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| foreigners in the usa
Posted: 9/28/2005 5:25:58 AM | Not everyone on the globe is looking to enter the USA.
There.
Perhaps it wasn't pointed out because it's a truism. | |
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| foreigners in the usa
Posted: 9/28/2005 9:13:52 AM | fofefire:
Convention Refugee Abroad Class;
Country of Asylum Class; and
Source Country Class.
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/refugees/index.html
Canada is one of the few countries in the world with an active program for permanent immigration. Canada accepts more immigrants and refugees, in proportion to its population, than any other country. As of 2003, Canada has a quota of 200,000 immigrants and refugees allowed to reside per year. Its immigration policy has been created to help make Canada a culturally rich, prosperous and progressive nation. | |
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| foreigners in the usa
Posted: 9/28/2005 9:54:39 AM | | Culturally rich? That's not what the ignorant and stupid tell me... | |
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| foreigners in the usa
Posted: 9/28/2005 9:55:19 AM | Exactly,
I was getting sick of the whining as if America was THE DESTINTATION when
it's not. It definately won't be now since the footage of hurricane Rita
exposed the stark poverty.
Foreigners, refugee's & immigrants truly believe there's great wealth in the
US...this notion is removed from reality for MOST. During ANY tornado, you will
inevitably have reports of trailer-homes being destroyed giving
the impression that the U.S. is essentially one large trailer-park.
Now if you could tell the world the truth regarding poverty in the US, your 'foreign' problems are gone.
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| foreigners in the usa
Posted: 9/28/2005 10:35:41 AM | | I like the ideal of the States (well, it's supposed to be small-l, proper liberalism-not the current meaning behind it)...you work hard, you become rich. Unfortunately, this just isn't an American problem. As the States has a lot of poverty, so does Canada. The sheer size of the States, population wise, means that the extremes (poverty and wealth) becomes more extreme. There's less resources to go around as a result. It's not an issue of foreigners taking resources; it's about those on top hoarding. This isn't what liberalism was supposed to be about. | |
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| foreigners in the usa
Posted: 9/28/2005 10:41:52 AM | The outsourcing of American jobs to India & China will only underscore
the fact that the lack of good paying jobs will prevent the distribution of money
around and will cause tensions at the bottom...reducing people
to sound racist as they fight for mundane types of work. | |
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| foreigners in the usa
Posted: 9/28/2005 11:08:52 AM | are you saying that in order not to be a racist you need to have a good paying job?
well that's an interesting take,...different,...
Now when it comes to the pay rates,....well this I just don't understand,..in 1975 The job I had paid me just shy of 9 bucks an hour,...today the same job,...I would be lucky to break 7
now the cost of living deffinately isn't what it was in 1975 so that makes those figures even more disgusting,...something's got to give,...
before the economy is as bad as it was in the great depression,....
Pensions are impossible to live on,...especially disability,..
and how many folks know that when a coulpe are living on an old age pension,...and one of the two dies the other one will automatically have half the pension deducted,....
I suppose in some case that might sound right but when you consider that the rens the surviving partner will have to pay won't follow suite,..neither will the cost to heat the place,...
Both my parents are still living but with one foot in the grave and the other one on a banana peel it's just a matter of time,...there is no life insurance because as a bricklayer my dad spent many weeks every year out of work and life insurance was considered a luxury,...
so when the day comes I have no idea what will happen,...I am not even making ends meet and there is no one else,...so the future is bleak and scarry,... | |
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| foreigners in the usa
Posted: 9/28/2005 11:11:33 AM | I'm saying that when push comes to shove, people lose their
heads and look to someone to blame. Nationalism is the first
thing that raises it's head during tough times - always has, and
always will. | |
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| foreigners in the usa
Posted: 9/28/2005 11:15:40 AM |
are you saying that in order not to be a racist you need to have a good paying job?
well that's an interesting take,...different,...
What you think isn't what we meant. We can e-mail each other to go into greater detail (my basic knowledge takes at least five or six hours to discuss...without my interpetation).
From reading the rest of your post, we seem to be in agreement (I can't speak for others, however). | |
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| foreigners in the usa
Posted: 9/28/2005 1:22:30 PM | | Yeah, sometimes I get into a train of thought, and I realize it doesn't make sense unless the other person understands where I first came from. It's my own limitation, but every now and then, someone like the other guy I was chatting away with understands. I like it when it happens. Marita, you took the right approach as well, 'cause sometimes I just don't make sense to all. | |
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| foreigners in the usa
Posted: 9/28/2005 1:34:37 PM |
I'm saying that when push comes to shove, people lose their
heads and look to someone to blame. Nationalism is the first
thing that raises it's head during tough times - always has, and
always will.
Quite correct, and Nationalism can lead quite easily to Facism. Doesn't have to, doesn't always, it just can lead down that road with the right motivation. | |
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| foreigners in the usa
Posted: 9/28/2005 2:19:14 PM | Yeah, we don't need to go through history to prove that...it would take too long.
I'm glad to see this discussion opening up, 'cause it's more conducive to understanding, at least a tiny bit better (I still can't understand people who fall into the ugly side of it all).
And now, there's an extremely scary part to add...apathy. It's kind of a circular argument...politicians don't care about people who don't vote (which is absolutely true...it means less work for them when people just don't even try), and voters don't care about politicians, 'cause they think politicians don't care about what they say.
It drives me up the wall to hear people say 'well, I've never been asked for my opinion by any politician.' It's so funny when I actually take politicians to their front door...they still act like ignorant people.
I can't stand political apathy. There's no excuse for it. We take the time out to **** and complain, then it stops there. Instead of ****ing to each other, why just they don't write an e-mail, a letter, a phone call, anything. It's completely free to send a letter or phone. The Liberals are pumping millions of dollars as we speak to ensure all their phones are TTY compatible, and are intentionally trying to recruit people who speak varying languages, beyond just the usual French and English. The NDP is usually at the forefront of such accomdations. The Conservatives usually follow suit, after they realize the lost votes, and even through the odd human rights complaint (it's happening now).
Think about it: most people are willing to whine and complain for two or three hours, and definately know the issues. It's not all based on ignorance or stupidity. It's just based on laziness (and, yes, I follow what I say...I usually take five minutes every now and then as a break to write a letter or two).
If people don't think it matters whether or not anyone takes it seriously...well, considering there is millions of dollars spent every year just to find out what people want...and that's just each political party. That's not even counting the other parties, the media, consultants of various stripes, research centres, NGOs, academics, private corporations, etc. Why do you think politicians have offices between elections? Why is there so much movement towards such extreme transparency?
The importance is that it does affect the outcome of elections. If you don't want to vote, fine, but at least give an indication of what you think, why you aren't voting...'cause I can say from personal experience, there are people high up who actually care. We want to know the whys, the whats, etc., so we know which direction to head, where we can help, what we can do, etc. Considering we pay these people so much money, as well as it affecting our every day lives (think about: laws, education, the ability to leave our houses without extreme worry, the right to have our own opinions, the ability to breath at least somewhat unpolluted air), why the apathy?
I've never been a big taxpayer, I haven't done anything incredible, I'm not the most intelligent person. I'm pretty much average when it comes to those things. However, I've found that politicians, and their minions, are willing to listen to what I have to say, 'cause it helps to benefit their career.
Now, I know people will write with their reasons for not taking any intiative, and I can come up with my own reasons as well for trying to justify it. Other's will find flaws (some legit), and others will send me the usual childish personal attacks (in which I'm guilty of having done...hey, nobody's perfect).
Phew, I had to unload that. I wasn't trying to attact or be overly critical, but I know that this will probably raise some reactions. | |
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| foreigners in the usa
Posted: 9/28/2005 2:41:06 PM | My experience with Politicans is that, Yes they do listen to what people have to say and they incoporate it into their speaches. But that is about it. They say what we want to hear before the election but then totally forget about it afterwards.
I was at a fund raiser for Tory's run at the leadership a while back. I watched and eves dropped as he made the rounds fielding questions and "listening" to us average Joes. Then he gave his speach and made sure he mentioned everyones "concerns". But that was it, only lip service.
I agree that apathy with the voters is a big issue in North America. But I believe it is spawned by the lack of actual response from our "leaders". Once in power, with access to the money tough, they forget they are there to serve "The People" and get caught up in self interest. Like following party policy and moving up the ladder, or getting re-elected so the gravy train doesn't stop.
The problem I see is a lack of choice as a voter, should I choose A$$Whole number one or A$$Whole number two. Great choice. | |
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| foreigners in the usa
Posted: 9/28/2005 3:31:50 PM | as long as we put our politicians under the microcsope befor they run,...not many of the truely good people will put themselves or their families between the cross hairs,...
which one of us could stand up to such scruteny,....I just don't know anybody who walks 2 inches above water anymore,....funny thing is after we elect them they practically have to snipe half a school yard full of children and pregnant mothers before we get off our collective apathy to hold them accountable,...and no I'm not referring to Bill Clinton right now,...we have had enough of our own who were borderline,....or worse,....
which does leave us with a choice of the devil we know verses the devil were're not sure of,..
or even giving the third option a try,....as a result most of us seem that it makes very little difference if we vote or not,...and in record numbers are not bothering,....but then again we're not standing up to effect change ourselves either be it in the form of protests ,..
petitions,...or getting into the cross hairs ourselves,... instead we take the time to whine on a web site's forum,...
so I guess we are getting what we deserve,....
Alejandro,...."speken" like someone with the fine grasp of the language,...and I'm guessing you too were born in the country you now call home,....can probably trace your roots to the chief engeneer of the Santa Maria even right?
Why is it people who live in glass houses,...are the first to trebouche boulder's? | |
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| foreigners in the usa
Posted: 9/28/2005 3:56:25 PM |
You're a racist piece of of $#%%^ just like the guy who started this thread. I know inglish you sad excuse for a human being. does your mother know your views? or do you come from a long line of white thrash?
Show me one statement to prove yourself, then I'll take you seriously. Until then, that was a funny post.
The funny thing is, you're only the second one to ever call me racist. The other guy is in jail for murdering a white guy 'cause he hated white people that much (it was his defence)... | |
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| foreigners in the usa
Posted: 9/28/2005 4:03:22 PM | Again...evidence is needed.
Until then, what you're doing is libel, which is a criminal offense, which can give YOU a criminal record.
If I'm racist and posting here, I can be charged with sections 319, 320, and 321 of the Canadian Criminal Code.
Considering we can both end up with criminal records with this, and I feel like reporting you, what's your next move?
And I did read the post now with a ... and reported you to the moderator as well. | |
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| foreigners in the usa
Posted: 9/29/2005 9:23:50 AM | | Foreigners in the USA...hmmm, try this one on. Foreigin troops, like Like Russian and Chinese policing the people under martial law. Its the globalist way, the blind man can see that. Chipping people, round ups, giant camps, Aint the USA great!!...Good luck with that and the big quake in november! hehehe | |
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| foreigners in the usa
Posted: 10/3/2005 7:19:03 AM | but then again how is anyone expected to see the forrest
with all these damn trees in the way?,.... | |
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| foreigners in the usa
Posted: 10/11/2005 8:11:33 AM |
this country was built by "immigrants"
The US may have been started by immigrants,but it was built by their childre,grand children and so on.They themselves formed governments that made laws restricting the immigration process. Today ,80% of the legal residents of the US,want tighter control and enforcement of the immigration laws.
That is a fact.Read it and weep if you must. | |
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| foreigners in the usa
Posted: 10/11/2005 8:43:02 AM | But who says the majority are always correct?
We don't even need to go into the history of things that had popular support that were, well, just absolutely wrong. | |
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| foreigners in the usa
Posted: 10/11/2005 8:59:35 AM | I am so Tired of seeing foreigners come to the usa and take advantage of us If you don't speck english in 1 year you go home
weren't your ancestors immigrants too? what's with all the intolerance?
how about learning proper grammar and spelling?! | |
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| foreigners in the usa
Posted: 10/11/2005 9:21:12 AM | well, it's unamerican to discriminate based on race, so I don't think you should just pick on foreigners. Besides, some foreigners do a lot to benefit the US.
I think you need to come up with better criteria for determining suitability for a life in the US.
The other problem would be where to send them. I mean why would any other country want America's rejects? I guess we could dump 'em in the desert and see if they survive - kinda like the Brits did with Australia. Maybe we could even send them to the moon or Mars. The only other way I can think of would be to cull them. Would that be OK with you?
Now, what should contribute to our reject score? We could empty the jails to start with. About 15% of the population has a negative net worth - they aren't worth keeping. And Social Security offices should have a garbage chute instead of an exit door. People who can't spell. Oh - and people with bad attitudes - like inout!
This sounds like a great idea! - it would even solve the illegal immigrant problem. No deadbeats would ever want to come to the US again. | |
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| foreigners in the usa
Posted: 10/11/2005 2:11:02 PM |
Canada is one of the few countries in the world with an active program for permanent immigration. Canada accepts more immigrants and refugees, in proportion to its population, than any other country. As of 2003, Canada has a quota of 200,000 immigrants and refugees allowed to reside per year. Its immigration policy has been created to help make Canada a culturally rich, prosperous and progressive nation.
Canada's immigration policy is about finding more people to tax. | |
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| foreigners in the usa
Posted: 10/11/2005 2:16:38 PM | I completely agree people should not be allowed to come to the US and live on off of social programs.
Hooray for you for bringing up this important topic! | |
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