| What is The purpose of our existance?
Posted: 4/4/2008 4:33:07 PM |
What is the purpose of existence?
To exist
Not much different than the purpose of life.
To live
Why complicate something so simple?
Because to keep it as uncomplicated as that is quite boring. What about "If I am to do any good, let me do it now, for I shall not pass this way again?" What about loving one another and teaching others? What about enjoying a sunset or raging water? The scenario above makes life/existence look about as much fun as the life of a blade of grass. (Which serves its' own purpose by the way, but doesn't seem much fun to us). | |
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| What is The purpose of our existance?
Posted: 4/5/2008 10:39:25 PM | SimmahDahnNah , while you seem to feel that an uncomplicated life offers much boredom. Some find it easier to stop, in any given moment, and smell those roses. With fewer complications one might have more availability, without agenda. This frees one's mind and body to both unconditionally love others as well as enjoy the mutual learning experience that often accompanies "teaching others". The uncomplicated can enjoy these things you've expressed, perhaps even more readily, because they have more freedom to exist outside their own complications. Much can be absorbed and readily shared, in the moment, with a less complicated life.
Why create complications when there is so much existence to experience? | |
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| What is The purpose of our existance?
Posted: 4/5/2008 11:30:49 PM | The simplest way to say it is ...I believe the purpose of our existence is to Love and be Loved. Not superficially but Love in the truest sense of the word.
My question is ...since we know this when we are born why do we then spend a life time in training to stop loving and become fear based, selfish, egotistical beings.... | |
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| What is The purpose of our existance?
Posted: 4/5/2008 11:33:18 PM | To progressively shift from a consciousness of separation to a consciousness of oneness.
Bull... show that we even have a "collective conscious", and then you have to show that said "collective conscious" is in a state of separation (whatever that means...) and how it can be transformed into a "consciousness of oneness", sounds like sh*t robert plant fed to a groupie just to get f*cked.... . Explain how the "collective conscious" was not aware of the suffering of 6+ million people in the holocaust?? | |
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| What is The purpose of our existance?
Posted: 4/6/2008 5:14:07 AM |
show that we even have a "collective conscious", and then you have to show that said "collective conscious" is in a state of separation (whatever that means...)
we don't share a collective conscious, rather a collective unconscious. this explains the sharing of dream imagery and mythologies amongst people who never physically contacted each other. | |
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| What is The purpose of our existance?
Posted: 4/6/2008 8:46:27 AM | I probably agree. People who say that the purpose of life is to "live the moment" is rather superficial since it doesn't explain the purpose for existing at all! Scinetists will often say that our purpose is to grow old, and have kids to make more gentic babies but this too misses the point: why are we conciuos of our own existance.....im sure nature could find a better way of doing this without us being conciously aware!
And so if we are concious what are we conciuos for? Clearly it suggests a spiritual reason to do with love, merging of conciuosness, god etc......
Also those that "live the moment" could potentially face two shocks:
1. You're moe likely to die because you'll take more risks and, more importantly
2. If there is life after death, and you get judged negativly how will you cope then?
You wouldnt do a crime "just too live the moment" on the assumption youd not get caught (well ok some poeple do!) so the same principle applies if your judged after life
Whats this got to do with living the moment? because frankly left to our own devices, we'd all be living accoriding to our animal insticints: rape, murder, stealing, fighting, hate etc......... so we would (by default) become criminals who think naively that we'll get away with it cos there'll be no-one after death to judge our actions......so the idea that we can "live the moment" AND be caring is well......plain wrong in my view! | |
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| What is The purpose of our existance?
Posted: 4/6/2008 10:00:12 AM | Our purpose could be to give meaning to something that would otherwise go unnoticed... Our purpose could be just to add another perspective to the big picture... Our purpose could just be to explore this place and report back to a collective... Our purpose could very well be just to give purpose or our purpose could be non existant and made by us in order to give meaning to the meaningless.
so the idea that we can "live the moment" AND be caring is well......plain wrong in my view!
Wow... To feel at one with all around you and to care for it all as if it were you sounds wrong in your view? To me, it sounds like you need a change in environment... The "moment" is all we really have! Can we not share it without tearing each other to pieces? Of course we can.
We have no choice but to live in the moment anyways, since that's all there will ever be. | |
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| What is The purpose of our existance?
Posted: 4/6/2008 10:09:35 AM | Maybe our purpose is to live in the moment but also give thanks for all that we are given. There is a big difference between living in the moment and being self serving and disregarding everything and everyone else in our lives, and living in the moment and being mindful and grateful for the meal you have before you, the sunshine on your face, the people in your life.
I don't think that every person on earth has it in them to be rapists, murderers and thieves, but I think the people that do those things are not very mindful of how they came to be and how the people they are stealing from came to have what they are taking....not sure if this is making any sense, but living in the moment is only bad for those who treat life badly. | |
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| What is The purpose of our existance?
Posted: 4/6/2008 10:15:50 AM | I don't think that every person on earth has it in them to be rapists, murderers and thieves, but I think the people that do those things are not very mindful of how they came to be and how the people they are stealing from came to have what they are taking....not sure if this is making any sense, but living in the moment is only bad for those who treat life badly.
It makes perfect sense... But the power of compassion has to be seen to be believed it seems... Some monsters, yeah... It could be too late to turn their lights on, but if they are gotten early on and are shown what compassion feels like, they could see it's a good power to feed into... I just said this in another thread but you only get out of life what you take in and if you've never been shown compassion, it's hard to see the benefits... I don't know... Maybe it's me who isn't making sense.
But I'm going to have fun and try to help others when I can... Purpose, schmurpose. | |
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| What is The purpose of our existance?
Posted: 4/6/2008 10:52:10 AM | No, you make perfect sense to me. I do think there are those beyond help, extreme cases like Jeffrey Dahmer etc, who really I think have a chemical imbalance, but I think for the most part you're right. If we're taught to care about others and ourselves, how can the rest not fall into place?
But I'm going to have fun and try to help others when I can... Purpose, schmurpose.
Sounds like a good purpose to me. :) | |
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| What is The purpose of our existance?
Posted: 4/6/2008 2:03:34 PM | Love is the substance of Life eternal, and the purpose of all human life is to inherit Light, Love, and Life from Aeon to Aeon or age to ages in a House of Many Mansions. And God so Loves the Aeon (world) that he gave his Son so that all of the Faith in the Living Mind (Word) of the Eternal Light, have the power to become pluralistic sons and daughters of the Living Creator Father -YHWH.
However in this dimension, mankind is caught within his/her own duality to the point where soul evolution or consciousness evolution into higher star universes has been neutralized by a fallen mind. This is so humanity is kept oblivious to the Divine Word 'within' as in the Kingdom of Heaven is within you, which Living Word 'renews, rebirths and restores and redeems' all creation continually. In other words, we are here to heal first and foremost.
This means on the oneness level, all humanity hve the Letters, Lights, Powers and Lives already working within them, as an extension of the mind-face of the Divine Higher Evolution or Divine Higher Intelligence.
Here it is necessary to 'go beyond' or 'seek the Life beyond' (as in 'go beyond' linear time as well as static space), where one must go within, otherwise humanity remains in the consciousness of space isolation and/or servants to linear and one-dimensional time-waves, believing our sun system of intelligence is 'the be all and end all' of Life in the universes. The oblivion to other consciousness heavens, cosmoses, universes and worlds in the plural was known to the ancients as 'staring at your navel' and asking why do I exist? Acknowledging our 'zero-point' evolution (where life began on a spiral or umbilical chord) means instead to be, become and be in-between being and becoming - throughout the ebb and flow of chaos as an energy channel of star Knowledge where humanity operates through Mind-body as an instantaneous effulgence of higher star- Light and star-Life.
The promise of Resurrection into 'new worlds' and 'new earth' systems of star intelligence is given to all humanity - if theKingdom of Light (i.e., stars, stardust) is your origin, it is also your destiny because (within - metanoia) the Spirit of the whole of humanity is already Living on the higher planes - working with Image and Similitudes of the Divine Family of Light.
Here Spiritual Scientific knowledge is capable operating beyond the weak death spirals of hatred, atomic decay, where by retrogressive evolutionary defects of the biological mechanism and gravity trapped light (atomic-molecular) material are made alive in another electromagnetic dimension.
This is accomplished through the re-application or re-transmission of a higher memory program from the Spirit to the earth regenerated Soul evolution, whereby the Soul, Spirit and Body can be 'wholistically' or 'holo-listically be given the necessary autonomy (reason - the power to THINK with Gnosis) to maintain creative balance while functioning in the pluralistic universes and many worlds and many electromagnetic spectrums of the Living Light. | |
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| What is The purpose of our existance?
Posted: 4/6/2008 3:40:59 PM | Re the Opost
IMO, it is like when a teacher asks his/her class to write an essay, but the topic "open", ie to be chosen individually by each student. And some students waste most of the time trying to figure out when the teacher meant, or implied or really wanted the topic to be. Instead of choosing a topic they like and writing about it, enjoying the thinking and the action (the writing of it).
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| What is The purpose of our existance?
Posted: 4/8/2008 2:48:56 PM | Sorry stonestongue i didnt actually meant it like that obviuosly we all "live the moment" as we can only be aware of one time (the present). When i referred to "live the moment" i was actually referring to the idea that life is just for living. Obviously life is for living hence why we are conciuos but thats different to being alive for just one lifetime for no apparent reason at all other then to have temporary concious awarness. This is the "living the moment" that i was referring to.
Where i said you couldnt have this, and great moral behaviour and love is because there would be no reason to love anyone or behave morally because there would be no consequences. We all have "animal instincts" which cause us to do evil things but luckily most of us control them and become caring becasue we are trained (often by relgion) to behave as such and religion always believes in an after life and a life purpose which is usually caracterised as spritual growth, and becoming one with god and this contradicts our natural instincts which push us to behave selfishly. Our lives are a battle ground between these two forces.
But, if you take out faith, the after life and god your left with no reason to behave goodly and so you revert to your natural insticts which point you against harmony and towards simply survival of your genes (simple bioloigy lesson) so thats actually what i meant....... sorry if i was confusing you. | |
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| What is The purpose of our existance?
Posted: 4/8/2008 8:32:59 PM | | Our purpose in the world could be similar to a bird's purpose. To sing out our individual song for a while before we disappear forever. This behaviour is no doubt intertwined with a deeper purpose of ensuring the transmission of genes to future generations. Make's me wish I could sing really.. | |
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| What is The purpose of our existance?
Posted: 4/8/2008 8:40:39 PM | The purpose of existance?
To do what you want, where you want, with the one you want.
and be happy.
yeah. it's SIMPLE.
But we human beings, have decided to complicate every single little thing. and mess it all up!
it's time to go back to the basics. Do what you want and be happy! | |
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| What is The purpose of our existance?
Posted: 4/8/2008 9:35:14 PM | ..... I think I have a new purpose to my existance......
And that's to keep Clarence Clutterbuck from getting anything shiny, sharp or shootable into his wee hands.
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| What is The purpose of our existance?
Posted: 4/8/2008 10:10:54 PM | OP
Seems like a delima ^^^^that is so Simple "Really
We are here for the purpose of Enjoying what Beautiful Gifts are before us
Like Earth "Mother Nature "' The Forest and all the life that exists there ''
The Mountains "'The Rivers "Streams 'Lakes ' Oceans "'Flowers & Plants "'Harvest
Seasons of the year . There is soooo much Beauty in the World "'It is simply Amazing
We just have to Really look at what Gifts we have been given to be a part of ...
Ya Know all the Beauty that surrounds us and the World '''' Maybe our Purpose is to live the best possible life
we can be as a person ''Even if they only live by the 10 Commandments '' That would produce some Good Fruit ''Would you not agree "'
Or Maybe our purpose ''is to teach someone something ''or speak something they needed to hear ''or to help someone in need or that is lonely just by
being there or listening .......... Maybe our purpose is not one purpose but a Journey
of different purposes along the way ''Like they say its not the destination its the Journey that is most Important "'Live life in the Moment "'Be all that we can be
Laugh ""Love ""Love "'Love "'Even in the Tough Times .... Everything we do WE are to Strive to do it in JOY "From the Heart ^^^^^Practice makes Perfect "" Believe """Believe """"Everything is as it should be at this Moment
So long as WE are living and doing what is Right and Good ................'OP
you have thought the Question "'So you know you are wanting Change "'Sometimes WE must come to the Realization That the Change we are seeking "'Comes from Within Without ""Matters of the Heart ... Ask ? Or Pray for Restoration of Body ' Mind & Soul .
This is not to say that Maybe there is not a
much bigger purpose for you "'Sometimes the preparation or test of time & perseverance is given to some people "'Cause if they can do good with the small things then what could they do with the Big Ones ""? Umm ??
There is no Guarantee we will be given (what we feel is a}
Big piece of the pie or Sky ''But we must give Goodness in the Life as best and with all we have each moment we are here "'And Believe that there is a Big Reward & or Purpose for our
Efforts in LOVE '' Change '''Goodness & Hard work ............
Maybe My purpose in Life is but for my preparation for My death & My Ressurerection "To Paradise
The Pie in the Sky "'And if it is ??? So be it ............................
God Bless You thru your Journeys & Journey of Life & LOVE ............ 
Ancient muse
God Bless Ya "' That was a Great Post ! | |
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| What is The purpose of our existance?
Posted: 4/8/2008 10:38:01 PM |
Sorry stonestongue i didnt actually meant it like that obviuosly we all "live the moment" as we can only be aware of one time (the present). When i referred to "live the moment" i was actually referring to the idea that life is just for living. Obviously life is for living hence why we are conciuos but thats different to being alive for just one lifetime for no apparent reason at all other then to have temporary concious awarness. This is the "living the moment" that i was referring to.
I'd like to say that clears it up... I'm trying to dig what you're saying but not sure if I'm getting it right... To you "living in the moment" is just doing what you feel like, regardless of the way it affects others? If that's what you mean, then I agree... If you don't care about others, you'd likely live an unethical life whether you're "in the moment" or not.
Where i said you couldnt have this, and great moral behaviour and love is because there would be no reason to love anyone or behave morally because there would be no consequences.
There would always be consequences... Can you not see pain in anothers eyes? Can you see joy? The effects of what we do happen whether we take them into account before we act or not... I fail to see how living in the moment entails doing whatever you please whether it hurts someone else or not... Why would we want to hurt others just because we aren't dreaming about the future and brooding about the past?
We all have "animal instincts" which cause us to do evil things but luckily most of us control them and become caring becasue we are trained (often by relgion) to behave as such and religion always believes in an after life and a life purpose which is usually caracterised as spritual growth, and becoming one with god and this contradicts our natural instincts which push us to behave selfishly.
Animal instincts cause us to do evil things? I don't buy it... Hate is a learned thing... Instincts are more for survival... Sometimes religion can make someone a more caring individual and sometimes it's a mask they put on to invite trust.
I'm sorry, but becoming one with God couldn't possibly contradict nature and it's often religion itself which pits us against each other which to me is the opposite of becoming one with God.
Our lives are a battle ground between these two forces.
What two forces? Natural instincts and spiritual growth? The two go hand in hand... I fail to see how our instincts could be seen as evil... I don't buy that whole "born into sin" stuff or "the only way" stuff... My life is definitely not a battleground, lol!
But, if you take out faith, the after life and god your left with no reason to behave goodly and so you revert to your natural insticts which point you against harmony and towards simply survival of your genes (simple bioloigy lesson) so thats actually what i meant.
People don't need a promise of reward to be kind, they don't need to believe in God to be kind and they certainly don't need to go against their natural instincts to be kind! My natural instincts do not go against harmony and you need to brush up on your biology as natural instincts also include the automatic response when you save someones life... That is in tune with the harmony.
sorry if i was confusing you.
Unfortunately, it doesn't look that way... Any way I look at it, caring about others is more important than any perspective on God. | |
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| What is The purpose of our existance?
Posted: 4/9/2008 7:48:30 AM |
But what if you want to pick up a semi automatic rifle, go out and clean the streets?
You wouldn't do that if you were happy. that's the whole point. | |
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| What is The purpose of our existance?
Posted: 4/9/2008 8:17:09 AM |
But what if you want to pick up a semi automatic rifle, go out and clean the streets?
Then that would be in violation of others trying to be happy... There's more than one person in this world. | |
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