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Posted: 10/5/2005 9:11:22 AM | so come on then what do you have to add then.? sitting there saying all these manly words like (twat, and all the rest).
so if you have anything to say that can convince me i'm wrong then go ahead.
just so i know your just not getting what i'm saying i think our forces should have some support from it's own country rather than ready to bad mouth them.
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Posted: 10/5/2005 9:23:19 AM | | ok first I think you'll see I used the word prat not twat. Secondly Im not arguing against your point, I actually agree with what your saying. The point I was making was you were being very rude about people in the way you titled them 'scum' and 'low lifes'. Just because people dont agree with your opinions doesn't give you just cause to abuse them verbally. | |
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Posted: 10/5/2005 9:27:07 AM |
so that's ok then guys. their couldn't of been wmd's because shrodcatuk said so. what planet are you living on? so i take it all the curds just died of flu then?
You don't have to take *my* word for it. Hans Blix said so before we occupied Iraq. Now Tony Bliar and George Dubya Shrub say so as well. As to the Kurds (I presume that's who you mean) if you're an expert on the subject and not just regurgitating Murdoch's propaganda message then please enlighten us all.
Saddam may well have gassed the Kurds but the US forces have been chucking their radioactive waste around for 10 years, what's the difference? How are we any better than him?
oh yes!!! that does mean you... peace is welcome but sometimes you need to enforce peace. believe it or not there are people out there that don't want peace to happen, such as saddam. all he has done since he was in power is invade small countrys and bully his own people. sometimes you need to play by their rules.
And now we've invaded his country and are bullying and murdering those same people. Is that what you mean by playing their rules? We've been doing that since Gulf War 1 so what's really changed? The Iraqi people have another set of dictators now, a puppet government and****Cheney's corporate interests stripping the country of its resources.
the difference beyween people like you and the others in britain is that while you done nothing but winge and go on about peace and bad mouth us out there, the rest even if they didn't agree with the war they still cared for our safe return. their thoughts and their hearts went out to us, and we thank them. you never know when the day might come when they are fighting for our freedom.
I didn't bad mouth you and who said I didn't want you to return safely? Why are you putting words into my mouth?
If you think the rest of Britain support the torture of prisoners and the murder of children then you're out of your tiny uneducated mind.
I just told you, didn't I, that we *are* fighting for our freedom here. And you are part of the machinery that's trying to take our freedom away. Not Saddam Hussein or Al Qaeda but Dubya Shrub and his trained monkey Tony Bliar. I pay taxes so that our armed forces can protect our country not so they can protect corporate interests and run around murdering kids in the name of profit.
you're worth nothing to me. i wouldn't of even replied to you if it wasn't for the fact of saying my bit. if i was you i'd just go back to playing with your****and watching army videos.
Like I care what I'm worth to a half-witted drone like you. You say your piece and show the world how dumb you are if you want to. At the end of the day you'll do as you're told.
And if I'm going to play with my c0ck then you can be damn sure I'm not going to be watching a load of shaved chimps playing Rambo while I'm doing it.
if you ask me then yes i think you're scum!!!
Well that's just charming.
You're not paid to think though, are you? You're just a pawn and if it serves their purposes they'll sacrifice you to cook up war fever back home quicker'n knife. A good soldier should at least know who his or her enemy is. | |
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Posted: 10/5/2005 9:38:17 AM | @shrodcatuk,
"faked terrorist attacks"? I'm with colt5 on this - what planet are you on?
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Posted: 10/5/2005 7:28:20 PM | thank god!!! i thought it was just me for the minute. thought the whole world had gone crazy.
thank you (hopping). they say that i'm dumb or words of that kind, but they then say that we soldiers are like monkeys that follow orders and can't think for ourselfs lol. do you two think that we grow on trees or that we get pushed out from some factory somewhere. i have news for you two, we were all civilians once. we joined a re-cruit-ment centre. and i can tell you now that every one of us have our own mind and thoughts. by making those comments you only show yourselfs up. and you say i'm dumb lol lol...
if you want to know who's being lead it's you two. i take it you got all your info from the media? well guess what lads, who do you think tells the media what they can broadcast or do you also get your info from the papers that will just write anything for a good sell. ha ha ha please lads stay out of what you know nothing about. i was there to see it with my own eyes.
i'm going to nickname you both dumb and dumber from now on. their maybe an economical advantage in this, but the reason me and the rest of us were out there was so the iraqi people can be free from saddam. i do hope you tell your view on this to someone in a bar that doesn't share it. and like my friend (hopping) said, if you think i'm bad then what do you think the parents of the lads that got killed would say.
oh and by the way " pratt or twat" whatever! who cares. you know that's the lowest form of wit. 
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Posted: 10/5/2005 8:22:46 PM | shrodcat
i can see now why your so messed up in the head now, all those drugs playing with you brain. well first you need one.
you probably spent the the whole of the gulf war on you back smacked out you head and woke up just in time to see the highlights.
i can see now why you have a problem with life. like sticking you head in the sand when taking drugs... i was right... coward. can't face life.
your dad must of beat you as a child, so i can see now why you hate authority.
remember, people show their love in different ways.
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Posted: 10/5/2005 9:08:36 PM | jack matser you said this;
If we're worth nothing to you why did you join the army to protect us, bit hypocritical of you. You may have your opionions but to call people 'scum' and 'the lowest of the low' is a uncalled for.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
now let me try and clear this up for you once and for all. that doesn't refere to all the british public, just the ones that bad mouth the soldiers out there in iraq.
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Posted: 10/6/2005 4:06:58 PM | @shrodcatuk
You really need to flush out your head and stop believin half the sh*te you see in the papers and on the news!
To be honest when we receive gift aid parcels out here from children back in the UK sayin they think were brave and saying thank you for what were doing and when we have people writing to our local newspapers asking them to come out to see us and to bring with them all the thanks and praise they can that makes what we do worth while! And it makes the Lives of friends and comrades that have been lost, not just out here but in all theatres the British Armed Forces has operated in,not worthwhile in all cases but still, not in vain! Not for the families maybe, but for the blokes who fought along side them!
So for the minority few yellow bellied lilly livered wank*rs out there who think that the wars wrong, Blow Me! I'd be happy if I got blew up in my bed tonite by a rocket that I've changed some ones life for the better, not just here but in the balkans aswell! How many people can say that they've done something that has affected the way someone will live for the rest of there life for the better?
And now we've invaded his country and are bullying and murdering those same people. Is that what you mean by playing their rules? We've been doing that since Gulf War 1 so what's really changed? The Iraqi people have another set of dictators now, a puppet government and****Cheney's corporate interests stripping the country of its resources.
So who are we murdering and bullying then? You must be able to see alot more from your arm chair and computer screen than I can see on the ground and from the turret of my warrior.
Well that's just charming.
You're not paid to think though, are you? You're just a pawn and if it serves their purposes they'll sacrifice you to cook up war fever back home quicker'n knife. A good soldier should at least know who his or her enemy is.
I think you'll find that the British Army is one of the best most effective armies in the world for the following reason- Every man in the british army is allowed to think for himself, from an 18 yr old private soldier, in his first fire fight has some say towards the plan made in that situation, all the way up to the general officer commanding and further.
Most Armies in the world try to put down every scenario that could ever happen onto paper and then make there soldiers follow it to the 'T', and lose alot of men in the process, by giving a soldier the rite to think for himself he gets the job done by following orders yes, but by self preservation! THIS IDEA THAT SOLDIERS ARE JUST PAWNS AND DO WHAT THEY'RE TOLD EVEN IF IT MEANS CERTAIN DEATH IS BULLSHIT! as i said in an earlier post!
the murder of children then you're out of your tiny uneducated mind.
So who's been muredering children then? I'd like to know?
that we *are* fighting for our freedom here.
so what are you doing in the effort then if it is *we* who are fighting?
I pay taxes so that our armed forces can protect our country
You pay your taxes because you have to because it's the law! Not by choice!
I'm not going to be watching a load of shaved chimps playing Rambo while I'm doing it.
without being pedantic rambo, was actually a Marine. therefore not in the army! 
Hans Blix said so before we occupied Iraq.
I say again, just because he didn't find them don't mean they are not there! and if in the future it emerges that there was/is chemical weapons what will be the publics reaction? The heathens that have give us nothin but shit when all we wanted was support will say that its a fix/hoax and that the governments are trying to salvage what they can from as they (the protesters ) put it a failure!
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Posted: 10/6/2005 4:18:20 PM | @ shrodcatuk-
I was goin to stop after my last little rant, but now!
What do you mean by 'Faked Terrorist Attacks'?
Are you really suggesting that the British and US governments blew up tube stations and and crashed planes full of people into the twin towers and all the other incidents so that they could go to Iraq and get oil? If you are you should really stop and listen to your self!
Or maybe it was an Optical Illusion and the thousands of people killed aren't actually dead they're just living on a secret island somewhere?
Or maybe your just P*ssed up or coming down from whatever sh*t you been putting in your veins?
IMHO if the US and Britain wanted oil that bad, then we'd have just marched straight into Iraq and taken it! If we're being honest here, who would of stopped us? the french? Nah i dont think so they'll justsit back and watch as per usual, the Russians? Nah I dont hink so, they don't care!!! The Germans? Nah, they aint really interested. SO who would have the Bollox to stand up to the 2 greatest nations in the world and say oi- stop! you can't do that??? NOBODY! cos they either don't care, aint interested or aven't got anything to back it up with!
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This is a close subject to me as I have many friends over there serving in all types of services ranging from Sas, Raf, Navy and my dad, who was a full time solider when it kicked off the 1st time round in the early 90's and served the full time out there, and now he is out of the army he still works out there with a civvy contract company working along side the army, and ok he’s on superb wage for being over there still don’t mean I want him over there. Some of the stuff ive read regarding this thread have made me mad as well as laugh at the lack of historical knowledge so let me whip out a few facts in here: If u look back at where this all started America is to blame:
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The CIA-organized regime change was a coup in 1963 that employed political assassination, mass imprisonment, torture and murder. This was the military coup that first brought Saddam Hussein's beloved Ba'ath Party to power in Iraq. At the time, Richard Helms was Director for Plans at the CIA. That is the top CIA position responsible for covert actions, like organizing coups. Helms served in that capacity until 1966, when he was made Director. In the quotations collected below, the name of the leader who was assassinated is spelled variously as Qasim, Qassim and Kassem. But, however you spell his name, when he took power in a popularly-backed coup in 1958; he certainly got recognized in Washington. He carried out such anti-American and anti-corporatist policies as starting the process of nationalizing foreign oil companies in Iraq, withdrawing Iraq from the US-initiated right-wing Baghdad Pact (which included another military-run, US-puppet state, i.e., Pakistan) and decriminalizing the Iraqi Communist Party. Despite these actions, and more likely because of them, he was Iraq's most popular leader. He had to go! In 1959, there was a failed assassination attempt on Qasim. The failed assassin was none other than a young Saddam Hussein. In 1963, a CIA-organized coup did successfully assassinate Qasim and Saddam's Ba'ath Party came to power for the first time. Saddam returned from exile in Egypt and took up the key post as head of Iraq's secret service. The CIA then provided the new pliant, Iraqi regime with the names of thousands of communists, and other leftist activists and organizers. Thousands of these supporters of Qasim and his policies were soon dead in a rampage of mass murder carried out by the CIA's close friends in Iraq. Iraq is once again a target of US regime change. Despite that, precious little is being said by the corporate media about how the CIA aided and abetted political assassination, regime change and mass murder, all in the name of putting Saddam's Ba'ath power into power for the first time in Iraq. One thing is for sure, the US will find it much harder to remove the Ba'ath Party from power in Iraq than they did putting them in power back in 1963. If more people knew about this diabolical history, they just might not be so inclined to trust the US in its current efforts to execute regime change in Iraq.
And the same goes for Bin Laden:
Bin Laden: Osama bin Laden, one of 20 sons of a billionaire construction magnate, arrived in Afghanistan to join the jihad in 1980. An austere religious fanatic and business tycoon, bin Laden specialized in recruiting, financing and training the estimated 35,000 non-Afghan mercenaries who joined the mujaheddin. The bin Laden family is a prominent pillar of the Saudi Arabian ruling class, with close personal, financial and political ties to that country's pro-US royal family. Bin Laden senior was appointed Saudi Arabia's minister of public works as a favour by King Faisal. The new minister awarded his own construction companies lucrative contracts to rebuild Islam's holiest mosques in Mecca and Medina. In the process, the bin Laden family company in 1966 became the world's largest private construction company. Osama bin Laden's father died in 1968. Until 1994, he had access to the dividends from this ill-gotten business empire. (Bin Laden junior's oft-quoted personal fortune of US$200-300 million has been arrived at by the US State Department by dividing today's value of the bin Laden family net worth — estimated to be US$5 billion — by the number of bin Laden senior's sons. A fact rarely mentioned is that in 1994 the bin Laden family disowned Osama and took control of his share.) Osama's military and business adventures in Afghanistan had the blessing of the bin Laden dynasty and the reactionary Saudi Arabian regime. His close working relationship with MAK also meant that the CIA was fully aware of his activities. Milt Bearden, the CIA's station chief in Pakistan from 1986 to 1989, admitted to the January 24, 2000, New Yorker that while he never personally met bin Laden, “Did I know that he was out there? Yes, I did ... [Guys like] bin Laden were bringing $20-$25 million a month from other Saudis and Gulf Arabs to underwrite the war. And that is a lot of money. It's an extra $200-$300 million a year. And this is what bin Laden did.” In 1986, bin Laden brought heavy construction equipment from Saudi Arabia to Afghanistan. Using his extensive knowledge of construction techniques (he has a degree in civil engineering), he built “training camps”, some dug deep into the sides of mountains, and built roads to reach them. These camps, now dubbed “terrorist universities” by Washington, were built in collaboration with the ISI and the CIA. The Afghan contra fighters, including the tens of thousands of mercenaries recruited and paid for by bin Laden, were armed by the CIA. Pakistan, the US and Britain provided military trainers. Tom Carew, a former British SAS soldier who secretly fought for the mujaheddin told the August 13, 2000, British Observer, “The Americans were keen to teach the Afghans the techniques of urban terrorism — car bombing and so on — so that they could strike at the Russians in major towns ... Many of them are now using their knowledge and expertise to wage war on everything they hate.” Al Qaeda (the Base), bin Laden's organization, was established in 1987-88 to run the camps and other business enterprises. It is a tightly-run capitalist holding company — albeit one that integrates the operations of a mercenary force and related logistical services with “legitimate” business operations. Bin Laden has simply continued to do the job he was asked to do in Afghanistan during the 1980's — fund, feed and train mercenaries. All that has changed is his primary customer. Then it was the ISI and, behind the scenes, the CIA. Today, his services are utilized primarily by the reactionary Taliban regime. Bin Laden only became a “terrorist” in US eyes when he fell out with the Saudi royal family over its decision to allow more than 540,000 US troops to be stationed on Saudi soil following Iraq's invasion of Kuwait. When thousands of US troops remained in Saudi Arabia after the end of the Gulf War, bin Laden's anger turned to outright opposition. He declared that Saudi Arabia and other regimes — such as Egypt — in the Middle East were puppets of the US, just as the PDPA government of Afghanistan had been a puppet of the Soviet Union. He called for the overthrow of these client regimes and declared it the duty of all Muslims to drive the US out of the Gulf States. In 1994, he was stripped of his Saudi citizenship and forced to leave the country. His assets there were frozen. After a period in Sudan, he returned to Afghanistan in May 1996. He refurbished the camps he had helped build during the Afghan war and offered the facilities and services — and thousands of his mercenaries — to the Taliban, which took power that September. Today, bin Laden's private army of non-Afghan religious fanatics is a key prop of the Taliban regime.
Prior to the devastating September 11 attack on the twin towers of World Trade Centre, US ruling-class figures remained unrepentant about the consequences of their dirty deals with the likes of bin Laden, Hekmatyar and the Taliban. Since the awful attack, they have been downright hypocritical. In an August 28, 1998, report posted on MSNBC, Michael Moran quotes Senator Orrin Hatch, who was a senior member of the Senate Intelligence Committee which approved US dealings with the mujaheddin, as saying he would make “the same call again”, even knowing what bin Laden would become. “It was worth it. Those were very important, pivotal matters that played an important role in the downfall of the Soviet Union.” Hatch today is one of the most gung-ho voices demanding military retaliation. Another face that has appeared repeatedly on television screens since the attack has been Vincent Cannistrano, described as a former CIA chief of “counter-terrorism operations”. Cannistrano is certainly an expert on terrorists like bin Laden, because he directed their “work”. He was in charge of the CIA-backed Nicaraguan contras during the early 1980's. In 1984, he became the supervisor of covert aid to the Afghan mujaheddin for the US National Security Council. The last word goes to Zbigniew Brzezinski: “What was more important in the world view of history? The Taliban or the fall of the Soviet Empire? A few stirred up Muslims or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the Cold War?”
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When u read all the facts above u really have to ask what the hell are we doing in this war, I mean what goes around comes around, if I was 2 train a dog to fight and so on don’t be shocked when it turns around and bites u in the leg, but I would take that dog out and out him down, so should America they have trained a nation of ppl to fight and armed them and now there having to deal with it, and we just got dragged into it all.
Oh and buddy keep ur head down and stay safe
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Posted: 10/6/2005 6:01:24 PM | Thanks for the advice, I'l bear that in mind! 
If u look back at where this all started America is to blame:
Firstly the aim of this thread wasn't to find out who we should blame.
Secondly& Finally, Just out of interest, all that jargon you posted above has all that come from your own head based on your own oppinion or have you just done a search on the internet and posted what you found?
Fair enough the Americans trained the afghans and now they're suffering for it! But sh*t we trained Iraqi officers at our own officer training school at RMA SANDHURST prior to the first gulf war they then used our tactics against us, nobody slagged us of for doing so befor/during/after the first gulf, so it's hardly fair to slate the americans for what they did. At the time it was the rite thing to do! Just a shame the way it turned out!
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Posted: 10/6/2005 7:49:30 PM | @fuzzygavino
theirs not much to add to that, i think wez has already said what i was thinking when i read it myself, and that was that it looked like it came out of some book or something. it had no feeling to it just blah...blah...blah.
i'm not going to slate you or anything of the sort because that's your opinion and i respect that. i just feel that it came from a book or internet somewhere and i don't believe anything till i see it myself. i'm not saying it's not true, i'm just saying the truth can be bent depending on what the persons gain is by writting it.
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Posted: 10/7/2005 4:47:06 AM | Ok in my last year at college we studied the effects of the cold war and how America and Russia used other countries as chess pieces in there arms/ space race, I think we all know that had America and Russia actually started war between each other the world would now be still in the nuclear fall out of the results and most of the human race would be dead. So instead of direct conflict between the two countries, they supplied weapons to various countries, Iraq, Iran, Vietnam, etc and let them fight it out, kind of like a big version of war hammer, but with real ppl dying sadly. Ok yes I used a lot facts in my reply but surly after reading some of what people who don’t seem to have a clue what there talking about I felt it would be good to actually be able to use facts to prove the point, I mean if u want to get funny about it u can go right back to the Christian crusades I wont bore anyone with the facts as im sure not many ppl would even no what im on about, but to help maybe watch the film kingdom of heaven, its very loosely based on all the events, but it does help ppl who didn’t even no about that time in history understand what’s going on, by that I mean how religion can be proved to be the main contributing factors for any war. Of course my intention was not to offend anyone as I thought this was an open thread to peoples opinions, how can you ask if we should or shouldn’t be out there without actually asking why were out there?
Wez155, how long u been out there for buddy? And again hope your well and safe.
Colt5, the piece I put in there was internet based, but I studied history while at college and the cold war was one of the main modules I had to write a paper for, but of course that was a couple of years back now so I used the internet only for the facts not to bore anyone, but of course I do understand what u meant by no feeling, and if im honest I would rather all our soldiers, my friends and my father who are over there were home safe and sound, but like my serving mates and my father who I have shown this thread too have all said, when u join the army you know your not joining the scouts, u will have to go to war and you may die, you don’t ask why your going to war or who is to blame for it, you go out there and you do your job and come home safe.
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Posted: 10/7/2005 7:27:55 AM | @fuzzygavino
i can see your point, and i do greatly believe that religion is a common reason that war starts.
i have watched kingdom of heaven, it's one of my favs. a thing that does rotate in my mind over and over is that if their was no religion, would their be much war, to the point would we need a savier. what i'm trying to say is, is religion stopping the world being united.
i don't mean to offened people i'm just being open minded.
but i suppose their is still greed in the world.
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Posted: 10/7/2005 8:35:32 AM | | @Colt5: Yeah i have to agree i have often wondered if there was no religion or just 1 religion how different the world would be, but then as u say there would still be greed, bottom line is mankind is hell bent of self destruction if not thro war, then pollution of the planet. | |
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Posted: 10/7/2005 9:42:43 AM |
"faked terrorist attacks"? I'm with colt5 on this - what planet are you on?
You sound very sure. So you don't find anything odd about these "attacks on democracy"? Tell me what you think happened to WTC building 7 then.
I'm pretty damn sure the relatives of those who died in these attacks would like to have a chat with you in a dark alley.
The relatives of those who died in these attacks would like a full inquiry into what actually occured. So far this hasn't happened. | |
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Posted: 10/7/2005 9:48:11 AM |
i'll give you a packet of blades if you like, so you can give life another go?
No thanks. You keep 'em to shave your head with. You're a raging normal. | |
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Posted: 10/7/2005 9:56:53 AM |
What do you mean by 'Faked Terrorist Attacks'?
Isn't it obvious what I mean?
Are you really suggesting that the British and US governments blew up tube stations and and crashed planes full of people into the twin towers and all the other incidents so that they could go to Iraq and get oil? If you are you should really stop and listen to your self!
No I'm suggesting that you've been lied to about these things. And I have proof. You have no proof whatsoever for your ridiculous 'Al Qaeda did it' conspiracy theory.
IMHO if the US and Britain wanted oil that bad, then we'd have just marched straight into Iraq and taken it!
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Posted: 10/7/2005 11:26:02 AM |
What do you mean by 'Faked Terrorist Attacks'?
Isn't it obvious what I mean?
Obviously not? I understand you making an accusation but I don't see no proof?
And I have proof. You have no proof
So where is it and how did you get it?
are you the operations oficer for the al qaeda or something? How can some random person(you) have proof an yet nobody else has seen or heard about it?
IMHO if the US and Britain wanted oil that bad, then we'd have just marched straight into Iraq and taken it!
Errrm isn't that exactly what we've done?
No, by that I meant we woudn't have tried to get the rest of the united nations to come on board, we'd have just gone straigt in and also we wudn't av bothered to try and re-stabalise Iraq and its government.
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Posted: 10/7/2005 11:30:34 AM | @ fuzzygavino-
Wez155, how long u been out there for buddy? And again hope your well and safe...
I'm at the end of a 7 month tour, I been in al amarah since april. 2 weeks to go!
Anyway I hope ive not offended anyone that was not my intention.
Don't worry yourself we're all grown men on here and sometimes people get offended by other people's oppinion's, but just so your aware I personally don't take any offence! 
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Posted: 10/7/2005 2:01:05 PM | | @ wez155: Oh god so u have been out there for pretty much most of the heavy shit then, I no what we hear on TV and what’s actually going on are 2 totally different things, I mean the stuff I hear from my dad and his mates who back in 91 were among 1 of the 1st units to roll into Kuwait, and the horrors they told me they saw from woman being gutted and hung in door ways to kids being hacked to bits and stuff turns my stomach, and of course I wasn’t aware that after 91 the RAF had carried on bombing Iraq, but this time round its gone a lot worse with door to door fighting and the suicide bombers, and so on, so dude I hope the next 7 weeks fly past with no problems and u get ur self back here safe and sound. | |
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Posted: 10/9/2005 12:12:29 PM | | I think mynitedream has answered the question brilliantly--I have now been through all the wars since World War 2 as a child --and I remain as convinced now as I began to realize then --all war at base is greed--and it's human nature, and you are never going to stop it . It will take another form,another sort of gun --or uniform--and all the talk in the world will not change it a jot sadly--btu if pulling out the troops will stop some of the bloodshed--what of the Iraqui women and children caught up in this?? then,surely, getting the lads home should be a priority. | |
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Posted: 10/10/2005 3:27:50 AM |
So where is it and how did you get it?
are you the operations oficer for the al qaeda or something? How can some random person(you) have proof an yet nobody else has seen or heard about it?
If nobody else has seen or heard about it, it's because they haven't bothered to look :)
Where is it? here is just one of many places (if this forum will let me post URLs):
http://www.rense.com/general47/pulled.htm
Where did I get it? Straight from the Horse's mouth. The horse in this case being Larry Silverstein, landlord of the WTC. Ask yourself how long it takes a building like that to be wired for controlled demolition. | |
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Posted: 10/10/2005 9:48:35 AM | @shrodcatuk,
What drugs exactly are you taking? Do you seriously think people are going take any notice of the crap you're trying to tell us?
So, in the strange little world where you seem to be living, the World Trade Centre was in fact blown up by controlled explosions and not by the four planes that everyone saw crash into the towers.
And you got all this from a horse called larry, who's the landlord of some pub or other.
You need locking up. | |
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