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Posted: 9/22/2005 7:23:17 PM |
" We in Canada love America, so speak for yourself. "
~ There is something ... sooooo Wrong ... about that sentence. ~ 
"It has never been proven that Bush fixed elections, and at this point, who cares if he did."
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Posted: 9/22/2005 7:31:11 PM |
~ There is something ... sooooo Wrong ... about that sentence. ~
And what exactly is wrong with it? The poster was indicating that the WORLD hates America. I could have put I love America, but the fact is that most Canadians do like America, so WE is a representation of most Canadians. Speak for YOURSELF is an expression that the poster was trying to represent the WORLD view of America, he was speaking on behalf of Canadians as we are part of the world....ah nevermind, I think you get the point.......... | |
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Posted: 9/22/2005 7:37:34 PM |
" The poster was indicating that the WORLD hates America. "
"... the poster was trying to represent the WORLD view of America,
.... he was speaking on behalf of Canadians as we are part of the world
~ eagle ? ... i must have missed something ! Who is this poster ? ... and which post ? | |
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Posted: 9/22/2005 7:44:09 PM | Sorry Lola, I thought you had read what I was responding to, which was post # 65 I believe, by Beachcomberben;
Foreign relations
Turning the world against the United States
I responded with the sentence you said made no sense..."We in Canada Love America so speak for yourself.", because I do not believe that the world does hate the US...in fact just as many immigrants want to get in there.
By the way, cute lil penguin, LOL, what does it mean? | |
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Posted: 9/22/2005 7:47:46 PM | lola,
i was wondering myself why the impeachment issue seemed to be off the main agenda, even though there is also a call for justice and to hold those responsible accountable for the illegal war and occupation of iraq and oh-so-slow response to the katrina disaster.
i was told, though i've not seen anything about it yet, that there will also be a demonstration with the main focus being impeachment, for bush and several other high officials, on the same day as the 'stop the war - justice for katrina victims' demonstration. i hope this is true and the many will be able to participate in both.
i wish i could afford the air fare (and lodging) to get there!! | |
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Posted: 9/22/2005 7:51:46 PM | jack mack, you said...
I'd really like to see the list of charges this movement has come up with to rally hundreds to sign on to impeach Bush. Do you have a link to this supposed movement website or perhaps their agenda and changes??
so to answer your question....
nothinheavy posted this link on the first page, where there are a few other links that might answer your questions.... too bad you missed them :(
http://zzpat.bravehost.com/category/impeachable_offenses.html | |
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Posted: 9/22/2005 7:53:15 PM | Criticizing the policies of the US does not imply that I hate my country. Your blind allegiance represents more of a threat to our way of life than any terrorist's bomb.
To announce that there must be no criticism of the president... is morally treasonable to the American public. -Theodore Roosevelt
Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people. -Theodore Roosevelt | |
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Posted: 9/22/2005 7:58:45 PM | yes of course!!
it's our duty and responsibility as american citizens to speak out when we believe that those who run our country are running it into the ground... isn't that what a democracy is all about? | |
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Posted: 9/22/2005 8:01:28 PM | ~ eagle hon ? ... our dear Ben ... is Not Canadian.
He's American. And noone has more right to address this topic, than he does.
" ... because I do not believe that the world does hate the US..."
... i believe alot of people hate U.S. foreign policy, and the present administration..
Most, i hope, don't hate the American people.
In fact, many people around the world aspire to be just like the American people.
Especially the youth. In Japan ...Iran...alot of people would be very surprised.
" ... cute lil penguin, LOL, what does it mean? "
... he's my lil friend. ... and he's Canadian. ... and he was squinting at you. 
Edit: Ben, ... Theodore Roosevelt.  | |
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Posted: 9/22/2005 8:44:27 PM |
" .. impeachment issue ... oh-so-slow response to the katrina disaster
...justice for katrina victims' demonstration. "
~ leanhaunshee,
... i think any attempts towards impeachment on " Justice for Katrina victims "
at this point will be premature. Though i'm glad, if citizens remain mindful of it,
for the future. The full evidence of this tragedy is not even yet realized.
Katrina's Death Toll Climbs Past 1,000 - sept 22
By ADAM NOSSITER, AP ONLINE
NEW ORLEANS (AP) - Searchers looking for bodies smashed into homes that had been
locked or submerged under Hurricane Katrina's highest floodwaters, pushing the overall
body count past 1,000 as another hurricane threatens to prolong the hunt for the dead.
The death toll in Louisiana stood at 799 on Wednesday, an increase of 153 since the weekend and nearly 80 percent of the 1,036 deaths attributed to Katrina across the Gulf Coast region. Officials said the effort could last another four to six weeks.
" There still could be quite a few, especially in the deepest flooded areas," said
U.S. Coast Guard Capt. Jeffrey Pettitt. " Some of the houses, they haven't been in yet."
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At one home, Miami-Dade Fire Department Capt. Edan Jacobs kicked at a door a dozen
times, then used a sledgehammer. Police officers and National Guardsmen stood by,
weapons ready, as emaciated dogs circled.
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Dr. Louis Cataldie, medical incident commander for Louisiana, said the elderly appear
to make up the bulk of the dead but that searchers also are finding more children.
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Many homes are unsafe to enter, while others lay under piles of muck and debris.
Some homes are so structurally unsound they are marked, "Do not enter."
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Much of the final search was being conducted in eastern New Orleans.
Crews probed areas of the city that just recently have been drained enough to allow
ground searches - neighborhoods that were closest to the fractured levees and bore
the brunt of the floodwaters' force.
As the weeks pass, the urgency of the task increases because bodies are decomposing rapidly.
Bodies are still found scattered around homes and in streets. On Tuesday, a badly decomposed corpse in the Ninth Ward lay draped over a fence, its nearly skeletized
head resting on the ground and one leg jutting in the air.
Pettitt, the Coast Guard official in charge of retrieval, acknowledged frustration with the process and with trying to coordinate with Kenyon International Emergency Services, the private company that has contracted with the state to remove the bodies.
Gov. Kathleen Blanco asked President Bush on Wednesday to appoint an independent commission to investigate the preparations for and response to Hurricane Katrina
- adding her voice to a chorus of Democrats calling for an independent investigation.
Bush has named Frances Fragos Townsend, his in-house homeland security adviser,
to lead an administration investigation into the sluggish federal response to Katrina.
The appointment of Townsend, a former federal prosecutor, hasn't satisfied Democrats
on Capitol Hill who are demanding a fully independent investigation.
09/22/05 02:38 EDT (full article)
http://news.channels.aolsvc.aol.ca/news/article.adp?id=20050922024109990011
It seems that there are homes that may contain dead Americans
who may never be counted, or accounted for.
If those homes are just bulldozed, ... that will be an added disgrace.
Given the enormous geographical dispersion of the former population of citizens
of New Orleans, those dead Americans might just be assumed " missing ". Their
wherabouts, a mystery for those in denial, who are hoping for the best.
... i would be eager to learn the outcome of an " independant investigation " .
" On Tuesday, a badly decomposed corpse in the Ninth Ward lay draped over a fence,
its nearly skeletized head resting on the ground and one leg jutting in the air. "
This was a United States Citizen. This, was someone's family member. | |
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Posted: 9/22/2005 8:47:52 PM | >>>It was the Puritanical Republican party who did that. With their persistent attempts to malign and discredit Clinton in any way they could. And finally, what was it ? ... Bl*w-jobs !
Let me see - the man cheats on his wife and lies about what he did - is that what Americans wanted for a president? Like it or not, the President has a moral responsibility to lead - morally and honestly. Clinton was neither moral nor honest. We haven't even discussed issues such as 'selling' the White House bedrooms like some sort of bed and breakfast, or the numerous other scandals Clinton's administration was involved in.
And I find it entertaining in the extreme that the Republicans are being slagged for trying to 'get' Clinton - gee, sort of like how the Dems are trying to 'get' Bush now?
Wasn't President Reagan considered by the Democrats to be worse than Satan - yet, history now credits the ending of the Cold War and the breakup of the Soviet Union - oh yes, the falling of the Berlin Wall - to Reagan. Nah, ask any Democrat, no Republican could have achieved all that.
As for pre 9/11, there were serious security concerns stemming from the Clinton administration, and I have no doubt that many of the changes Clinton brought about led, in part, to the tragedy of 9/11.
I find it interesting that this rally to impeach Bush has an interfaith ceremony involved - here in Canada, that would not happen, since religion in the public context is not acceptable. It is even against the law to speak theLord's Prayer at the opening of public meetings. There is no freedom of speech in Canada either...just take a look at our hate crime laws, such as Bill C250.
America - you don't know how good you have it - but if you'd like to, just ask any of the millions of immigrants coming to your shores each year - from places like - gasp - Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, China, Japan, Europe, Africa....you know, all those places that are supposed to hate America so much.
Hey all you blinkered Democrats...wake up and take a look at the real world, not the fuzzy pink one you inhabit.
A Canadian Sailor | |
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Posted: 9/22/2005 8:51:50 PM |
Let me see - the man cheats on his wife and lies about what he did - is that what Americans wanted for a president?
Better than a man whose lies lead to many thousands of deaths, and even more suffering. | |
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Posted: 9/22/2005 8:53:34 PM |
Let me see - the man cheats on his wife and lies about what he did - is that what Americans wanted for a president? Like it or not, the President has a moral responsibility to lead - morally and honestly. Clinton was neither moral nor honest. We haven't even discussed issues such as 'selling' the White House bedrooms like some sort of bed and breakfast, or the numerous other scandals Clinton's administration was involved in.
And I find it entertaining in the extreme that the Republicans are being slagged for trying to 'get' Clinton - gee, sort of like how the Dems are trying to 'get' Bush now?
Wasn't President Reagan considered by the Democrats to be worse than Satan - yet, history now credits the ending of the Cold War and the breakup of the Soviet Union - oh yes, the falling of the Berlin Wall - to Reagan. Nah, ask any Democrat, no Republican could have achieved all that. I ask this often, and I never get a response... this is a typical statement in the middle of a discussion about Bush. I don't understand what one has to do with the other. To your credit, you haven't specifically mentioned his penis, or any oral activities specific to the situation (which is usually how it's presented.) So you've got class. But still, what in the world does this have to do with whether Bush has committed an impeachable offense?
America - you don't know how good you have it - but if you'd like to, just ask any of the millions of immigrants coming to your shores each year - from places like - gasp - Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, China, Japan, Europe, Africa....you know, all those places that are supposed to hate America so much.
You assume a lot. Too much, actually. | |
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Posted: 9/22/2005 8:54:37 PM |
Everything you've said under this category was a necessity to deal with terrorism. The US could not just stand by and watch it happen doing nothing.
So terrorism has been dealt with... by vastly increasing the amount of terrorism? Doesn't make sense to me.
It has never been proven that Bush fixed elections, and at this point, who cares if he did.
Only people who care about honest elections and democracy. You see, if the Republicans did fix the election, and they get away with it, they will continue to do so in the future. | |
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Posted: 9/22/2005 9:13:49 PM | lola...
the justice for katrina victims is part of the no more iraq war demonstration, (cindy sheehan is involved in organising this) which is the main event... (i think there is a separate one regarding the impeachment issues)... i don't think it's specifically for impeachment, rather to insist that questions about what happened will not be allowed to go unanswered. it also deals with money that is being used to fund the iraq 'war' be directed towards the katrina victims... and now, of course, we have rita about to strike... i can't believe the enormity of this storm, it's truly a horror! and all those people who have already been evacuated from their homes for the one storm are now on the run again. and no, i don't think the true tragedy of what happened has been realised, and after rita hits, i wonder if we'll ever really know...
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now.... not exactly on this issue, but it is about the people of the world coming together and making things change for the better... and as clinton has been brought up again....
i've just finished watching the world summit meeting organised by clinton, who has invited bono, queen rania, paul wolfowitz, and all kinds of people working to abolish hunger and poverty in the world... very interesting... it's also about environmental issues and clean energy, how to solve the problem of religious extremism, the pros and cons of the precious right of free speech ie: when it's used to incite violence and murder... and lots of other stuff!!!!
one comment just made was that americans believe that the us gov't gives more funding towards this cause than any other country, and ummm they don't, not even close....
nor do the american people, (europeans are the biggest donators) but, bono said he thinks this is because most americans don't believe the money they donate will get to where it's needed, and so an idea was proposed to educate, not just americans, but everyone as to what is spent where and by whom.
clinton said that he's happy that now he can get aids medicine to people in impoverished nations via private organisations at a fraction of the cost that had to be paid to do this through the us gov't while he was president.
basically it's about the world's people coming together to make everything better for everyone. hmmm... that's pretty much what i believe in... all together, we CAN make a difference.
well, it's hard to type and listen at the same time... i'll try to recap what i can remember tomorrow... i hope some of you have been able to watch this.... an hour was too short.
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ps to lola... i think clinton is planning an independent investigation ;) | |
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Posted: 9/22/2005 9:21:23 PM | ~ canucksailor
" I find it interesting that this rally to impeach Bush has an interfaith ceremony involved
here in Canada, that would not happen, since religion in the public context is not acceptable."
~ Guess you missed all those anti-abortion rallies. .... *rolls eyes*
"It is even against the law to speak the Lord's Prayer at the opening of public meetings."
THAT .. is called ... separation of church and state.
Historically thought, ... by rational people, ... as a good thing.
" There is no freedom of speech in Canada either...
just take a look at our hate crime laws, such as Bill C250.
~ Yeah ! Let's bring on the Hate Speech ! ~ 
... now should weeeee, ... " speak the Lord's Prayer ", ... before ... or afterwards.
Why don't we just mingle it, ... following the prevalent tendency. ... Yeah !
... like your flag, ... "Canadian Sailor "... man. ~ ~ | |
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Posted: 9/22/2005 9:25:39 PM | " I find it interesting that this rally to impeach Bush has an interfaith ceremony involved
here in Canada, that would not happen, since religion in the public context is not acceptable." I think that you're a little bit confused. A rally is generally not a government sponsored event... that is more at the heart of the matter.
To say that religion in the public context is acceptable is just inaccurate. So basing anything on that assumption will probably be wrong too... | |
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Posted: 9/22/2005 9:26:49 PM | canucksailor...
what's wrong with an interfaith ceremony? it's not an obligation, it is non-denominational, and as the rally lasts for three days... saturday, sunday and monday (two of those days are sabbaths/holydays for many) i think it's rather reasonable to offer a ceremony that will be able to handle the the amount of people who are expected to attend....
not only that, a non-denominational ceremony seems to me a very good thing in times of such religious discord... rather a building of bridges rather than walls.
i wonder if there will be any wiccan bits in there ;) | |
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Posted: 9/22/2005 9:36:14 PM |
" i've just finished watching the world summit meeting organised by clinton, who has
invited bono, queen rania, paul wolfowitz, and all kinds of people working to abolish hunger and poverty in the world... very interesting... it's also about environmental issues and clean energy, how to solve the problem of religious extremism, the pros and cons of the precious right of free speech ie: when it's used to incite violence and murder... and lots of other stuff!!!! "
Thankyou leanhaunshee !  ... for that information !
... i wish i saw that, but i'll search for information on it.
<------ ( loves Bono ! ~ ... His Bravery, and his music.)  | |
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Posted: 9/22/2005 9:40:08 PM | | They need to impeach the whole group of them. It's absolutely disgusting how he has bankrupted this country in the name of personal greed. Him, Cheney, Rumsfeld, the whole bunch should be strung from the nearest tree for the dishonor they have brought this country. You can say alot of things about Clintons sexcapades, but when he was in office people had jobs and could feed their families. Between the job losses, falsely inflated gas prices, the make my friends rich war in Iraq and Afganistan, loss of rights, and all the blatant lies this man spews forth he should have been impeached during his first term. He will without a doubt outshine Nixon in his dishonesty. At least Nixon had done a few good deeds to redeem himself while in office. It is sad how the extreme right with egg all over their faces still try to proclaim this a good man. I bet in 3 weeks when gas hits $5 a gallon as predicted there will be more than a few losing their shirt of the day religion that keeps this charlatan in office. He is a thoroughly disgraceful man propped up by greed and the inability of many to admit a mistake. When all is said and done the idiots backing him are wishing he was just being questioned about a BJ. Sorry for the rant, I just haven't been so absolutely disgusted in a while. | |
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Posted: 9/22/2005 9:42:34 PM | lola... ahhh i'm glad you enjoyed that!!
i watched it on cnn international. i'm sure it will be repeated in the next few days, so keep an eye out for it :)
ps... bono was great!! (cute & funny too :P ) | |
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Posted: 9/22/2005 11:43:47 PM | "Now BC, is this from the group of dozens of people who wanna try to impeach the president? Or is this from your own vault of your own reasons why?
I was really hoping for a link to the group or people or person regarding the impeachment thing. Got one for me??"
Well, now you're just being willfully ignorant. You been given a list of facts, but still you demand to see a link?!?! Why? Just more delaying tactics so you don't have to face the truth, no doubt. Sad. | |
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Posted: 9/23/2005 2:42:05 AM | Let me see - the man cheats on his wife and lies about what he did - is that what Americans wanted for a president?
Apparently they don't give a rat's behind, as long as he can run a country
like a competent CEO he could have an affair with a sheep for they care.
Nobody elect's a president because he goes to church every Sunday....r u nuts??
Speaking of cheating.....you do realize we are at war w/ Iraq because of another
kind of cheating, do you not? ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL the evidence
was manufactured....so, it's up to you, you can either side with a president
who cheated on his wife, or you can side with the little monkey who cheated on
the ENTIRE population of the U.S. which resulted in 1900 deaths of American
soldiers and counting.
Why is it that everytime a republican speaks, he ends up eating his own words.
Throw something my way so I can throw it back in your face and then some :) | |
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Posted: 9/23/2005 4:00:33 AM |
he could have an affair with a sheep for they care.
You're on the right track above... don't overdo it with stuff like this or you'll lose your momentum (or at least start to be wrong...) | |
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Posted: 9/23/2005 5:15:30 AM | just a thought on the clinton cheating thing...
the person who the affair with monica affected the most has, it would seem, forgiven the guy and patched things up so they can both move on.... of course i'm talking about his WIFE!!! if she can get over the fact that her husband was unfaithful to her and the whole thing came out in public like a bad soap opera... why oh why can't the american republicans?
and btw... europeans get a real kick out of the us gov't (republicans) wanting to impeach a pres for such a thing... you have no idea how silly that looks from across the pond.
anyway, i don't care what anyone says, i like clinton and i'm glad he's still around getting things done and shaking things up.
i liked him when he was president, and i like the man he is now. he cares about people and he moves his ass to do something about it.... i wouldn't mind having him back in the whitehouse, and when i hear him addressed as 'mr. president' i feel happy for a brief moment, as if all the horrors that have come about in the last five years melt away, and somehow true diplomacy has replaced the war cry....
but that's just a dream, and the iraq war is real, and the people dead in both gulfs are still dead and more are dying...
still... from what i have seen lately... clinton, as a private citizen, has actually got a lot more power and freedom to do good things for the underpriveleged and uniting people to work together towards universally beneficial goals than he did as president. His obvious true-felt compassion and empathy for the more unfortunate people on the planet can be heard in his voice and seen in his actions... that alone is much much more than anyone can say about the soulless empty-hearted man who is in the whitehouse now.
hmmm i guess i wouldn't mind hillary in the whitehouse... a woman who can forgive her man's transgressions, even though they must have not only hurt but embarrassed her.... and on the plus side... bill could continue the work hes' been doing and still have a very strong connection to capitol hill.
i say give the man a harum if he wants one!
(if that's ok with hilary, of course... oh give her one too!!! ) | |
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