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Posted: 10/24/2005 6:42:23 AM | Chinua and pinkfizz are..HOT! Nope, no mistaking them for men at all!!! Then again, they are martial artists who HAPPEN to be women, not hardcore bodybuilders lol
seems that suppositions are getting a little crossed...
And kudos to all the shotokan followers! awesome to see... from both sexes..
naw, I obviously aint against women taking martial arts whatsoever... I believe my diatribe said that earlier...and also said WHY. So Chinua, why make a comment that would contradict something we are in complete agreement with? I am in turn disappointed... that youre not catching everything Im saying. See the forest young jedi... I guess that I should also indicate that I personally am not into ANY sport fighting.. for myself PERSONALLY. I indicated that full contact stufff like MMA and the UFC/pride fights are not places where Id want to see a woman fight. And why. I was hoping to grow and learn a little and get some feedback from you women about the health concerns in doing some of the rougher sports. Is it something you concern yourself with or worry about? I know you can ask me the same thing, but really... a jock is all I really need.. the rest is expendable! Again and again I repeat myself cuz its gettin missed... no wonder I type so much. No one is questioning whether a woman has the HEART to be competitive, even ruthless ( remember hell hath no fury...) and we all should know that its not the size of the dog in the fight ( go rent G.I. Jane!...or even Cave of the Clan Bear with Daryl Hannah..oh and women...check out Joan Chens role in The Blood Of Heroes with Rutger Hauer if you wanna see a woman in a rough sport... nevermind the fact that most of my personal fav movies depict women kickin ass...ask sometime and Ill list em for ya!), it to ME is an issue of health, morality, the societal confines we are entraped by, and attractiveness... depending on which cut of this multi-faceted gem of a topic we have going here.
And I think in my FIRST or second post I basically said that I concur with women in those fitness competitions ( like the Ms. Fitness competitions or especially the NPC womens fitness competitions) as opposed the "roided out" (and I bet that those assumptions made about hardcore women bodybuilders would be hotly contested by a woman thats a full CLEAN participant) and heavily muscled women like those in the IFBB...
Oh and another thing people... what about the social conditioning aspect to this all? Thats the real common enemy we face. Maybe its an antiquated argument, often used as a crutch by us men (uh duh..I dunno..its not my fault I was raised this way.. who knows? got a beer?), but we have been and obviously are still entrenched in a male dominant society where from day one we are conditioned to accept certain gender roles, attitudes and precepts. How valid are they in todays world? Which are? (if any?). Which, especially in sports, are founded on solid physical facts? and never mind individual sports, what about women vs. men? Especially in the rougher sports? Billie jean already scored points for the home team there... but that was tennis and she wasnt facing Mike Tyson. What about the religious aspects (hell some "religions" are totally restrictive on womens sports). Do we need.. a sexual revolution?...or are forums like this an indication that we are already in one??? maybe here will be one more place where stereotypes CAN be changed... I dunno. But I do know I have enjoyed this, even if I have to play the devils advocate now and then... ahhh the masks we wear...
And naw chinua... I just have lots to say! Those comments were really directed at ONE person, who still has to respond.
and...oh how sometimes I wish this WAS feudal Japan!! or better yet..a Mad Max world... | |
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chinua
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Posted: 10/24/2005 10:03:40 AM | Hi Saiyan;
I don't think that person is going to respond!
I think the original post on this thread talked about sports women shouldn't play....if you got technical; you don't 'play' karate.One reason why I competed in tournaments was that i felt that to know how I would react if someone I didn't know came after me.I needed to know that i could hit someone; i hit people in the dojo; but i know them, and know how they fight......although my sensei keeps surprising me....:) Tournaments can be frustrating though; especially when i go against the ones who win by faking injuries....puhleeeease!!!
You'd like my mom Saiyan.......she's disapointed if there's no blood! Thats why i like shotokan tournaments(instead of all styles) because contact is allowed.
As for bodybuilding.....i'm not in that shape anymore; that took a lot of time; but, i still always look like i'm female:) ....thanks for the compliment!
feudal Japan? I don't think either of us would be allowed in.......love those ninja movies...... | |
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Posted: 10/24/2005 10:58:11 AM | hahahaha chinua..I knew youd come thru...your shotokan trained! lol yeah I guess you need a forum to test your training... so yeah Im cool with karate tournaments and the such...sport karate not the MMA stuff like UFC though... and you mentioned a few things I really hated about tournament fighting, esp. the fakers! Add to my list the judges and the rules in general. Oh man I hate that... and yeah maybe you dont "play" karate, but today it IS considered a sport... so maybe we should say "sports that were not meant to be participated in by women" and remember, that, by TECHNICAL definition (if ya wanna get dicey) doesnt mean that these sports SHOULDNT be played by women, it actually is a question of the origins of any given sport and its intended participants at the time of its creation. So by that definition martial arts would probably be #1. American football would rank highly as well. Again societal influences contribute the this. Unlike basketball, which specifically had women in mind.
I like the reasoning behind your training as well. Still, Ive seen many mat savvy people... get smoked on the street. Dojo training, and tournaments... still dont fully prepare you...only experience can. Problem is that in a street fight theres a good chance it could be your last for alot of reasons. For years that is where I HAD to train... as for those ole ninja movies... Im like Tarintino...I collect them! And ID be allowed into those ole Japanese feudal days (unless they realized that I share your sentiments about womens roles! You..would HAVE to be a ninja... women werent allowed to be samurai..and I cant see you as a peon either)...I studied tae-jitsu for one (ask your buddy Kirk MacLean chinua..I used some tae-jitsu on him once!).. and Id just do what Mushashi did, be a ronin! oh.. and Id collect heads.
and I bet you always you are still in great shape and look good in a gi...or without one... I see them pics girlfriend... nice!! Youre all woman, and a good representative of what women should be shooting for in sports... their own goals. (I couldnt email you btw cuz you got that distance limit on your profile...grrr!) and good luck going for that black! | |
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Posted: 10/24/2005 12:52:47 PM | Listen here: There are not sports for men and sports for women. It's 2005 (for those of you who don't check you calendars.)
Some of you are crushing my oh-so-delicate feelings and striking my little girly nerves.
I wrestle. I play rugby. I grew up playing hockey with the boys. I can hold my own.
I will agree that PEOPLE who body build look disgusting. Definition is sexy, extreme body building is sick looking on anyone.
So, those are my two cents. Anyone wanna take me on this? | |
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Posted: 10/24/2005 1:36:46 PM | I think Ill pass...
especially since it seems that no one wants to counter my questions/concerns/opinions about this topic... and nothing new has been said or adeed that we havent already heard... but hey thanks for your two cents!!
and chinua is enough to take on as it is already!! | |
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Posted: 10/24/2005 11:18:53 PM | kikilynn,,,and saiyan....
you wouldn't catch me playing rugby! I'm not built for that.....small bones:) although i really enjoyed playing european handball in CR 12 in high school....loved tackling the guys.....:) | |
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Posted: 10/25/2005 7:03:04 AM | chinua..small boned or not..I have a feeling YOU were the school yard toughie!!! I bet all the guys in your area run when they see you coming!!! Bet your parents didnt have to give YOU lunch money either!!! lol
I wonder what would happen in a rugby game if kikilynn and outdoorsguy were on the opposite sides... now that would be fun to watch! | |
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Posted: 10/25/2005 9:23:51 AM | who me???
Actually i was pretty shy in school.......but in kindergarten; i got picked on ; a lot; i broke 2 umbrella's over boys heads.mom wouldn't buy anymore....then the lunch boxes got busted.....then i was demoted to paper bags......
would somebody please look up a natural bodybuilding website??? you'll see a difference!!! I make sportswear......including those little posing suits..........yum........ | |
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Posted: 10/25/2005 4:49:19 PM | It's the shyness and bullying in schools that either make us or break us.
About 100 years ago there was a young lad who was given the name Marion, kinda sucks to be a boy with the name of Marion, he was kinda skinny too but as he grew older, he grew stronger defending his name and honor and eventually he became so well known not only in his home town but through out the world that no one would challange him but by that time his name was changed to John Wayne.
Unfortunately, childhood bullying will never go away but to some, it's makes us a stronger person either but striking back or defeating them in ways mentally that no bully could ever understand.
I know this post is a little of the topic to the thread and I hope it doesn't offend anyone but I thought I'd just add my 2 cents worth to the previous posts. | |
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Posted: 10/26/2005 7:39:05 AM | I think oldandcoolguy (I like pinks name for you better bud) can drift off now and then if he wants, as hes been a great input here... and I think we've all drifted a bit...
as for The Duke (a reported racist) doyou know how much undigested red meat they found inside him??? Like 30 lbs. or more!!!
childhood bullying..is a microcosm of the world in general... the unassailable fact that the world consists of two types... predator and prey. Personally.. I choose to be neither. An anomoly. But I think this can be realted to our present topic, because, as oldncoolincalgary said, this abecedarian rite of passabe can make you who you are, and prepare you for further adversities that life will invariably throw in your path... like a woman participating in rough sports with the boys, for example... I think dealing with bullies as children, for women as well as for men, is a great preparatory instrument for the future adversities we face. | |
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Posted: 10/26/2005 12:18:32 PM | | I guess I don't consider bodybuilding a sport, but maybe it's considered that>? The only thing I can think of is boxing... look at boxers, and what they eventually look like, act like, etc..... you get the picture~~ | |
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Posted: 10/26/2005 11:54:57 PM | All of them....shouldn't women be barefoot and pregnant making dinner and bringing all you manly men a beer?! 
No, seriously, I'm a woman and played sports my whole life, but I'm also very old fashioned and think the only sport that women should play is softball (besides the obvious of gymnastics and such). I can NOT stand to watch women's basketball. I don't know what it is, but something bothers the hell out of me when I watch them. I also think its ridiculous when women play on a football team as kickers. That is NOT playing football. It's always the girls who played soccer and besides they are just kicking a ball. Have you seen some of the kickers in the NFL? Not the most talented players.
The only woman who could have possibly played with the big boys was Cheryl Miller. Even so, men are so much more muscular and I just think they would beat the crap out of a female on the court. | |
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Posted: 10/27/2005 10:47:25 AM | | Hello, girls and guys. I was in Vegas for a few day's, sorry I missed the fun:) It is good to see other women that can provide by themselves. Saiyan, I must admit you know a lot about providing, yet not much about women. To be so smart, you are selling yourself short. I do agree that men have it inbreed in them to be the protector. Yet, I also think they have deep emotions inbreed in them also, they are just taught not to show any of them but anger. Don't you feel you should be treated as you treat others? Your spouse included. I know it may seem hard for you too understand that a women that is taught to be tender and gentle, could see blood and feel the same as you. For, maybe we are not as different as some think. Could it not be from what we are taught we are suppose to do? I was the one that did what I was told to do, yet felt I needed more to fulfill my soul. Is was not filled by being in "love", nor by being a mother. Yet, my first time in the ring I felt the hunger of an animal and was stalking my prey. Maybe most women would never have that feeling, for I know most men will not either. To tell you truth I don't get angry when I read your postings, I feel as if you are in my space just to see what my reaction will be. I enjoy reading what is going though your mind. I have found that either males see my dedication, or they hate it. If you read my profile, you will see stated in the first line. " Lioness looking for a lion." In the wild the lion sleeps most of the time, the lioness hunts for their food and fights for their space.... | |
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Posted: 10/28/2005 7:25:19 AM | caretoboxoutofthering... you need to go back and reread ALL of my entries before jumping to conclusions... your making arguments I have already conceded to. Perhaps theres just too much too assimilate... and that is MY bad. And NO not every sport was MEANT to be played by women... doesnt mean they cant and shouldnt! Sheesh how many times do I gotta repeat that! And forget social onditioning... look at the BOTTOM LINE: when mens and womens body types and musculature are consistently the same as men (including all the lil stuff like adrenalin output, and testosterone and estrogen levels), especially in terms of overall output (speed and strength) then the playing field will be even and women can not just compete in these sports (like American Football), but compete against us men. (you might also start to look like a man and act like one too..personally Id find both unattractive, and that would be asking us to change some things that arent meant to be changed!) Youll notice Ive mentioned NOTHING about mental strength, tenacity or heart and drive here eh? Looking at track and field records for example... from high school and up, theres a glaring difference in ALL the records between women and men (world class women track atletes are almost neck-to-neck... with high school BOYS... and our National Womens hockey team struggles to beat midget A boys). Men, when it comes to SPORTS in terms of PERFORMANCE, are simply BETTER cuz its in our genes to be better... and some of you women seem to want to contest the natural order of things. Darwin would have a few choice words for you Im sure!!
Too bad high pain thresholds werent a significant factor... women would have us beat in spades! Like bearing children (have you all heard the latest?? they say in the near future men will be able to bear children! This I gotta see!!).. you guys are right there... we men would snivel and whine like youve never seen! thats something you guys can keep! besides.. how we gonna breast feed?? grow man boobs? Seriously, I like things the way they are, for bearing children is the most beautiful thing any human can do, and hats off to all women.... its something they can do that we men should never know, and one of the reasons why I personallly say that p*ssy rules the world! (and heres someone presuming to know what I "know" about women! You only THINK you do based on a forum, where you see what I allow you to see... so go hoop your generalizations about me that you keep making! especially when you exhibit general level reading and comprehension skills, as is evidenced by the content of YOUR entries!) Which brings me back to my earlier questions about jeopardizing a womans health, her organs and her ability to procreate. Look back I asked about this before and NO woman has addressed it.. why? Scared to outofthering? or is it too much for your inferior female brain to multitask and address more than one facet of a topic at a time?!?
and yep Im deliberately being an ass and tryin to push up in your "space' again, for reasons I already mentioned. I suggest you re read all Ive read 5 times outofthering before you respond this time, and pick areas where we DISAGREE not the ones that we do!!
Now if that doesnt get you punching harder....
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Posted: 10/28/2005 7:35:27 AM | oh yeah and about the lion/lioness thing:careful with that analogy. I watch alot of nature shows... and your comparason doesnt aid your argument. Sure the male chills while the females hunt in their pride... that would confirm that its a womans job to feed her man. I recently saw a show where 14 females took on about 300 hyenas and were gettin a shit kicking..2 died, and the rest were hiding up trees.. TWO (2) males came along and made it an even battle.. when the third male, the youngest, the Hyena Killer as they called him, came along... the three male lions kicked the crap outta the hyenas( footage showed the young male breaking a 300 lb hyenas back with a single swipe). So be warned lionesses, sure you hunt, sure your bad, but remember who the king of the jungle is!!
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Posted: 10/28/2005 9:49:11 AM | hahahahaha, do you feel satisfied now? You know there are three types of fighters. First, is the type that talk a lot of sh*t yet couldn't save their life to back it up. Second the type who believe actions speak louder than words. The last type are the one's that have to get their self’s mentally ready for a fight by making their challenger look like nothing. They feel if they can hurt their mind they can win. I can only guess what type of opponent you would be, by the way your actions. I have never seen you fight, yet understand you know your game. YOU don't seem to understand mine either. I am not the bragging type, I feel it more when I am less noticed by people that don't matter. Unlike some, I do have more to offer to the world than just a minute of fame.
You ask me to address your questions, but do you address mine? Or better yet, do you just speak of what you know, and who you know. Which in my mind; you are to do from what you know, and never speak of who taught you. Some of your questions play no thought in my mind. Let me ask you, as you asked me.
"Why would you want to fight, when you could be waiting on a man hand and foot." I quote you making this remark's, "Your comments were directed at ONE person. And How you wished this was Feudal Japan." My dear you need to learn all of the story before jumping off the bridge. In the early feudal period, samurai women were expected to exhibit loyalty, bravery, and to take on the duty of revenge. They were to carry out all the responsibilities of the household, and trained in weaponry. They carried the naginata in their sleeves and knew how to throw with deadly aim. The women would join the men in battle. They were even expected to commit suicide if the family was dishonored in any way. Have you not heard of Hojo Masa-ko, known as Mother Shogun? So you see even in your dreams, I still would be on top.
"That p*ssy ruled the world." To you, a small hole may rule the world, but to most this is not the case.
"That built women are unattractive, and "potentially" damaging to women, especially if they want to give birth." This again is such a stupid statement. Maybe to you only the fake boobs, and movie stars are attractive. Yet thank god we are not all attracted to the same thing. I am a mother of two and wow a fighter. Do you think about getting hurt when your in a fight? People die walking their dog. You can't change your fate all you can do is learn to follow it. When we get old do we think of what we have done, or what we wished we would of done?
"Watching women fight is unattractive to watch."
Personal, I can't say I fight to turn men on. I fight from my heart, for my name, race, and sex. When I am in the ring I hear fans chanting my name because they see a warrior. Are warriors a sex appeal?
" That your intellectually is above all women."
We all, MEN and WOMEN have different IQ's. One race is not above the other. We were made so different yet so a like. We were made not to hate each other yet to create another generation together.
I hope this gave you a little taste of my soul. I hope one day some women let's you see what we go through. I have to be on top of my game in every aspect of life because of a few men like you. Being a mother, fighter, lover, sex symbol, provider, and mental ready to take on the task. I know I still have a lot to learn, but I admit my mistakes. I also remember you saying maybe this forum will change you thinking. As humans we don't always know the right answers. Either one of us could be wrong. But for now, I know what my fate is. Just don't let a strong women pass you by, with out you even noticing it. Chinua admires your fighting intellect. Don’t let that be the only thing see admires, you have so much more... | |
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Posted: 10/28/2005 11:53:22 AM | How can you see someone fight online?? You can't.All you can do is is try to type what you feel; and think. Problem with this is, you can't see facial expressions,hear tone of voice. We just assume.Some one could be different in person that they are online; I've found that out quite a few times! Like I said before, I don't fight for men; I fight for me.
When I'm in a tournament, the only voices I hear, are my Sensei's, and the head ref's. I guess that's the difference between boxing and karate(sometimes!);also we use not only our fists but our feet, and we can throw our opponent too.
As for the woman who thinks that women should only play soccer and softball: Is that because you play it? Not everybody likes the same sport. I find softball boring, buts that fine for you if you like it.Not all women are the same.....gymnastics? I can't do a cartwheel to save my life!!! Plus i think i might be too tall......:) i guess that means that i can't be a stuntwoman....oh well.......... | |
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Posted: 10/28/2005 12:45:39 PM | | Do you box then>? I gave my opinion after watching both of my brothers box... And, I have to say I admire your tenacity to get out there and do what you want.... I guess, because my first ex beat me up for 6 years ((I couldn't stand being hit, especially in the face)), that it seems like the last thing most women would want to do... But, that's what makes life interesting, right>? No assembly line people.... to each their own~~~ | |
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Posted: 10/28/2005 1:00:54 PM | yawn...
im starting to get bored! Redundancy does that...
caretoboxouttathering... if you wanna persue this further... note me directly... theres too many places to tear holes in your comments here, and Im sure everyone else would prefer if we sparred this outside of here and on our own. Or maybe they like this scrap. I know I do! Except for your specific attacks towards me. Like your last comments about who and what I know. Come by and Ill tell you! Your lack of distinction between literal and figurative references would be one area to discuss... your misuse of quotes would be another. And I know all about women in feudal Japan, thanks... never once did I mention directly WHY Id want to live in feudal Japan, other than to lop off a few heads. And in my dreams youd still be on top? Sure fine with me! You remind me of a penguin trying to find a piece of an iceberg to attach to, not realizing that much more lies beneath. As for your three types of fighters.. I am none of them. Maybe because "fighters" would be the lowest level on my lil ranking system (as youd see in my comments in other threads here on POF). But then how would you know? Your what? an amateur boxer? Wow. There are many of both sexes HERE and not just MYSELF who also believe that bodybuilding (as I said, on the IFBB or Musclemag level) is unattractive for BOTH sexes (and unhealthy in many cases too)... missed that did we? Also.. the waiting on a man hand and foot instead of fighting... I didnt say that... get your shit straight will ya?!? and your quotes!
And people die in their sleep.... so what? I made references to specific sports and specific health concerns for women, based on mathematical probabilities. I dont think a pro bowler would have the same health concerns as a pro football player ( the average 'lifespan' for an NFL player is just over two years... a clear indication that its level of damage is significantly higher than other sports, so logically its a sport that could cause damage to ANYONE, especially women who carry some vital things us guys dont carry... which simply makes us better candidates based again on mathematical probabilities). And lets check...nope! Im NOT a woman, so I wouldnt know if gettting hurt "that way" is a concern. THATS what I was asking.. a simple yes or no would suffice! Im not askin about your thoughts during a match either... its a GENERAL question about your health! and yes... when Im not in the heat of battle or even riding my bike I am concerned about my health and injuries. Later, Im VERY concerned. Anyone who isnt is a fool and a liar, and is certainly NOT an athlete!
and I guess the POINT behind my p*ssy comment flew over your head,. Not surprised. I could argue that the world IS ruled by that small hole (I will resist the temptation.....) since its our portal to this world! Figuritive/literal. Go back to grade ten english class to discover the difference. While youre there... spend time in the syntax, grammar, and especially, the spelling chapters. I dont know why nor do I care what personally motivates you to fight... we all have our personal reasons... but whatever those reasons are I still think watching two women hurt each other does nothing for me. PERSONALLY. And alot of WOMEN agree! Go chastise them! I avidly watch womens sport, and attractiveness isnt why I watch it, but watching a woman make another womans face look like ground beef turns my guts. At least when its the men I can picture my personal involvement.
As for the I.Q., again a generalization of the FACTS.. I wasnt talking about ME.. other than specifically at YOU. Im just saying that Im smarter than YOU not all women! Im sure lots of women have an I.Q. over 139, but Im betting youre NOT one of them. Thats all. And remember this: anything I have provided about my PERSONAL accomplishments/acheivements were in RESPONSE to your attacks on ME (as to why ME from the outset, you have yet to explain)... as opposed to you, who feels the need to profess your accomplishments in an attempt at what? validity? braggadocio? accredation? even after I gave you personal kudos the last time, youre still spouting about :
"Unlike some, I do have more to offer to the world than just a minute of fame."
-yeah like what?
"I can only guess what type of opponent you would be, by the way your actions."
-Ill add this one for a few reasons, namely...youll never be my opponent in any ring ever. so dont profess to make conclusions that have no relevance. And what actions would those be that youre referring to? Actions, or veiled opinions? And you fight because of men like me? You have no idea what kind of man I really am! Penguin!
"I am not the bragging type"
-sure buddy! -"Personal, I can't say I fight to turn men on. I fight from my heart, for my name, race, and sex. When I am in the ring I hear fans chanting my name because they see a warrior."- sounds like pride talkin to me! Why further validate when kudos were already offered?
"This again is such a stupid statement"
-As spoken by the Queen of Stupid Statements. Maybe if you didnt mix up already your misunderstood quotes you wouldnt sound so disjointed. watch as I play your game:" I fight from my small hole", "I have to be on top of my game to carry out all the responsibilities of the household", and so on and so on. Youre not the only one who can mislead by butchering quotes and taking them out of context.
You have shown some of your soul. Great. No ones doubting your soul or your personal abilities/accomplishments. Too bad youre an anomoly, otherwise women would have a much more valid argument overall. But you (nor chinua) are youre typical woman. A shame, or maybe NOt for it does make you stand out, and be unique. I came after YOU because you came after ME. Too bad your arguing skills arent as polished as your use of your hands in the ring. Youll be ready to tangle with me intellectually aboutvthe same time yopure ready to box with tyson. You are right about alot, but youre wrong about MORE, especially when you try to counter my arguments. And the fact that youve pegged me incorrectly is mildly amusing. More inciteful. Like you know what Ive seen women go through..if you really knew me personally youd know that you just seriously insulted me. Like you know what Ive seen women go through. Ive seen more than you will ever know... ask my mom. Or my sisters.
I do not know all the answers, or even a fraction of them. I do know I want to LEARN more. Knowing that someone falls short in a argument is nothing new to me. Come at me when you can tell me something I dont already know. I end quoting YOU boxoutofthering: "but for now I know what my fate is"... what an oxymoron. Anyone see why? | |
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