| Are all mediums frauds? The question from a Troll no less...
Posted: 9/15/2005 6:42:33 AM |
That is a direct violation of commandment #1.
/gag.
Now that I have had a chance to clear my throat of that, I have some experience in the healing art known as Reiki.
When I use it on myself to alleviate day-to-day aches and pains such as headaches and muscle pulls, it works. 100% of the time, for me.
I do not proclaim myself to be a meduim, or faith healer, I just studied this art for a long time and learned how to apply it in my day-to-day life, it also goes very well with a message and is extremely relaxing.
I have heard reports from highly skilled Reiki Masters of cancer being removed, pain being allevited for back injuries and all sorts of stuff, while I have not experienced or tried this, I am sure that for some, it has worked.
Is that proof positive, no it is not, but it is proof enough for me to know it works..........for me.
Is it a demon providing the energy, no I don't think so since I don't call to demons for the energy. There are lots of web pages on this ancient art, feel free to research them and see if it is something you like, it is taught all over the world, check it out if it catches your fancy. If nothing else, you may learn a few great techniques for pulling and capturing energy. | |
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| Are all mediums frauds? The question from a Troll no less...
Posted: 9/15/2005 8:17:48 AM | Satan is the father of lies. Someone getting a vision that might appear good to them, may actually not be good. We don't know everything just what appears on the surface. let me give you an extreme example.....
A "Seer" tells a customer to buy a lottery ticket that they will win great amounts of money. The client does that and wins. However once they win, the money causes more bad than good. their spouse skips out on the marriage with most of it, a neighbour sues for slipping in front of the house etc....
And you know this from what experience? First off at least where I come from and on most of the sites I work for which are US sites this kind of thing is illegal-- Lottery/money readings etc can get a medium fined and put out of work. I have never done such a thing, as this is not what being a medium is about! Is your example based on first hand knowledge? If it is, which I doubt, I am sorry you got duped by and unscrupulous psychic. But as they say what goes around comes around and anyone who does this to a client will surely get the same negativity back in kind. You see any medium worth their salt knows that for every action there is a reaction and that they have personal responsibility for what they do! Unlike the Christian that blames every bad behaviour and happening on Satan so as to avoid any real personal responsibility!
Also...some people begin to put more faith into seers than in God. That is a direct violation of commandment #1.
Given that then where does faith healing fit in? | |
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| Are all mediums frauds? The question from a Troll no less...
Posted: 9/15/2005 8:29:20 AM | RD,
I notice that you ask a lot of questions towards the non christians on here. Usually very pointed questions.
Then when they aren't answered you usually make some nasty remark about them not having an answer.
I personally have asked you several questions that you have dodged, walked around or just ignored. I have attempted to be pleasant about it, and at some point ask the question again only to get the same results.
I would be careful of pointing fingers at people for doing exactly what I have seen you do repeatedly.
your answer to Cat about she didn't deserve an answer was really beneath you, and I have to agree with her, that you are not the one to determine who deserves an answer.
It is very similar to the priest that turned me out of the church when my father was dying, because I wasn't a member, he determined I wasn't worthy of the comfort from god.
There are always going to be people that put more faith in something other then the Divine.
Mediums are there as a resource to help people with life decisions. They don't judge nor do the TELL someone what to do with their lives, they give them whatever message they are given. Just like a priest giving the message that god was giving.
Then it is up to the person that has been given the information to interpret it and accept the message. | |
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| Are all mediums frauds? The question from a Troll no less...
Posted: 9/15/2005 8:46:42 AM | dddynamic-- I mean really if it was so easy to get those lotto numbers why would the medium give them to the client and not just use them him or herself? I can tell you I have yet to be given that kind of information from Spirit and that is not what mediumship is about anyway. Rather it is about helping people find spirituality and balance of mind, body and spirit in their lives. And abuse of such message work is a bad thing that most mediums would not risk.
Also...some people begin to put more faith into seers than in God. That is a direct violation of commandment #1.
Given that then where does faith healing fit in? Seems to me that the so-called Holy Spirit is separate from God and might be considered a *familiar spirit* as per RDtoo's definition. Also if one is only supposed to worship one God and place no other Gods before him where does Jesus fit in? Seems to me that the OT commandment is being broken by the NT focus on Jesus as saviour, Son of God, and God in human form.
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Posted: 9/15/2005 5:54:56 PM | Does anyone know what a medium is? It's someone who can receive contact from those who've passed on. They are not fortune tellers or predictors. They receive messages from spirits who want to contact the living. Some people are more attuned and developed in receiving this information. A psychic is someone who can read the aura or energy of someone. They can't predict the future because we all have free will, but can "guesstimate" what you may do going by your past decisions and your emotions that they feel. But we all have to live our lives so if someone tells you something is going to happen tomorrow, you'll just sit there expecting it to happen. And mediums are also psychic, but not all psychics are mediums.  | |
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| Are all mediums frauds? The question from a Troll no less...
Posted: 9/15/2005 6:07:16 PM | I'm developing my psychic skills so nice to meet you. People see these "fortune tellers" and think that's what it's all about...basically it's because that's what the media has always portrayed so people really don't understand what it's about. Most people I've talked to, once it's explained, they realize it's totally different than they were lead to believe.  | |
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Posted: 9/15/2005 6:15:43 PM | yankeentxs--Yep those that want to understand usually ask and those who don't usually just bash what they have no real experience with. Have to look at where judgments and commentary are coming from based on the level of real knowledge of other faiths. Most folks are ignorant but that is not totally their fault when all they have is media and Hollywood examples to judge by. Others choose to let their church tell them how to think and what to think and never think to consider that what they are being told is false
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Posted: 9/15/2005 6:34:32 PM | The point is Robert RDtoo was on about *familiar spirits* who is to say that the Holy Spirit is not just another *familiar spirit*? If mediums can be fooled so can Christians and you have no way of proving to me that I should trust the Bible any more than I can tell you to trust Sylvia Browne. If I cannot trust my instincts, intellect and my heart to guide me than neither can any of you folks.
And as a medium I worship God. Christians are the ones that break the first commandment by worshiping Jesus. So how do you follow OT laws and mix that with NT teachings that obviously go against the OT. Then you folks say we are to follow the Bible to the letter? Hmmm how are we supposed to do that when it contradicts itself?
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| Are all mediums frauds? For money they are.
Posted: 9/15/2005 6:45:13 PM | Well, I have pretty much gone on record here as saying that anyone promising a supernatural experience, on demand, is selling snake oil.
As for the Holy Spirit/Familiar Spirit thing, I actually have a simple answer.
If the Holy Spirit wanted to talk to me, it would be done directly, with no intermediary or medium needed between us. And the Holy Spirit would not ask me for fifty bucks.
Therefore if it takes a medium and fifty bucks for me to communicate with a spirit, it is not the Holy Spirit at all. It is just a slick money grab. What would the dead, or even a demon want with my fifty bucks?
Furthermore, if the Holy Spirit spoke to me, with a message for someone else, how unspeakably immoral would it be for me to say to someone " God gave me a message for you, just give me a fifty and I will share it with you. No money, no meassage from the Holy Spirit"
Surely,and deservedly God would strike me down with great vengence for such an act. | |
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| Are all mediums frauds? For money they are.
Posted: 9/15/2005 7:00:29 PM | Ahhh but Christian ministers make a living on dispensing God's word and healing. So tell me again what the difference is? And I can tell you that they are making more than most psychics/ mediums could ever hope make. And if anyone should be struck down for the immoral use of God's word I would start with Benny Hin, Pat Roberson and Jerry Fallwell and work my way down.
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| Are all mediums frauds? For money they are.
Posted: 9/15/2005 7:09:05 PM | | Like I said before, I would start with Benny Hinn and Jimmy Swaggart. I agree completely with your comparison of the fraud of mediumship to the fraud of cheesy televangelisim. However Benny Hinn being a liar does not in any way alter the fact that mediums are also frauds. | |
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| Are all mediums frauds? For money they are.
Posted: 9/15/2005 7:19:14 PM | No not all mediums are frauds just as not all ministers are frauds... But the point is you say that we should not make money for what we do and yet, ministers of all faiths are supported by their congregations. If everyone would realize that the psychic abilities are open to each and every one of us then I would be out of business and glad for it. But the Christian church would also be out of business also and that would be even better IMO.
Most of what I do is teach people to listen what God is saying to them. Most of the work I do I do free of charge. But like your ministers who are kept by their flock some people do pay for my time and services and they are usually pleased with what they get for the money and in turn I put that money back into my studies to become a Spiritualist Minister.
Frankly, several clients told me that I was cheaper than a psychologist and made a heck of a lot more sense too.
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| Are all mediums frauds? For money they are.
Posted: 9/15/2005 7:26:02 PM | Any ministers who directly charges money for a spiritual service is a fraud.
I am actually quite uncomfortable with the idea of professional clergy in general. God does not need intermediaries to get between him and us. | |
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Posted: 9/15/2005 7:42:17 PM | Well on that point I agree but too many folks don't even know how to pray or meditate, and even fewer realize that they can have a direct connection to God and that psychic abilities are just like the rest of our senses. And when these are used correctly we then can attune to God and hear what is there for us to know, learn and do.
My hope is that some day all people know how to connect naturally to God and that organized religion is a thing of the past. Until then I am here to teach folks that they are spiritual beings and that allows them a connection to God that does not require a minister or any particular holy book. If one finds inspiration in a holy book great but one should be just as able to find inspiration in a beautiful poem or heart-warming story. One should not be required to pick one holy book and then be told how to understand and learn from it. But if one is going to choose a particular holy book then he or she better make an effort to understand it in historical, social and political context as he or she attempts to apply whatever teachings it provides to his or her life. Lack of proper religious training in any chosen tradition is not acceptable and those who take the word of a minister as to what this passage or that passage means without investigating things for themselves are just as guilty of fraud as the minister who may or may not be misleading them. Religion is to be studied not preached IMO.
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| Are all mediums frauds? The question from a Troll no less...
Posted: 9/15/2005 8:53:16 PM | SFL, the only question I can remember you asking me that I haven't answered is did I read that link yet. No, I did not. At this point I am not sure where that link is posted. If you post it again, I pledge to read it.
As for my answer to Spiritual Cat that she did not deserve an answer, was somewhat harsh, but I feel she was asking the question to riducule the answer. So, my reply was not all that crude. SFL, though you and I disagree pretty much about our entire beliefs, I find you a reasonable person. Spiritual Cat on the other hand has bashed me in at least 25 different postings. Yet you do not chastise her for those remarks when I am not doing any name calling back at her. Would you care to address that? | |
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Posted: 9/16/2005 4:39:12 AM | RD, this is the link you requested.
source:http://www.tombofjesus.com/flower.htm
Maybe you missed it, but I have called Cat to task for some of her harsher comments.
I personally don't feel we get anywhere by slamming each others posts.
With religion as with other topics that people feel strongly about, personal feelings come into play and there is not always the material to back them up.
I hate to see a thread disolve into name calling and nastiness it doesnt' make any of the points or the posters look any better.
Unfortunately when you attack someones personal belief system no matter what it is tempers have a tendency to fly. | |
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Posted: 9/16/2005 5:13:37 AM | | A psychic or medium has bills to pay like everyone else, and have to make a living. Doctors charge, nurses don't work for free, priests and ministers get paid, they have to eat. Why is it so wrong if a medium charges. Mediumship isn't a religion,it's not saything there is no God or Jesus, it's a gift they have or have developed where they can receive contact from passed loved ones. And a medium can't just say, "Uncle Joe, c'mon down" and he'll come. There's no guarantee that the spirit you want to speak to wishes to contact you. And no one really knows for sure what happens after we die, everyone has their own beliefs. You need to believe in something, it helps anyway, so whatever you believe is right for you, but it doesn't mean everyone else is wrong.....because no one really knows for sure. It's all faith, and we all have our own ideas and beliefs and our own faith in them. | |
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Posted: 9/16/2005 5:15:15 AM | | PS: If a "fortune teller" tells you it will take $500 to rid you of evil spells or tells you to give them money and something good will happen or that you should buy something, run like hell cause they're frauds. | |
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Posted: 9/16/2005 8:04:16 AM |
Mediumship isn't a religion,it's not saything there is no God or Jesus, it's a gift they have or have developed where they can receive contact from passed loved ones.
I would say I have to disagree with you on that. There is a religion where the main focus is to study and teach mediumship. It is called Spiritualism. And in my experience the best mediums are those who can let go of old religious ideas and allow spirit to guide them in their work.
Mixing Spiritualism with other faiths that see it as a sin just adds to the confusion for the seeker and if they do get into mediumship their messages reflect that confusion as like energy draws to like according to the Natural Law of Attraction.
Spiritualism is also based on the principle of personal responsibility something that religions with a saviour and a belief in the devil cannot offer.
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Posted: 9/16/2005 8:06:49 AM |
PS: If a "fortune teller" tells you it will take $500 to rid you of evil spells or tells you to give them money and something good will happen or that you should buy something, run like hell cause they're frauds.
And report them to the authorities because at least where I am from this is illegal and can lead to fines and jail time for the psychic that tries such tricks.
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| Are all mediums frauds? The question from a Troll no less...
Posted: 9/16/2005 11:39:29 PM |
Christians are the ones that break the first commandment by worshiping Jesus.
Christians believe that Jesus is God. So with all due respect, that statement makes no sense what so ever.
My comments about what I believe about mediums and the sort...Is not saying that I am better than them. I am only following the Bible that I was shown to be true to me. There is no debate. You are free to believe what you wish. As am I. I respectfully agree to..disagree. No bashing. Just disagree. | |
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