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Posted: 9/23/2005 1:40:26 PM | voluptuous: we'da kicked his scrawny li'l a*** to hel, anyway!
snuggles: i re-read yer first paragraph, an' i unnerstand why women hate us... the 18-yr-old doesn't wanna raise a kid? he shouldn't be fu*kin'! 'cause, y' know, that's what it's designed for: makin' babies! as i've stated elsewhere, if a guy knocks up a chick, he should be blood-tested, proven to be the baby's father, and financially responsible for half o' the kid's upbringing (at least)... an' that's my 2ND argument against this: whatever happened to personal responsibility?
since the communist president, roosevelt, invented welfare, it's actually become MUCH easier for women to have babies outta wedlock, an' just go on welfare, while the men just go 'round knockin' up other women! if you think the folks on welfare've got no responsibility now.... | |
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Posted: 9/23/2005 1:49:01 PM | All:
This is a horrible idea that smacks of classism, racism, and economic racism. Pure bigotry and ignorance. High-tech, Orwellian stupidity, typical of the elite right and its ignorant followers. If you had one-hundredth of the class of Jonathan Swift in "A Modest Proposal" you could propose something with a little more intelligence.
A better solution to this stupidity, has implications and benefits far beyong this narrow issue, and that solution is education, i.e., grow up and read something.
There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root.
- Henry David Thoreau
Alternatively, a much better immediate solution is to have you sterilized--forcefully.
David | |
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Posted: 9/23/2005 2:10:00 PM | and yer little tantrum smacks of knee-jerk liberalism!
you are the ONLY subsequent poster to mis-read killjack's intent! he's sayin there's too many bad parents in the world. what the fork is wrong w/ that? actually, i shelved the idea of suggesting we sterilize welfare mothers an' liberals, since that's where the majority of unwanted babies are born, but i thought it might seem too extreme; what i suggest we do is go back an' actually READ the first post, wherein jack puts forth his own NOT so modest proposal, NOT too control the population, as mr swift did, but rather, a somewhat mis-guided attempt to limit the out-of-wedlock births that currently plague the western hemisphere....
PS: does that make harry harrison "classy" for "soylent green"?
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Posted: 9/23/2005 2:23:40 PM | | I think the right should cave in on birth control before we make any Brave New World. | |
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Posted: 9/23/2005 2:26:21 PM | dude, we've already got birth control, it doesn't work... the op was about bad parents...
ps: nice eagle | |
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Posted: 9/23/2005 2:31:58 PM | Legislating ANYTHING in violation of individual rights has never proven to be an effective tool for change for the better...
It infantilizes further the average person, thereby reducing the need for them to use the good, common sense their Creator gave them!!!
Education is the solution, unfortunately it usually requires a span of time, sometimes generations for the message to get through...
And hopefully, one day, people will take the responsibilities and decisions to become parents as the serious, committed, INCREDIBLY difficult task that it is!!! So that fewer children will have to suffer...D. | |
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Posted: 9/23/2005 2:36:26 PM | Mike:
Sad to say, you've missed out on jack's classic posts in the Single Parent's Forum, which the powers that be on this site have finally decided to remove. Jack stated that ALL young parents should be gotten rid of. His point has nothing to do with out-of-wedlock babies, but ANY child being raised by a One-Parent family, regardless of how they became a One-Parent family, ie. divorced, widowed, etc. His thought process went something along these lines..
I'm 32, college educated, and own a business. But, because I'm no longer married, he says my children are a "mistake" and shouldn't be allowed to exist.
Most everyone I know goes into a marriage believing that it will last forever. Life isn't always that peachy, as you know. Things happen.
My ex husband was a good man and a good father, right up until he lost his job. He couldn't get another one and the downfall snowballed from there. He got into the drug scene, to the point of selling my car to support his habit. I packed it up, took the boys and left. That wasn't a lifestyle acceptable for any child. And I damn sure didn't want my boys growing up to think it was. Yet jack has said that it's irrelevant. I shouldn't have married my ex and had children with him. He stated that my children are worthless and will always be, simply because I chose to divorce their father.
That's where his entire ideal of a Parenting License came from. | |
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Posted: 9/23/2005 2:45:00 PM | sweety: sorry to have missed it! i'm divorced, too, an' i'm a better'n average dad...!
BUT... prima facie, (as those nutty attorneys say) he's NOT discussin any o' that claptrap, simply stating a real problem (some parents suck) and putting forth an unworkable solution... THAT is what i'm responding to | |
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Posted: 9/23/2005 2:45:09 PM | Hmm… That sounds like a good read, I’ll pick that up! So this Orwell guy is an author eh. Who knew? Thanks!
Hey you chicks always have the decision on whether or not to keep an unwanted pregnancy or any pregnancy. Guys have no choice, it’s up to you. And yes you make stupid decisions sometimes. I’d say the government would make a better choice. One done with the best interests of the child rather than some “chick” making the decision for the 3 people involved out of an emotional response. Put that in your pipe and smoke it baby!
At least this license thing would solve the abortion issue. | |
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Posted: 9/23/2005 2:48:17 PM | | and exactly WHEN is it in "the best interests of the child" to kill it? | |
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Posted: 9/23/2005 2:56:15 PM | Mike:
I sure don't disagree with you that some parents suck. My ex husband resembles that remark. :)
I've known several people that would fit into those requirements, but STILL made bad parents. Social and economic stature may make parenting easier, but not necessarily make a couple better at it. | |
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Posted: 9/23/2005 2:56:37 PM | "What if the government could inject every child at birth with a temporary sterilization gene that would simply allow people to not get pregnant with 0 side effects, and the only way to get "turned on" would be to apply to the government for a Childbirth License?
slight resemblance to Big Brother (1984).,
although, i do agree with the first post to a certain extent. There are far too many parents in the world who are just as corrupt as the children they raise, and of course the children who aren't wanted (as i have mentioned before), however, this doesn't warrant everyone to have their life monopolized by big brother, after all this is a free world, and nothing will be perfect simply because everybody has a different outlook on the way things should be.
If we keep arguing over our differences, nothing will ever get solved. | |
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Posted: 9/23/2005 2:58:40 PM | sweets: and i'm not disagreein' w/ you; all i'm sayin' is kj's premise: gooood,
solution: baaaaad | |
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Posted: 9/23/2005 3:02:55 PM | Mike:
*laughs* Then we'll agree to disagree, shall we? I'm sorry, doll, but I've been on the receiving end of his hateful remarks. Any man that tells me my children are a mistake.. Well, I shouldn't be picking on those less fortunate in the compassion area, should I? | |
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Posted: 9/23/2005 3:12:03 PM |
And yes you make stupid decisions sometimes.
Oh? So we go off and get pregnant on our own, do we?
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Posted: 9/23/2005 3:13:25 PM | well, duhhhhhhhhhhhhh...!
izzat better, loni?
Ps: do u have a condo made o' stone-a? (sorry) | |
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Posted: 9/23/2005 3:19:21 PM | Babylonia:
Have you read bunny's profile? He says he doesn't wanna be a sperm donor. :) We ALL know there's only one way to be sure about not getting pregnant - Abstinance.
Perhaps he's always followed that rule and that's the problem? :) | |
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Posted: 9/23/2005 3:50:14 PM | babylonia “Oh? So we go off and get pregnant on our own, do we?” Yes you do! Ever hear of a sperm bank baby? Or how about the women that get prego just to trap the guy or the women that decide from the beginning that they want to be a single parent. No guy required. Are you actually on the same planet as I am? Guess not. You have the final decision on keeping it or not, no guy required there. I am talking about mistakes and your little “oops” children.
Hey justasweetone,
That’s right! I haven’t had any kids because I don’t want them. I thought you would be happy to know there aren’t any little ones like me running around in this world. No mistakes here. I’m not a selfish person who thinks that my genes are worth reproducing, unlike some of you.
No wonder I’m single! | |
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Posted: 9/23/2005 3:53:21 PM | | Bunny, are you 100% sure you DON'T have any? And, I'm really sorry you don't have much self-esteem. | |
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Posted: 9/23/2005 3:56:32 PM | | And by the way.. "no guy required".. Wonder where all those little sperms in the bank came from.. Hmmmm..... | |
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Posted: 9/23/2005 3:59:39 PM | I’m not 100% sure. Are you trying to tell me I have one! I don’t remember you.
My self-esteem is just fine, thanks for asking. I don’t need to have offspring to boost mine up. They are little people not to be used for self gratification for some bad mothers to feel loved.
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Posted: 9/23/2005 4:02:22 PM | Good thing I will never fall into that catagory then. :)
Oh, and most definitely never been with you. I have better taste.
Have a nice day. | |
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Posted: 9/23/2005 4:47:28 PM | I don’t do American chicks anyways. They have a bad taste. 100% Canadian grade A chicks for this guy.
The idea in this thread is not a new one. It’s been around for years. Does everyone agree with the following statements?
The ideal time to have a child is when;
2 people are in a committed relationship that they think will last (i.e. a two parent house).
They are financially secure to raise said child or children.
Basically, build a nest before having the little one(s).
Now how bad does that sound? Sounds pretty good doesn’t it. Well it’s not always the case. So should something be done about it? Sure and all this license idea is suggesting that people should be ready to be responsible for their decisions. It’s just government-sanctioned birth control. You want to have a kid? Prove that you are worthy and not just capable. It will never fly but it’s a good subject for discussion. The only people I can see having a problem with it are women that haven’t made the right choices already and government phobic people. | |
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Posted: 9/23/2005 4:56:50 PM | | The only upside to that, bunnyboy, is whether or not your parents would have actually passed the test. | |
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