviously ONLY in it for the money. Well I never got better! Frauds, all of them. All doctors. They charge MONEY? For their healing work! Wrong. Says so in the bible. And those obstetricians are the worst frauds! They try to stop a woman’s god given punishment to suffer as she gives birth. Says that in the bible. Someone offered a reward to any doctor who could make them live forever. So far not one has taken that prize. Proves it. Doctors are frauds.
Chiropractors too. Frauds in it for the money. There is no proof that they are doing anything beneficial
And homeopathic Drs? Give me a break! Placebo. Frauds
Now we all know Lawyers are frauds. We know what they charge to make your divorce take as long as possible, frauds, in it for the money, and besides I think the bible doesn’t like them either. Frauds, All out to rip you off.
And psychiatrists and all those other mumbo jumbo so called sociologists psychologists and all those councilors and ologists. I know lots of people fooled by them. And they charge an arm and a leg to just let you talk. They don’t tell you anything, just let you figure it out, and you pay them for it. Good gig if you can get it. The ones they can’t handle. They drug!! Back to those pharmaceuticals. Frauds.
Tongue back in mouth now.
Can you people not find another profession to pick on? This is getting old. Most of you have never met a real medium and do not have a clue what you are babbling about. Very disrespectful of others who may know something you don’t.
Those who do understand this fascinating field of knowledge, well written here! | |
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Flear
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Joined: 5/7/2006
Msg: 300 | |
| Are all mediums frauds?
Posted: 10/27/2006 1:38:20 AM | The Mad Fiddler,
as i understand psychic development, the very first lesson is about understanding yourself. while this isn't realy a lesson in psychic development it's of immence importance so you are not tempted or naive.
those who would condemn another practice, ie. PSI, from a religious backing make it very clear the only protection from the "tainted tongue of satan" that they have is because someone else tells them they are protected. this is a realy scary thought as these people put all their faith and trust in someone else to protect them, ie. GOD, they have taken little or no time in coming to understand their own views, beliefs, morals, thoughts, feelings, drives, desires, ... such people take themselves for granted. the devil honestly has no use for me, for i will not listen, got nothing to do with any tainted tongue that devils have and could be very corrupting. it's soley because i understand myself and my thoughts so when any such devil would try to inspire me to do anything i would be aware that new thought proccesses don't coincide with my current understanding of my views about myself.
while the church go-er takes his trust in the bible and church that everything will turn out well, scared to find out for himself what is real and what is not. repeating the same dogma that was passed onto him by another who again didn't understand what was real and what wasn't. blind faith they call it, ... but, if you spent any time getting to know yourself and opening up to god, not just opening up to some chapter and verse in the bible, but to talk directly with god you'd find a very loving and accepting individual that resembles almost nothing that the churches promote, ... who are to scared to want to talk with god, but they're not too scared to reinterpret the bible to suit their own goals and views, and in turn take "the word of god" and twist and corrupt its meaning till the origeonal meaning is lost.
as for the church and who is following the devil, ... the differences between god and the devil are what ???, the devil is full of hate & spite & god is loving and accepting ???, wait, they worship a fearful god, ... i personaly would be scared of a god that is full of hate and spite myself, but that's just me, i'm not going to a place ruled by a god i fear, ... who is full of hate and spite. ... the bible says what ???, and what does the preacher say to intimidate people into following their views by filling people with fear, guilt, shame, resentment, stubborness, anger.
that is why i will never go to church.
consistancy of thought, without consistancy someone is lying | |
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