| Circumcision...To cut or not to cut?
Posted: 12/6/2006 12:24:44 AM | I was not circumcised as a baby, and now wish I had been. When I was nine yrs. old, I picked up a vicious infection as a result of a fall through the ice into a drainage ditch. I had to have it done then, and still remember the pain. It's not a matter of keeping clean, accidents can happen. My son was cut before he came home from the hospital, and has no memory of it.
Have it done when they're born, people. You're doing your sons a favour. | |
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| Circumcision...To cut or not to cut?
Posted: 12/6/2006 11:05:38 AM | both of my son's are not cut.
This guy i know, who i use to work with,(his mom told me this), He had to get his cut when he was 6. He was out side, and he needed to use the bathroom, but he decide to pee out side. Now I should tell you, this was in winter, So he peed outside hiding behind a metal post and he got stuck on it......OUCH...........And that's how he had to get it cut....
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| Circumcision...To cut or not to cut?
Posted: 12/7/2006 7:00:40 AM | Ther is nothing difficult about cleaning a diaper of an uncircumcised baby. Vaginas can also get messy in diapers and they aren't being cut off to prevent it. Suprise, Suprise! there is no special cleaning method for an uncircumcised penis on an infant and any doctor that says otherwise is misinformed. There may be medical reasons for circumcision in some rare cases, but you can't really think that it is natural to remove a piece of a boys anatomy when he is born. Ther is nothing gross about an uncircumcised penis. I find it gross to imagine an open wound from a recent circumcision sitting in a soiled diaper. Ouch! Can you imagine if this method was practiced on girls! Hygeine as a reason is a myth! Baby girls get yeast infections and doctors don't recommend remving there labia.
check out... www.noharm.org/IDcirc.htm and www.doctorsopposingcircumcision.org/
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| Circumcision...To cut or not to cut?
Posted: 12/7/2006 8:06:27 AM | that is verry well said^^^^
I have 2 boys and they are uncircumcised. Never have i had trouble cleaning them after they had a dirty diaper. | |
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| Circumcision...To cut or not to cut?
Posted: 12/7/2006 2:03:00 PM | Last time I checked, vagina's weren't formed like uncut penis'.
I have two boys...and two girls. There is NO comparison in how much more difficult it is changing my girls poopy diapers than my boys. You disagree, cool. But I know my own experience. Having trouble isn't what I'm saying. I'm talking ease. I'm glad I got my son's done. And if I have another boy at any point, he'll be getting snipped too. Birth itself is painful for a newborn, but they survive it just fine.
Its amazing how personal this particular discussion gets. Its all for personal reasons, and you can't dog someone for that. Their child, their choice. | |
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| Circumcision...To cut or not to cut?
Posted: 12/7/2006 2:22:43 PM | i didnt say it was harder to clean dirty diapers from girls could be more difficult and neither did the one above me.
Ther is nothing difficult about cleaning a diaper of an uncircumcised baby. Vaginas can also get messy in diapers and they aren't being cut off to prevent it.
All it ment to say was that, A parent should not get there baby boys cut just because it can be difficult to clean. It SHOULD NOT be the reason, that's all.
And that baby girls can have dirty diaper too and that It's the same as making sure we clean them well. to make shure that they dont get poop in there vaginas.
Boy or girl, there is no diffrence in changing diapers, Just to wash there little bum verry good thats all!!!
sorry if i didn't say it clear, but i hope you understand what i mean.:o) | |
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| Circumcision...To cut or not to cut?
Posted: 12/7/2006 5:30:10 PM | Its not about effort. Its about missing something and your child ending up with an infection.
The "hard to clean" thing makes it seem like we're just being lazy about it. I'm not perfect, and on a night when I've gone 3 or 4 days with no sleep, who knows? I wanted to give my boys the best chance at health in all areas. And since no one can give a definitive answer (regardless of the many things for and against that we've all read), my doctor's vote was the determining factor. Period. | |
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| Circumcision...To cut or not to cut?
Posted: 12/7/2006 7:16:38 PM | | im going through that debate right now....i had a talk with my obgyn on tuesday about it....she said that in my area its about 50/50 of whos doing it and whos not.....my friend didnt have her son cut and has had no problems but i have heard of lil bois having problems when their older....now my unborn sons father isnt in the picture right now....but he is cut and jus incase his father decides to turn his life around and b in his sons life im going to get my son circumcised, im just scared of the pain factor and how hes going to deal with it jus hrs/days after hes born :S | |
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| Circumcision...To cut or not to cut?
Posted: 12/7/2006 9:24:46 PM | i'm very much anti-circumcision. you're cutting off a very sensitive chunk of skin which will have a detrimental effect on your sons sex life and it's being done without his consent.
here are a few articles on circumcision for those who are interested....
http://www.cirp.org/news/Mothering1997/
http://www.noharm.org
http://www.cirp.org/library/procedure/plastibell/ (graphic site...not for the faint of heart.)
http://www.mothersagainstcirc.org/index.html | |
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Posted: 12/8/2006 5:26:14 AM | This is so redundant.
Its personal choice. You're his MOTHER. You'll be making a lot of decisions for him "without his permission". Hence, the reason why only adults should have babies.
Its all opinion and you'll do what you feel to be best for your child. No one can argue that we don't all love our boys and did/doing what we feel to be best for them. To try to prove someone right or wrong, especially after the fact, is just dumb. | |
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| Circumcision...To cut or not to cut?
Posted: 12/8/2006 9:32:25 AM | | In my own personal opinion I think they should be!! Its easier for them to keep clean! And not oly that it looks nicer! No disrespect to any who it not! I say go for it!! | |
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Posted: 12/9/2006 4:47:10 PM | Lots of things in this post are redundent, but the truth is the cleanliness factor, or hygeine being a problem is a myth. There isn't any special attention required to an uncircumcised penis. Yes, you can all as women/mothers choose to cut or not to cut, but atleast question your reasons for it. Cleanliness is a lame reason. The truth is alot of women are accustomed to seeing or having 'been' with only circumcised males and therfore there preference is to have there boy look the same. And then, like alot of things, all of these myths form as exscuses for the procedure. And as for locker rooms...you would be suprised to know the next generation that we are raising is split on the issue. So some will have foreskin and some will not. I do feel very strongly about the subject, and not because i think it is bad to circumcise or that moms who choose this are bad. I do not believe either of these things. But, I do think alot of people make the decision without all of the facts. And, if they could read some of the information and talk to some of the medical profession that research this and deal with it they would have a more informed choice. When I was growing up I heard things like, 'it is unhealthy and dirty skin and that is why they have to take it off" or " do it now, because boys who don't have it done will have to have it done when they are older and it will be worse" and even "well, it needs to look like his fathers". It isn't unhealthy. It won't be automatically required surgery when he is older. And when did matching genitals ever help anybodies relationship? One of the reasons less people are doing it is because more people are educating thereselves on why it is done. Even a large portion of the medical profession is refusing infant circumcision. It is a great topic because it involves everyone. Mothers, fathers, husbands, wives, sons, daughters....Do you know that they used to automatically remove childrens tonsils by grade school, since tonsils are a source of repeat infections. And, we don't do that anymore because it is unecessary. It does prevent tonsil infections, but the plus side doesn't outweigh the downside and the risk. Studies were done. Years passed and the medical profession refused to continue the intervention. I think we will see the same trend happening concerning circumcision.  | |
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| Circumcision...To cut or not to cut?
Posted: 12/9/2006 5:44:43 PM | How is it that virtually every male that has weighed in on this is pro, yet we women seem to feel that we know better? I'm literally just picking men that I know and asking them...they are all PRO circumcision.
You DON'T know. None of us do. All we can do is what we feel is best for our sons. Period. | |
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| Circumcision...To cut or not to cut?
Posted: 12/10/2006 3:17:51 PM | Actually, in reply, this is not the only thread discussing circumcision. And not all men are agreed upon this subject either, which is why people probably discuss it. And as I have said before...yes, every mom does what they think is best and good for their children. It is a good topic to read up on, and alot of the other threads include books as well as alot of the web sites people have posted on here. I think it is great to have a chance for advice and topics discussed between moms...and if you could mention any literature or resources that I could look into, I would be happy to check it out. I like to learn as much as I can about a subject before 'weighing' in, and this happens to be something I have alot of information on. I do get worried when people say things like 'it is unhygeinic' or 'that it is alot of work to take care of'. Alot of people have been told this and it simply isn't true. It is not a necessary surgery, it is cosmetic. And, I am not willing to think it is fair to make that decision for a newborn boy.  | |
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Posted: 12/10/2006 3:26:06 PM | | I had my son circumsied. I am a single mother and got him done because it will be easier for me to teach him how to clean himself...I never was taught how to clean an uncut penis. And from years of listening Sex with Sue....it sounds difficult for guys out there, I wanted to make it easier for bith him and I | |
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| Circumcision...To cut or not to cut?
Posted: 12/10/2006 3:33:13 PM | | Sweetie, my son cried a bit, the penis is frozen they use a local freezing. He never cried afterwards either...well until he was hungry. Your cut off for getting it done too your son is 2 weeks, or 12 pounds which ever comes first! Don't worry though, they aren't in that much pain....and don't remember! | |
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| Circumcision...To cut or not to cut?
Posted: 12/10/2006 3:56:28 PM | | my boys are uncut. i didn't have the money to get it done and even if i did i would have spent it on something more important. i think its a personal choice. whatever you feel is best. | |
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Posted: 12/10/2006 6:12:02 PM | I have read alot of things in this thread...............
Plain and simple, I have been with both circumsized and uncircumsized men.. and excuse me for saying this but the sex with the uncircumsized man was much better..  ....... So obviously the reason that I got my son circumsized was not because of that.. I dunno its been proven that hygene is not an issue.. but I PERSONALLY leaned towards circumsizing him.. Its all a preference... I truely believe that you should have them down within the first few weeks of birth so its easier because I know a few people who had it down in their later years and its much more painful......... jus like your tonsils.. when you get them out when your younger it doesnt effect you as much if you get them out when you are older.. My mom had hers out when she was in her thirtys and she was sooo sick from it.. but thats kinda not the same I guess LOL.. Anyways I truely believe that if there was such a problem to getting it down they wouldnt offer it and wouldnt you rather it be done so you dont run into any unneccessary problems in the future that you could have prevented right from the beginning..
and as for what somebody else said.. there is no deadline.. IF you wait passed like the first month of birth then you have to pay more.. but like I said.. I THINK that its better to have it done right from the start.. but thats just my opinion..
As for crying.. They told me he barely wimpered.. and yes I have heard many guys who are thankful that they were circumsized as well..
All in all its a personal preference.. like alot of things in life.. some people like one doctor some people dont... all on experiences and hear say..  | |
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Posted: 12/11/2006 7:24:04 AM | When I become a doctor, then I'll argue with one. My kids were in the Neonatal ICU at the time and when approached by their lead physician on the subject AND strongly encouraged to do so..all the reading and debates went right through the window. I spent my time while pregnant doing a lot of research on a lot of things.
I've heard DOCTORS say that the cleanliness issue is not a myth. Some disagree. Personally, I don't think anyone knows, but I chose to err on the safe side.
I doubt my boys will hate me for it. | |
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Posted: 12/11/2006 9:10:36 AM | WHAT A DIFFICULT DECISION IT WAS FOR ME ALSO!
My brother made the choice to cut in his early teens ... ouch!
Ultimately I let my sons father, my husband at the time make the decision. He chose circumcision.
I burst into tears when I heard my son scream and cry in another room shortly after birth, No doubt in my mind what had just happened. He is 20 now but I remember it as if it happened a day ago.
Non the less, he has no scars that I'm aware of, emotionally that is, from having been cut.
And to this day I stand by my decision to let his father chose, It is I believe a mans issue.
Not to mention for once it left me off the hook! | |
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| Circumcision...To cut or not to cut?
Posted: 12/31/2006 10:09:15 AM | salamanderr on 12/9/2006 7 10 PM:
...the truth is the cleanliness factor, or hygeine being a problem is a myth. There isn't any special attention required to an uncircumcised penis. Well, this is YOUR truth...
My poor old dad had to have his done in his seventies due to an infection.
My ex-father-in-law had his done in the Army during WWII. Really, now, do you think the military in wartime would go to the expense and trouble to circumcize those men for cosmetic reasons? Duh.
When I read a very recent article about the circumcision medical study on HIV transmission in Africa it just reinforced for me that it is an excellent thing to have done. They actually stopped the second study to offer all the participants circumcision because the medical evidence was overwhelmingly in support of health benefit - 50-60% less infection with HIV in circumcised men.
This got my curiosity up so I Googled and went to the circlist site already referenced in this thread. Excellent info there. They mention the reality that historically desert climates made it particularly valuable to be free of foreskin. Imagine sand getting where you don't want it to be and no water available for washing it out! Ouch! Considering that the current controversial war is raging in a sandy area and that that very likely will continue to be a world hot-spot... Poor soldiers who are uncircumsized... I'd be curious to hear what Vietnam vets have to report about their experiences in that notoriously hot and humid climate, optimal for fungal growth. I remember one of the movies, Platoon or Full Metal Jacket or another, where the guys referred to one of their number as "Cheese D*ck". Sounds appealing, doesn't it?!
I also remembered hearing years ago, also mentioned on this thread, that the main cause of cervical cancer in women is uncircumcized male partners.
As for me, I'll take my men circumcized, thank you very much!  | |
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| Circumcision...To cut or not to cut?
Posted: 1/1/2007 9:56:09 PM | ^^^^I got to thinking hard about my post above. ^^^^^
My own credibility is very important to me so I thought I should post the following uncertainty about my ex-father-in-law's situation during WWII: it is possible that the peace treaty with Japan had been already signed by the time he was encouraged to get circumsized - making it technically not wartime but the time of the Occupation Army. He was in combat in the Pacific (New Guinea) and it was in that part of the world that he was circumsized by the Army medical staff. Soldiers exhausted from combat were offered several days' leave/R&R time if they'd agree to circumcision. Little did they know that their leave time would be spent in pain, recuperating from the surgery!
My ex-husband told me this story many years ago and I no longer have any contact with him or his family in order to check the details.
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