| Are all mediums frauds? The question from a Troll no less...
Posted: 9/17/2005 6:22:10 AM | Christians believe that Jesus is God. So with all due respect, that statement makes no sense what so ever.
Christians get the OT from the Jewish Torah. Jews do not believe that Jesus is God. And they do believe that Jesus was not a Prophet and certainly that he did not fulfil over 2000 prophesies of the Torah. And so the NT contradicts the OT/Torah and breaks the first commandment that Moses was given by God and was no Messiah in either the Jewish or Christian sense of the word. Most Jews see him as a Jewish criminal who went against Gods laws and was condemned for doing so according to the practice of the time. How does my statement not make sense?
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Posted: 9/17/2005 8:01:09 AM | Hey, how did we get here?
I am so lost thought we were discussing mediums. | |
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Posted: 9/17/2005 8:12:14 AM | Well these comments re Christianity come out of the nonsense from RDtoo re *familiar spirits*. Like I said how do Christians know that the Holy Spirit is not just a *familiar spirit*?
As you can see they have nothing to answer my comment on that idea and so we have gotten here from there. | |
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| Are all mediums frauds?
Posted: 9/17/2005 8:18:01 AM | Some mediums are frauds and some are not frauds
Same as most other types of people
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Posted: 9/17/2005 8:27:13 AM | longte-- Yep very simple and yet some folks make a big deal about it and make assumptions about how mediumship works and what it is about based on no concrete experience... Always amazes me the audacity of such folks.
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Posted: 9/17/2005 8:29:49 AM | Cat,
That is why I started the other thread, so this one wouldn't get hi-jacked with other type of arguements. LOL guess it really didnt' do any good.
RD? you gonna come visit the other thread since your comment started it? | |
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Posted: 9/17/2005 9:03:15 AM | SFL thanks for trying to help LOL don't worry about the damage done to this thread... It is a hazard that comes with mediumistic territory, especially when dealing with Christians.
And since RDtoo brought up *familiar spirits* here as a derogatory comment I felt it had to be dealt with here. As for your other thread I have found it very informative and helpful and I doubt you will see RDtoo dealing with the issue directly.
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Posted: 9/17/2005 7:53:06 PM | In this corner we have....RD....Jimmy..Dei...and in this corner we have cat, count and SFl,
These religious threads are getting to be all the same. Doesn't matter the topic, the lines have been drawn in the sand. IF you are Christian. then you know what you believe. IT is our duty to Love and respect everyone regardless. The more you try to convince those here who believe in other things, the more antagonistic each side becomes...Just what Satan wants. So just rest in the Truth of the Lord, Be humble and pray. WWJD
Heres and interesting page that may shed some light on the subject... | |
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Posted: 9/17/2005 7:54:19 PM | Christian Hogwash as usual..... try an ubiased source....
http://www.openmindsciences.com/ | |
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Posted: 9/17/2005 7:59:26 PM | Well if you automatically assume something is hogwash then why even bother asking question. And when links and answers are produced the only thing you have to say is it is hogwash. Why even ask then?
God bless and take care,
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Posted: 9/17/2005 8:19:40 PM | Jimmy that site is biased and not based on actual research being done by scientists and paranormal researchers. Try the link I put up it shows research that is being done.
http://www.openmindsciences.com/
The book it is talking about is “The Afterlife Experiments: Breakthrough Scientific Evidence of Life After Death” by Gary E. R. Schwartz and William L. Simon,
and this book is another resource, "Hello from Heaven: A New Field of Research-After-Death Communication Confirms That Life and Love Are Eternal by Bill Guggenheim and Judy Guggenheim.
And I did not ask the question about Mediumship RDtoo did....
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Posted: 9/17/2005 8:28:42 PM | Back on topic.........
Are all mediums frauds? I guess I never really looked at that question when I first posted. The question wasn't what I felt about mediums but if all are frauds? Well I don't believe all are. I do believe...as a Christian that there are some who truly have a gift. However Scripture says it is not from God....I didn't say it.....Scrpiture does.
Leviticus 20:6 "I will set my face against the person who turns to mediums and spiritists to prostitute himself by following them, and I will cut him off from his people."
Deut 18:10,11 "Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead."
So if its not from GOd, where is it from? This is a Rhetorical question. No need to answer. | |
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| Are all mediums frauds?
Posted: 9/17/2005 8:31:27 PM | Science continually changes
Religions dont actually change much
Apart from a few Past Life type reports there is No Categorical evidence that the spirits are those of the people supposedly speaking to mediums
For Example: A spirit could say 'I am Julius Ceasar" but this is impossible to prove
The spirit may know a lot about Julius Ceasar
But no-one can prove it is actually him
There is also no categorical evidence the souls go to Heaven or Hell for that metter
It is a question of Faith in both instances
Spiritualists and mediums believe they are speaking to a spirit
Religious people believe they go to Heaven/Hell/Valhalla/Paradise etc
Just remember to keep an open mind
Open minds can accept change if and when neccessary
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Posted: 9/17/2005 8:35:07 PM | dddynamic-- You folks keep talking about *familiar spirits* but if Jesus is God why do Christians refer to God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit separately? Seems to me that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are just *familiar spirits* that Christians are willing to accept.
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Posted: 9/17/2005 8:40:21 PM | Not to go off topic again... but...
The Lord is 3 in one. Let me explain it to you like I explained it to my kids. My mom is my mother. She is also a sister and she is also a daughter. She is 3 different people...yet she is one.
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Posted: 9/17/2005 8:40:33 PM | longte-- I agree with your comments here. I know that there is no absolute evidence for spirit communication but the research is being done and I trust that science will have answers to how mediumship works some time in the near future. And if it works differently than what we now understand then I am glad to update my thinking. Also at least most mediums are looking forward to what science can tell us about mediumship. Better than sticking our heads in the sand and quoting some 2000-year-old book like it is the be all and end all of spiritual ideas.
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Posted: 9/17/2005 8:42:43 PM | The trinity is a fourth century church document of the RC church and was not added to the Bible until later translations... so Jesus and the Holy Spirit are little more than acceptable *familiar spirits* for Christians.
So when you feel the Holy Spirit and talk to Jesus and claim to be inspired, get a message from God or be healed in some way you are doing exactly what mediums do no more no less. So if all mediums are frauds so are all Christians IMO.
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Posted: 9/17/2005 8:47:43 PM | | Ok. Cat you win. I don't want to debate you. I just don't understand how you can say you are so set in your ways and beliefs, yet spend most of your day...in these forums bashing CHristians. You seem like a very bitter woman. For that I am sorry. | |
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Posted: 9/17/2005 8:59:20 PM | dddynamic--I am not bitter at all but I do believe in basing my beliefs in practical experience and science. The fact is Christians set themselves on some spiritual pedestal and down everyone else when in fact they are no better and maybe even worse than most people. I did not bring up *familiar spirits* but I just showed how it can be applied to Christianity using so-called Christian logic. As much as you think I am wrong you cannot prove it.
My posts are here in this thread because someone else felt the need to take shots at something they have no personal knowledge of. And you say *I* am set in my ways and beliefs? Who is tied to a 2000+ year old book?
You assume I spend most of my day here LOL nope but this is the weekend and well I do post here when I am not doing readings. If my posts seem like they are bashing Christians well that is your view. It is more uneducated and ill-informed people who do not know their own religious history and yet insist that that they are right that gets on my nerves.
I suggest some of you really do your homework about your tradition before you try to shovel it down others throats. I know my tradition and can speak of it with real life experience to back me up. Would be nice if you folks could do the same-- would be better for the forums too no doubt.
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Posted: 9/17/2005 9:26:42 PM | Well to assume all Christians think like that you are ASSUMING a lot. I could say all mediums put their selfs on a higher pedestal than Christians. Although I don't believe that. I don't think you have any right or idea what anyone else believes. So you have no right to accuse someone of something you don't know yourself. You said it too, someone shouldn't talk about something they know nothing of. Does this just apply to everyone else and not you? I agree with others though. You seem like a very angry person. And I'm sorry you feel so angry.
God bless and take care,
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Posted: 9/17/2005 9:34:51 PM | jimmy66--Unlike the Christians who mock mediumship in this thread with no real life experience to back up their claims, I WAS a Christian for many years! So I can speak from personal experience that most of the Christians who have posted on these boards and create topics just to cause flame wars are ill educated and ill-informed of their tradition and its history. They feel threatened in regards to their faith so they then accuse the other who is questioning them and showing them holes in their thinking of being bitter and angry. You do not know me but I can tell you that from what I have read of your posts that you need to do much more study of your own faith before you even make any comments about me or my beliefs.
I left Christianity because I did not agree with the hypocrisy of it plain and simple.
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Posted: 9/17/2005 9:43:29 PM | Alrighty then. Looks like your just out for the sake of argument. Sorry, I will not play that game. May God bless you and yours.
God bless and take care,
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Posted: 9/17/2005 9:47:53 PM | Jimmy66-- No I just wanted to keep the facts straight. Most of us in alternative faith systems in North America anyway, were Christian at some point and through serious study and research found it wanting as a spiritual path. Seems to me that if folks are going to make judgements on something they have no experience with they are going to end up looking foolish. Better to educate yourself and then decide what you believe IMO.
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| Are all mediums frauds?
Posted: 9/17/2005 11:15:29 PM | What on Earth would be wrong with being both a Spititualist, and a Christian????
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