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Posted: 9/14/2005 8:48:59 PM | Why would demons "help" out someone? Easy. To mislead them.
As far as supernatural healings go outside of Christian circles, I would ask the same question as I would for an alleged "Christian" healing. Can you provide documented proof of healing of a disease? Has the healing been verified by a Medical Doctor and the person pronounced "cured". I would use the same criteria whether Christian or not. | |
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Posted: 9/14/2005 8:55:51 PM | | Hey, RD. I must have missed something. Who was talking "familiar spirits?" I can't seem to find the start of that. And, for input, demons, when given their own lead, can deceive, use, mislead and harm people. But, by the same token, all challenges, including the demonic can be valued for what they teach us about ourselves and the strengths they force us to find in order to overcome them. | |
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| Are all mediums frauds? The question from a Troll no less...
Posted: 9/14/2005 9:53:47 PM | Feral-- But how do they know it really is the Holy Spirit is man is so easily duped by Satan and his minions? I mean if I can't trust my heart and instincts how are they anymore able to trust theirs? And further how do they know that the so-called visions, messages and healing miracles that were recorded in the Bible are any more holy than so-called Benny Hin Faith healing today? I mean if I am being duped than I gotta say so are they, no matter what they claim the bible says. I mean why should I trust 2000-year-old records of ancient people who were likely schizophrenic or something any more than RDtoo would trust his local psychic that is alive and working today?
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Posted: 9/14/2005 10:05:33 PM | Not necessarily just Christians, again, Cat. I've seen plenty of folks let their demons get control, whether they believed in them or not...
Important point, there, though. Trust faith, stick with it. I like that. Trust yourself, I like that, too. Just as long as it's trust and faith, and not overconfidence, I think we may be onto something... | |
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| Are all mediums frauds? The question from a Troll no less...
Posted: 9/14/2005 10:20:40 PM | LOL when you can tell me the exact right road to God RDtoo then we will talk until then I will just watch you troll the threads.
So which denomination is the right one? And how do these folks know that what they think is the Holy Spirit is not actually Satan messing with their heads?
I mean if mediums can be duped so can Christians...
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Posted: 9/14/2005 10:30:27 PM | | Dude, you two should get married. Yes, marry and raise fat, atheist babies! And I'll perform the Wiccaning ablution baptism in the name of Shiva!! Let us all dance now around the crock pot and pray for lobster! | |
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Posted: 9/14/2005 10:30:42 PM | RDtoo-- No I am just using the same convoluted logic you offer re *familiar spirits*. That being he case what makes Christians think they are any Safer from Satan then the rest of us who they judge to be doomed?
So tell me which flavour of Christianity is the right way to God and how can I be sure that the Holy Spirit is what it is said to be?
Other than that I have got to say that if Satan can deceive mediums with so called *familiar spirits* then why not with something Christians call the Holy Spirit?
And IF I am avoiding lol I guess I will have to thank you for being such a good teacher of the method of posting in these forums!
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Posted: 9/14/2005 10:38:13 PM | | You are trying to draw me into a flame war again and I won't go there. I am going to end it with this about your absurd logic. You make a statement about non-Christian healings and then try to act like I was the one who started it when I called you on it. You are doing the same thing with this insistence on what the right denomination is. You want to know the right one? Any denomination that believes all of what the Apostles Creed states is the right denomination. | |
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Posted: 9/14/2005 10:45:48 PM | But, getting away from breaking the rules like the mo-fo I am...
I think the issue at stake re: the op is whether or not any of us can truly trust the "inspired" revelations of anyone else.
In fact, without any kind of external and assured standard, how can we trust our own apprehensions of the world and its spiritual workings? Gets ugly, fast, and like DesCartes, we're stuck having to bite the big one and just accede an external authority (God) and a means to know its will (the Bible, among others).
The choice of what to trust and accept on a faith level is personal, but it is affected by our upbringing and observations and the logic we follow regarding the two.
So, since none of us is the same, we're bound to butt heads eventually, particularly when, in order to preserve our sanity in an apparently cold, impersonal universe that seems almost built to destroy its own constituent parts, the one thing that allows each individual to cling to his own sanity by denying his rational observations is put into question by the mere existence of someone else who possesses like faculties, yet focuses them in a different direction.
Yeah. Can't we all just...get along?
I say agree to disagree. Sure, it's fun to compare notes and suchlike, but no need to get vicious. On either side of the debate. | |
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Posted: 9/14/2005 10:51:08 PM | RDtoo-- my absurd logic is just mirroring yours. You cannot tell me that Christians are any less likely to be deceived by the Devil re your notion of *familiar spirits* than the believers of any other faith that believes in spirit agency. There is no difference between your so-called Holy Spirit and any other name that might be given to the spirit energy that is around all of us.
The only difference is that I see these spiritual energies as a normal, natural part of life and you see them something a kin to miracles or something to be feared and shunned. Well ok but what makes you think that the Holy Spirit is not just familiar spirit designed to fit what Christians believe?
Any denomination that believes all of what the Apostles Creed states is the right denomination.
Ahh so you are RC??? hmmm I am sure many would beg to differ with you on your last comment here but at least we see what direction you are coming from.
Re spiritual healing... well it would not matter what documentation I gave you would find fault with it because it would of course be non Christian and thus challenge your beliefs in ways that you just could not handle.
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Posted: 9/14/2005 11:02:01 PM | My little world?? You are the one with convoluted logic about something called *familiar spirits* and yet cannot give me any proof that the Holy Spirit is not just another one of those dreaded *familiar spirits*...
Ah well night night...
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Posted: 9/15/2005 6:24:23 AM |
I am assuming that by familiar spirits you mean demons or bad entities? if that is the case, why would a demon, representative of Satan supposidly, want to help man by giving someone a vision? I mean isn't it the christian theory that demons are out to destroy man, not HELP them? So,, your theory makes no sense to me.
Satan is the father of lies. Someone getting a vision that might appear good to them, may actually not be good. We don't know everything just what appears on the surface. let me give you an extreme example.....
A "Seer" tells a customer to buy a lottery ticket that they will win great amounts of money. The client does that and wins. However once they win, the money causes more bad than good. their spouse skips out on the marriage with most of it, a neighbour sues for slipping in front of the house etc....
Also...some people begin to put more faith into seers than in God. That is a direct violation of commandment #1.
I don't have all the answers. So I have to put my faith and trust in the scripture. And scripture is plain when it comes to these matters. | |
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