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| What is the true nature of UFO's?
Posted: 6/28/2006 9:31:21 AM | Hi lilnikki
"Just because humans, should they happen upon it, may have the need or desire to colonize a planet of monkeys, as you said we'd probably do, does NOT necessarily mean far more intelligent, extremely technologically superior, advanced beings would have the need or desire to do so. It'd probably seem to them an idiotic and pointless endeavor- Unless they liked monkey meat."
A classic scenario would be "Monkey Planet", the original novel by Pierre Boulle - not the Planet of the Apes movie, which pales by significance. The book is far superior to the film. Treat yourself to an unforgettable read.
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| What is the true nature of UFO's?
Posted: 6/28/2006 9:35:09 AM | Greed, ego, desires, and emotions are not entirely functions of your conscious mind. There's also your unconcious mind, hormones/neurotransmitters, and other chemicals in your brain. While you can influence them with your conscious thoughts, you do not have complete control over them. It doesn't matter how intelligent you are, you still feel desire and have an ego. I could go more in depth, but unless you're educated in biology or psychology, it'll be hard to understand. And I'm lazy.
If life from other planets are carbon-based like us, and they probably are, they will most likely have these same characteristics. It doesn't matter how evolved they are, they are still animals, just like us. It's hormones and chemicals that guide their behaviour. They will want to expand and mark their territory and assert dominance for their own glory and pride.
This is like a religious argument. Complete blind faith with total disregard for scientific evidence (not concrete proof) pointing to the contrary. | |
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| What is the true nature of UFO's?
Posted: 6/28/2006 10:27:36 AM | | The UFO is a problem for some and an answer for others; this is what makes it a political fireball. To understand its nature and concerns we may need to force governments into addressing the situation - ‘people power' style. The Disclosure Project takes this view and I agree... the more ex military, scientists and such-like come forward the closer we will get. | |
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| What is the true nature of UFO's?
Posted: 6/28/2006 10:48:50 AM | I have heard stories from a lot of people of things they have seen and experienced. Intelligent educated, very together people.
Where I grew up in Northern Ontario we saw weird things in the skies a few times a year. I remember my parents waking us up to see a disk like light out over the water early in the morning. People would talk about it for a few days and then drop it. Like it was no big deal. Maybe weather balloons, maybe we all were mass hypnotized, amazing how everyone rationalized it, or just accepted it. Peoples stories all tell the same type of thing.
Yet I feel in myself this reluctance to believe any of it, including what I saw myself as a child.
I think that we are not so far away from our belief that this flat planet is the center of the universe and was made by god for only us. Stars are just decorations, not energy sources like our sun, and God is very wasteful, making all those stars just to decorate our sky for us. So we still think it’s flat here. And we are so, so scared of our vulnerability and smallness that the very idea of sharing the universe with anyone else scares the sheet out of us. So we go into collective denial in our fear, which comes across as the incredible arrogance to think we are the only ones. Everyone vying for the spot of the chosen ones still. Pathetic really when you think of it.
Also trying to figure out other peoples motives based on your own personality never has worked. Believing that if they are out there, they must be predators wanting to eat us, pillage us, take over us, recruit us, is based on the cultures most of you grew up in, where this is the way. It is not the way for a lot of cultures here on this planet. And may not be the way for other cultures from other star systems. It stands to reason that those attitudes we have prominent here, will cause eventual extinction, like is happening here. For someone to be able to visit other places, they probably don’t have that predatory belief systems, or they wouldn’t still be around. IMO | |
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| What is the true nature of UFO's?
Posted: 6/28/2006 12:06:53 PM | kaje,
Was homoerectus not carbon-based, as we homosapiens are? Yes...yet he couldn't fathom a rocket-ship or an unmanned satellite probe and how to manufacture them, nor how to navigate outerspace (let alone laws of physics, scientific principles, quantum mechanics, quantum physics, aeronautics, astronomy, mathematics, astrophysics, ETC) and we, homosapiens, still carbon-based can.
Evolution, in *all aspects*, can change a species drastically. | |
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| What is the true nature of UFO's?
Posted: 6/28/2006 3:06:30 PM | While evolution does change a species, that species, no matter how evolved, is still an animal. Homo erectus was an animal, homo sapiens are animals, and more intelligent beings will still be animals.
There are 3 levels of concsiousness, at the base is your ego. You have no control over it, it's entirely subconcsious. I don't mean ego as in people who think highly of themselves. Your ego dictates your desires. Such as desire to survive, eat good food, be happy, control territory, and be dominant. This is is the basic level of consciousness, all species have it. As species evolved, they gained a second level. The superego, it's still mostly subconcsious, but does contain some conscious elements. And then as we evolved, we have 3 levels. I don't remember my behavioural science off the top of my head from last semester, and I don't feel like looking for my textbook, so I don't remember what it's called. But it has to do with the thoughts that are fresh in your mind.
The 3rd level is our conscious mind.
But it's the ego i'm interested in now. All intelligent species, from fish to homo erectus and homo sapien, have this level. All more evolved species will still have this level.
The 2 higher levels do have influence over this level, but not direct control, and it will always be there.
Neurosciences was 2 semesters ago, so my knowledge of hormones and chemicals and their effects on emotions and desires is even more rusty. But our feelings are still driven by hormones, as are fish. More evolved species will still have hormones. When we get horny, it's not entirely a function of our intelligent mind, hormone levels acctually rise in our bodies. Same with anger, happiness, fear, etc. | |
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| What is the true nature of UFO's?
Posted: 6/28/2006 5:46:15 PM | At kaje:
Regardless of aliens (individually) having basic instincts just like any animals and regardless of greed, ego, and desires or any emotions not being entirely functions of their conscious mind --- They are STILL extremely intelligent beings and they would have a highly evolved command structure. Any individual alien who may secretly visit earth to spy on us or for whatever reason - would easily follow their prime directives.
Comparatively at such an early day of civilization – if members of American army can control their greed and emotions and desire to take over Iraq or do what they may personally would like to do – then why not the command structure of an extremely advance being won’t be able to perform in a more effective/ efficient way? Why would their command structure fall apart when they visit earth? If their prime directive were not to contact us then why would they break their own rule?
Personal emotions such as greed or anything that is guided or controlled by chemical balances or shifts in hormones levels – can be controlled by an effective command structure. That is what a military training is all about! It makes you kill your personal ego and make you listen to the commands that are given to you from your superiors. Whether you agree or not and whether you like it or not – you obey it.
If you are fearful of punishment or if you have sincere loyalty – then those emotions will take charge and suppress your other negative emotions such as greed or desire to rule another world. Rational thoughts would prevail over any negativity. In other words – it is safe to say that - any of those super advanced aliens would easily have control over their personal unconscious or sub-conscious mind and wouldn’t find it too difficult to follow their supreme laws. If their commanders asked them not to contact us when they spy on us – then so be it!! I am sure they must have mastered their emotions. | |
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| What is the true nature of UFO's?
Posted: 6/28/2006 6:11:42 PM |
As species evolved they gained a second level......And then as we evolved, we have 3 levels.
You're subconciously proving my point. *wink*
All intelligent species, from fish to homoerectus...
We disagree again, as I don't consider fish, nor homoerectus 'intelligent' species.
I'm fully aware of how neurotransmitters and hormones can affect our behaviour, as I can rattle off a few classes that I've taken myself, incl. chem., biology, anatomy and physiology I and II, psychology, abnormal psychology and neuroanatomy. But I believe they (hormones and chemicals) are FAR from the sum total of our being.
Brain *structure* and function has far more to do with a species intellectual evolution, as evidenced by homerectus' brain compared to homosapien's brain-and say advanced beings, possibly a million yrs more evolved than us, have an even further evolved brain structure, with much higher functions, following the normal pattern of evolution--this is the point I'm trying to make. The role of hormones plays a bit role in this scenario. Not to mention the advances we homosapiens have already made so far in correcting the effects of too much or too little of most hormones and chemicals, and our capability to alter neurotransmitter activity with our *modern* medicinal technology. Imagine what their medical technology could be.
Anyway, this is getting a bit off topic-and I gotta run!
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| What is the true nature of UFO's?
Posted: 7/3/2006 12:19:41 PM |
According to many UFO researchers, there has always been a connection between the Moon and UFOs. There have been numerous references to UFO by our astronauts. According to hitherto un-confirmed reports, both Neil Armstrong and Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin saw UFOs shortly after that historic landing on the Moon in Apollo 11 on 21 July 1969. I remember hearing one of the astronauts refer to a "light" in or on a crater during the television transmission, followed by a request from mission control for further information. Nothing more was heard. According to ex-NASA employee Otto Binder, ham radio operators overheard this exchange between Apollo 11 and mission control: These "Babies" are huge, Sir! Enormous! OH MY GOD! You wouldn't believe it! I'm telling you there are other spacecraft out there, Lined up on the far side of the crater edge! They're on the Moon watching us! This, of course, was allegedly proclaimed by Neil Armstrong. In 1979 Maurice Chatelain, former chief of NASA Communications Systems confirmed that Armstrong had indeed reported seeing two UFOs on the rim of a crater. Chatelain believes that some UFOs may come from our own solar system -- specifically Titan.
ufos.about.com/b/a/256734.htm
Of course this is "allegedly proclaimed" but it has not been denied either. | |
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| What is the true nature of UFO's?
Posted: 7/4/2006 8:00:06 AM | | hi- yes there is definitely a biblical connection and I have researched and seen ufo's many times throughout the years. I am not claiming to be an abductee however I do know alot about the subject matter. | |
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| What is the true nature of UFO's?
Posted: 7/4/2006 11:08:16 AM | | As for spliting the earth apart,that wouldant be allowed,the fact is there is a bigger game going on,a budhist monk was remote viewing with an higher being & was told that when the super powers usa & china kick off the nukes will be stoped in mid air,theres a lot of cases of ufos at military bases messing things up with the nukes.I go on the subject of ufos to people i dont usually talk to about,some look at me like im a nutter especially when i talk of the gallactic federation,so i allways say lets take a walk were theres not much light polution & look up in the sky for 10 20 mins,with out foul you will allways see them flying in the atmosphere or above,they say how did you know we was gonna see them,i said i dont but the fact is they are allways there, | |
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| What is the true nature of UFO's?
Posted: 7/4/2006 12:08:14 PM | fitman
Do you believe Christ was/is an alien? What biblical connection do you perceive?
shuriken
Yes, it's a fact, military bases have experienced outside intervention without explanation. The Disclosure Project confirms this.
A remote viewing monk? Do you have more information for this? | |
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| What is the true nature of UFO's?
Posted: 7/5/2006 2:17:02 AM | skypoetone- the true nature of UFO's may be more startling than we care to believe or think. We must consider ALL the evidence collectively in order to draw legitimate answers or conclusions. With myself, it all began with the Pine Bush sightings. Initially, these were what drove my brother and I into researching the enigma of UFO's. The phenomenon of UFO's and Ufology as a whole, is absolutely overwhelming. This fact, I found to be truest of all. It is staggering as well as mind-boggling to say the least.
As I have just come home from work,I will address your quiery directly in my next reply. However,I did want to say a few things to you now prior to that of course.
I believe they are inter-dimensional for sure. I will not elaborate on this 'till later on. (consider- the Bermuda Triangle if you will.)
I believe they can be physically real and not just a "deceptive mirage" as some Christians may claim.
I believe they can and do take people as in an "abduction-scenario."
I also believe that when you enter the subject of "para-normal" activity, there is MUCH area for deception. (consider- OBE's or Out of body experiences.)
I look forward to our upcoming discussions!!
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| What is the true nature of UFO's?
Posted: 7/5/2006 7:55:47 AM | At fitman2005:
I am looking forward to your next post. Even though I believe “inter-dimension” is a possibility, yet I am confused what you really mean by it. So, I would like to hear more about your conclusions.
Do you mean UFOs are from a parallel dimension or do you mean they are from our future? If you think they are “humans” from the future (i.e. thousands of years) then I would disagree because I don’t think this world would last that long. The best estimate I can come up with regarding the end of this world (as we know it) --- would be less than 300 years. And I doubt humans will learn time traveling by then. We don’t know enough about “time” and “light” … let alone understand the connection between them.
Even though (scientifically) a lot can be achieved even in 100 years – yet – if any of those sightings are real and if the aliens look anything like this  then I don’t believe it is humans from the future because I don’t think humans will look like that in a mere 250-300 years. I think it would take millions of years before any significant change could take place in human physique. | |
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| What is the true nature of UFO's?
Posted: 7/5/2006 8:12:20 AM | FitMan...you should check out what some professors at Laurentian University think about UFOs
http://www.laurentian.ca/neurosci/_research/tectonic_theory.htm
Unidentified flying objects (UFOs) are contemporary terms that have been applied primarily to anomalous luminous phenomena (ALP). They display odd movements, emit unusual colors or sounds and occasionally deposit physical residues. When these phenomena closely approach a human observer, exotic forces and perceptions are frequently reported. Most ALPs display life times in the order of minutes and appear to show spatial dimensions in the order of meters. Despite their remarkably similar descriptions over time and across cultures, the transience and localized occurrence of these phenomena have limited their systematic investigation.
Explanations for these phenomena have ranged from social misperceptions and delusions to some variant of mystical or extraterrestrial intelligence. However the only testable concept that has been formulated to date is the Tectonic Strain Theory or TST. It states that most UFO phenomena (not due to frank misobservation) are natural events, generated by stresses and strains within the earth's crust...................
............The only relationship between UFO phenomena and alien intelligence is that both concepts are strange. Although UFO phenomena are veridical and alien intelligence somewhere in the universe is probable, there never has been any evidence that the two are related. A connection between a "crashed vehicle" and the millions of UFOs displayed as ALP is even less likely. For centuries now, some form of "extraterrestrial" intelligence has been the default explanation for anomalous events that appear in the sky. ETI for UFOs is an empty hypothesis because the intelligence is functionally defined, like the existence of God, in a manner that can never be tested by traditional scientific methods.
With each added anomaly to UFO phenomena, the description of alien causality becomes more and more bizarre. One believer in the alien hypothesis commented that even if the correlation between UFOs and earthquakes was perfect, it would only show that spaceships are following faults lines in order to obtain energy to traverse the fourth dimension. No amount of analyses can compete with intense belief.
http://www.laurentian.ca/neurosci/_research/tectonic_theory.htm
Maybe they are just balls of light after all? | |
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| What is the true nature of UFO's?
Posted: 7/5/2006 8:49:18 AM | | No evolution is taking place here- genetic tampering for sure. I believe they wrote the book on cloning and the like. (consider- cattle mutilations and documented abduction experiences involving early fetus removals. Not to mention the old testament accounts of interbreedings with the human race. | |
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| What is the true nature of UFO's?
Posted: 7/5/2006 5:07:36 PM | Interesting site, but one that cannot explain many of the facets relating to UFOs, such as cattle mutilations, military compound interventions and those outside the earth's atmosphere, to name but a few.
Here's an entertaining thought though:
Psychologically, there is no difference in the belief that God protects a person from harm and the conviction that Omnipotent Space Creatures are spiritual custodians.
http://www.laurentian.ca/neurosci/_research/tectonic_theory.htm | |
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Posted: 7/6/2006 12:25:20 AM | hello everyone. interesting analogy skypoetone and very thought provoking. However, I don't know if I would call them omnipotent as some have been known to crash and burn. As far as spiritual custodians - Alot of the evidence can point to this theory but how can we say they are looking out for our spiritual welfare when they can cause emotional and physical as well as spiritual havoc to the lives of those they touch? I speak of those that have gone through the abduction experience for most of their lives.
Case studies have shown that these experiences can be quite traumatizing and offensive.
Of course, you have the embracing ones such as the famous "Betty and Barney Hill" case study. But look at the poor women who have had pre-born fetus' removed from their womb. Or the person who is repeatedly abducted against their will and is powerless to stop it.
On the subject of cattle mutilation I will say that science shows the blood of cattle is quite close to the hemoglobin found in humans. More interesting is the fact that in most of these case, the cattle are found completely drained of all blood with vital organs perfectly removed by laser-like incisions. UFO's are usually sighted in relation to these events which indicates a serious connection here. The conclusion is that these organs, tissues, blood etc., could be involved in some sort of genetic manipulation.
Shadowdancing- It is no secret that the goverment may already be involved in time-travel experimentation. One of the earliest cases being the famous "philadelphia experiment" which was in its origin designed as a "cloaking" test for warfare. It resulted in some rather catastrophic events which seemed to propel some of the crew members as well as the ship they were on into parts of the future. This was an electromagnetic experiment and you can read much on this elsewhere. My opinion is that the goverment took this experiment and others to higher levels. One other such experiment is referred to as "Montauk" I believe. The most interesting thing about that one was that those involved were only able to see so far into the future and were prevented from seeing any further. What's more interesting to me yet is what they saw. They reported (from what I am able to remember) seeing a throne. This throne was seen empty. There was a year associated with this but I cannot remember the futuristic time date stamp.
If there is an omnipotent God controlling this universe?? is it possible that He was controlling what we can see into the future? I believe there is.
As for a parallel dimension- yes, I believe there is. I have seen this dimension become very visible in the sky before me and it came out of nowhere. I have seen this just open up and countless UFO's appear before us in the night sky. I was not the only one there. There were three others that saw the same thing.
I agree with you that this world does not have too much time left.
treq36- My friend, until you actually see a UFO in the sky before you, you will always be skeptical. I was skeptical as well. I was also a truth-seeker and I saw for myself what the mystery of UFO's involved.
Now, what is this mystery?? OK let me say now that the majority of sightings I witnessed were most likely not goverment-engineered crafts. Having said this, I now open myself up to having to explain (to myself mainly) my own conclusion based on the sum of what I know to be true.
What I have to say is my own belief system. We all have those. I want to share mine with you. You may not agree with what that is and I'm fine with that, but share it I will.
We are in a dimension here that allows us to see and hear what is allowed. There is another dimension that can quite possibly be more real than the one we are in. It is a spiritual dimension. Call it "vibrational" call it what you will- it's there!!
I do not claim to have a power to see into this realm. I do know what I have seen and I do not know why we were able to see it the times we did. I just know that what I saw was incredibly real and unmistakable.
I want to add this now. As a child growing up it seemed for some strange reason that several, people (kids usually) would approach me with a report of seeing a UFO.
I say that to show you the prevalency of these things. Did God have a purpose for me to hear those events?? I don't know. I still don't know. It is something I distinctly remember growing up. So I guess the thought was always there- what are these things??
skypoetone- No I do not believe Jesus Christ was or is an alien. Though to those around him at the time, I'm sure he may have appeared to be from another realm for sure. He claimed to have come from the heavenly Father's realm above. He also claimed he was going back to the Father.
This brings me to my conclusion. Please note: If I use biblical scripture quotations, it's because it is a large part of my belief system. Without it, I could not be who I am. I believe God did a work in me many years ago drawing me to himself. Much like the previous subject matter I am sharing, I know this to be real and true. I absolutely believe God called me to a knowledge of himself and this was confirmed to me in his word. He is not willing that any perish but have everlasting life. He knocks at the door of our hearts and it's our job to let him in. Note: For more on this, please read my subject thread on " Is it sin to be a wiccan?"
In the book of Genesis, chapter 6, we read:
verse 1-2, "And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose."
verse 3- "And the Lord said, my spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years."
verse 4- "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that,when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."
I will end this here for now...please note that the term used here, "sons of God" is a term referring to angels. It is also found in the book of Job chapter 1 verse 6- " Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them."
Here, is the case presented from God's word and from one of the oldest manuscripts of the bible which shows evidence of a spiritual race intermingling and breeding with humans. | |
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| What is the true nature of UFO's?
Posted: 7/6/2006 8:06:40 AM |
until you actually see a UFO in the sky before you, you will always be skeptical.
I am not a total skeptic, I have talked to people who have seen them, even if I have not seen any. These were people of education and responsibly, and thus I had take what they said as at lest something they believed. And there are far too many reports to be ignored, I just don't buy all the fanciable explanations that people come up with. It is too much like religion, "We can't explain it so it must be an act of God/ET/Gremlins!!!" End of story, end of research.
However the research, I pointed out, gives a more testable hypothesis then just assuming it is beyond us and thus unknowable. The stated research does not deny nor dismiss the sightings as swamp gas or insanity. But treats the sightings as real and potentially useful (i.e. predicting earth quakes).
I do not deny what you have seen, I just offer an alternative conclusion to it's meaning. | |
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| What is the true nature of UFO's?
Posted: 7/6/2006 11:06:26 AM | There were giants in the earth in those days;and also after that, when the sons of God came into the daughters of Man, and they bear children to them...........
'giants' is a mistranslation (from Hebrew to Greek, I believe)...the original word used in the ancient texts was 'Nefilim.' I.E. "The Nefilim were upon the earth in those days;and thereafter too, when the sons of the gods cohabited with the daughters of the Adam (Man), and they bore children unto them." This is not a traditional translation. For a long time 'Nefilim' has been translated as 'giants' but recent translators, recognizing the error, have resorted back to leaving the Hebrew term 'Nefilim' intact in the translation. Stemming from the Semitic (Hebrew) root NFL, which means "to be cast down," it means exactly what it says. It means in Hebrew, 'those who were cast down (upon earth??)'
Malbim, a noted Jewish biblical commentator, recognized these ancient roots and has explained:
"in ancient times the rulers of countries were the sons of 'deities' who arrived upon the earth from the heavens, and ruled the earth, and married wives from among the daughters of Man; and their offspring included heroes and mighty ones, princes and sovereigns."
These stories, Malibim said, were of the pagan 'gods,' he continues, "sons of the deities, who in earliest times fell down from the heavens upon the earth...that is why they called themselves Nefilim, meaning 'those who fell down.' "
Anyway, it's also interesting to consider that if life on another planet started even 1% earlier/sooner than life on earth, then it began there some 45,000,000 years earlier. Even by this 'minute' margin (in terms of evolution), beings as developed as modern man would already have been existing on that planet when the first small mammals had *just begun* to appear on earth. Given this earlier start for life on another planet, it'd be entirely theoretically possible for it's 'ppl' to be capable of space travel 500,000 yrs ago.
Some facts of this post taken from the book, "The 12th Planet" ( a very interesting read in terms of it's **scholarly decipherment and translation, etc, of the *most ancient* Mesopotamian texts (Sumerian, etc), which pre-date ALL other written manuscripts in the world, and *from* which the Hebrews, ETC, derived (and in most cases 'messed up') their info from.
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| What is the true nature of UFO's?
Posted: 7/6/2006 11:28:43 AM | They have been hiding and secret for years for a reason,if you can believe in UFO's , that you have never seen , then you might want to start thinking they are fallen angle,playing a well groomed game on you.
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| What is the true nature of UFO's?
Posted: 7/6/2006 11:34:54 AM | | Maybe fallen 'angels' and 'beings' associated w/ UFO's are one and the same? Just a thought... Peace... | |
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| What is the true nature of UFO's?
Posted: 7/6/2006 11:49:07 AM | YOU GOT IT BABE,  HOLLYWOOD over the years have sold it to you that E.T is are friend,but the fact clearly say that 9 out of every 10 victoms of obductions complain of sexual abuse. or alterations. UFO my azz.
when the origanal sons of god met the daughters of men , and found then to be fair ,they took them as brides.Greek mytholigy doesnt lie. its very true. | |
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| What is the true nature of UFO's?
Posted: 7/6/2006 12:34:24 PM | | lilnikki and tekrok: You are both on the money here. Angels and mythological characters...hmmm when I think of mythology, (funny it was one of my best subjects in H.S.) it speaks very well of that interesting verse from Genesis 6 verse 4 again- ".....and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown." | |
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