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| Rally to Impeach Dubbya
Posted: 9/15/2005 2:58:10 PM | | ~ foxe, i made reference to NO full-blown war. What are you talking about ? | |
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| Rally to Impeach Dubbya
Posted: 9/15/2005 3:07:19 PM | that's the spirit ninki!!!!
and people have to know about this enough in advance to be able to make their plans...
so everyone please tell everyone you know who will be interested in this asap.
it's a 3 day event, so some will need lodging and be sure to cover their travel and food expenses... i don't know what kind of provisions for this are being made, but i'm sure that information can be found at the site i put in the first post. i can't get there, but i'm telling everyone i know about this and will do everything i can to support this effort.
it's not only about the impeachment, it's about the american people taking their democracy back... you know... by the people for the people.... it's about waking up this spirit again, it's about KNOWING that you can do something to change the way things are.... and then DOING!! it's about moving and shaking.... we've been too complacent for far too long.
There is nothing 'un-american' about speaking out against the people who are running the country if they are doing a bad job of it... it's not only the right of the american people, it is a responsibility that must be fulfilled... and that is what democracy is all about. | |
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Posted: 9/15/2005 3:34:08 PM | Fox:
What is it you want me to get straight? Are you saying he didn't bomb Iraq?
Go back and read it again. Don't try to be coy or obtuse.
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| Rally to Impeach Dubbya
Posted: 9/15/2005 3:42:25 PM | I am not sure that GWB has done anything that could get him impeached...
Don't get me wrong, I don't like him or his policies, I just don't think there is sufficient grounds for impeachment. | |
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Posted: 9/15/2005 4:05:37 PM | Hey, Playful:
When the evidence of invading Iraq under false pretenses, based on lies and the pressure from the oligarchy, neocons and PNAC, is fully exposed, it will be seen to rise to the level of an impeachable offense, i.e., "high crimes". Only the arrogant and ignorant of the extreme right will try to refute it. As usual, Bush will remain arrogant and without self-examination.
This rally will call attention to the process and the need, and pressure Congress to grow a spine.
"There are none so blind as those who have eyes but who will not see."
David | |
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Posted: 9/15/2005 4:16:16 PM | | It would have to be shown that he knew that it was false pretenses...wouldn't it? | |
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Posted: 9/15/2005 4:30:31 PM | | The Downing Street Memo, the infamous State of the Union address' 16 words, Rice referring to mushroom clouds over American soil, the Aug 6th PDR stating Osama determined to attack US, Richard Clarke's testimony to the 911 commission, the Plame affair, Cheney referring to eminent nuclear attacks, and the PNAC paper, "Rebuilding America's Defenses" all add up to some pretty substantial evidence that the (P)resident purposefully lied both to Congress and the American people to pursue a predilected agenda that was not in the best interests of the US. October will be an interesting month as the Fitzgerald's grand jury releases its findings(Oct. 14th, I think). | |
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Posted: 9/15/2005 4:31:44 PM | Are you saying he's too dense to have understood it? Now, that would be interesting: The dummy defense!!
Actually, yes, I think he would have to know, but the motive was in place years earlier thanks to the neocons. They pushed Bush Sr., they pushed Clinton, and they pushed Dub and he fell over! Have you seen the letter the PNAC sent to Dub only a few days after 11 Sep? And neocons and PNAC were part of the administration: Penis Cheney was a signer of the PNAC's principles! And Dub was asking questions of his staff and military: when can we do Iraq? When? When? Huh? Huh? Huh? It begs the question: how could he not know?!
Like I said, this rally and the process it will promote will bring out a lot of evidence, and spin doctors going nuts trying to put some lipstick on their pig, and then trying to sell it.
It'll be interesting.
David
Yea, what Beachcomber said! ^^^^^^^^^
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Posted: 9/15/2005 6:43:54 PM | " 'There were no wars launched when HE was President.'
Huh. You are aware of the secret bombings that took place in Iraq when Clinton was in office?"
REPEAT: There were no wars launched when he was president. Pay closer attention, please.
(But I'll grant you, you were right and I was wrong about ol' Willie getting impeached! ) | |
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Posted: 9/15/2005 6:53:33 PM | | That's Downing Street memos, plural, there are a bunch: http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/840 | |
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| Rally to Arrest Dubbya
Posted: 9/15/2005 7:05:36 PM |
Personally, I'd prefer attending a rally to arrest, indict and sentence the whole Bush family to life in prison.
Yes, I agree with that 100%. Unfortunately, it'll never happen. I guess, Clinton lying about a blowjob was far worse than all of Bush's lies and deceptions. And then some people say there are no conspiracies...
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Posted: 9/15/2005 7:19:38 PM |
I guess, Clinton lying about a blowjob was far worse than all of Bush's lies and deceptions.
According to the far right, YES!! Of course, what were you thinking?
Actually, It is my sincere hope that history will show that the reverse is true, that Bush will be in far bigger trouble than Clinton ever was. The scale of the apparent crimes is so much greater anyway. We'll see.
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Posted: 9/15/2005 7:34:10 PM | @ lola05,
~ foxe, i made reference to NO full-blown war. What are you talking about ?
The bombing Clinton did wasn't a conventional war.
@ JacksSmerkingRevenge,
Never said bin Ladan was in Iraq either...
What were you referring to?
War -
A state of open, armed, often prolonged conflict carried on between nations, states, or parties.
The period of such conflict.
The techniques and procedures of war; military science.
A condition of active antagonism or contention: a war of words; a price war.
A concerted effort or campaign to combat or put an end to something considered injurious: the war against acid rain.
The Clinton View of Iraq-al Qaeda Ties
From the December 29, 2003 / January 5, 2004 issue: Connecting the dots in 1998, but not in 2003.
ARE AL QAEDA'S links to Saddam Hussein's Iraq just a fantasy of the Bush administration? Hardly. The Clinton administration also warned the American public about those ties and defended its response to al Qaeda terror by citing an Iraqi connection.
For nearly two years, starting in 1996, the CIA monitored the al Shifa pharmaceutical plant in Khartoum, Sudan. The plant was known to have deep connections to Sudan's Military Industrial Corporation, and the CIA had gathered intelligence on the budding relationship between Iraqi chemical weapons experts and the plant's top officials. The intelligence included information that several top chemical weapons specialists from Iraq had attended ceremonies to celebrate the plant's opening in 1996. And, more compelling, the National Security Agency had intercepted telephone calls between Iraqi scientists and the plant's general manager.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/527uwabl.asp
There's more to read. | |
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Posted: 9/15/2005 8:15:04 PM | Well, Fox, you have finally wondered into the trap of truth. Do you know who William Kristol is? Huh? Well, do ya? Besides being the the head of the Weekly Standard, one of the right's favorite paper mouthpieces, he is also head of the PNAC!!! Don't you get it? The neocons with their precious PNAC have been behind aggression against targets in the Middle east for 12-15 years. Look it up, damn it! I told you before they were whispering in the ear of Bush Sr., with only limited success. They tried and tried and tried to get Clinton to do more, again with limited success. But they had DUB in their pockets FROM THE START. Many of the PNAC proponents joined the administration. Penis Cheney was one of the signers of the PNAC's statement of principles!! Paul Wolfowitz!!!!! So was William Kristol!!!!! Who? William Kristol!!!!! SNAP!!!!
So do you want to compare BushCo's lying about WMDs, and the whole suite of charges that Beachcomber laid out above, against one effort to launch surgical strikes against suspected targets in Sudan? Again, well, do ya? How about nearly 2000 good American soldiers dead for his gawddamn lies, 150,000-200,000 dead Iraqis, virtually all innocent? How about 200+ billion damn dollars spend to steal Iraqi oil for western use? What would William Kristol have to say about that? What would Bush say? "Oh, we're problems solvers"!! SNAP!!!!!
Instead of trying to find weak evidence to spread out blame on behalf of a bankrupt administration, do a search for PNAC. I read the article on Clinton, now you do some work yourself. Read, critically. Listen. Read the history. Then do it again!!!! Then maybe you'll find a way out of the trap. Welcome to the sunlight.
David
Then maybe you'll go to the impeachment rally, at least in spirit. | |
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Posted: 9/15/2005 8:47:58 PM | Yes, that 's right, Heavy!!! JEB! The Bush waiting in the bushes!!!!
Everybody, look them up!!! Then try to catch your skin before it crawls off entirely!!!!!
This is the stuff of horror movies, only IT'S REAL!!!
David | |
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Posted: 9/15/2005 10:45:15 PM | Thank you for this forum thread, I am very encouraged to see all those speaking out, Ninki's enthusiastic support, the great links from nothinheavy.
Today I was listening to the re-cap on the hearings for Supreme Court Justice. To protect our country we need accountability, not stealth, constant spin and manipulation. We are a democracy, I refuse -- with every cell of my body-- to let that be taken away by GW Bush, by Roberts, Ashcroft, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Rove, etc.
New Orleans should not again become a field for speculators and private profit making. We had that post Civil War, already! Especially not at the expense of below normal wage workers.
I am very, very fed up. I wish I knew of more ways to have an impact. | |
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| Rally to Impeach Dubbya
Posted: 9/16/2005 7:17:21 AM | The only way to ever change the future is by finding good people to take the place of the bad ones you want to oust,....just ousting isn't enough,....if you have a long list of iddiots or worse waiting in the wings to fill the void,....
and just out of curriosity,....how exactly is it possible to GET IMPEACHED,...and still stay in office,...
I thought that impeaching,...means getting fired,.... | |
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| Rally to Impeach Dubbya
Posted: 9/16/2005 7:42:51 AM | Somewhere, and not to be divisive, we discussed Clinton's impeachment recently. It does not mean much if all the Senate does is slap your wrist. I suppose after going through the hearings the country is pretty worn, and it is disgraceful enough without actually tossing a president, especially a lame duck. I suppose false testimony and obstruction is not enough reason to boot a president, but it needs to be dealt with. Should a president be caught pilfering money or selling secrets, or God knows what else, that would be reason to take them out. Poor policy or poor policy execution is not.
Nixon thought enough, and was embarrassed enough just to leave. Willy was right to just let the country forget. We have a short attention span.
I always wondered why politicians just cannot admit the truth in a scandal, and the whole matter goes away. It always does. There is not scandal if I am forthcoming. Barney Clark comes to mind. If Gov. James McGreevey had been blatent about his 'proclivities' he would still be governor.
Just a rant, nothing more. | |
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Posted: 9/16/2005 7:48:25 AM | to "impeach" means calling something to question. Clinton's leadership was called to question by the Republicans, who had a majority in congress. The question itself and the premise OF that question was so weak and repugnant that they couldn't even muster a majority of their own party to kick Clinton out of office.
Reason?
The were (at that time) afraid of voter backlash or an overrule by the Supreme Court.
The whole incident was a sham brought up as part of the Whitewater investigation and may well have been decided; even by this supreme court, as a violation of Clinton's civil rights as it had absolutely nothing to do with that investigation; which made Clinton's refusal to admit the truth a moot point. | |
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Posted: 9/16/2005 7:50:58 AM | | Absolutely Dallasguy. Remember another Louisiana Governor who said the only way he could be defeated is if he was found in bed with a dead girl or a live boy. The people are much less prurient than the media. | |
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| Rally to Impeach Dubbya
Posted: 9/16/2005 8:21:00 AM | foxefire...
"If Bush is impeached Cheney will be in charge."
Personally I wouldn't have a problem with Cheney in charge. I'm in the petroleum industry and have met with GWB as well as****Cheney. As a business owner, I'd rather work with****any day of the week. Contrary to what many think Cheney is a guy that can get things done.
Lets just ask George to step down and let****take charge. Yup, I'd like that. I can't afford much more of George's compassionate conservatism.  | |
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Posted: 9/16/2005 8:47:45 AM | Dallasguy
They know they dont have ANY CHANCE of this even getting off the ground. They whine about impeachment simply because they dont like his policies. Hell, I don`t like all of the presidents policies, but, he is MY PRESIDENT and I will follow him. Impeachment is thrown around like a 2 cent word in a $10 dictionary. This so called rally will be filled with people who are trying to force their views on the unwilling. They might get the adolesent vote though, you know the ones they want to get at early. | |
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Posted: 9/16/2005 11:08:22 AM | Here's an update on what is now showing on the United for Peace site...
i'm no longer seeing the main agenda of the rally to be impeachment, persay, but it does call for justice regarding those responsible for the illegal iraq invasion and justice for the vicitms of katrina who suffered due to lack of government response, as well as a call to end the occupation of iraq and aid the people there in recovery.
Some of the salient points of the Iraq Campaign are:
· After Katrina, fund full recovery of the Gulf Coast, not War on Iraq.
· Stop Torture in Guantanamo, in Iraq, and Around the World!
· End Congressional Spending on the War
· Military Families Travel to Iraq to Say Bring the Troops Home!
· Where Next for the Global Anti-War and Anti-Globalization Movements?
I'll keep posting updates, but for detailed updates and information, please visit the site, there is far too much to post here... there is also info available there on transport and housing if you are planning on attending the rally.
the link is in my second post on page one of this topic.
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| Rally to Impeach Dubbya
Posted: 9/21/2005 9:34:21 PM |
leanhaunshee
" I've just heard today from a friend in nyc that there is to be a rally in Washington,
D.C. on the 24th of September to Impeach GWB.... " (msg:1)
^^ " i'm no longer seeing the main agenda of the rally to be impeachment, persay, ...
.. justice for the vicitms of katrina who suffered due to lack of government response.."
~ 2 more days. . .
~ Wondering why " impeachment " is not now part of the, " main agenda ",
given that i view this action as very much central to, "justice for the victims of katrina"
as an addition, ... to restoration and compensation.
.. No one can now, bring back the lives of dead Americans. But certainly the negligent
and incompetant actions of President Bush, while leading this administration, had far more disastrous direct negative impact on the lives of Americans, and their grieving family members, than anything that Clinton ever did.
Clinton's impeachment was a travesty of American justice.
Comparitively, what negative effect did Clinton's sexual behavior have, directly,
on the lives of Americans ? The actual impeachment process had far greater potential negative effect, for the country and it's citizens, in that it served as an unnecessary persistent distraction, and impediment to goals of administration that were of far greater priority.
In hindsight, one of those priorities might have been increasing security for the
country. And perhaps a greater focus on enemies ... conspiring ... outside of the U.S.
The "witch hunt" that resulted in this President having his focus redirected,
at defending himself on issues that were too personal to have any significant impact
on the lives of Americans served, not the American people, but the political opposition
party who placed their own political goals above the needs American citizens.
President Bush's negligence, and incompetance, failed the victims of Katrina.
As Americans, they were not less entitled, to security and life saving aid,
by their Federal government.
" ... from that equal creation they derive rights inherent and inalienable,
among which are the preservation of life and liberty,.. " ~ Thomas Jefferson
Particularly given the promises of security, supposedly afforded by the ...
Federal Department of Homeland Security, and Federal Emergency Management Agency.
President Bush's gross, and deadly inaction shamed America in the eyes of the world.
Justice could only involve legal action, impeachment, and removal from office.
A consequence that would historicaly reflect the seriousness of his grave failure
as a leader, and as an administrator. Historically, this would send a message that
never again will a preventable tragedy of this magnitude, be tolerated by the
American people.
Anything less, would serve as a profound injustice to those Americans who have died,
as well as their family members. And American justice, would further, be losing all meaning. | |
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