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 bigray

Joined: 8/24/2005
Msg: 105
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Posted: 9/8/2005 11:13:12 PM
Hay brother I agree with you 100%.
the best thing to do with those type of women is when they do come back and then they want to be with us nice guys we should kick them to the curb.
thats at leest what I do because I'm not going to be second choice for any one and I will never let them use me as a reserve so when their done being sh** on they come back to me.
 bigredswa

Joined: 6/27/2004
Msg: 108
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Posted: 9/9/2005 2:21:40 AM
OMG if this doesn't hit the nail on the head.............. cudos to u my friend.... :)
 MaverickEastwood

Joined: 9/9/2005
Msg: 109
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Posted: 9/9/2005 3:16:10 AM
I have to say that I agree with you my man, 110%. I especially like what you say about the role reversal, albeit partial. Both sides are treading unfamiliar waters. And it doesn't help either sides cause when society, in general, seems to have lost all sense of values and morals. Too much emphasis is being placed on the individual instead of the whole. Look around...The divorce rate is up(up 10% from five years ago, which was 50%), birth rates are down in the western world. I may be going off on a little bit of a tangent here, but it makes a person wonder sometimes. Again, Mortiis88, you da man, the truth shall remain
 Absolute_Zero

Joined: 8/26/2005
Msg: 110
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Posted: 9/9/2005 3:34:38 AM
I think this stupid delusion that everyone has to be happy and blissfully positive all the time is screwing up relations. Emotions of every type have to exist and have vents. I think there is a massive issue in society today to stick a happy act on.
 bigman5330

Joined: 7/3/2005
Msg: 111
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Posted: 9/9/2005 3:56:06 AM
Get used to it. I am probably older than most on this site. Ever since I was a teen this has been the norm. Eventually you will come across a lady who is sick of the same macho BS these deadheads are spouting and maybe this will be the one for you
 PAWLAW

Joined: 5/16/2005
Msg: 112
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Posted: 9/9/2005 4:14:15 AM
wow that was great , funny how you sit there and read thru that and go yep did that and that and that but not because of self pity as i have read from some forum readers but because WE ARE WHO WE ARE and no one can take that way , Cheers Mortiis88

And just when you think life is really bad and that lady decided you should only be your friend , you think of how last week you were visiting your friends 11 yr daughter in Sick Kids hospital after she had 10 hr brain surgery and you walk away going we don't really have any probs and life is GREATTTTTTTTTT.

Agood friday to you all
 miniAJ

Joined: 9/9/2005
Msg: 113
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Posted: 9/10/2005 10:37:50 AM
Excellent, that was exactly the point I wanted to make but naturescandy beat me to it. I have a little suggestion for all those "nice guys" and "nice girls" who keep responding to mortiis88 thread, complaining of how they just don't understand why they keep finishing last...well its simple...lower your expectations and check your own self-esteem level. Quit chasing after people who have made it clear to you that they aren't attracted to you. If I'm looking for love and someone tells me that they think of me as just a friend then it's pretty damn clear they don't find me attractive enough. That is the bottom line. Move on. You deserve to be valued for what is inside of you, so stop trying to date people who value physical beauty more than a kind heart. More than likely some of you have a pretty low self-esteem level. You chase after people you already feel you don't deserve because on some mental level you know they are out of your league. And even though you don't realize it, your actions somehow tell them they are more physically attractive than what you deserve to be with. You put them up on a pedestil and then wonder why they act so shallow? So what is the solution then? Lower your expectations of beauty yourself.
Ahh, but there is the catch isn't it? We also want beauty for ourselves don't we? All of the "nice" people complaining out there that they have been burned, I wonder how many of them have actually found themselves dating someone they weren't physically attracted to?
It's an unfortunate fact of the human condition, we want to be with physical beauty. We keep looking for that beautiful someone and claim we want beauty on both the inside and out...yet we don't give anyone a chance who is below our own level of expected attractiveness. Funny thing is, when we do it backfires as well because of those aformentioned self-esteem issues.
When I first signed on to this service a few weeks ago, I posted a picture, wrote up a brief description of myself and waited. Within minutes all these men started sending me messages, men of varying physical appearances. Almost every single one of them sent a message saying, "hey cutie," or "you're a hottie" or "hey, there beautiful." Very few were interested in more than my physical appearance in thier responses. Then I tried going out on a few dates with the men I found to be regular nice guys, not stunningly attractive, but kind and sweet. The theme of those dates? I was told how attractive I was, that I was out of their league, why would I want to date them? And I'm just plain average looking, so what happens with these people if they make any headway with what naturescany called the "vain" and "self-centered" beautiful people? Their low confidence level was what made them unattractive to me, not their physical appearance.
The Lesson here? If you have low self-esteem perhaps you should work on that because it may very well be some of the underlying problem as to why you only ever get considered a friend. Stop only looking at the "beautiful" people, try lowering your expectations a little yourself.
I have now created a profile with no photo. Haven't had a single response. LOL.
 JUST ME 1956

Joined: 8/18/2005
Msg: 114
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Posted: 9/10/2005 10:53:01 AM
Wow nice post, I am in agreement with anyone whom says nice guys finish last, Note this... not only do they finish last they finish way above and ahead of the rest of the pack.. It is the patient men whom get the gold, I was gonna start a topic of my own but seen this and decided this is as good as a spot as any... Hats off to the men whom patiently wait and look for the right gal, Hats off to the women who wake up and realize good looks a nice car and a fancy house are not all a man is made out of. Men whom love love deeply , those who are looking for just sex, get what their looking for but whats a cold bed without love? Yes I am a woman but not a young skinny good looking one either LOL ... I have read and read more profiles than one can shake a stick at and trust me, this goes out to the good men.. Hang tight ,your gal will come along... and when she does she will be yours for all eternity...

Now I have a question for you all.. just didnt know where to put it..

Why is the divorce rate so high.. my take is ya marry young, either the wife or the hubby gain too much weight or whatever and what does the spouse do they dump them.. Yeah this is so true, but guess what to all those dumping some day the shoe may be on the other foot and you might get dumped too.. Love is all around us and beuaty is only skin deep, and hey nice girls finish last too... Sex without love is just SEX..... Love with sex is AWESOME.... so good luck and happy hunting to all!
 StoneTears

Joined: 8/28/2005
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Posted: 9/10/2005 10:58:57 AM
Finaly someone i agree with.
I used to respond that question all our female friends(cant call them girlfriends .. they get mad) "Where are all the nice guys?", with "There in hiding.." Girls dont seam to see us at all untill we get so tired of takeing there tears and abuse. We change to match what you need from us and you abandon us and never look back.
A woman who is looking for a nice guy and dosnt deserve one wouldnt know it if you were crying on his shoulder. And if they did know you are a nice guy they think your a fake
 Foreshadower

Joined: 9/9/2005
Msg: 116
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Posted: 9/10/2005 11:04:31 AM
In my own experience and in some other people, i know. You're damned if you're a nice guy and you're damned, if you aren't?

Although, some women, are beginning to experience the same issue?
 Gideon_70

Joined: 9/9/2005
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Posted: 9/10/2005 12:12:53 PM
I've read the post, and although I agree to a point, there is something that the mean guys have the the nice guys lack. I'll tell you what it is in a second.

Women want to be controlled. Oh the'll deny it until their face turns blue, but they do. They also want a guy that will take them places. They want to walk into hell with a man to protect them by their side. So when the mean guy says "get in the damn car", she does. whne he says, I want to ahve sex with you, NOW! She does. Does she want to, yep, but does she really want to have a guy like this as her husband? Not unless she is willing to have him treat her like a maid, or a trophy.

Mean guys have discovered that they can walk on the girls and the girls will take it, and that the girls in a small way want it. The rougher they are, the more commanding, the mroe of a leader they seem, the mroe the girls will seek him out. Look at Vin Diesel in Riddick as opposed to Gilligan, see. Riddick walks into a room the girls sigh, gilligan walks into a room, the girls think their brother just showed up.

Nice guys, the trick is to be riddick. You don't have to be mean, or an ass**e, just when she comes to you for advice, garb her hand, say, "Com'on, were going to the park and walk there." When you get to the park, listen to her for a while, then say "a guy like that will amke your life miserable in the long run, he'll treat you badly and when he is done with you, he'll leave you to starve on the side of the road." then suck up your courage and kiss her.

Trust me, she'll make her own decision from that point.

I've been a nice guy, and I've been an ass*h*e. I prefer to be a directed nice guy that isn't afraid to take charge and do what needs to be done.

OH, a note to the younger ones, she really does not want you to go beat up the captain of the football team. If you try it, you will get pounded and she will still want to go out with him.
 Foreshadower

Joined: 9/9/2005
Msg: 118
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Posted: 9/10/2005 1:02:04 PM
I'll take it, one step further.

Women like a challenge, a guy they set out to tame and change. If it's too easy for them, they get bored, fast.
 SwEeT-e-PiE

Joined: 7/5/2005
Msg: 119
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Posted: 9/10/2005 1:11:56 PM
I agree with this post, but it's ridiculous how most women think. I say most, because not everyone is like this. There is hope guys, don't give up!
You should never try to change anyone... if anything, you should be there to help them grow.
Women are messed up.
Guys too.
 Foreshadower

Joined: 9/9/2005
Msg: 120
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Posted: 9/10/2005 1:24:39 PM
Well hope, never dies. Hope, not?

I just believe that, no one can't actually be changed. Now two growing as one, in a relationship. Giving each other, their support and qualities. That's cool.

After all, if a person is changed, rather than just smoothing out, the rough edges, in each other. You wouldn't exactly be with the person, you fell in love with, in the beginning.

Because it's those qualities, that first attracted you, to them. And, vice-versa.

Just my take, on it?
 Phigene

Joined: 3/22/2005
Msg: 121
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Posted: 9/10/2005 2:16:32 PM
I'm gonna be totally blunt and not beat around the bush.Yes I have also been 'the NICE Guy' more than a few times in my life,so can speak with experience behind my point.

This applies to BOTH NICE GUYS AND NICE GIRLS.

When it comes down to it, the 'NICE PPL' don't get asked out by the ppl who use us because the 'users' just want the 'dangerous types' ,the wild,very good looking, free spirit' types who love to pose and preen in front of ther mirror or in public and expect everyone to notice then all of the time.

The entire world is based on their 'looks' and how many ppl they can get to 'want/desire' them

Enough said.

Good luck to the NICE PPL
 naturescandy

Joined: 9/30/2004
Msg: 122
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Posted: 9/17/2005 2:47:41 PM

Women want to be controlled. Oh the'll deny it until their face turns blue, but they do. They also want a guy that will take them places. They want to walk into hell with a man to protect them by their side. So when the mean guy says "get in the damn car", she does. whne he says, I want to ahve sex with you, NOW! She does. Does she want to, yep, but does she really want to have a guy like this as her husband? Not unless she is willing to have him treat her like a maid, or a trophy. [\quote]

Gideon70, I can't believe your response here. DISCLAIMER: I say the following with the utmost respect for you as a fellow citizen of my planet.

You go beyond over-generalization in your rant.

Firstly, I'm so sick of all the whiners lumping all men, and all women into nice, neat little compartments. How the hell can you start out a sentence with "Women want..." or "Women are..." or "Women always..." I'm not even directing this solely at poor Gideon70. I'm talking to all the whiners too. (Gideon, you weren't whining, luv.) But Gideon, I am a little offended at your implication that all women want to be controlled, especially those of us who deny it. I'm one of those who denys that. I'm a serious control FREAK. I have always been this way. Maybe it's because I grew up as the only child in my household, maybe it's because the women in my mother's family rule with iron fists. Whatever the reason, I like to make decisions for myself. The men I date tend to be momma's boys. Their mothers sometimes try to control me, but the men themselves never make this attempt. I have only ever gone out with extremely chivalrous men who treat me with the utmost respect,and carry themseleves with dignity. These guys have always been very intelligent, very funny,but most importantly,very confident. I like when they take care of things, but I have to have had a hand in all of the decision-making. In fact, I stopped speaking to a man with whom I'd emailed back and forth because during our first phone call, he told me what to do instead of asking me why I had decided to do something I had decided to do. I told all my girl friends about it, and they were mortified. hey called him all kinds of names he didn'treally deserve, leading me to think they don't want to be controlled either.

Secondly, you cannot compare Riddick to Gillligan! That's apples and oranges, my dear. Riddick can make women swoon regardless of his actual personality because when he enters a room, it is his room. He is graceful (which appeals on a primal level because humans are programmed t find the healthiest person of the opposite gender and mate with them), confident, and looks like he has something important to accomplish. Gilligan is clumsy, comes accross as though he lacks self confidence, looks like he has no plans, nothing to do, and doesn't seem to know when to be quiet. You could sit accross a bar from these two, watch them for just a few minutesand learn all of this. You still wouldn't know whether either of them was nice, or mean when it comes to relationships. Let's compare oranges to oranges. And let's stick to comics if we're starting with Riddick.

I give you: Bruce Wayne vs. Peter Parker. These are both very nice men. Ok, so one's much youngerm, and less successful. However, they're both very good looking, and very nice. Bruce is way more succesful with women than Peter will ever be. Peter could get rich from his photography, and still not be able to find a nice girl and remain settled with her for long. It isn't Bruce's money that makes him more desireable. It's Bruce. Bruce is busy. Very busy. But comes accross as strong, dependable, confident, worldly, and spontaneoous. Peter is very busy. However, he manages his time quite poorly and is therefore undependable. He keeps putting himself in a position of having to explain himself, which makes him appear to lack confidence, and appear to be weak. This is not attractive. He lures a girl in with his great sense of humor, and good looks. When he's charming, Peter is very charming, and charming people come accross as confident. But when he lets that image slide, he loses the girl. Bruce only loses the girl when he pushes them away because he wants to protect them from Batman's life, or when he thinks they like Batman better.

Gideon70, you seem nice, and you seem good. I don't even disagree with most of what you said, so I hope you don't take this the wrong way.
 Iron Wolf

Joined: 10/11/2004
Msg: 123
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Posted: 9/17/2005 9:44:18 PM
Mortiis,

I propose a toast to you, & your posterity! You are a true man among men! I heartily second your enlightened thoughts on this subject! It is men like you, who are in the eternal struggle to give men a GOOD name & reputation! I wish you continued honesty, bravery, & common sense! Thank you, on behalf of all mannered men!
 fordboy90

Joined: 9/18/2005
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Posted: 9/18/2005 9:25:34 PM
Thankyou u hit the nail on the head!!!!!! u da man
 Braylix

Joined: 8/7/2005
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Posted: 9/18/2005 10:10:05 PM
Amen Brother lets all raise are glasses Now to answer this
[if any guy ever wondered why women have low self-estems, they should really think back to themselves. Honestly not every girl out there look like jessica simpson. therefore men want someone like that so they can be all "manly" If guys spent ,more time appreciating what women look like as they are, then all you "nice guys" would get the love you deserve, instead of us cry, moping and being all misserable. And yes sometimes thats not the case. But for you good guys, make yourself known, and appreciate the things that us "nice girls" do for you]

Thats not always the case and your proving the point the Jerks lower your self esteem and the nice guys build it back up,and do we get the love we need? NO do we apreciate you? Yes if we didnt would we be there for you? heres my question and this goes for the guys as well, Have you ever had someone that was dear to your heart? someone you could always depend on? Someone you could turn to when you were heart broken? Someone who could make you laugh, dry a tear or make you feel good about your self? Who never ask anything in return? If you answered Yes to this question? and the person is of the oppsiet sex, or same sex if you swing that way Gusse what? theres the nice girls theres the nice guys something to think about
 mikedanger

Joined: 4/13/2005
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Posted: 9/18/2005 10:29:46 PM
@mortiis: kudos to you and your rather eloquent "tribute" to the nice guys o' the world! ...i also understand your bitterness, and it doesn't get any easier w/ time... BUT i will tell you somethin' i lfinally learned a few years back, an' u brushed on it earlier: the shy guy ONLY gets the girl in movies and tv.... real life ain't like that! that being said, however, even then, women an' girls will STILL prefer the jerky guys that treat 'em bad...!
 nsbanffman

Joined: 12/30/2004
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Posted: 9/18/2005 10:33:50 PM
THANK YOU, THANK YOU AND MORE THANK YOUS! You hit the bulls eye but i fear that even these rare girls of which you speak will never appear! I just shake my head at lady logic!
Good luck is all i can say!
Adios
 Philosophers Stone

Joined: 7/11/2005
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Posted: 9/18/2005 10:50:58 PM
Well judging by the responses in this thread, I would say that a lot of the women saying that there are nice girls available are single moms. Now I have a TON of respect for a single mom but its one of those things that is kind of a mark against them in the dating pool.

Most guys, especially the nice ones, have a short list of criteria that are important to them, and in most of these cases if the woman has children, while it may not knock them out of the running it is a major setback.

The reasons are plenty but a large part of it is that this indicates a few things.

First the woman might not have much time for a relationship, or even if she does the child may not want her in one.

Second you have to not only impress the mom, but the child as well. If the child is against you it will make the relationship that much harder for you and usually spells doom anyway. Not always but once again, this is just an indication of possibility, not proof.

Third it shows that she has already been in a relationship that got pretty far only to have something go wrong. This might not be her fault, in fact if she is taking care of the kid, it probably isn't her fault, but it makes you wonder.

Lastly it means that if the relationship does work out and you get closely romantically involved, you are going to have that extra responsibility of taking care of a child dropped on you without any fault of your own or decision making on your part. It is just unavoidable. And to make matters worse, children tend to not take orders well from a step parent. They often are defiant and oppositional to them.

So in other words, yes, there are many nice girls out there, and yes there is frequently something about them that makes them less desireable. But it is not their fault.

There are others but ultimately they are hard to find either because the emotions have not been made clear or because the nice guys do not know where to find them.

My completely unqalified advice to nice guys/girls is to be more forward. Get your emotions on the table. Yes that leaves you vulnerable but at least you have a chance that way. If you never say anything and you treat eachother respectfully then how are they to know how you feel about them. Good luck.
 mikedanger

Joined: 4/13/2005
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Posted: 9/18/2005 10:54:32 PM
the last woman that ditched me for a jerk was a: 37, and 2: married... no guarantees....
 travisty

Joined: 9/9/2005
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Posted: 9/18/2005 11:02:45 PM
Wow. Mortiis. Couldn't have said it better.
Maybe someone will put this in a relationship book somewhere.
Now if only the rest would actually read it and understand without cynicism.
Cheers.
 jpc111

Joined: 8/19/2005
Msg: 131
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Posted: 9/19/2005 3:31:24 AM
its a hard life the nice guy leads lonelyness and wondering why you end up alone at the end of the day all we want is to love somebody unconditionally no matter what instead we end up alone day in and day out being alone can make you lonely but you are never alone you know in youre heart of hearts that if you wait long enough maybe lady luck will smile upon you and send a angel youre way that appreciates who and what you are a good man i can only wait to my turn comes when ever that is [hopefully before i die] jim
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