| Have You or would You consider Dating a Crossdresser Posted: 3/30/2006 1:12:44 AM | | OT: the topic at hand is would someone date a crossdresser. My answer, if they did they would be dating a confused individual with a psychological disorder. If they got married then they would have two wedding dresses, one for each Lady LMAO. I also wonder if it is common practice for individuals to exchange remarks that should normally be contained in private emails? It is remarkably similiar to chat posts as outlined in the rules posted at the top of the forum. Perhaps I am mistaken. | |
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| Have You or would You consider Dating a Crossdresser Posted: 3/30/2006 1:22:31 AM |
As far as this topic goes, I'll take you on anyday. I'll bring facts and not your lies and half truths.
Perhaps you can just provide the proof you are witholding. I do believe I asked you just over a week ago in another crossdressing thread.
I do wonder why you avoid that so much and what are you hiding. I only go after certain particular individuals who I know are trying to deceive other's. You my man are one of them and you hide behind political correctness and a parade of fools to support you not knowing they are going to be burned when they find out what i already know. Jim has documented proof that what I am saying is the truth. The problem is he cant show you and especially now after you all defending him and his views.
OT; I retain my stance. | |
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| Have You or would You consider Dating a Crossdresser Posted: 3/30/2006 1:26:48 AM |
I also wonder if it is common practice for individuals to exchange remarks that should normally be contained in private emails? It is remarkably similiar to chat posts as outlined in the rules posted at the top of the forum. Perhaps I am mistaken.
and what is this:
Perhaps you can just provide the proof you are witholding. I do believe I asked you just over a week ago in another crossdressing thread.
I do wonder why you avoid that so much and what are you hiding. I only go after certain particular individuals who I know are trying to deceive other's. You my man are one of them and you hide behind political correctness and a parade of fools to support you not knowing they are going to be burned when they find out what i already know. Jim has documented proof that what I am saying is the truth. The problem is he cant show you and especially now after you all defending him and his views
And, there are alot more of those little remarks YOU have made to us all, I wouldn't throw that rock in your glass house if I were you. | |
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| Have You or would You consider Dating a Crosstresser Posted: 3/30/2006 2:02:27 AM | My first ever b/f was a transvestite, although I didnt find out until i was in my early 20's after going out with him for 5 yrs.
I must say what a shock to the system to learn he'd been crossdressing for yrs unbeknown to me.
I remember trying to salvage the relationship by visiting a psychologist with him, who informed me it was just a fetish, and that guys who do this are generally obsessed with the female form.
I tried but couldn't handle the situation so ended the relationship, it still haunts me today.
I saw him a couple of yrs ago, he'd had a full sex change, that was even more shocking for me cos I'd never actually seen him dressed that way let alone the full change. | |
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| Have You or would You consider Dating a Crosstresser Posted: 3/30/2006 5:14:08 PM | Freespeech sounds like an angry out-of-work person with too much time on his hands. He validates himself by attempting to be superior to others. His convenient targets are the members of this forum, and the transgendered. His posts appear to be pathetic attempts to build up his low self-esteem.
The DSM-III he used as a source has been superceded by DSM-IV. Much of the research done since the publishing of the third and fourth edition refutes free's rants. For example, the following excerpt is on line at http://www.transgender.org/gidr/kwapa98.html. The excerpt is from a paper that is a revised and expanded version of a previous article of the same title, published in Psychiatry On-Line, The International Forum for Psychiatry, Priory Lodge Education, Ltd., April, 1997, www.priory.co.uk/psych.htm. The original article is available on-line at www.priory.com/psych/disparat.htm. The paper was presented at the 1998 Annual Meeting of the American Psychiatric Association. I have quoted the paragraphs in their entirety. No selective editing or quoting out of context was done. Emphasis, however, in the form of boldface, has been added and the proper editorial notes indicate where such work was done.
Views of inherent impairment and distress in transvestism and transsexualism follow the same threads of deviance from presumed biological function and association with other psFreespeech sounds like an angry out-of-work person with too much time on his hands. He validates himself by attempting to be superior to others. His convenient targets are the members of this forum, and the transgendered. His posts appear to be pathetic attempts to build up his low self-esteem. The DSM-III he used as a source has been superceded by DSM-IV. Much of the research done since the publishing of the third and fourth edition refutes free's rants. For example, the following excerpt is on line at http://www.transgender.org/gidr/kwapa98.html. The excerpt is from a paper that is a “revised and expanded version of a previous article of the same title, published in Psychiatry On-Line, The International Forum for Psychiatry, Priory Lodge Education, Ltd., April, 1997, www.priory.co.uk/psych.htm. The original article is available on-line at www.priory.com/psych/disparat.htm.” The paper was presented at the 1998 Annual Meeting of the American Psychiatric Association. I have quoted the paragraphs in their entirety. No selective editing or quoting out of context was done. Emphasis, however, in the form of boldface, has been added and the proper editorial notes indicate where such work was done. Views of inherent impairment and distress in transvestism and transsexualism follow the same threads of deviance from presumed biological function and association with other psychopathology. Rado (1962), in rejecting Freud's theory of constitutional bisexuality, stated that "every individual is either male or female," rejecting the possibility of more than two natural genders. Zucker and Blanchard (1997) noted in studies of clinical subjects that transvestic fetishism impairs the ability to form pair bonds, but admitted that "systematic empirical studies have been scant." Accepting wives of male crossdressers have been characterized as having poor self-esteem (Feinbloom, 1976) or as angry toward men (Stoller, 1967), reminiscent of Socarides' (1962) description of homosexual relationships as "destruction, mutual defeat," and "exploitation." Gender dysphoria has been clinically associated with borderline personality disorder (Wise & Meyer, 1980) and crossdressing with various Axis II disorders (Zucker & Blanchard, 1997), as had been homosexuality twenty years earlier.
Rebuttals to theories of inherent transgender distress and impairment closely paralleled those in the case of sexual orientation. Beginning with Ford and Beach (1951), anthropological research has revealed a long list of supernumerary gender roles among many non-European cultures (Bolin, 1987; Bullough, 1993; Williams, 1986). These were accepted, often highly respected, societal roles difficult to characterize as pathological. The medical presumption of gender essentialism, exactly two natural sexes determined by genitalia, has been challenged by a growing body of socio-cultural literature that considers gender a social construction, not a biological imperative (DeBeauvior, 1952; Kessler, 1978; Butler, 1990; Garber, 1992; Lorber, 1994). Psychiatric studies of clinical populations, like those of clinical gay and lesbian subjects in previous decades, failed to consider the incidence of functional, well adjusted transgendered people and couples in society. [emphasis added - C.N.] Conversely, a long-term survey of members of a heterosexual cross-dressers' support organization (Prince & Bentler, 1972) suggested a high degree of education, vocational success, and self acceptance. A recent study (Cole, et al., 1997) of 435 gender dysphoric individuals found no significant Axis I or Axis II comorbidity on the basis of clinical interview and the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory (MMPI). [emphasis added – C.N.] This is remarkable given that the study was limited to a clinical population, two-thirds of which were undergoing hormonal treatments and committed to a real-life transition subject to considerable discrimination. Other paragraphs in the paper refute freespeech's assertions. Freespeech's selective quoting of research indicates that he has a private agenda against the transgendered. An expert would not be so irresponsible with research and data. His time would be better spent looking for responsible employment instead tying up resources at the public library. | |
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| Have You or would You consider Dating a Crossdresser Posted: 3/30/2006 5:50:25 PM | Well said PrettyGuy. I could have given this more of my time but felt it was not worth it. Just consider the source. We both exposed him for his deceitful selective posting of old data to make it look like current research. He is a fraud, a liar and definitely a guy with some serious mental problems that drive him to write long boring rants on topics he has no knowledge of. And clearly he is a mental case that is a homophobic sociopath with no social skills or for that matter, a life. He is not even smart enough to see or care that he is not welcome here or in any thread he has done this same sick game of his. Proof of my analysis of his disorder as stated above.
God forgive me! I am starting to sound like this idiot! LMAO | |
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| Have You or would You consider Dating a Crossdresser Posted: 3/30/2006 7:57:40 PM | | NO Jim you could never sound like him!!! There is a big difference between mean people who love to attack others for no reason and people who just get angry at those type people. I have also looked back on some of the threads he gets involved in and it's obvious that he has a problem with any type alternative lifestyle. | |
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| Have You or would You consider Dating a Crossdresser Posted: 3/31/2006 5:42:28 AM | | I agree with what you said, Jim about replying not being worth the effort. However, it is worth publishing at least one reference to a current, authoritive, and footnoted research paper. At the same time, it refuted freakspeech. | |
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| Have You or would You consider Dating a Crosstresser Posted: 3/31/2006 2:36:13 PM | Yeh this thread is quite the thread. I know I have read that some women find it attractive and or sexy when men wear womens underwear? and that's wayy odd and creepy but a complete cross dresser, I think if you have a man that's a cross dresser he needs to get in some where and get some help.  | |
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| Have You or would You consider Dating a Crossdresser Posted: 3/31/2006 3:32:05 PM | Kixxie, I'm going to quote you from a different forum. You just kind of stuck your foot in your mouth with your comment here. You said:
Everyone has their own likes, dislikes, certain taste in the type of person they're looking for. Some men prefer blonds, some brunettes, hell some even prefer other men. Some women prefer white brunette men, some prefer black bald men.
Now that I agree with 100% I noticed on your profile that you are not prejudice and would even date a black man. Well how would you feel if I or someone said that was disgusting! And many still do feel that way I might add.
See, what is not disgusting to you is still disgusting to others. So I'll ask you....How would you feel if you were seen out with a black man and neighbors and co-workers told you that it was disgusting!... just disgusting!
I don't think you'd feel to good and you surely would not agree. I find your comment as offensive and uncalled for as you would the neighbors and co-workers ranted about you dating a black guy. You couild have expressed your displeasure in a quieter way girl.
I can understand you not wanting to date a cross dresser and that's fine. But to call it disgusting kind of hurts us men that are what we are.
BTW, I guarentee that you have even dated a cross dresser or at least known one or more, worked with one or more and you don't even know it. A male member of your family could also be a cross dresser and you'd never know it. See most of us ar every normal, nice strong successful men and hide this from even wives for our entire life. So be careful. The next guy you fall in love with may just be a cross dresser and you would have no way of knowing unless eh chose to tell you. Trust me, very few of us do tell. | |
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| Have You or would You consider Dating a Crossdresser Posted: 3/31/2006 8:04:16 PM | Hmmm a female crossdresser? You mean a female who dresses like a male? Maybe like a Scottish male with a kilt and no undies....?
There are some women I that I could put up with if they did that... probably not the ones who do it though.
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| Have You or would You consider Dating a Crossdresser Posted: 4/1/2006 3:00:16 PM | Yes, and I stick by it.......My OPINION....is that it's disgusting as far as for me to sleep with one. If that's what someone else prefers, that's up to them and I wish them luck.....but the question at hand, was how do people feel about it...I just simply stated how "I" feel about it. I'm sorry if that bothers you, but I was raised to date men who act like men......100% of the time, not men with whom I can visit about where we got our little black dresses and heels from.
And, as far as whether you or anyone else likes interracial dating is not a concern to me. Never has been, never will be. I'm very happy and comfortable dating other races. I've never felt like I had to justify or hide my preferences to friends, family or anyone else. If you feel like you have to hide yours, (as you stated, "Trust me, very few of us do tell"), then that is your problem, not mine. Yes, maybe I could have been a little more tactful about what I wrote in my response post up there, but my opinion is still the same, no matter how it's spelled out. | |
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| Have You or would You consider Dating a Crosstresser Posted: 4/2/2006 4:56:09 AM | I have been a crossdresser for about two years,I have traded in all my boxers and briefs for satin panties.I think they are sexy and they make me feel good.I would have to tell a person before things got that far though,I too am a believer that being a crossdresser is far less important than dishonesty.Wish I had a woman,or man(since I am also a bisexual)too bring me home a new sexy set | |
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| Have You or would You consider Dating a Crossdresser Posted: 3/8/2007 7:04:52 PM | I would immediately. Just find me a guy who also wants something longterm and who isn't going to be offended by the fact that I am ill informed and ignorant about his lifestyle so there's a good chance that any questions I have will reflect such.
It's a turn on for me and my heart is in the right place. So if I need to be educated in the matter then the least he could do is step up to the plate and do his part to make one more person in the world a little bit more informed.
But if he has had bisexual experiences and/or does indulge then I at least want a guy who primarily likes females. Damn, I would think it was hot if he was pre-op transgender but that's just me.
The fact I haven't acted on any of my fantasies is because I don't like experimenting with people as if they were commodities. (Today I'm going to try this race, then this fetish etc.)
It would have to be an introduction that came about naturally with the same attraction to him as a person that I'd look for regardless of what he likes to wear. | |
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| Have You or would You consider Dating a Crossdresser Posted: 3/8/2007 8:03:26 PM | BTW FREESPEECH:
There are more than a few axis you could be placed on yourself. Let's start with "How I enjoy human emotion enraged by fear". A quick read of the DSMlV and we're on our way. | |
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| Have You or would You consider Dating a Crossdresser Posted: 3/10/2007 9:54:52 PM | | I don't think so but I've never been in the situation so I don't really know how I would react...my ex put on my cute little lacey Brazilian cut boyshorts thinking it was funny but I thought it was the most disgusting/weird thing I'd ever seen...needless to say I did laugh. | |
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