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| Are all mediums frauds? Posted: 10/27/2006 2:21:52 AM | Neseemoo,
actualy Chiropractors are about the most valid doctor i know of or trust.
your spine is filled with neural "wires" if you will, these connect your muscular system, your internal organs, your essencial organs for life support, your organs responsible for chemical and hormonal balances in the body that govern your health and mental state of being.
when your spine is applying pressure to these "wires" they are no longer capable of transmitting the signals they have to to provide the right organs and muscles with the signals needed to maintain the healthiest state of body & mind.
this can cause muscle cramps, posture problems, depression, anxiety, ... a whole host of physical and psychological ailments that are counter-productive to an active functional lifestyle.
kinda like how whiplash victems have a very hard time regaining their previous ability and capacity they possessed before the accident, yet a chiropractor can alieviate all such problems and ailments much faster and without any of the adverse reactions (that may or may not be obvious) that people experience after the accident
my personal experience is the alieviation of depression that i grew up with thinking the way i felt and my motivational difficulties where the norm.
a psychiatrist would be very content to believe that pills are everything that is needed to cure a problem, ... that you have to take for the rest of your natural, or unnatural, life and those pills only deal with the symptom and do nothing about the cause. the same is true for doctors, the symptom is adressed with little thought to the cause.
a chiropractor doesn't have to know what the symptoms are, they don't have to know what the cause is, all they do is set the spinal column strait to alieviate any pressure on nerves and allow for a healthier state of body, resulting in a healthier state of mind.. ... and many problems will be relieved by this method.
a counsellor as well does have merrit, ... their job is to sit there and say very little, this allows you to explore your life (with encouragement from the counsellor) in ways you wouldn't have done on your own, and ways you never would have done with friends and family. a counsellor helps you to reevaluate your life. but you have to do it, if the counsellor told you exactly what the problem was and what you need to do to correct it, ... well for most people this is then just someone else telling them what to do, ... and such revelations aren't as meaningful if you realized it yourself. so the counsellor is only doing their job by sitting there and listening, ... when you have a problem you describe and you go about it the way you normaly would, then the counsellors job is to bring to light a view or detail you otherwise overlooked, then once more it is the patients job to explore this new view.
as for lawyers, ... they're in it for the money, everyone knows this, and they do charge an arm and a leg, ... and if your unlucky your first born child as well.
but they're payed for their knowledge in how to use and abuse the legal system, when your innocent and the steaks are high, even your first born child will get some curious looks from you.
but most of the fees for a lawyer go into the legal system to follow court and legal procedures.
i do agree with you whole-heartedly about psychiatrists though, pills for this, pills for that, pills because those other pills are bad for you, but we're telling you you have to take them as well, ... pills for taking more pills, pills for treating active kids, pills for treating sedated kids, ... nope, sedated kids are easy to manage, , ... kids are kids, they are supposed to have tons of energy, otherwise they wouldn't be kids :) as for the teachers who are quick to cry "ADD", ... any children in my future will find such teachers in court for pushing dangerous substances upon minors, ... oh wait, isn't that already illegal, the medical system has a hay-day with anyone trying to aleviate someone elses discomfort who doesn't already posses a medical license.
a good chiropractor will have a talent that can mirror magic, a bad one has a talen that can create large holes on your wallet. and the difference isn't all that hard to tell if you look around and ask questions.
a good counsellor on the other hand is very hard to tell from some greedy SOB who just sees everyone as a source of paying off the morgage and 3 or 4 cars and the yaoght (can't spell), and ... and ... and ...
anyone who is in any possission to help someone get better doesn't want you there as it's a sign they haven't done their job, they want you satisfied but if your showing up again and again, that is the fraud.
and i realy love how you organized your post, :), right to the point and very honest with how things are done, ... where i have filled up pages and said half of what you did. :(
my views on chiropractors, & psychiatrists, because i've been there, the pills did next-to-nothing and the chiropractor compleatly corrected the problem. and counselling, an interest i have for my own future, to be a counsellor, ... just not sure about anything more specific at this point. lawyers, between experience and listening to others accounts of costs.
pharmaceuticals i don't have much experience with outside of dealing with depression, but what i have heard goes along with, ... that's scary and i don't want a world where some of those pills are dangerous to ones health, wait, talked with people who have had experiences in that area too | |
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| Are all mediums frauds? Posted: 10/27/2006 2:36:45 AM | Hypno thanks :)
i've a lot of experience in dealing with such people before joining POF, so it's become realy easy to look at what they are saying and realize the same arguments they want to use to call psychics & mediums down work even better at pointing out what is wrong in their own beliefs.
i know i haven't replied to you before, just that i seem to be in the mood for typing lots tonight :) it's hard to find fault with someone who can think and understand the same views you do.
i do thank you very much for the links :)
having just finished a Silva Ultramind course over the weekend has realy let me know where i am in my persuit and development of PSI (the class setting itself provided an excellent atmosphere that greatly hightened progress while there and given me much to aspire to right now :)
i know it may be a little late now, but i do feel for your childhood growing up and all the accusations you experienced back then, ... and coinciding with my current life, how hard it is to finaly let go and quit hideing, which creates a lot of personal misery :(
so far the only problem i have is in understanding why people are quick to give name to possession, i don't understand how that could happen, then again, i've no experience or witness to it.
but to my current understanding it makes no sense to me. the soul is attached to the body and not the other way around, the body being possessed by a foreign soul is ... just doesn't make sense to me...
mabey it's because far too often people keep trying to redirect responsibility, because, it can't be my fault, it's your fault, ... or ... it can't be your fault so we'll blame it on someone else, and as Neseemoo pointed out, "for a hefty price" | |
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| Are all mediums frauds? Posted: 10/27/2006 9:45:54 AM | | Flear...read all the post. It begins with..tongue firmly in cheek, to let you know the sarcasm....then tongue gets out of cheek, also posted, to let you know when the sarcasm is done with and I am being serious. Just making a point about the rediculous allegations on this post by people who know not what they are talking about. I completly respect the work of a GOOD chiropracto,r as I respect the work of any GOOD profesional. And do not respect the work of the shoddy ones. It was a sarcastic write. | |
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| Are all mediums frauds? Posted: 10/27/2006 11:19:03 AM | | Flear, I have some of my own thoughts and personal experiences I would like to share with you but I don't want to do it on this forum and be the brunt of a lot of sneers and accusations. For 24 hours only, I will change my e-mail settings so you may send me your e-mail if you choose. | |
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| Are all mediums frauds? Posted: 10/27/2006 11:41:36 AM | well as i'm home now before i head off to work...
i'm younger then 35 :)
i think your the first person ever to assume i was older then i realy am. visualy / physicaly i appear younger and those doing readings and such find my energy younger then i realy am as well. would tend to suck if i let it get to me as i have always had a tendacy to meet groups of people who are younger then myself.
anyway, while i'm around i'll wait till i have to head off to work, then if i haven't heard back from you i'll change my settings and wait. oh my, ... ya, it shouldn't be too bad. | |
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| Are all mediums frauds? Posted: 10/27/2006 7:08:02 PM | ACTUALLY,
I am a medium...and I don't "channel" - heck no, ... I record the dead speaking on thier own....with recording equipment and microphones.
How's that ?
There is an annual world conference in Vigo Spain for this kind of recording. | |
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| Are all mediums frauds? Posted: 10/27/2006 9:49:04 PM | Hello again
I think it is quite acceptable for people to question the validity of people who claim to have these gifts. Lets face it, is not a normal thing.
If ,for example, a person claimed to you that they could make your car run all day on half a cup water, you would be a fool not to question that ability. As an inventor, I would be questioning that persons ability to do this more ,than a person who had no mechanical talents or ever owned a car. Right?
There are some who claim to be mediums, that are frauds. Are all of them? I dont really know. What amazes me is , knowing there are frauds, why dont the ones with the real gift, question those claims more?
For a person like myself, without this "gift", why is it bad for me to question where it comes from? Most who claim to have this ability, say they believe in God. The Bible does have persons who were given the gift of prophecy for example. Does it occur now days? I dont know, would like to though!
There are many who claim this gift that are obviously frauds. The honest one, who does have this "gift " must surely be more questioning of their claims than those with out it. | |
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| Are all mediums frauds? Posted: 10/28/2006 2:17:38 AM | it's a fine line to question your own abilities as a psychic (any kind of psychic)
those who are just learning are about the only ones who have the ability (even if just starting) and are unsure about how to tell the difference between true insight and plain imagination.
as one gets more intune with their abilities they learn to identify the difference easier and most importantly to simply trust.
all psychic abilities are based around trust, questioning is in the learning phase, but if you are still questioning and doubting your abilities later on you will loose those abilities because you failed to believe you had them, constantly questioning "did i imagine it" or "can i trust this", or "is it real", or ... and so on, ... if your an inventor i would be realy amazed if you find people who would constantly question their ability to invent new ideas and solutions, to simplify existing designs and to improvise where and when needed. if your constantly questioning if the design your working on will work or not, "is it a dud", "will it screw up", "what about the problems last time", ... these are all negative thoughts i'm sure you recognize as holding back any inventive talent to create designs that work. just like a psychic.
as i seem to be dying to have more people learn to develop such talents themselves, ... it's not hard. the simplest set of instructions i got where "open, expect, trust, & act", ... honestly that's everything there is to being a psychic, regardless of where you apply any of your abilities.
as many find it of importance to beware of the corrupting power of the devil, ... those people would be even more suprised and scared to find out they are more succeptable to such entities then any psychic for the simple fact that they don't know their own thoughts and feelings independant from the group.
so the first part of learning to develop and harness your own psychic abilities comes in understanding yourself, nothing more complex then that
find a quiet place you won't be disturbed set a timer (to give yourself one less thing to worry about), and for 30 min. just relax, sit still, let your mind wander, but don't pay it any mind, if you find your thoughts drifting towards something in particular, let it, just don't get carried away by it, if you find you suddenly remembered something you where supposed to do, chances are you should get it done if it's important, otherwise you've got the rest of the timer to let things go. over time, day after day, things get easier, stress melts away in your personal life, a new sense of calm takes over, priorities are easier to see.
at first you may find yourself falling asleep, this isn't nessissarly because your tired although if it is, it's a sign you should get more sleep. falling asleep can also be a sign of a lot of stress in your life, as your mind relaxes, all the parts that are near burnt out realy start to surface and if that's the case you will fall asleep, over time though your personal stress levels will fall and you won't fall asleep during your 30 min. meditation.
during this time there is no talking with the departed, nore is there any seeking answers to the future, all there is is just getting in touch with yourself, coming to understand who you are, what makes you tick, the things you like, and don't like, learning to recognize if some of the things you do are because you want to do them or because others want you to, or others expect you to.
just finding out who you are. another part i just found out is it's also important to be yourself in your daily life as well, going with the crowd is only good when it's what you want, otherwise it's sheep mentality.
after that during your 30 min. (if you still use the timer) set a question you want to find an answer to, it could be about the future, or how a loved one is doing, mabey it's a prayer for someone's well-being, or to alieviate discourd at home or at work, or anywhere else. wherever you chose to set your question in your life should reflect your priorities, just what's important to you. as you are an inventor, this may be easy, mabey you've got a design your working on and have run into a problem, or your stuck at finding a design for an existing problem, then you can use that as your question.
being psychic doesn't mean just seeing into the future, or being claravoyant, or telepathy, or speaking with the dead (or other spirits), any creativity, inspiration, new ideas, even just desires you have in your life all use the same basics as any psychic out there.
the more important your desire is the more likely your success, right up to and including when your absolutly desperate, you've cried your last tear, your throat is all knotted up, your eyes are bleary and red for staying up far to long and absolutly nothing else matters except success, when you don't care what, you don't care how, you don't care about anything more then acheiving your goal. during those moments if you can truely let go miracles happen.
but those moments aren't just when you "want" to be desperate for an answer, ... if it's about work, be as desperate as you want, you can find another job. if it's about someone you love and care for, if you don't want to give into any negative judgements or pessimistic outcomes, then great miracles can happen. and you don't have to be psychic to do this. for those who follow the church and the bible, and want to think everything is god, then during these times is when "god" listens the most.
it's not just hand everything over to god either, it's when you realy find your goal so increadibly important that at that moment in your life nothing else matters to you.
a psychic though has a much easier time of this just because they are open to what is possible, their prayers are clearer, their thoughts are more focused.
this goes back to the start, learning to know yourself, the better you know yourself the more focused you are in your views, thoughts, and life.
such people can set a goal in their life and reach it, they aren't distracted by others easily, they know what they want and they don't want to settle for less. just because they are focused about their goal, and they are able to focus because they know themselves better, they know what makes themselves tick, their likes and dislikes, they aren't tring to impress the people around them unnessisarly. all those extra distractions and sidetracks just add to stress, which everyone knows they can do without.
Dunrich, as for your question about why psychics don't question the frauds, ... because we don't have to question the frauds to be confident about ourselves. ... it's sense of security about who we are, we know who we are, we don't have to prove ourselves by wasting our time fighting the fakes :)
your an inventor, you do the same with fraudulent inventors, because there are scam artists out there doesn't take away from your sence of accomplishments in your job. at the end of the day you know how well you did, you don't have to compaire your life against some fake to judge yourself.
those with the gift are aware there are fakes out there, but we don't let it get us down, would just add to the stress and lead to depression by adressing things that we have no control over, and aren't worth our time. those with the gift are also aware of other organizations who aren't content at understanding some are real & some are fake, there are those who make it a life-quest to feel "all are fake", these people offer huge prizes to temp psychics then these people go to through extensive procedures and explainations to undermine the would-be psychic having no moral problems with lying and deceiving.
a good psychic, like any good proffesional is secure about themselves, they don't need to show others just for the sake of showing others what they can do. although if surgical doctors did this there wouldn't be lineups :), but even those doctors do their job for the sake of being true to their work, not to prove anything to anyone, they have a life to save, in one way or another.
like myself i have stated many times i am a developing psychic, i hint and suggest to the idea even more. but what would i gain by trying to prove it ?, i'd get lost up in peoples questions and doubts and each time i'd be farther from just accepting myself for who i am. i'd be lost in other peoples predetermined prejudices that psychics are frauds, trying to prove myself to people who don't want to listen. ... and to people who don't want to see the difference between someone who is just starting and what hollywood wants to claim a "real" psychic is capable of.
what am i capable of, ... a little, i do get insights, i have healed, i have seen other places, i have heard others thoughts, i have had communication with other spirits & entities, i have influenced others actions, i have felt others emotions and feelings.
i've done these, but largely hit and miss, and often the right level of thought is realy hard to maintain and i don't get anything accomplished. and at times i do these things without realizing or trying.
going back a ways in this excessivly long post, ... if you are interested in prophecy as your goal, ... i'd recommend against it. while the future may seem promising, and "don't shoot the messenger", you've still got to live with it, and not all insights have happy endings. and seeing the future is nothing more then seeing a "possible" future, nothing is set in stone, your life and future should be your own, people need to look forward to living their own lives, instead of looking forward to sitting in the passenger seat. be the driver of your own life, make your own future, decide what you want and what you don't want. if a psychic told you you'd be getting oranges and you wanted apples, then go get apples. it's not that the psychic is/was wrong, it's that you decided you didn't want oranges, so you changed your future to something you do want. be the driver, not the passenger in your life, prophecy is what it is, seeing a possibility, what is likely to happen, but no one says you have to live a life that is preordained and like it, no one says you absolutly are going to follow "this particular life", don't be a sheep, don't be a passenger, be the driver. | |
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| Are all mediums frauds? Posted: 11/30/2006 6:25:34 AM | Fear of the unknown. Those that have contact with the after life can not just ring them up or knock on their door. They get messages from beyond, they are chosen by those that have gone before to be vessels through which messages are passed. It is a gift (or a curse) placed on a chosen person. Messages from beyond are recorded from centuries before Christ, they have nothing to do with religion as such for we are all souls who will pass into the after life. | |
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| Are all mediums frauds? Posted: 1/1/2007 8:42:45 AM | lol it's ok sister don't let satan steal your glory...people who attack are only led by who? remember dont cast your pearls before swine for they know not the gift of the Holy spirit which Jesus himself gave to us before acsending into the heavens to sit at the right hand of the father we who dwell and live with this holy spirit in us have been granted a wonderfull blessing we are lucky to have been given the knowlege of the power and understanding of the spiritual realm which is all around us and we should focus on our own walk with God especially in these final days when satan is running rampid on this earth to devour the souls of the children of God whom he hates I myself have noticed an increase in my spiritual battles with satan though he knows he can never convince me to denownce my Lord and savior he does still attempt to catch me off guard for a quick laugh at best but he well knows he who laughs last laughs best ...Im sticking with God  | |
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| Are all mediums frauds? Posted: 1/1/2007 9:54:51 AM | Are all mediums frauds?
I don’t know what Chiropractors have to do with this and I’m baffled that this Satan guy can talk to 4 billion humans at the same time and come close to overthrowing the supposedly all-powerful Creator of the Universe but here’s the short answer – yup, absolutely!
Oh a lot of “mediums” think they have these special powers or abilities so even if they are not going around purposely committing fraud on others they are at least fooling themselves. After all, it's fun and empowering for people to believe their favorite fantasies are real.
Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to go make some tea and figure out whether the position of space rocks made me good or evil at the moment that I came out of my mother’s womb naturally…or maybe it was when labor was induced…or when the C-section was scheduled by the doctor – that’s it! It was the doctor's schedule. The doctor is responsible for my personality and everything that happens in my life. Wow! And if it was the doctor then [insert dramatic movie score music here]…the doctor must be [insert dramatic pregnant pause]…GOD!
Thanks POF. I just had an epiphany. Halleluiah! Praise Dr. Wilson!

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| Are all mediums frauds? Posted: 1/1/2007 11:49:32 AM | A famous defender of the Christian faith, Walter Martin, wrote a great book called, Kingdom of the Cults. When he delt with this matter he came to the conclussion that some who claim to be mediums are the real deal...
When I watch Sylvia Brown I am very amazed. I have come to the conclussion that she is either the real deal, or I think that just about everybody in the room is in on it...
Maybe the question should be, "Are mediums good?"... Orthodox religion, whether it be Christian, Judaism, or Islam would believe in Dueteronomy 18:9-12. | |
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| Are all mediums frauds? Posted: 1/1/2007 11:49:43 AM | A famous defender of the Christian faith, Walter Martin, wrote a great book called, Kingdom of the Cults. When he delt with this matter he came to the conclussion that some who claim to be mediums are the real deal...
When I watch Sylvia Brown I am very amazed. I have come to the conclussion that she is either the real deal, or I think that just about everybody in the room is in on it...
Maybe the question should be, "Are mediums good?"... Orthodox religion, whether it be Christian, Judaism, or Islam would believe in Dueteronomy 18:9-12. | |
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| Are all mediums frauds? Posted: 1/1/2007 12:20:38 PM |
I have to believe that they are not all frauds.
Look at the number of them that are now being used in police work. I am sure they get paid by the police department, yet they seem to be able to help track things down, when the cops are at a loss.
^^^ Yes and it is truly uncanny what the legit ones can accomplish! Think about the ones who have tracked down missing people, etc. before harm could come to them.
For those who are referencing God... isn't it possible a few might actually have this gift instilled in them and use it for good, (practically non monetary and some totally none) non profit works. | |
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| Are all mediums frauds? Posted: 1/1/2007 2:07:53 PM | you are greatly mis informed my friend .....1st in this following statement
satan & devils & demons aren't looking to spread evil & chaos for the sake of spreading evil and chaos, they're spreading it because the emotions that others bring up, all those negative feelings and thoughts, is like food to them. or at least without any of those negative feelings those demons would vanish, that is so not true their sole objective is to win souls to join them in eternal damnation because in doing so it seperates us from God who created us to relationship with him and dwell in glory so with each fallen soul he sheds another tear which brings satan joy to his evil twisted heart because he hates God and only lives to hurt God through decieving another one of his creation ....its this simple in a nut shell 1st there is God the creator of the Heavens and earth ...he created the angels ...satan was his most beautiful angel but satan wanted to be God so he worked his manipulations and convinced 1/3 of the angels to side with him as they attempted to over throw God which was not possible and God being the spirit of love in its most purest form which is agape in nature decided to grant satan whom he loved so much his wish and casted them all down to planet earth to rule over the creatures of the land ...then God created adam and eve to dwell in paradise with him and gave them the beautiful garden of eden a paradise full of fruitfull things to eat and gave them 1 comand never to eat the fruit of 1 tree in the garden 1 tree out of millions "the fruit of the tree of power truth knowlege and understanding but satan in the form of a serpent tricked eve into believing God said that to keep them ignorant and from becoming Gods themselves and well we all know she took satans word and all hell broke loose which caused them to be driven away from paradise in to the land of the unknown ...that is when pain and suffering killing etc came in to the picture ''''you see that is why when satan tricks another person in to believing his lies God cries for another soul which will be seprerated from him ... he plans to make it all right the way he had intended when new jerusulem is restored which is the garden of eden we who are Gods faithfull will indeed live as he had originally intended remember it is by our own free will that we shall seal our own fate where will you choose to live out eternity
#2 you are misleading people in to blaming God you tell me who's fault is it really that parents for many generations chose to live by what they felt was best for themselves iinstead of communication thru relationship with God and living his will for our lives we forgot the basics "dont look to man look to me " in other words Only God is perfect we as humans fall way short... it is wrong for us to blame God for the failure of men and priest who represent the church we should turn the finger away from God and put the blame on ourselves for looking to men instead of God we are to blame for forgetting the basics dont look to man look to me in that statement God say's it all thanks  | |
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| Are all mediums frauds? Posted: 1/17/2007 6:42:12 PM |
Slyvia Browne
Spell it right, ...still a fraud and a con artist.
Prove me wrong?
Sylvia clock:
http://www.randi.org/sylvia/index.html | |
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| Are all mediums frauds? Posted: 1/22/2007 12:18:56 PM | No...not all are frauds. The trouble is, there are so many frauds out there who stand to prove that most would seem to be.
Testing the ability of mediumship, or any other 'psychic' abilities is something I think we may never find a way to truley do. However, confirmation is always nice and it is out there...but being the society we are, from the society we have derived from, we might always second guess any confirmations received.
Even the best psychic's question their abilities at one point or another...its in our nature as human beings to question things. And even those 'best' psychics are not accurate 100% of the time, as their abilities are still being filtered through their own perceptions of whatever messages, visions, or thoughts they pick up on.
But frauds? No...not all. There are genuine people (in general) out there in this great big world; whether they are waitresses, lawyers, mothers, teachers...ect. Frauds ARE everywhere, but so are the truthful ones. And so it is with mediums too.
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| Are all mediums frauds? Posted: 1/22/2007 6:27:46 PM | people inside of what church ? Not true hinn is a very Godly man ! he is doing the Lords work you guys are misinformed and don't have a clue what you are saying and no mediums are not all frauds  | |
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| Are all mediums frauds? Posted: 1/22/2007 11:58:46 PM | Doing the Lord's work...
Interesting...well if this thread is a discussion of fraudulent mediumship I would say that door is swinging both ways now and wide enough to admit this interesting article through the crack...http://www.randi.org/jr/2006-05/051206benny.html
BENNY HINN TUMBLES IN DENMARK Correspondent Claus Larsen, in Denmark, gives us an account of the recent appearance in Copenhagen of televangelist Benny Hinn:
On April 28-30, faith healer Benny Hinn, whose ministry rakes in millions of dollars each year from sick, deluded and desperate people, held a three-day seminar in central Copenhagen. Over 20,000 people attended, from all over the world. Let there be no doubt about it: It was a huge success. On www.BennyHinn.dk you can read about how the "Benny Hinn Crusade Reaches the Whole Nation." TV2, one of the two major Danish domestic tv-channels, Saturday night April 29th, broadcast a 2½-minute-long feature prime time on the TV2 7 p.m. News. This gave the whole nation of Denmark the opportunity to catch a glimpse of the message of Jesus Christ as the Savior of all mankind, Benny Hinn version.
Curiously enough, there was absolutely no mention of a 13-minute feature on DR, the biggest Danish TV channel. Or, maybe not so curiously, because that feature took the skeptical approach, instead of the uncritical segment on TV2. Øjvind Kyrø, who also produced the television series "A Sense of Deceit" (www.randi.org/jr/060603.html and www.randi.org/jr/040403.html) took a crew from DR to the show, with permission to film what turned out to be a killer performance.
It was heart-breaking. Among the many sick and handicapped, we followed a 9-year-old girl, Kisser, who is suffering from a crippled spine, immobilized from the navel down, and thus confined to a wheelchair, probably for life. Her father had his hopes up from the start. Benny Hinn simply had to, one way or another, cure his daughter. "Today, it may be Kisser's turn", he said, with the girl on his lap. "We don't know if it is, but we will keep on, until it is. We have to."
Randi comments: Here is Hinn at his devious best. I’m reminded of the Toronto encounter I had with him. The parents of a little boy about eight years old tried desperately to get by the security lineup at the back of the main floor, and finally burst through carrying the child up to the foot of the stage, shouting that they had been to several of these meetings, but had always been denied access to the stage area. The child appeared to have some sort of palsy, and was twitching and crying out sporadically. Coolly, Hinn beckoned to them to come onstage, first whispering something to a guard.
The couple approached, Hinn took the boy in his arms, the lights came down to highlight him, and he said – from my memory, since this item was excised from the program as it was broadcast – “Lord, we pray that you will heal this innocent child. Do it now, or in a day or two, or a week, or whenever your great wisdom tells you. But we know you will heal him, as you have promised.” Hinn handed the child to a guard, then burst into song. Two more guards closed in, and forced the parents down the side stairs and into the hall leading out of the stadium. They unlocked the chained door and pushed all three out into the street. The parents’ objections were drowned in the music and hosannas…
Though this was videotaped by the Hinn organization, it was of course never used in the sanitized broadcast that went out after editing. Claus continues…
Thus, the stage was set, and the play could begin. Looking more like a rock concert than a sermon, it took several hours of uplifting singing, praying and hollering before Benny Hinn appeared. A large number of security guards, flown in from the US, made sure that everything happened the way it should. And Benny Hinn had hardly appeared on stage, before he gave the order: He whispered to an aide with a microphone, and then stared right into the main camera. After which, the camera was ordered to be shut off.
His spokesperson, Truett Hancock, explained: "The unfortunate truth is, the media has not really given us a fair deal, in reporting on the miracles that have taken place, and so we've just had to make the decision to avoid allowing the media to do that." In other words, "You guys don't tell it the way we want it, so you can't film what's really going on."
Fortunately, Øjvind Kyrø had anticipated this, and had placed hidden cameras elsewhere. What they filmed was the usual shtick, described in your book, "The Faith Healers": Lofty promises of miracles galore, hours of mindless droning, the most gullible being filtered before allowed on stage, old ladies jumping about, glowing endorsements from the gullible afterwards. Miracles were happening all over the place: Somebody was being healed of a skin disease to the right. Someone's spine had been healed. Some could feel a fire in their body. Some could even feel a "warm sensation in their bodies.” These people were never named, of course. Who wants to check, when the Holy Spirit – in the form of Benny Hinn – is at work? Many people in the audience were in ecstasy. The blessed – and most malleable – few, who were lucky enough, made it to the stage. A child, suffering a brain tumor to be operated the upcoming week, was promised that God's power had already begun to work in her body. An elderly lady could stroll without her walker. A woman with bone cancer could wiggle her arms and legs (with Benny Hinn mimicking her movements, in one of the most cruel, mocking scenes I have ever seen). After these miraculous healings, Benny Hinn touched their foreheads, or threw bolts of God's healing power at them, and, BAM!, down they went, in a frenzied ecstasy.
Randi comments: Those who are admitted to the stage are all very carefully chosen, as I indicated above. As with all the so-called “faith healers,” anyone in a customized wheelchair, anyone showing an amputation or other obviously untreatable disability, is barred from the stage area and kept at the back of the auditorium where there are no TV lights. In the lobby afterward, there are often victims writhing on the floor, having recovered from the adrenaline rush they underwent when first touched by the “healer.” They are ignored by those leaving the arena, since they’d “lost the faith” and were once again in the thrall of Satan.
One could almost smell the endorphins. And there was never any role-playing. Oh, no. Only Britney Spears could have done a worse acting job.
Unfortunately, the little girl with a damaged back did not regain her health – she had to drive home with her parents, disappointed. She did, however, had a more pronounced desire to stand up and walk than she had before. Somehow, I think her parents hoped more than she did. She never looked as if she believed anything would happen anyway. Which, in the Land of Faith Healing, means that she is to blame for Benny Hinn's failure. If you are cured, it is the work of God (through the faith healer). If you are not cured, it is because you haven't believed enough.
But desperation breeds hope, hope springs eternal, and hope will make people pay. The collection of money (cash, checks or plastic) in white buckets to fund these "crusades," while songs of the promise of upcoming miracles churned out from the stage, made it very clear: "Prosperity Teaching" means that you can be healed, but only if you pay up. You have to "plant a seed," before you can bask in the grace of Hinn… sorry, God. A true Faustian deal with the devil.
And then, it was time for rationality to kick in on the Øjvind Kyrø show. A psychiatrist, Henrik Day Poulsen, explained that Hinn was merely using very simple but powerful methods to control people to give him money. He made it clear that it was extremely unethical to lure people to believe that e.g. a small child with a brain tumor could be cured in a second.
Michael Ahlstrand, magician and skeptic, who was both at the show and in the studio afterwards, aptly explained what was really going on, complete with a brief demonstration of how a person could be "hypnotized." Cool, calm, and collected, he gave a sound, rational explanation, thoroughly countering everything that had happened.
It was a very, very good show, exposing Benny Hinn's money-grubbing scheme of exploiting the sick and gullible, his voluptuous stays in hyper-expensive hotels (he reportedly stayed at the Copenhagen Marriott, in the Royal Suite, costing over $3,000 a night), and his refusal to let a free press operate, even turning down an interview – which he never gives. The skeptics were able to explain, calmly, honestly and seriously, how Benny Hinn operated. Only the most desperate would believe in Benny Hinn after that feature. Which, I'm afraid, they will.
Not a single newspaper had any follow-ups, though. Ah, well... Can't have it all, I suppose.
We can assume that Hinn will simply move on, wait for Øjvind’s efforts to be forgotten, and return to Denmark when he wants some more kroner. And the audience – new victims and the old ones – will be there, ready to be conned…
Thank you, Claus.
Pretty fricking wretched...if that guy is working for the Lord, He'd seriously better consider sending a memo down to the angels in HR and get that guy sent his walking papers...

For some more charming anecdotes about the man who "Throws the bodies to the floor"... see the classic page at ratbags.com, home of all that is looneytoon and flakey on the net http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/bennyhinn.htm | |
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| Are all mediums frauds? Posted: 1/23/2007 7:02:28 AM | Why stop at mediums? Psychologists don't use "hard" science when they counsel people. If the advise helps whether it's through a psychic or a minister/priest or shrink then so be it. As with any profession there are frauds taking advantage of others. Heck, look at our president!javascript:smilie(' ') javascript:smilie(' ') | |
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| Are all mediums frauds? Posted: 1/25/2007 7:05:22 PM | | only the ones that charge $1.99 a minute. Basically its a scam. | |
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| Are all mediums frauds? Posted: 1/26/2007 3:45:55 AM | No, I don't believe they are. But certainly, there are charlatans among us! I and the few I trust take our work very seriously. In take this as a responsibility (that I certainly didn't ask for) when I channel for someone. Unfortunately, there the trusting individuals who will cling to any advice, hope, direction...when they are desperate. This is when the fraud reveals themselves as they seek their own reward from their fellow person's misery and fear. They will encourage more phone calls, especially if it's a per minute charge, and promise "spell-work" will remove the demons or negativity around a situation...for a price, of course. Then they offer to mail this poor soul potions and notions of all kinds...for a price, of course. And, there are "special quarterly predictions"....for a price, of course.
If you truly care about your client, act in their best interest, look to serve a Higher Purpose or Greater Good, (in my case, I keep asking, "God, why did you pick me this stuff??"), you charge less when you can, (sometimes not at all if you feel that's the right thing to do in THAT situation because the person truly needs the help and can't afford it), and say a prayer or light a candle for all those you channel for, asking God to take care of their needs in the way that is best for them.
It's not rocket science....it's heart and soul caring!
Thanks for the opportunity to respond....happy Friday!....carolann | |
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| Are all mediums frauds? Posted: 1/29/2007 8:25:42 PM | I believe that everyone possesses a gift or talent. I think we are all sensitive in some ways. I think there are people who are more in tune with themselves and more sensitive to their surroundings - these are the people that can see and feel what others can not. I totally believe that there are frauds out there as much as I believe there are truly genuine people with special talents. Gypsy | |
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