| Iraq- should we or Shouldn't we?
Posted: 10/1/2005 5:55:00 PM | @roaul-
thanks sarah38.do you think there will ever be a united world?
There will be if people didn't put doubt onto the plans and methods used to get us there!
A united world is achieveable, it's not just something someone has dreamt up! | |
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| Iraq- should we or Shouldn't we?
Posted: 10/1/2005 5:56:53 PM | | that is so true and may i add i have so much respect for you and your fellow soldiers past and present. | |
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| Iraq- should we or Shouldn't we?
Posted: 10/1/2005 5:58:45 PM | @sarah38-
chill babe anger will never settle this shit
neither will love ...just hope
I am chilled, Just some people on here should really take a look at thee lifestyles before spouting there oppinions.
This message board would be better if you could see all the posts whilst replying, instead of having to write messages individually to reply to peoples comments!  | |
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Posted: 10/1/2005 6:01:25 PM |
that is so true and may i add i have so much respect for you and your fellow soldiers past and present.
Cheers it's very muchly appreciated! | |
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| Iraq- should we or Shouldn't we?
Posted: 10/1/2005 6:06:55 PM | | wez the question i asked sarah was because i feel that a united world can be acheived only if the goverments of the world want it to be but with so many being corrupted for now it is just a dream.mugarbe,ect are just self-serving tossers and dont give a shyt about nowt.respect. | |
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Posted: 10/1/2005 6:55:23 PM | | and do you know what i worry everday about losing someone special because of all the shit going on about drugs and oil.....not very ****ing funny really | |
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Posted: 10/1/2005 7:17:56 PM | Whats to be ashamed about for wanting compromise in the name of world peace!
I used to worry everyday about losing my life, and the life of the guys i live fight sleep do everything next to! But if I had carried on it would of cracked me up, just goin on patrol out here I was so nervous i would be sweating nd shakin before i even went out of camp and on the ground the men would get worried because i looked and sounded worried when tellin them what to do, in the ned i relised if its your time its your time there aint no point worryin bout it til it happens! its hard at first but once you let go of all the fear its pretty easy! and feels good! | |
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Posted: 10/1/2005 8:02:45 PM | You misunderstand me.
I don't approve of it. I'm just trying to suggest what the real motivation for the government might be.
I've got nothing but admiration for the people on the front line and I know I certainly couldn't do it.
But there is a difference between the people in Washington and Whitehall and those actually on the front line. The soldiers etc. are brave courageous people who are doing what they do for the best of reasons but I do not for a minute believe that President Bush and all the shadowy people behind him have the same motivation.
As things stand, of course I'm not happy to have people killed so I can have petrol in my car. But that is precisely why people are dying in Iraq. For those in power, not the frontline guys and us normal people, oil (and by extension petrol) IS the reason.
My second point is this. When the oil runs out, western civilisation is destroyed just as surely as if there had been a nuclear holocaust. Millions of people will die as the infrastructure fails. When that happens, I wonder to what lengths we would be happy for the government to go, in order to prevent it. Individually none of us would harm a single person for petrol but the government, in fulfilling its prime responsibility, might do extreme unthinkable things. Then would we vote them out in favour of letting our way of life die? I doubt it?
Of course I realise you're always open to misunderstanding when you criticise something like the Iraq situation. But I believe in a democracy, it is honourable to support and admire the forces on the ground AND to dispute the motives of the government who sent them there. | |
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Posted: 10/2/2005 4:19:39 AM | @ Wez
I know how it feels Wez, had the same sort of thing while serving two tours in Northern Ireland ('82 & '89), but like you say, you have to get past it or else you can't do your job.
With reference to WMD's, we were led to believe that these were launch capable long range weapons able to reach us here in the West - somebody lied. As yet, no such weapons have been found, and there's a big difference between a limited range weapon such as the Scud-7 and an ICBM that is capable of travelling a few thousands miles.
That Saddam did what he did is not in dispute, the evidence is there for all to see. What is in dispute is the existence of the weapons - "the reason you are there in the first place".
And remember this, America is the ONLY nation to have used (twice) the type of weapons we were led to believe Saddam had. | |
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Posted: 10/2/2005 5:34:50 PM | But like I already said, who says there isn't WMD's out there? Who says there isn't chemical and Bio-logical weapons out there? Because it's not on the news don't mean it's not happenin!
What information gets released to the media is up fo the government to decide, and believe me almost nothing gets printed in the paper without the government/mod's permission! | |
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Posted: 10/3/2005 12:26:31 PM | Wez,
You raise an interesting point in one of your earlier post - "put Saddam back in power but with strict guidelines".
Not actually a bad idea - in theory.
True, the country was far more stable under his rule than it is now or possibly likely to be in the near future.
The downside of this idea is whether or not he would obey the guidelines set out for him - given his track record in the past, probably not.
That said, sometimes it's a case of "better the devil you know". | |
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Posted: 10/3/2005 1:13:54 PM | i think like everyone who's visited this thread we have a great deal of admiration and respect for the guys doing the job out there.
Hope i'm not being too cynical for remembering the old adage of " its the moneyed men who aspire to rid the world of perceived threat....its the ordinary man who does the dying for it !" | |
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Posted: 10/3/2005 3:10:43 PM | Regardless of what we think of the situation in Iraq we are out there and as far as i am concerned thats the end of that matter.
What we should be doing is showing our forces that we hold them in high esteem and back them to the hilt. How must the families of soldiers killed in Iraq feel when they read or hear reports that we should pull out and leave the Iraqis to it. I for one would not like to think that any member of my family went out there and died in vain for a conflict we would not finish.
I am proud of our servicemen and women and wish them all the best wherever they are in the world and hope they return safely to their loved ones and friends. | |
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Posted: 10/3/2005 3:50:17 PM | | In response to putting Saddam back in power would not work. In my job I have have had the opportunity to talk to two members of the Iraqi Freedom Fighters. These men fought with the US and it's allies in the first gulf war. These people are very bitter at the the U.S. for leaving Saddam in power. These men were gotten out of the country but not their families. As a result these men lost many family members in Saddam's revenge. These men told me that if Saddam was back in Iraq, he would be killed quickley. These people do not want him back in power. They want him back to put him on trial for the murders of 1000's of Iraqi citizens. This is not speculation, this came from Iraqi people. In truth there are many factions fighting to be in charge. Whoever was put in power would always be targets for assasination. No government will be a stable one there. As said earlier, unless the Iraqi people cooperate, and I don't believe they will right now. It's all about oil! Sure I need gasoline in my car and I need heating fuel in the winter. Yet there are alternative ways of fuel. Maybe we should explore other ways of heating or powering our cars. Then we wouldn't be dependant on this volitile region. Those alternative means are out there, but the billionaire oilmen(George Bush) don't want us to know about them. If we didn't need the oil we wouldn't be there. As I said earlier this is just 21st century imperialism. We want them to govern themselves, but only with a ruler of our choosing. | |
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Posted: 10/3/2005 8:11:52 PM | Like the earlier poster said, whatever the rights and wrongs of our presence there, the fact is there's complete chaos there which we simply cannot bail out on. Like it or not, we have a responsibility now to bring peace and stability to Iraq.
With regard to oil, securing Irag's oil is pretty short-sighted. Oil is a non-renewable recource and it will run out. Our energies should be put into developing renewable environmentally friendly energy. This is the 21st. century for god's sake. Surely it's not beyond the wit of man to come up with a solution.
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Posted: 10/4/2005 9:46:32 PM | put saddam back into power!!! are you truely mad.
do you realy have a clue on what went on out there?
i was in the 2nd gulf war. i seen our countrys soldiers out there being killed and blowen up. i phrase again OUR SOLDIERS!!! do you know how many bio weapons saddam droped onto the curds out there. he killed thousands of people just to keep the iraqi people under his thumb.
is it me or has the world gone mad. most of the iraqi people are glad he's gone, it's only the terrist units out there that are fighting against us. it was never going to be easy, but you just can't stand back to let it happen.
so are you saying we should never of gotten involved in kosovo? so you think it's ok that the serbs were killing the albains just as long as it's not you? they have trouble still out there, was that not worth it? lets just hope this country never see anything like such.
just so i can get this off my chest once and for all i'd like to say to all the ****ed up peace loving hippy mother ****ers out there that done nothing but protest about the war, i just would like to have the chance to say thanx and you make me sick, scum!!!
i was one of the first to cross the boarder into iraq. i wish you lot could of known what it felt like to have half your own country against your actions. a lot of soldiers died out there to stop the suffuring of millions. you should at least give them respect.
to all the people that did care, i thank you.
R.I.P soldiers... colt... | |
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Posted: 10/4/2005 11:07:13 PM | The governments need to get together and make a better plan to improve the coontry! Would it be all bad putting Saddam back into power? But giving him strict guidelines? the country was never as bad as this when he was in power! -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
wez... this is a quote you made earlier. come on do you really think this is the best thing to do? you seem to be a smart person, just take a look around you and ask yourself do they need a dictater. mine and your job out there was simular but different if you know what i mean?
if we put him back in and he does not complie with restrictions then what? do we have a 3rd gulf war to kick him back out? so more people can die.
he wouldn't complie with restrictions. the only way he kept in power was to scare the people to control them. tho i do agree that goverments should get things sorted soon.
i would like to say thank you to all the people showing your support for us and other forces. i'm now out the army but not before i faught in the 2nd gulf. i salute you guys in iraq, i know it's not easy out there but keep your chin up and heads down.
mynitedream... i know where your coming from. | |
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Posted: 10/5/2005 4:41:13 AM | I know that there are a lot of soldiers on here. You should know that you are fighting an economic war. I don't know whether this will bother you or not.
It was known that there were no WMDs in Iraq at the time we invaded. We were lied to, plain and simple. All of us.
You should know, then, that Saddam's real crime was offering to sell his country's oil in Euros. Of course you will all know that oil can only be traded in dollars and this is how the US can maintain it's enormous deficit.
This is a dual pronged attack on you, the citizenry of this planet. The faked terrorist attacks on September 11th in the US and July 7th in the UK were designed to allow a permanent war footing to be established. Phase 1 is over now and phase 2, stripping us of our civil liberties in the name of security so that we can be herded about like cattle, is well underway.
Soldier boys and girls it's time to put up or shut up. Will we see Nuremberg reprised with the 'just following orders' spiel? Or will you stand up for the real values we are supposed to represent in the West? Martial law is only a heartbeat away in the US, will you turn your guns on your own people when they protest?
As to the rest of us, it's our responsibility to *know* What's Really Going On. You want to know who's responsible for a crime? Start looking at who benefits. | |
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Posted: 10/5/2005 4:49:56 AM |
just so i can get this off my chest once and for all i'd like to say to all the ****ed up peace loving hippy mother ****ers out there that done nothing but protest about the war, i just would like to have the chance to say thanx and you make me sick, scum!!!
That'd be people like me then, would it? Perhaps you can explain to me why you find the concept of Peace so abhorrent. | |
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Posted: 10/5/2005 7:46:28 AM | so that's ok then guys. their couldn't of been wmd's because shrodcatuk said so. what planet are you living on? so i take it all the curds just died of flu then?
oh yes!!! that does mean you... peace is welcome but sometimes you need to enforce peace. believe it or not there are people out there that don't want peace to happen, such as saddam. all he has done since he was in power is invade small countrys and bully his own people. sometimes you need to play by their rules.
if you ask me then yes i think you're scum!!! you're cowards, the lowest of the low. yes we do have a choice on joining the army, but that's because we are willing to fight for our country to prevent harm to our friends and family. we have no choice about going to iraq. we are pupets of the goverment.
the difference beyween people like you and the others in britain is that while you done nothing but winge and go on about peace and bad mouth us out there, the rest even if they didn't agree with the war they still cared for our safe return. their thoughts and their hearts went out to us, and we thank them. you never know when the day might come when they are fighting for our freedom.
you're worth nothing to me. i wouldn't of even replied to you if it wasn't for the fact of saying my bit. if i was you i'd just go back to playing with your****and watching army videos. | |
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Posted: 10/5/2005 8:26:59 AM | | well colt5 all I can say is I wish you hadn't replied. What a obnoxious prat you are. Did you engage brain before writing. If we're worth nothing to you why did you join the army to protect us, bit hypocritical of you. You may have your opionions but to call people 'scum' and 'the lowest of the low' is a uncalled for. | |
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