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| Pregnant girl threatening
Posted: 8/28/2009 11:41:34 AM |
^^^^^ You have a right to make any decision you want.
Yes I can and will.....But it takes TWO to decide to have sex and TWO to support a child financially.
Your decision as men comes when you stick it IN and get off.
If you don't want to TAKE THE RISK of having your lives CONTROLLED....don't have sex.
After that.....the LAWS that protect CHILDREN kick in.Or the laws that give women the RIGHT to abort do.You already thru your dice.
You men act as though this money is for the WOMEN.
It's NOT.It's for the LIVES that are made with our choices as adults to have sex.
You BOUGHT that "ferrari" when you came!So did she.She made a choice and so did you! I don't see how you don't get that reality.
If you think child support will make you able to afford children, i think you are sadly mistaken.
You are barking up the wrong tree with this one...as I said...for 19years...I have spent $10,000 a month supporting MY family...even though HE was there to have sex and choose to keep our babies with me...I PAID FOR THEM.Still do ,always will......
I didn't even ASK for child support...it's a PITANCE in comparrison to what a child actually costs.
Thing is...IF I got pregnant right now....I'd be off to the clinic.
FOR A LEGAL ABORTION...so this whole thing is MOOT. | |
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| Pregnant girl threatening
Posted: 8/28/2009 11:54:53 AM | | If he honestly has no interest in the child, just sign over your rights and walk away. And next time, make sure there is more than just a condom to protect yourself, they break a lot. | |
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| Pregnant girl threatening
Posted: 8/28/2009 12:14:52 PM | What amazes me is that we women just can NOT win.
If a man doesn't want the financial responsibility for a child HE HELPS concieve he feels entitled to guilt trip, to force,to expect,to demand,to coherce a woman to abort it to avoid being held accountable for his sperm and choices.And he has the audacity to claim he didn't "BUY the FERRARI" so we should PAY for all and raise them as though we concieved them ourselves because he didn't INTEND on or WANT a child with us or at that time.I think abortion is MORE a way for MEN to get off scott free from paying for thier choices than it is for women. Women have to make one of the HARDEST choices a person EVER WILL! But I can tell you one thing.If MEN had all the POWER over this choice...there would be ONE hellava LOT more abortions happening than women actually have now.We don't TAKE this lightly!
We don't want to be left solely responsible for what happens when a sperm and an egg collide.Why should WE BE?We don't WANT to abort children as a form of birth control.We don't WANT to be dictated to by men who can't begin to imagine what it feels like when a man is willing to fvck us...but could care less about the child he helped concieve and RUNS from or BLAMES us for his choices to be with us and take the risk.
And then the flip side is just as BAD.
If a man doesn't want us to abort it we are cold hearted b*tches who KILL thier children.
And in the end.....it's all so sad that the children are either aborted or abandoned or resented by thier own fathers because they didn't get to make the CHOICE?
WOW......This thread was called "Pregnant Girl threatening"
TO WHAT? HAVE A CHILD and EXPECT the FATHER TO PAY HIS FAIR SHARE?
I think that if the OP was given the decision making power, then this child would be dead.At least this 20 year old girl was willing to take responsibility for her actions.
More than can be said for MANY MANY MEN who would happily be the one with the HOSE in thier hand...sucking the life outta her uterous.
Damned if you do...damned if you don't in men's eyes.
That's why it is LEFT up to ONE party.
I am DONE with this issue...it is really makinig me sad. | |
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| Pregnant girl threatening
Posted: 8/28/2009 12:19:05 PM | Because there are MULTIPLE stops on the trainride to birth.
It's not a direct flight, we gotta catch a connection. Jesus this is easy
It's not like sex=childbirth, there are MANY options to avoid children if chosen. Abortion, ru486, adoption.
So you
1. have sex (mutual decision)
2. Get pregnant
3. Decide to abort (woman decision)
4. Decide ru486 (another abortion, so woman decision)
5. Decide if you are going to keep or put up for adoption (woman decision)
Literally 3 decisions about whether or not to trade in that ferrari that we have ZERO voice in.
But if WE want to keep our child as fathers, we have no right to? F*** that. You can kill our children, and we get no say. You can keep our children against our will, and we get no say. We pay for it either way, but after sex, we STILL have no say.
If men were awarded custudy you know, EVER it would be different. 90% of divorced fathers have less than full custody of their children.
37.9% of fathers have no access/visitation rights
40% of mothers reported that they had interfered with the non-custodial father's visitation on at least one occasion, to punish the ex-spouse
Only 11% of mothers value their husband's input when it comes to handling problems with their kids.
A clear majority (70%) of fathers felt that they had too little time with their children
In a study: "Visitational Interference - A National Study" by Ms. J Annette Vanini, M.S.W. and Edward Nichols, M.S.W., it was found that 77% of non-custodial fathers are NOT able to "visit" their children, as ordered by the court, as a result of "visitation interference" perpetuated by the custodial parent
Information from multiple sources shows that only 10% of all noncustodial fathers fit the "deadbeat dad" category: 90% of the fathers with joint custody paid the support due. Fathers with visitation rights pay 79.1%; and 44.5% of those with NO visitation rights still financially support their children
The Poverty Studies Institute at the University of Wisconsin, Madison, discovered in 1993 that 52% of fathers who owe child support earn less than $6,155 per year
Total Custodial Mothers: 11,268,000. Total Custodial Fathers 2,907,000 (1991 but still)
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66% of single mothers work less than full time while only 10% of fathers fall into this category. In addition, almost 47% of non-custodial mothers default on support compared with the 27% of fathers who default
Custodial mothers who receive a support award: 79.6%
Custodial fathers who receive a support award: 29.9%
Non-custodial mothers who totally default on support: 46.9%
Non-custodial fathers who totally default on support: 26.9%
Statistically, we take care of ours more than women do, and we don't get involved in the decision? OR get custody?
So apparently if anything with kids, you get to choose whether or not to have, no matter what, keep them 75% of the time, get paid by us 80%, if we WIN custody (only 25%) only 30% of men will get any award and EVEN if we get there you default HALF the time.
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| Pregnant girl threatening
Posted: 8/31/2009 12:30:25 AM |
Hey, If you think you can raise a child on $400 a month, you are NUTS!. Let's see ,we have doctors, dentists(probably braces) clothes, school lunches, school fees,school books, school supplies, athletic equipment & fees, gas to get them to school & outside activities, food, utilities, health insurance, later, car insurance, dances, school pictures and probably more than I can't think of. This cannot be done on $400 a month, I don't care where you live. And just hope they don't break a bone or anything, geezzzzz with a deductible and co insurance left over after health ins. pays is still gonna be $4,000 where I come from
you are wrong sorry to put it so bluntly but I have a daughter who is 6 and $400 a onth is plenty. She has everything she needs. Just cause you live in the states doesn't mean we all have to pay for visits to the doctor canada has a very good health care system so we go to the doctor for free. It comes out of our taxes. Don't come telling me I am lying when I prove it month after month. Ya your situation is diferant I acept that but here in canada it is posible. | |
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| Pregnant girl threatening
Posted: 8/31/2009 12:34:33 AM | | Oh and our schools are only a hundred bucks a fear as well so big deal 10 bucks a month braces are covered by insurance at work for 20 a month ut that covers the whole family. Gas for school we have school buses covered by our 100 dollar registration. You break a bone here it is free and there is no insurance coveringit our government pays it with our taxes so yes it does depend where you live. | |
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| Pregnant girl threatening
Posted: 8/31/2009 4:45:22 AM | accept responsibility for his actions and teach him a lesson not to sleep with people old enough to be his daughter.
Men who shy away this kind of thing sicken me, heck..they are still boys in comparison.. if you can't accept the risks, don't have sex..enough said really. | |
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| Pregnant girl threatening
Posted: 8/31/2009 7:17:04 AM | | In response to the debate on whether signing off rights gets you out of child support and "off the hook". My son's father offered to give up his rights to avoid paying support at our support hearing. (How sad that a person could abandon their blood cuz they don't wanna have to work harder to support them). The conciliator said he would still have to pay unless i had someone that he'd be signing the rights to. A man that was willing to adopt my child, basically. Not sure if this applies everywhere but in my state it does so there are situations that giving up your rights or visitation will still result in supporting the child. Every child deserves support from both parents whether the pregnancy was intended, wanted, or the opposite as with this case. The child sure didn't ask to be conceived and should not have to pay the price of your irresponsibility. | |
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| Pregnant girl threatening
Posted: 9/11/2009 10:00:42 PM | Now everyone is supporting the silly girl....
Riiiiight.
He wrapped it, but it broke. He asked her to get the mornign after pill, and the silly **** didnt. And now HE is the one at fault because he doesnt want a baby???
He WRAPPED IT.
What are men supposed to do to avoid this situation?? Freeze cuploads of their sperm and pay squillions to maintain the cryo, and have the snip so they can go all Snoop Dog "wasn't me"???? And still have the option of children later on if and when they choose to????
However OTOH, I would never let a man have a say over my body. But if a condom DID break, and he said he wanted nothing to do with anything further if the worst happened, I would make my choices accordingly, and think that attempting to pin him for child support later on would be a cruel thing to try. I think that men should be legally able to waive their rights at the time, by making a legal statement, at the time of a possible conception that they do not wish this, and want nothing to do with it, and partook in safe sex. But then how could it ever be proved if the girl was a ****? | |
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| Pregnant girl threatening
Posted: 9/11/2009 10:33:19 PM | What should he do, being broke and suicidal?
He should get a better job, and seek mental health services.
Was he using spermicide with the condom? | |
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| Pregnant girl threatening
Posted: 9/11/2009 10:53:56 PM | Threatening? With child support? While I know what you mean, you also have to know that if you're the father then you're probably going to have to help support that child no matter how much money you make or what your lack of money is.
Also, how is it that you don't have enough extra money to help support your child at 38 years old but a 20 year old should be able to support the child by herself? Are you thinking at all about the child or the mother or just of yourself?
Lastly, at 38 years old you should know that no protection is 100% safe and having any vaginal sex with a woman could produce and unwanted child. That's something that you have to factor in whenever you have sex. You should be old enough and wise enought to realize that by now.
Oh, one more thing. I don't blame her for not taking a morning after pill or getting an abortion. That child is half hers and by killing it is not only like killing a human being, but also like killing a part of herself.
Ed | |
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| Pregnant girl threatening
Posted: 9/12/2009 12:04:21 AM | kick her in the gut? ...i dont know...
^^^Either that or just push her down a flight of steps... | |
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| Pregnant girl threatening
Posted: 9/12/2009 12:14:53 AM | doesnt matter if the condom broke..if she poked a hole in it or what....thats your blood and its ****ed in my opinion not to want to be in its life.
Enough dead beats making excuses.....man up | |
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| Pregnant girl threatening
Posted: 9/12/2009 11:22:50 AM | The lesson here, is be very careful who you sleep with. As a general rule, I think you should be cool with the idea of possibly having a child with that person, before you sleep with them.
Because you just never know. | |
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| Pregnant girl threatening
Posted: 9/12/2009 11:51:52 AM |
Hey, If you think you can raise a child on $400 a month, you are NUTS!. Let's see ,we have doctors, dentists(probably braces) clothes, school lunches, school fees,school books, school supplies, athletic equipment & fees, gas to get them to school & outside activities, food, utilities, health insurance, later, car insurance, dances, school pictures and probably more than I can't think of. This cannot be done on $400 a month, I don't care where you live. And just hope they don't break a bone or anything, geezzzzz with a deductible and co insurance left over after health ins. pays is still gonna be $4,000 where I come from.
Ok think of it like this as a father who pays child support. The $400 a month is for basic needs, everyday living! Use your head please! My son wanted an Xbox 360 got that and still paid support. He wanted a Playstation 3, got that and still payed support. He needed $2000 for a school trip to DC, I paid half and still paid support.
Only women cry about the things such as utilities, car insurance and bills such as those. You forget...we as men have to have those things or the women who cry about them would hang us out to dry. I can't have my son with me for the weekends or summers if I don't have utilities, or a car with insurance! But the day to day things to raise a child should be covered on $400 a month by the father. The mother should at least match that making it $800 to raise that child a month!
To the OP...well my friend...you make your bad...you have to lie in it! | |
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| Pregnant girl threatening
Posted: 9/12/2009 12:05:53 PM | Put a paternity test on his credit card. Test the DNA to see if in fact the child is his. If no, he's clear. If yes, I'm afraid this man at his wit's end is going to have to work a second job and pay child support. Ya played, now pay. As far as the future, masturbate. It's free.
Good news is I believe child support is based on a percentage of your income, not a flat fee. | |
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| Pregnant girl threatening
Posted: 9/13/2009 2:31:11 PM | BP A couple of your statistics contradict each other:
Information from multiple sources shows that only 10% of all noncustodial fathers fit the "deadbeat dad" category:
Non-custodial fathers who totally default on support: 26.9% | |
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| Pregnant girl threatening
Posted: 9/29/2009 11:39:27 PM | | He might as well step up, get a paternity test and agree on child support if it's his. OTHERWISE, the state may assign her up to 65% of his GROSS (not take home) pay until he is caught up, then it drops to 55% | |
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| Pregnant girl threatening
Posted: 9/30/2009 2:32:03 AM | How about some more information on this situation....
1. Does she have any more kids from previous relationships?
2. A 38 year old with a 20 year old.... Does she do drugs? What the HECK!
Cripes... Another kid with a broken /non-existent home. | |
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| Pregnant girl threatening
Posted: 9/30/2009 5:31:42 AM | prior to having sex, you should sit down and discuss how each of you would feel should the girl get pregnant. Then decide on the safest most appropriate form of birth controls. I believe both should partake in the using of BC (pill, diaphram, IUD, for girl and condoms for a guy)
During this discussion BOTH need to realise that the girl could get pregnant. If you BOTH aren't on the same page regarding abortion. DON'T HAVE SEX.
If you can't look at a girl and say "hey I would be ok if we had a baby in 9 months" DON'T HAVE SEX.
I | |
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| Pregnant girl threatening
Posted: 9/30/2009 6:47:56 AM |
BP A couple of your statistics contradict each other:
Sacred, the typical "deadbeat dad" category is fathers that can afford to pay and don't. i believe i also pasted the stat that said 53% of men who default make less than like 7k a year.
I didn't do the research myself, just pasted so people could see. | |
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| Pregnant girl threatening
Posted: 9/30/2009 10:42:49 AM | | There are always risks involved with having sex.You play u pay and it is a sad situation. | |
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| Pregnant girl threatening
Posted: 9/30/2009 1:42:38 PM | Msg 428.
I've got news for you, men can't just give up parental rights and get out of child support. The only way to do that is, woman remarries and new hubby adopts by him giving up his parental rights. Then it's done. But as long as his name is on that birth certificate or has been named as the father, child support is on!!!!!
Of course, that is in my state, can't speak for the rest of the states. But, logic tells ya, it's not that easy.
Msg 448.
the percent you speak of that make less than $7k per yr??? Oh, yeah, those are the ones that are self employed.................$7k per yr my arse! Anyone self employed, knows how to do that one.
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| Pregnant girl threatening
Posted: 9/30/2009 5:14:09 PM | Ok, I can speak quite confidently on this subject, at least for the State of Michigan.
First of all, in MI., no father can give up their right to their child unless mom is remarried for a minimum of a year and step-dad agrees to an adoption. The court does not take away a child's father without reason (abuse?), whether that parent is involved in the childs life or not.
Secondly on the matter of child support. Each county has a local 'Friend of the Court' office, this office or the Prosecuting Attorney office sets the amount of child support (depending on the type of case) based on a formula that our State Representatives have set up. It is based on both parents income, who pays for child care, who pays for health care and how many over nights each parent has the child(ren).
If a parent doesn't work, their previous income will be used, or minimum wage based on 40 hrs per week. No one gets away without an income, and on one gets away without paying, or at least owing child support!
As for the statistics listed above, for every one listed, I can contradict... They are just numbers...
Men 'and' women are ordered to pay support, they both leave their children, my best guess is that 1 in 4 payers of child support are mothers... just my guess from what I see day to day....
Hope this helps.... | |
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