| Are all mediums frauds?
Posted: 2/6/2006 6:03:23 PM | Your point late? It's a "he said, she said" situation. Both could be lieing, one could be lieing, etc. Correct? BTW if interested in reading about Ehud, just found his site:
http://www.mentalizer.com/home.aspx
Haven't checked it out myself..so I'm throwing this out blindly lol | |
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Msg: 202 | |
| Are all mediums frauds?
Posted: 2/6/2006 6:05:25 PM | One is lying -
http://www.randi.org/jr/030504newsweek.html#10
Magicians and mentalists can blow these frauds out of the water.
Randi isn't the only one. Those who KNOW how the scammers are scamming have been debunking them for over a century.
Harmless?
Let's look back to just one particularly cruel hoax perpetrated by this woman Browne. Years ago on Montel Williams' show, she spoke to the grandmother of a local missing child, a six-year-old named Opal Jo Jennings who disappeared from her home in north Texas in March of 1999. Browne told the distraught woman that the child was still alive but had been sold into white slavery and was currently being held in Japan. She even gave a city name, but there is no such city in Japan. Moving ahead three years and nine months, we find that the body of little Opal was recovered — just seven weeks ago; she had been killed by a blow to the head. Currently, there is a man in prison in Texas who has confessed to, and been convicted of, Opal Jo's abduction and murder. | |
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| Are all mediums frauds?
Posted: 2/6/2006 6:08:01 PM | One is lieing..read the article..still proves nothing. And for one thing, who has ever said that a psychic is 110% correct? I beleive Sylvia Browne herself has even said that sometimes she isn't accurate.
Magicians and mentalists can blow these frauds out of the water.
And that's your opinion. I agree some are scammers...but not convinced all are. | |
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Msg: 204 | |
| Are all mediums frauds?
Posted: 2/6/2006 6:10:45 PM | Yet these frauds continue to prey on the gullible, ....around the world.
And that's your opinion. I agree some are scammers...but not convinced all are.
My opinion? ......based in the empirical.
These frauds have yet to come up with a "power" that magicians and/or mentalists can't explain and duplicate.
......often with more consistant results than the hoaxers.
How do you tell a scammer from the "real thing" BTW?
Hmmmmmm? | |
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| Are all mediums frauds?
Posted: 2/6/2006 6:13:26 PM | | Frauds are everywhere. In churches, schools, psychics, on wall st, etc. Unfortunately it's just the way it is. However, I don't think because you find a fraud (or many) it means you should discount an entire group, especially when it really is something we don't know about. Where there is financial gain to be had....you'll find alot of frauds. It's like looking at Jim Baker and saying "all televangelists are money hungry". It's an assessment, but anm unfair one at that. | |
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Msg: 206 | |
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| Are all mediums frauds?
Posted: 2/6/2006 6:17:13 PM | How do you tell a scammer from the "real thing" BTW?
If I knew the answer to that question, I'd be rich lol Whether you beleive in psychics or mediums..it's the same as religion, you put your faith into it. That's all you have to go by. Whatever you do in life you should approach with caution, and rely heavily on your instincts. Especially when taking money frrom your pocket to place in anothers hands.
These frauds have yet to come up with a "power" that magicians and/or mentalists can't explain and duplicate.
I agree when you say "frauds", but I also don't discount the fact that perhaps some are real. You obviously don't which is cool. | |
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Msg: 208 | |
| Are all mediums frauds?
Posted: 2/6/2006 6:28:03 PM | If I knew the answer to that question, I'd be rich lol Whether you beleive in psychics or mediums..it's the same as religion, you put your faith into it. That's all you have to go by. Whatever you do in life you should approach with caution, and rely heavily on your instincts. Especially when taking money frrom your pocket to place in anothers hands.
The difference between "you put your faith into it", and "mediums", is they claim to be able to do things within the realm of the verifiable. When asked to do so by those who know the scam, ....they fail.
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Do you know how many millions die every year because they put their "faith into it"?
....In Africa, Central and South America?
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| Are all mediums frauds?
Posted: 2/6/2006 6:33:02 PM |
The difference between "you put your faith into it", and "mediums", is they claim to be able to do things within the realm of the verifiable. When asked to do so by those who know the scam, ....they fail.
Well..the same could be said about christianity. That faith claims that you can heal the sick, restore the sight of the blind, etc Now I don't know about you..but I haven't heard of any documented cases of healings...and I also dont see Ministers being put on the spot to "heal the leaper" in the street, do you? I'd love to see someone take a minister and document a healing on the spot. We all know what happened to Benny Hinn when that happened...he failed. So I see no difference between religion and psychics in that aspect, sorry. | |
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Msg: 210 | |
| Are all mediums frauds?
Posted: 2/6/2006 6:40:23 PM |
Well..the same could be said about christianity.
Yup
So I see no difference between religion and psychics in that aspect, sorry.
Don't be sorry, .....I don't see any difference either, ...fraud is fraud, ......fake is fake.
The prize is there for the "mediums", they can't meet the scrutiny of rational observation.
The proof for religion?
As long as it remains in the realm of faith, ....what's to prove? | |
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| Are all mediums frauds?
Posted: 2/6/2006 6:50:49 PM | If the whole world is arguing over whether someone can "cure" the pain suffered by 3/4 of the population, well, talk is cheap, as Jesus said to the Pharisees after raising up the paltry man to walk after his friends handed him down from the ceiling. Jesus said" Is it easier to forgive sins, or to tell a man to get up and walk?"
Sitting around talking about things never cured anything. Miricles come in many fashions and God works in mysterious ways. Most importantly He acts thro His people. | |
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Msg: 212 | |
| Are all mediums frauds?
Posted: 2/6/2006 7:00:00 PM | Sitting around talking about things never cured anything.
The WHO, AMA, and other's would disagree with you, ....and be able to prove it, over and over and over......
It's a pity some don't give respect and regard for those who "cure" things.
Jesus said" Is it easier to forgive sins, or to tell a man to get up and walk?"
I told my doctor, "it hurts when I do this."
He said, "don't do that."
Most importantly He acts thro His people.
Proof? | |
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| Are all mediums frauds?
Posted: 2/6/2006 7:10:06 PM | | Just a personal opinion, I guess....since you don`t believe the sciptures | |
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Msg: 214 | |
| Are all mediums frauds?
Posted: 2/6/2006 7:13:35 PM |
Just a personal opinion, I guess...
Bad guess, it's a point of view, with a perspective based on a frame of reference grounded in the empirical.
.since you don`t believe the sciptures
You don't know what I believe, .....that's an opinion.
opinion
n 1: a personal belief or judgment that is not founded on proof or certainty | |
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| Are all mediums frauds?
Posted: 2/6/2006 7:18:30 PM | Emphirical=dirived from experiment and observation rather than on theory. TRUE
Opinions ....everyone has one | |
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Msg: 216 | |
| Are all mediums frauds?
Posted: 2/6/2006 7:31:33 PM |
Opinions ....everyone has one
Some know better than to submit them as fact.
It's a shame some can't tell the difference between opinion and a valid argument.
Such is life.
I'll believe in psychics when one shows up who can demonstrate psychic ability.
That's not an opinion BTW. | |
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| Are all mediums frauds?
Posted: 2/6/2006 7:36:46 PM |
Most importantly He acts thro His people.
I can agree with this statement. We can aspire to become like Jesus, hense our actions are representative of his spirit. At least that is how I am reading her statement.
On the Randi test; we don't know what the terms are for proving supernatural abilities, but I would bet that he makes it next to impossible for even the most gifted person to proove. | |
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| Are all mediums frauds?
Posted: 2/6/2006 7:44:28 PM | I don`t know what BTW means. Some people write so as it`s hard to form an opinion because their arguments are of such demonstrative showmanship that their opinions are hard to decifer.Therefore my opinions are BTW????lol Whatever.
I have had evidence demonstrated of spiritual leading in my life that I attribute to Jesus, so therefore, for me, it is fact.
edit by the way...got it...duh | |
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| Are all mediums frauds?
Posted: 2/6/2006 7:47:23 PM | Laurel, BTW is a short form computer lingo. It means By The Way.
So Laurel, do you believe that all mediums are frauds? | |
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| Are all mediums frauds?
Posted: 2/6/2006 7:53:03 PM | | Frueds?? I don`t believe they get there power from God, I don`t believe it`s their power. Other than that, I don`t think about it much, cause that`s their thing. | |
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| Are all mediums frauds?
Posted: 2/6/2006 7:53:15 PM | lol Whatever.
How dismissive, ....
BTW = By the way, .........
I have had evidence demonstrated of spiritual leading in my life that I attribute to Jesus, so therefore, for me, it is fact.
"for me" = Subjective = opinion = not evidence.
You are saying the supernatural is only valid to you if it conforms with your beliefs?
That's allowing for subjective "fact", only if it agrees with you, ...my replies regarding the OP, are independant of this detraction, and based on "that which is confirmed by observation", independant of the observer.
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| Are all mediums frauds?
Posted: 2/6/2006 7:55:06 PM | I see Laurel. Thanx for answering.
My own personal belief is that mediums do not have any "powers" as you put it. God allows the spirit to come to them, and all humans have this ability, (to hear the spirit world). I believe we also have "free will" in the afterlife. It doesn't end with our mortal death. | |
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| Are all mediums frauds?
Posted: 2/6/2006 7:55:49 PM | The supernatural is true to me where it has been sufficiently proven to my sences to allow me to believe.
I`m sure that goes for everyone. | |
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Msg: 224 | |
| Are all mediums frauds?
Posted: 2/6/2006 7:57:20 PM | we don't know what the terms are for proving supernatural abilities, but I would bet that he makes it next to impossible for even the most gifted person to proove.
"We" don't know?
http://www.randi.org/research/challenge.html
The supernatural is true to me where it has been sufficiently proven to my sences to allow me to believe.
I`m sure that goes for everyone.
Can you discern via your senses, how a magician makes an elephant disappear?
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| Are all mediums frauds?
Posted: 2/6/2006 8:03:42 PM | Can you discern via your senses, how a magician makes an elephant disappear?
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