| Iraq- should we or Shouldn't we?
Posted: 12/29/2005 10:42:26 PM | In my humble opinion ... if America pulls out .. Iraq will fall into a 3 way civil war in 6 months
That's what the justifying propaganda tells us.
However, Iraq is already at war or hadn't you noticed? And the occupying forces have more powerful weapons and technology and there are many thousand of them. Whether people get killed because the troops are there or they get killed through civil war which is already in effect, they get killed.
The troops being there is not helping but rather it's a reason for much resentment and unless they leave, the war will go on and on. There are plans to leave (or so we are told), so why wait when the military presence is making things worse? It's not getting better in Iraq and the people themseves say that it's much worse than under Saddam and that should be obvious if we can think at all. So don't believe propaganda that says otherwise, I know because I know people who have been there and I know because I personally know some Iraqi people. Iraq needs help but not by occupying forces and not by trigger-happy or scared soldiers who have been known to shoot at anything that moves. | |
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| Iraq- should we or Shouldn't we?
Posted: 12/29/2005 10:52:14 PM | The truth is we prop up dictators when it suits them and attack them when it doesn't
Not quite true, the truth is that our governments prop up dictators when it suits them and then they attack the dictator's people when it doesn't! | |
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| Iraq- should we or Shouldn't we?
Posted: 12/29/2005 11:04:29 PM | Saddam gets a trial - did the people of Iraq get a trial for being oppressed by Saddam?  Strange logic I would say. | |
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kel14
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Joined: 2/20/2006
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| Iraq- should we or Shouldn't we? [OPEN again]
Posted: 3/6/2006 2:48:38 AM | think the brit boys and girls should come home!!
have a friend there and quite concerned!!
tony blair needs take responcibility for his own actions instead of passing the buck!!! | |
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SuGar0
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Joined: 1/15/2006
Msg: 154 | |
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| Iraq- should we or Shouldn't we? [OPEN again]
Posted: 3/8/2006 4:32:55 AM | | they should withdraw us and uk troops and replace them with un troop from majority muslim countries like pakistan,ect...at least it would serve as an olive branch to the masses. | |
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jace02
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Joined: 1/13/2006
Msg: 161 | |
| Iraq- should we or Shouldn't we?
Posted: 3/12/2006 12:31:36 PM | | the whole thing was about oil. same as afganistan when the russians were there and the usa trained and suplied the afgans,just so they could have a pipe line | |
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| Iraq- should we or Shouldn't we?
Posted: 3/12/2006 1:28:23 PM | Guess we all realise now that we shouln't have invaded this country, although GWB needed to avenge his Dad so maybe we just followed.
Now we are in, and have reduced a once prosperous country to it's knees and the brink of civil war, surely our national conscience won't let us withdraw.
We must defend those we've exposed to terrible danger, or welcome them to the melting pot that is modern Britain. | |
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| Iraq- should we or Shouldn't we?
Posted: 3/13/2006 6:29:10 PM | | work out who gets the money for every button ,bullett, sock ,pen, everything all paid at top prices ,the military is one thing that has never changed its not political therefore generations and generations of familys have lived earning from military hardware for years wake up everyone do some research who are the people that get the money for all the goods bought and youll find there the same people that are in banking insurance all related check it out for yourself infowars.com america has just sold all of its ports to an arab firm so much is going on right now check it out prisonplanet.tv.com | |
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| Iraq- should we or Shouldn't we?
Posted: 4/4/2006 4:44:54 AM | The US and Britain will retain troops and bases in Iraq, or whatever countries it splits into after the current anarchy/civil war, for the rest of our lifetimes or until the oil runs out. The large multinational oil companies now in charge of extracting Iraq's oil wealth will need protection until that day, and there will never be any guarantee of such protection from the Iraqis themselves.
You should order this book>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is factual, and disturbing.
by Dr. Helen Caldicott, The New Nuclear Danger - George W Bush's Military-Industrial Complex
ISBN 1-56584-740-7
It exposes in detail the corporate 'death merchants', why the US needs to be on a permanent war footing for the sake of its economy, the proliferation of uranium weapons, the nuclear wars that were waged in Gulf War I and in Kosovo, and most tellingly, the links between senior US Government individuals and their massive 'defence' contractors.
She is a medical doctor, an exposer of the truth that the media ignores*, and renowned peace campaigner. She is the founder of Physicians for Social Responsibility, and a nominee for the Nobel Peace Prize.
In her book she starts by describing the medical consequences to human beings of 'legal' weapons such as Cluster bombs (5 to 30% of which fail to explode and act as mines),
Bunker busters, and FAEs (fuel air explosives) or "Daisy Cutters" (ahh bless such a sweet name) which detonate just above the ground and kill by incineration at 2500+ degrees C in the first zone, massive internal organ injuries and severe burns pre-death in zone two, and ruptured lungs, eardrums, popped eyes, and severe concussion in zone three. 20 miles away you can still receive all this blast trauma. It kills human beings and doesnt differentiate between serviceman and civilians. It has the effect of a tactical nuclear weapon without the radiation, so technically it doesnt fit the legal description of a 'weapon of mass destruction'. Oh, that's allright then.
She describes what proportion of the US tax dollar is spent with defence contractors and itemises the various $ billions spent with each corporation and which weapons they manufacture.
It is an absolute eye-opener.
*Was it Sir Winston Churchill who said "Most people who stumble into the truth, dust themselves down and walk on as if nothing has happened" ? | |
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| Iraq- should we or Shouldn't we?
Posted: 4/4/2006 5:46:46 AM | With the former soviet union selling off military assets, how long before dictators like Sadam get hold of nuclear weapons? (You can even buy a soviet T-72 near modern battle tank on the internet)
In the eye's of middle eastern lunatics, who believe in the after life and of sitting at the right hand of Allah with 20 virgin girls to deflower, how long before there's a nuke on its way to every major city in the world, with "because Allah wills it" scrawled along the side of its tactical warhead?
The same little saying that i can imagine the 9/11 terrorists shouting out just 5 seconds from the world trade centre.
People who don't value their own lives should NEVER be allowed to point a weapon at people who do.
Lessons were learn't during WWI and WW2. Nip it in the bud early, save live's in the long run. | |
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| Iraq- should we or Shouldn't we?
Posted: 5/22/2006 9:27:29 AM | Saddam hid in a hole when we went into Iraq. He didnt go out in a blaze of glory like the end of Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. So I surmise he valued his own life.
And it turned out that Saddam wasn't pointing any weapons at any other country. There were no WMD, and the conventional weapons were all stockpiled. Sadly due to a number of factors, including poor intel, the lack of an Allied Forces plan to secure those weapons, the legal incapacity to shoot looters, and inadequate numbers of troops deployed to those arms depots, it's those CONVENTIONAL weapons that are now in the hands of extremists in Iraq.
On your logic you'd have us invading countries because they might have enough money to buy something regardless of any evidence as to whether they had bought it, just because we don't like the way that country is run. (Just like the Iraq invasion in fact.)
In fact, how do we know you, strider, haven't bought off the internet that tank you're describing? You seem to know alot about such weapons. Did you stumble across these on Ebay? You also seem to know alot about lunatic beliefs, and 9/11. So do we assess all this "evidence", construct a dodgy dossier on you, and knock on your door and "nip it in the bud" before you invade Poland? | |
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arri
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Joined: 10/5/2005
Msg: 168 | |
| Iraq- should we or Shouldn't we?
Posted: 5/22/2006 10:38:20 AM | Iraq was never invaded because of WMDs.  Contrary to popular belief, Neither CIA nor the Military Intelligence is that incompetent to present such a threat coming from a paper dictator to commit billions and lives to it.
Iraq was invaded to provide the US military a place in the middle east to establish permanent military presence in order to keep an eye on the Saudi internal problems (hint .. that's where Al Qaeda and Taliban get their man power and financing)
Lets face it, US military got kicked out of Saudi Arabia, can't rely on the little emirates, is limited in use of force under agreement with Turkey, Afghanistan is too far and career battle groups are neither well protected enough nor can muster enough fire power to stage a major attack. Iraq was already beaten bad, under economic sanctions and no fly zones for 12 years and was being led by a "true military genius"
I remember the pre-war estimates. 5 Billion for the war, 1.5 billion to rebuild Iraq and people greeting the American soldiers with flowers on the streets. | |
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| Iraq- should we or Shouldn't we?
Posted: 3/17/2008 10:39:29 AM | We're coming up to the 5th anniversary of the invasion of Iraq and as far as I can see we've achieved nothing. People are still dying by the hundreds every day in Iraq and Afghanistan and I think it really is time to be questioning what the hell we're doing there.
Why are you and I, the British taxpayer spending £9million per day to fight wars that were instigated by lies?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/diplomats-suppressed-document-lays-bare-the-lies-behind-iraq-war-428545.html
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=v0wbpKCdkkQ&feature=related
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2003/nov/11/afghanistan.iraq
Please do take the time to read/watch these links and investigate further. | |
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