| Any guys successful in getting ex-Mom to pay child support?
Posted: 3/8/2007 5:52:42 PM | Nope, notta, nothing. It's only comes out to like 9 dollars a day for me..Never seen a peny.
I would thnk because the overwhelming majority of NCps who DON'T pay are fathers.
In raw number, but not precentage wise (in USA)..........follow the numbers....
Okay... the FACTS:....In the USA when it comes to custodial parent Mom's are 82% last fig.s I read. So the over all shear numbers are going to favor the moms regardless of the situation and regardless of how you are playing it (stats that is) simply for the fact more then 4 to 1 are women.
Now however if you go with RAW PRECENTAGE the stats by GENDER will ALWAYS look bad excepted for one.....jailed for non-support .towards the MOTHER... That's just the FACTS . Latest I could find for BOC 2002
http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/2002/cb02-137.html
http://www.census.gov/prod/2002pubs/p60-217.pdf
Percentage wise mothers:
payments are less
less are UP TO date on payments
less have full time jobs
more live in poverty
more are non high school grads
Now if you look at the over all better out come of the child/ren. The stats show much much better for single dad.
Percentage wise with mothers;
teen drop-out is higher
criminal arrest is higher
abuse sexual/physcial is higher
teen pregnancy is higher
The stats crystal clearly show percentage wise the children fare better with the dad in the USA....but why????
Well before we get on a gender bash hear out my belief that is plain as day.
Okay courts natural place the child with the mother and give the mother much much more ample time to clean up and get there act together as well as a long list of social and mental issue to cater to the female gender. Also the courts places great hurdles on the males...
Now if you take the first set of fathers the losers or half-arse dads....They didn't put up much of a fight and the child went to mom.
Take the second group of fathers. The hard working, diehard go to bat, fight for their children. They have the harder battle period. So naturally these are the stronger, most resourceful, fighters in the bunch. They fought the X, the system, fought the stereotype, and spent the most money.
So it would be plain and simple that this group (18% single Dad's) are gonna have the better stats. They are the cream of the crop to a degree.
You can't argue with the raw numbers, but asking why surely and simple is not based on gender alone by any stretch.
In closing...raw percentage wise where do the kids top out the over all best??? The ones that spend their whole life with their bio-parents that stayed married.
You really can't twist anything here I've said... don't blame the messenger. There are a lot of social dynamics in play, and the biggest one doing the most damage is parents not being responsible . | |
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| Any guys successful in getting ex-Mom to pay child support?
Posted: 3/9/2007 5:31:22 AM | | statistics on child support from the census bureau have no value - they are anecdotal - census asks questions and records answers - no independant verification. The Office of Child Support Enforcement in the Administration of Children and Families - Federal HHS - keeps statistics from State Child Support Collection agencies - real numbers - and none of the data is gender based. | |
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| Any guys successful in getting ex-Mom to pay child support?
Posted: 3/9/2007 5:41:27 AM | Wow, so you don't like statistics. IMHO that would only be a statement from someone that doesn't understand them. In the USA statistical information is gathered as the single largest tool to determine governmental budgeting.
All statistics on this board I used are of "correlational" type as where to look at relations to the facts as they are measured, not as experimental type statistic where variables are used to influence(as independent or experimental ), the type that really you CAN NOT skew Also measurement scale is most important. On USA statistics I tend to use the Bureau of Census and the Department of Health. The #1 and #2 largest compiler of stats on the globe. While there is statistic error, you will find BoC stats are extremely large demographic computer generated and with the least amount of error, usually within a couple percentage points. Unless a web site states where there information is compiled from you can chuck that information right out the window. Anyone can say anything. Also stats taken from a VERY small pool, or VERY short time frame is where someone with the lack of understanding stats will claim they are skewed... | |
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| Any guys successful in getting ex-Mom to pay child support?
Posted: 3/9/2007 7:39:28 PM | Not sure about the stats for all of America. In OK, fathers get custody over 50% of the time. I had full custody of my kids the first time I filed on their mother and she was ordered to pay CS. I did get some of it, but not all. Not to mention that a portion of it was to make the payment on the car SHE was driving.
The second time I filed on her(we ended up getting back together) I agreed to joint custody with niether of us paying CS. At one point during the process she brought up CS one time. She complained that she was broke-to which I told her to get a job(she wasn't working, just living with her new bf). Then said that I needed to help support our kids. Now, I have them 50% of the time, so I am paying 50% of their living expenses and generally a much higher precentage of their 'extra's' that they need for school, sports, etc., as well as keeping medical/dental/life insurance on them. So, when she said that, I told her "I'd be happy to support them. I'll support them 24 hours a day, 7 days a week under MY roof(which was the family home). I have no problem with supporting my children, but I'll be damned if I am going to support you and your bf". Since she knew that it was a custody fight she couldn't win(for many reasons I won't get into), she never brought it up again. | |
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| Any guys successful in getting ex-Mom to pay child support?
Posted: 3/9/2007 8:56:46 PM | | LMAO...as a full custodial parent all I can say is good luck...yes the court system has caught up to allowing us dads to have custody well somewhat anyway but support is still one sided...unless the woman has a really good job your just out of luck get all the court orders you want they will never enforce them...sure you can spend the money and time and get alot of things on paper that look wonderful but unlike the father there is no willingness in the system yet to go after the mom like they would the dad...its been over four years myself havent recieved a penny and no longer care have my child and that really is all that matters...wish you the best of luck suggest saving your money on paper rulings and just enjoy your kid | |
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| Any guys successful in getting ex-Mom to pay child support?
Posted: 3/9/2007 11:18:42 PM | | I was also awarded full custody of my 2 children as well child support from their mother. By the time I got Health and Welfare (Canada/Ontario) to enforce the court order, my ex had changed her employment status to "contract employee" and as such, no garnishment of wages could be enforced. Being vindictive at the time, I filed a caveat against her Canada Pension Plan benefits, and when she turns 65 and applies for CPP, the first $28,000 plus 12 years acrued interest goes to the kids. She will have to live to the ripe old age of 92 before she gets a dime. I guess the children she abandoned will then decide if they wish to waive their rights to that money. | |
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| Any guys successful in getting ex-Mom to pay child support?
Posted: 3/9/2007 11:48:02 PM | My ex wife owes me about $2500 in back child support. The chances of me seeing it without a court fight, judgements, garnishments... is zero.
I'm still here, and my kids. Kjustmep's suggestion of, "saving your money on paper rulings and just enjoy your kid," has a lot to say about it. | |
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| Any guys successful in getting ex-Mom to pay child support?
Posted: 3/10/2007 12:21:41 PM |
Being vindictive at the time, I filed a caveat against her Canada Pension Plan benefits,
You can do that? I thought CPP earnings were exempt from garnishment, especially in full. Even NCPs who are in arrears can only have their wages garnished to a maximum of 50%, althoughb any tax refund and GST rebates can be taken in full. Also, as your children will be well into their 40s when this happens, I would think the courts would waive this in its entitirety.
I have never heard of this so will do a little research on it - I am always interested in cases like this. | |
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Joined: 3/4/2007
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| Any guys successful in getting ex-Mom to pay child support?
Posted: 3/10/2007 6:05:24 PM | My 5yr olds mom and I weren't married, but I got full custody of him. She walked out when he was 3 months old. They finally recently took her license after locating her again, yet to receive a dime!
Now if the role was turned and I was the one that skipped out, I would have already been jailed! | |
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| Any guys successful in getting ex-Mom to pay child support?
Posted: 3/11/2007 12:28:34 PM | | my ex wife owes me $15k back pay.I can take that from her through the courts and child maintence,She will lose her car,credit,job,and go to jail.But if a resonable payment structure is set up and she is consistant .I rather have her stable and there for her kids,then screwed for life.But dont confuse kindness with weakness,my kids come first.If she is a liability and doesnt perform her role as a mom,I will take her for all she is worth and put her in jail. | |
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| Any guys successful in getting ex-Mom to pay child support?
Posted: 3/12/2007 10:55:19 AM | yes i have been sucessful but i have also been nice to her as well.i had the payments cut in half so she can at least keep up the payments.family maintenance has put the hammer down on her(lein on her truck,government garnishee,pasport taken and so on)the reason i have let her off on half is because she needed her DL to work and they had taken it.so if she can't work then i don't get any money.i also don't want my kids to see there mom desperate although when they visit there time with her is oftem mared by the new bf being very controlling.at least i can say that she's not a dead beat and thats all i really care about.i have to pay another ex for i child and i'm ahead on the support and it feels good to know that i pay my part even though i don't get to see him very often. | |
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| Any guys successful in getting ex-Mom to pay child support?
Posted: 3/12/2007 11:20:38 AM | | I never got any money from the woman in the 12 years that we been divorced. Although she has gave them very little. I don't think she has had a job since then. Liven on the goverment, because of her other kids. She is only a good example for the kids on what not to do with there lives. | |
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Joined: 3/8/2007
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| Any guys successful in getting ex-Mom to pay child support?
Posted: 3/12/2007 5:33:34 PM | | single father,2 children from first momI recieved custody in 1987 total help in$ =0.00 Next mom ,2 children, I was granted custody again in 1999 Total help 2 date $=0.00 hmmmm i know several men put through the ringer and have paid tens of thousands of dollars to see there kids.I kinda recall over the years women going on about dead beat fathers, Havent heard a word about dead beat mothers.be carefull there everywhere.Have a great day! | |
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| Any guys successful in getting ex-Mom to pay child support?
Posted: 3/12/2007 6:25:39 PM | It does make sense! Maybe not to you, but to your child. It shows that Mommy cares enough to pay child support!
please,please,please...you simply DO NOT tell your kids whether the ncp is paying, or not...heck, even in my darkest hour, and with rage in my heart because my ex wasn't paying (is now though, as per state of texas wage witholding), with the HUGE temptation to say, "no, sweetie...we cannot afford to buy that toy because your daddy hasn't paid me a dime in child support in months"...i would never get my child involved in that mess (which is essentially akin to badmouthing the ex).kids shouldn't even have a notion of what child support is. if your child has to do without because of some meager pittance from the ex...because, let's face it, it usually is not a great sum...then start REALLY teaching your child the value of the almight dollar. early.there are examples you can set everyday...here's one. my 3-yr-old broke the cat carrier a friend lent me yesterday...stood on it and cracked it, and it will cost about 80-100 for me to replace. we were, at the time, getting ready to goto starbucks, which usually costs the two of us about 9.00 (sunday splurge) so, i told her that we could not go to starbucks because i could not spend 9.00 on coffee when i now had to spend an extra 80-100 on a cat carrier. she threw a HUGE tantrum, so i told her that she was welcome to crack open her piggy bank and pay for our coffee...which she was not willing to do. So...not only did i make it her choice NOT to go get coffee, but i taught her a little lesson about money managment. these kinds of opportunities present themselves everyday, if you just look for them. it sure beats the heck out of bashing the ncp to the child for not paying support....anyday! | |
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| Any guys successful in getting ex-Mom to pay child support?
Posted: 3/12/2007 8:30:45 PM | No support here how she got away with it when all my male friends have to pay is beyond me.
I hear she works under the table now and since my last child had turned 19 I doubt I or they will ever see a portion of the thousands they say she owes.
I did get her income tax returns once lol but of course she stopped filing.
I really never cared much and she shunned the kids for the most part so in time I was gratful not to have even that much contact... | |
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| Any guys successful in getting ex-Mom to pay child support?
Posted: 3/13/2007 5:23:54 AM | People(women/men) who dont want to support their children are pathetic....its amazing how many people could just careless how their children are living.I do not get any help from my daughters father but i am past worrying about it... MEN your child will grow up knowing who was there and who sacrificed for them....Karma is a powerful thing and i get by without anger knowing that it will come back on these so called parents 100X...
keep up the great job....and lets focus on giving these children the life they deserve because anger just eats away at u.. | |
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| Any guys successful in getting ex-Mom to pay child support?
Posted: 9/23/2007 2:38:00 PM | I know alot about Canadian laws contact me I might be able to give you some helpful tips to help you. I do however know that your laws say that " any ABLE-BODIED parent is obligated to pay child support --- http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/able-bodied --- Print out this page it is a good place to start.
She must also provide the court with a reason as to why she should not or can not pay support. Also you are entitled to full and complete disclosure of any medical condition, Dotors name and address, diagnoses, how the disabilty disables her and to what extent she is disabled. Get a detailed Funtional abilty form filled out.
And most importantly do alot of reaserch and don't give up till the fight is over. Any lawyers fee will likely wipe out any support you get unless you get an order that she pay your legal fees. If you do get an order get it ordered until the child or children have completed thier education. | |
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| Any guys successful in getting ex-Mom to pay child support?
Posted: 9/23/2007 4:54:39 PM | | My ex and I were self employed and when we split he claimed 0 income in the business didn't pay child support - the funny thing is he bought a huge house, 2 new vehicles. The courts can only do so much and I wasn't wasting my money fighting him. Today my children are all adults and have nothing to do with him - so in the end he didn't have to pay child support but he lost out on a relationship with his boys. | |
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| Any guys successful in getting ex-Mom to pay child support?
Posted: 10/10/2007 8:21:47 PM | | none ...mom works at tit bar makin big cash...cant prove it...judge awarded me 160 a month...if i loose her I pay 1200 a month.....she has not payed a dime in a year ...gonna let it build and put her in jail ;lol | |
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| Any guys successful in getting ex-Mom to pay child support?
Posted: 10/11/2007 10:15:52 AM | When my ex and I broke up and my daughter stayed with him, he tried to only let me have her 10 days a month so that I was 4 days shy of half the time so he could get child support. It was her last year before going to school then I wouldn't be able to have her half the time so after much begging to have her half the time(When I had her I paid for child care to the tune of $40/day, his parents provided his child care at no expense) he kept saying no so I made a stand and told him if he wanted child support then he would have to take me to court. He kept up the charade so he didn't get child support until she started school. Once she started school I paid him, faithfully. That's been six years now and we have never been to court and there is no fighting about money. I have gone from good paying jobs to crappy paying jobs and back to good again, everytime I had a change of jobs, we sat down and figured out what was fair based on my income and what he needed.
I currently pay him 200 a month 11 months of the year(I don't have to pay him the month I have her in summer and I don't have to pay him the month before she goes back to school because I buy all her school clothes) We try to share on anny extra's she wants or needs and health care. I pay for our regular health care and he pays for the work benefits. | |
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| Any guys successful in getting ex-Mom to pay child support?
Posted: 10/11/2007 12:04:20 PM | | Could be alot worse. My ex NEVER has to pay child support. Declared mentally incompetent to hold down a job. What kind of bull is that? I personally know people who are legitimately mentally handicapped (as in mentally retarded) and STILL hold down a job. C'mon. | |
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| Any guys successful in getting ex-Mom to pay child support?
Posted: 10/11/2007 12:30:19 PM | My ex pays when he wants other words the new wife gets everything....a trip to
greece, jewlery and a motorcyle..I on the other hand am thankful I have my
boys 24/7 and when and if they want to see there dad they can. If the shoe was
on the other foot I am sure the minute I would miss one week he would be on
the phone.. | |
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