It is her body. He cant tell her to do sh*t.
If it is genetically his child then he has to pay childsupport no matter how sorry a person can feel for him.
He accepts the situation and deals with it.

I wonder how happy with abortion laws women would be, if they were modified to allow men to choose abortion, as well. Not very, is my guess. I'd be the first to throw "Too bad." back in your faces.

Never gonna happen until men give BIRTH.

I don't expect to see it, and don't advocate abortion (unless the mother is in danger from complications of the pregnancy); but, never say never.

China has many cases of forced abortions. All it takes is a change in the Law, and a more oppressive government

That's a change that isn't likely to ever happen here, but I would not be sympathetic to the women with "Too bad, you don't count." attitudes toward men.

I wonder how many of us older people would be here today had 'Roe v. Wade' been enacted 40 years earlier. How many of our mothers were under the age of 25 when they gave birth to us? How about under the age of 20? How many got married because they were pregnant? (Not that this something they would always share with their kids, but you can do the math and determine the likelihood.)

It's not uncommon for women to be unsympathetic to men's rights (or lack thereof), when it comes to abortion and reproductive decisions.

It's also much too common that a man is accused of being the father of children he didn't sire. I've been accused of it once myself in High School... By a girl I had never even kissed.

Many men are currently under court order to pay child support for kids that aren't theirs. Until recently, it's been almost impossible to appeal the decision. It's still not easy, and many of these men were unaware they'd been named a father, until their checks were garnished for the support payments.

I advocate Abortion.Had one myself when I was 19.Sometimes....the "PILL" doesn't work even when you are in a committed relationship and not ready for kids.
I also believe a man should have some say in the matter.But....only if he is willing to raise it alone,financially speaking, if a woman doesn't want to have it.
BUT....No one should be forced to give birth or raise a child she doesn't want.
Nor should she be forced against her will to abort one..Sorry.Little too Communisitic and anti-social for my taste.Call me spoiled.....lol

I feel as though I have more right to make choices because it's in my body.
Shoot...I raised 3 children..and PAID for them all in full...on my own.

MONEY TALKS.Not just pvssy!

I think men count...I just know ONE person is going to outweigh the other is all.

Millions of people would be over populating this country if ABORTION was not legal!

Well....I don't know the stats...but I don't think most men want to spend 18 years financially responsible for a child they didn't intend on having either.Can't have it both ways...can you?

So in effect...you want men to have a say in killing thier own then?
Shoot...don't enough women do that on thier own accord?

I also believe a man should have some say in the matter.But....only if he is willing to raise it alone,financially speaking, if a woman doesn't want to have it.

Since abortion IS the law of the land, there should be a joint decision involved in it's implementation. I don't have a simple answer how to implement a legal requirement that's fair.

Hahah....you mean like when WOMEN had NO RIGHTS to do ANYTHING but OBEY MEN?

Do we have a potential battle here between Conservative and Liberal.
Male and Female.Pro-Choice and Anti-Abortion?
Not sure I am up for it.....but I hear you.
You have valid points.So do I.
Let's agree to disagree.
You're right we have a stale mate here and I don't really
want to make an enemy out of MR. MUFF DIVER EXTRAORDINAIRE! lol.

Yeah, a pro-abortion vs. pro-life debate isn't going to get us anywhere, especially on this site.

Unfortunately, the condom breaks. He tells her to go get the morning after pill. She doesn't get it. He finds out a couple of months later she is pregnant. He tells her to get an abortion. She doesn't.

Hahah....you mean like when WOMEN had NO RIGHTS to do ANYTHING but OBEY MEN?


Nope. I never said any such thing. For me, abortion laws aren't about women's rights. They're about child rights. I'm stating my opinions, not preaching. I fully understand that abortion is legal, and not likely to change. A lot of other things have changed since women's suffrage, too. Some of them for the better.

I don't know about that Conservative vs. Liberal stuff, I think I'm more of a traditional moderate. But I realize I'm arguing a moot point. (Shaking my fist at the sun, as it were.

I don't know if that last bit was a shot or not, but I'm not out to be anybody's enemy or nemesis. I never made a claim to that title either. It's a nice rumor to have floating around though.

Yeah, a pro-abortion vs. pro-life debate isn't going to get us anywhere, especially on this site.

Now she is threatening him with child support....with her family going after him....writing him emails asking him why he doesn't want to have anything to do with the child. He is at his wits end because he is barely scraping by on the money he has and feeling suicidal. What does he do?

When you boil it down to it's essence, that pretty much sums it up. A guy who gets caught up in this situation is SOL. He has to deal with what comes as best he can. (Which is fine with me.) Women on the other hand have full options of choice. (Huge double standard under the Law.) I wonder how happy with abortion laws women would be, if they were modified to allow men to choose abortion, as well. Not very, is my guess. I'd be the first to throw "Too bad." back in your faces.

China has many cases of forced abortions. All it takes is a change in the Law, and a more oppressive government.

I've been accused of it once myself in High School... By a girl I had never even kissed.

Many men are currently under court order to pay child support for kids that aren't theirs. Until recently, it's been almost impossible to appeal the decision. It's still not easy, and many of these men were unaware they'd been named a father, until their checks were garnished for the support payments.

That's a change that isn't likely to ever happen here, but I would not be sympathetic to the women with "Too bad, you don't count." attitudes toward men.

If you feel that it's not a child until it leaves your womb, then we have an insurmountable difference of opinion. I think it's selfish to kill a child out of convenience. And yes, I would raise a child I was responsible for on my own, if the mother didn't want it. In fact, I'd prefer to raise the child myself even if she did want it. Not because I want children, but because I think they are a serious responsibility, and I would trust myself to do a good job. It wouldn't be easy, but what in this world is that's worthwhile?

I don't think a man should be able to force a woman to have an abortion, but if the State is going to allow the destruction of children, then I think he should have to sign off on the killing of his offspring before it can occur.

Women are fond of saying men should keep it in their pants if they can't deal with the consequences. I think women should face the same consequences for not being able to keep their feet out of the air. The biggest of which is the fact that for the next 9 months, it's NOT her body.

The only way for everyone to be treated fairly is to make abortion illegal again (Except for life-threatening circumstances). Fair isn't always convenient.

""Too bad." back in your faces." — That's a pretty cavalier attitude towards taking a life!

China apparently has no problem 'aborting' fully grown human beings.
China is not exactly the human rights capitol of the world so it's not exactly a great comparison!

Oh stop bragging about your potency already! ;)
Kidding! That must have been horrible!
I don't know where some people get their nerve to so falsely accuse another!

Maybe a man should try to determine if the woman has that attitude before having sex with her?

1) And why are you sleeping with women you wouldn't trust to raise your/their child?
2) What makes you think you'd do a better job of raising a child alone than you would with the mother?
3) Accidents can happen but why would you sleep with someone who had such morally opposing views?

Ha! Now THAT'S equality!
But then again, not true equality as the woman has to literally carry that burden.
I don't think we are ever going to have true equality in matters of biology.

Yes, but then those who you stated were "too stupid to control their own reproductive cycle, or too poor and uneducated to provide for the children they create" would be forced to either have more stupid children or have do-it-yourself abortions that could kill the would-be mothers.
So how is that fair?

I'm definitely pro choice because the alternative is frightening but I'm mostly pro sexual responsibility.

Maybe there should be a skill testing question that has to be answered correctly before you are able to have sex?

What does he do?

If you don't choose your partners wisely and discuss what you would do in case of pregnancy up front and still choose to have high risk sex then you deserve whatever happens.

LOL... I've had a couple of women over the years pursue me, after having gotten themselves pregnant by someone else. I avoided being tricked by not being the type to trust easily. I always take things slowly. Both admitted they were looking for someone to pin it on, other than the loser who was responsible. I still don't know how to take that. Either they thought I was desperate and gullible, or thought I was the type of guy they'd like to have raise their kids. Who knows? I doubt this is an uncommon occurrence.

But that's the whole point -- "whatever happens" is entirely out of the man's control and entirely in the woman's. If the woman is sexually irresponsible, she does have options regarding what to do in the aftermath should she get pregnant. Men have no options.

Next time tell him to go to a hooker. It's cheaper to pay a little for sex than a lot for a child you don't want.

ou missed my point.
Who you have sex with and what sexual precautions YOU take are completely within YOUR control!

I've never worried if the man I was with would 'do the right thing' if I ever became pregnant because I don't sleep with men I don't trust or men that don't care about me.

I've never had the options you are talking about because I don't believe it would be something I could live with doing.

If you don't trust who you are sleeping with then YOU have to be responsible for protecting yourself.

It takes TWO for sexually irresponsibility to have an effect and only ONE to prevent it.