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Joined: 10/31/2005
Msg: 176

single parents smoking pot Posted: 8/23/2006 12:06:27 AM
I guess they make these laws for nothing then, eh? Creating More Effective Possession Offences Cannabis use – under the current or proposed law – is illegal in Canada . The Government of Canada believes that while cannabis use must be discouraged, possession of small amounts should not result in a criminal record. As a result, four new summary conviction offences of cannabis possession are being proposed, each with distinct penalties. Possession of 1 gram or less of cannabis resin (hashish) $300 fine for adults and $200 for youth Possession of 15 grams or less of marijuana $150 fine for adults and $100 for youth Possession of 1 gram or less of resin or 15 grams or less of marijuana while also: Operating a motor vehicle; Committing a more serious offence, such as break and enter; or In or near a school. $400 fine for adults and up $250 for youth Possession of more than 15 grams and up to and including 30 grams of marijuana $300 fine for adults and $200 for youth when prosecuted by a ticket; or Six months imprisonment and/or fine of up to $1,000 if prosecuted by way of a summary conviction. For the first three possession offences, law enforcement will be able to issue a ticket. For the fourth offence, they would have the discretion to give a ticket or issue a summons to appear in criminal court, depending on the officer's appreciation of the circumstances related to the offence. The parent or guardian of anyone under 18 would be notified that the youth has received a ticket or has been charged. These reforms would also increase accountability among offenders who would get a ticket instead of a simple warning, as is the case for about half of the individuals police find in possession of cannabis. Socially acceptable..perhaps. Illegal? Yes.

Joined: 5/19/2006
Msg: 177

single parents smoking pot Posted: 8/23/2006 12:09:29 AM
^^^^ most grow their own cigarettes cost more in most cases -- (just to respond to the $$$$$ issue ) and me personally I don't smoke any thing or do drugs or allow it in my home however I know what & when & who to be concerned about And I leave them be if they are not harming anyone. edit /add - thank you for the laws you quote above....we know the laws in our Country I believe it still is illegal to marry on a Sunday before 2:00 pm or without a blood test..BUT people do and they are not charged with breaking the law. Laws are no good if they aren't enforced and those cost too much to enforce here - the cops are busy needed elsewhere and know this......just worry about your country & your laws and we will ours....thank you

Joined: 8/26/2005
Msg: 178

single parents smoking pot Posted: 8/23/2006 12:11:27 AM
Nah, I like my high horse. But lets not be confused, cause my horse doesnt get high. Yes. he was all those things. I have no shame in saying that. He is what he is. But that has nothing to do with this thread, as I was clearly against it before he started abusing. Nice turn though. My stance is still the same regardless if it is a personal choice or not. My ex husband is a clear example how drugs can ruin a family. Just remember that. What you think is a harmless relaxation night, just could get you in trouble with the law, ruin your family, and all that happy stuff,

Joined: 10/31/2005
Msg: 179

single parents smoking pot Posted: 8/23/2006 12:12:41 AM
Most grown their own Thats even worse - especially if they have children. The present offence for marijuana cultivation is punishable by up to seven-years imprisonment and it makes no reference to the number of plants being cultivated. To help ensure the law distinguishes between those who grow small quantities of cannabis for personal use versus those who grow for commercial purposes, the Government of Canada is also proposing four new cultivation offences. 1 – 3 plants $500 fine $250 fine for youth 4 – 25 plants Up to five-years-less-a-day imprisonment on indictment Up to 18-months imprisonment and/or up to a $25,000 fine on summary conviction 26 – 50 Up to 10-years imprisonment More than 50 Up to 14-years imprisonment For any cultivation offence involving more than three plants, the courts would be required to provide reasons for not imposing imprisonment where specific aggravating factors are present. These include operations that use traps or explosives, have children present on-site or are located in a residential area.

Joined: 8/26/2005
Msg: 180

single parents smoking pot Posted: 8/23/2006 12:12:57 AM
Good one Fiesty. If it is so "carefree" in Canada, why the hell do they have a law against it then? eh?

Joined: 8/26/2005
Msg: 181

single parents smoking pot Posted: 8/23/2006 12:16:38 AM
I see growing your own holds a stiffer fine. Most states here are the same. Yes, I edited :laughing:

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Msg: 182

single parents smoking pot Posted: 8/23/2006 12:18:19 AM
Just worry about your country & your laws and we will ours She IS from your country.

Joined: 5/19/2006
Msg: 183

single parents smoking pot Posted: 8/23/2006 12:20:34 AM
oh come on please note the key words there are "proposing" and no government is going to pay thousands of dollars (yes thousands ) to bust a private individual with a couple of plants in his basement (grow ops are different - we cant keep up with those - for every one busted 20 more pop up and those guys always get off cause they either have the money for great council or leave the country and go back to their native land) fact I was talking to you river...

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Msg: 184

single parents smoking pot Posted: 8/23/2006 12:20:50 AM
just worry about your country & your laws and we will ours....thank you i Am from "your' ( who died and made you prime minister?) country.....

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Msg: 185

single parents smoking pot Posted: 8/23/2006 12:22:09 AM
Twist it as you see fit DU.

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Msg: 186

single parents smoking pot Posted: 8/23/2006 12:24:23 AM
and no government is going to pay thousands of dollars (yes thousands ) to bust a private individual with a couple of plants in his basement perhaps not, but if someone reports that person to the police, the police can come into their home with a warrent, and see for themselves. if they find it, they will be charged, and could do time. Then what are you going to say to the kids? People are niave and think they wont get caught. I guess the police are too busy with ohh..you know...real offences to worry about the small little things. So maybe i'll just go beat up my kid, because HEY ya know what? Nobody will ever find out, and the police wont care. ( * please note that I would never hit my child).

Joined: 5/19/2006
Msg: 187

single parents smoking pot Posted: 8/23/2006 12:32:26 AM
perhaps not, but if someone reports that person to the police, the police can come into their home with a warrent, and see for themselves. if they find it, they will be charged, and could do time. oh believe me that does not happen - they wont bother - We as a neighborhood reported a "drug house" of Cocaine trafficking and the answer is - well we can maybe go by and talk to them and tell them we are aware of them trafficking in the coke but our hands are tied - we cannot do anything about it without a "Huge" narcotic investigation in order to get the warrant and they are not financed to do so , yes the "RCMP" nor do they have the staff - so they were able to continue to sale cocaine from their home for 2 more years in a friendly upscale neighborhood ....so don't quote laws to me and tell me what will happen when someone smokes a reefer or has a pretty plant in their window---its all a fairy tale that doesn't exist! think about it

Joined: 10/31/2005
Msg: 188

single parents smoking pot Posted: 8/23/2006 12:37:24 AM
You're right. Nobody gets arrested for it. Cannabis Arrests 1922 ........... 0 1923 ........... 0 1924 ........... 0 1925 ........... 0 1926 ........... 0 1927 ........... 0 1928 ........... 0 1929 ........... 0 1930 ........... 0 1931 ........... 0 1932 ........... na 1933 ........... 0 1934 ........... 0 1935 ........... 0 1936 ........... 0 1937 ........... 4 1938 ........... 4 1939 ........... 12 1940 ........... 3 1941 ........... 0 1942 ........... 0 1943 ........... 2 1944 ........... 0 1945 ........... 0 1946 ........... 0 1947 ........... 0 1948 ........... 6 1949 ........... 5 1950 ........... n/a 1951 ........... 5 1952 ........... 6 1953 ........... 7 1954 ........... 2 1955 ........... 8 1956 ........... 1 1957 ........... 5 1958 ........... 14 1959 ........... 22 1960 ........... 21 1961 ........... 17 1962 ........... 16 1963 ........... 29 1964 ........... 39 1965 ........... 32 1966 ........... 112 1967 ........... 447 1968 ........... 817 1969 ........... 1,476 1970 ........... 5,399 1971 ........... (...) 1972 ........... 10,695 1996 ........... 47,2342 1997 ........... 47,9332 1998 ........... 50,9172 1999 ........... 60,0112 2000 ........... 66,1712 2001 ........... 70,6243 2002 ........... 69,9894 2003 ........... 60,6705 * 2004 ........... 67,8326 You know, these are statistics, and facts that i have been quoting. from government websites. Your "story' about the cocaine users being reported and the police doing nothing..is just that. a story. For all we know, you could just be saying that to try to prove your point. Point being, my posts are facts and reality. Yours have no concrete proof. think about it

Joined: 5/19/2006
Msg: 189

single parents smoking pot Posted: 8/23/2006 12:56:39 AM
Well "I" know it's the truth and I know it is a real situation and I know I am an honest and law abiding citizen with an open mind and I don't lie and I don't have to Google anytime before I post ever on here as I am capable of using my clear clean drug free mind to discuss/debate/opinions on topics and I don't appreciate you insinuating I am a liar. you two can quote all the laws and facts you like and I can post my opinion based on my experience and my truth and I don't feel I should be told that I am making up stories to suit my post I have not called your facts lies or myth I have only stated my opinion and experience as what I have seen.

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Msg: 190

single parents smoking pot Posted: 8/23/2006 1:04:07 AM
Well, I am posting based on my experience. I see arrests happening on a daily basis, and a good friend of mine is a police officer, who shares stories with our mutual friends. Perhaps it is more accepted in your Prov. because B.C Is known for it's pot. ( ie. BC Bud). Oh, and DU, hope you dont take offence to my posts. i am simply pointing out facts. I really could care less who smokes pot , when they have kids. they are not my kids, and nobody wants to listen to another person tell them what to do..... I dont smoke pot, and nobody I know smokes pot around my children. Ever. it's just not something I feel they should be exposed to. parents can do whatever they want. How they raise their kids, is their business... All Im doing is having a healthy debate. isnt that what the forums are for?

write guy

Joined: 4/7/2006
Msg: 191

single parents smoking pot Posted: 8/23/2006 8:11:09 AM
a healthy debate,, wow this topic always gets so nasty, Dustine is right about the cops hands being tied, they need so much more information to raid a house than just someones word, although that would start an investigation, it might not lead anywhere. the police here in Manitoba don't have the resources to bust every grow house( something i don't do, before someone pipes up) now if this was a thread about parents "growing"weed i would be the first one to say that is not something anyone should do, there are more dangers from living in a grow house. but the truth is that even though there are laws doesnt mean they are enforced, it wasnt to long ago that the law stated that every man who gets out of jail should be given a horse, rifle and a twenty dollar coin,it wasnt until the 70s that someone changed that law, just like i presume it will be 2020 before someone changes the pot laws,, the law regarding pot is out dated and seldom used when it comes to the user, dealing pot is a totally different thing as is growing Where is Mark Emery when you need him,,lol

bombay_martini

Joined: 6/16/2006
Msg: 192

single parents smoking pot Posted: 8/23/2006 9:14:43 AM
Wow, the things I miss on here when I'm not on. Rivergirl, You've twisted people's statements around again. As in previous threads, your lame attempts at cheap shots are sad. Fiesty, Dustine is one of the calmest, most down to earth posters on here so get your head out of your butt with all the Googling, we alrady have our source for onesided internet searches already. Do your stats on arrests include information on actual convictions, appeals, circumstances of those involved? The point of this discussion is in regards to small time use and if it has effect on the children of those who partake. One cannot definitively say if such kids are effected without knowing those children themselves and examining each individual home. As far as the law with the horse, gun, and twenty dollars goes; I was going to mention that one too. If I recall, it was a convicted felon being released from Fort Saskatchewan Penitentiary that, through reseaching old outdated laws to suit himself, demanded those items on his release and because it was law, they had to give it to him.Some laws are outdated, plain and simple. Another example I could give would be to those who are against abortions. The Supreme Court of Canada makes it legal, so without giving out my own opinion on that (another thread altogether) think about wheather you stand on "the law's" side of both issues, or if you are just using the law as backup when it suits you.

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Msg: 193

single parents smoking pot Posted: 8/23/2006 9:26:59 AM
I guess there is no point in having a debate with pot smokers, because all you're doing is putting down cold hard facts. You smoke pot...fine....just dont be surprised when your son's and daughters get busted at school for smoking.... because we all know...it will happen. I'm out, have fun, no hard feelings.

bombay_martini

Joined: 6/16/2006
Msg: 194

single parents smoking pot Posted: 8/23/2006 9:34:25 AM
No hard feelings at all Feisty, if you had read the thread you would know that both Dustine and myself have said more than once that we don't smoke pot. Again, you were not as well informed as you seem to think you are. And my children are grown and doing quite well thanks.

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Msg: 195

single parents smoking pot Posted: 8/23/2006 9:36:15 AM
Thats good girl, but I was directing that line to the pot smokers.

Joined: 8/26/2005
Msg: 196

single parents smoking pot Posted: 8/23/2006 9:45:06 AM
I guess there is no point in having a debate with pot smokers, because all you're doing is putting down cold hard facts. True. They will go to the ends of the earth to justify why it is ok and acceptable to do drugs. Its ok bombay, I can take it with a grain of salt, perhaps you should too.

bombay_martini

Joined: 6/16/2006
Msg: 197

single parents smoking pot Posted: 8/23/2006 9:56:41 AM
Take what with a grain of salt Rivergirl? Did I get insulted and missed it? I already said no hard feelings to Fiesty, what thread are you reading?

write guy

Joined: 4/7/2006
Msg: 198

single parents smoking pot Posted: 8/23/2006 10:24:31 AM
fiesty, being a pot smoker i take your point and understand what you say, all i was saying is that the laws are hardly ever really enforced to any degree, there are so many things parents do to put there children in harms way( i think you posted something like that before) i still don't see why me smoking a joint at the end of my day is that big of a deal, its my choice my family, my girls have a rich full life and get involved in many extra activities, there doing great in school been to camp this summer, work as extras in the film industry, and I make this all happen for them without any real help, its just what i do, never asked to be a single parent, don't claim to be the best parent, being a single parent takes a lot out of me, by the end of my day i am usually exhausted so i smoke and relax and usually come on these forums, i dont really see the harm in that