| Sexual Preditors and Pedifiles VS Drug Dealers/Probation Violators/Traffic Violators
Posted: 10/6/2005 6:18:28 AM | A Five Star prison? Which ones have y'all visited lately. Prisons are overcrowded, dark, sterile, and dangerous, devoid of anything that could ever soften any human being's heart. They are frightening places - full of hate, anger, pain, frustration, and most of all - fear. (But then that would be another thread, wouldn't it?)
yes i do agree with you
But a 5 star prison is a prison with 3 meals, color tv, ac, news papers, concrete floors. prisoners should not have any of this. If the comitted a crime they should pay. and have no contact with the outside world. They should also eat the road kill.
Most prisoners and pedophiles should not return to the real world. They repeat the crime over again just to go back to a 5 star hotel that we pay for. They should not be able to further they education in prison.
Years ago they did not have this. But i forgot a prisoner has rights too. The prisoners rights were stripped when comitted a crime. Everyone forgets about the victim. He or she has rights too. | |
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| Sexual Preditors and Pedifiles VS Drug Dealers/Probation Violators/Traffic Violators
Posted: 10/6/2005 6:49:56 AM |
I'd like to see the courts offer them an option: the maximum sentence (incarceration) allowable under statute or a lesser sentence with permanent chemical castration.
A violent sex crime is not about sex. It is about power and anger - the rapist's. Castration of any kind does not stop that. The offender will only commit the crime utilizing some other means to vent and to gain the power. Being raped is being raped - regardless of the 'weapon' utilized. | |
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| Sexual Preditors and Pedifiles VS Drug Dealers/Probation Violators/Traffic Violators
Posted: 10/6/2005 10:27:56 AM | let me try this one more time,.....
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS CHEMICHAL CASTRATION,....
it is a drug that is administered that reduces greatly if not altogether both the ability to have an errection and the arrousal factor,...but it has to be taken or administered all the time,...problem is while in jail this can be done,..even on parole some sort of order can require but NOT monitor this administration,....but once paroll has been completed,..is completely on the honour system,...and
thieves may have honour,....rapists and pedophiles DO NOT,....
hence the meds can't work if they are not taken,....
surgical castration is the removal of the testies only and as such the hormones are reduced but anyone who has ever had a baby boy knows that arrousal factor is often involuntarry,...and certainly begins Long before the boys reach puberty,....
hence the removal of the testies can do only so much,...what it can't do is alter the state of mind,..and many pedophiles interviewed have stated that their desires and fantasies are something they have to continue to cope with and try to controll,.... | |
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Posted: 10/6/2005 10:45:07 AM | This is how the law should read: if you steal You lose one hand If you try it again you lose both And you shot to death.
If you kill some one: Your shot to death or hung, or the electric chair.
If you rape some one . Your c-ck is cut off and you use straw to piss from and your sentence to death.
When i say cut off i mean with no drugs for the pain. because you prisoner cause others alot more pain then you can imagine | |
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| Sexual Preditors and Pedifiles VS Drug Dealers/Probation Violators/Traffic Violators
Posted: 10/6/2005 1:00:52 PM | if only,..eh? la loba,....lol
it's not like that foolish notion hasn't been dealt with in spades in this and other forums,...
and leaves no room for the ops,..(we're wrong) factor,...
as I said before gluing body parts back has to date proven ineffectice,....
even from a cosmetic point of view,...nevermind functional,.... | |
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| Sexual Preditors and Pedifiles VS Drug Dealers/Probation Violators/Traffic Violators
Posted: 10/6/2005 2:17:10 PM | THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS CHEMICHAL CASTRATION,....
Not in the literal sense, no, but people do affectionately call it that.
In the instance where a person has been convicted of multiple counts of child molestation and/or rape, I suggested that the choice should be left to the convict. Receive the maximum sentence, with no two-thirds rule, or get into the chemical castration program, which I am aware must be administered continuously. Thus, the other protection measures such as constant monitoring. If they fail to report, then issue a Canada Wide Warrant and they serve the remainder of their sentence in jail on top of a sentence for breach of probation and make it lifetime unless they can prove to the courts that they are rehabilitated.
I'm also in favour of removing concurrent sentence serving as well.
Of course, we can just automatically register them as dangerous offenders and throw away the key..... | |
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| Sexual Preditors and Pedifiles VS Drug Dealers/Probation Violators/Traffic Violators
Posted: 10/6/2005 2:46:12 PM | In an effort to stop male pedophiles, male child molesters have the option of being chemically castrated in some states. Chemical castration is a term used to describe treatment with Depo-Provera. When given to men, it acts on the brain to inhibit hormones that stimulate the testicles to produce testosterone. Depo-Provera contains a synthetic version of the female hormone progesterone. Advocates of chemical castration hope that injections of Depo-Provera will prevent men from molesting children.
But Canadians can look forward to minimum sentencing for the first time offence of child pornography possession, distribution, and publication, as well as promotion of child pornography. These changes will be made early in 2006.
As far as molestation is concerned; initial sentences will be increasing as well. The abolition of ridiculous sentences, such as community service, house arrest, probation, serving time on weekends only, and other useless sentences will be a rare thing to hear about in Canada. | |
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| Sexual Preditors and Pedifiles VS Drug Dealers/Probation Violators/Traffic Violators
Posted: 10/6/2005 8:47:28 PM | Drug dealers? Hmmm...how about hook the hard on some crap, then cut 'em off cold turkey. Let them go through the hell of withdrawl....then repeat it. After 5 years of this it should drive the point home. Probation violators? Depends on the seriousness....guy is, say, cut off from drinking...he stops after work, has a beer...big deal. Just normal. He gets rip roaring drunk and punches someone out, or beats his spouse...toss his butt back in the can. If they commit another crime while of probation, start their new sentance by starting them off serving the FULL time for their last offence(starting from scratch), then start the time for their new sentance under normal circumstances...chance of parole after what? one-third their time is up, or whatever. They obviously didn't learn the FIRST time, so let them start it over.
ALL prisoners to go to school...they MUST pass their grades, or repeat them. NOBODY gets out with less than highschool, no matter what their original sentance was. Those who do well may continue for college or university courses. (Those with mental handicaps would get special considerations, etc.) Why this idea? Studies show that people with more education USUALLY commit fewer crimes. That may well be a BIG step towards stopping repeat offenders.
Child molesters...hmmm....take whatever they have and turn it over to help victims recieve councelling...BEFORE the lawyers get paid a cent for any defence fund. OF course they can't lose anything until they have been convicted...which means the lawyer is gonna work his butt off trying to get the person off so that he CAN collect his fees. This insures that the accused gets the best defense AND gives the victims the money needed to help them deal with it. The ONLY losers would be the laywers who DO lose...but they'd get paid from the taxpayer anyways....so...it works. Those convicted....chemical lobotomy. They can be "warehoused" away from the general public at a minimum of expense to the taxpayer, and they won't be able to re-offend. They have their lives, but won;t have the mental capacity do do much else except basket weave and watch Barney the Dinosaur. | |
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| Sexual Preditors and Pedifiles VS Drug Dealers/Probation Violators/Traffic Violators
Posted: 10/7/2005 8:47:47 AM | In the instance where a person has been convicted of multiple counts of child molestation and/or rape, I suggested that the choice should be left to the convict. Receive the maximum sentence, with no two-thirds rule, or get into the chemical castration program,
In an effort to stop male pedophiles, male child molesters have the option of being chemically castrated in some states.
Again, Rape and child molestation are not sexual crimes. They are crimes of violence and power. Many, many children are molested without penetration of the penis. And if you are familiar with the Boston Strangler the penis was definitely not his 'weapon' of choice. Castration may only compound the issue may making the offender feel even more impotent (as in lacking in power, not in the literal definition) and simply increase the rage that would escalate the violent nature of the crime. | |
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Posted: 10/7/2005 9:41:02 AM | It is a sexual crime, Loba. It is a crime of sexual dominance and power, and the sexual predators are sexually attracted to their victims and also (in the case of rape/murder) can carry a lot of deep seeded hatred for them. The two (violence and sex) are inextricably linked together for them. It would help with the sexual arousal aspect that they get by fantasizing then carrying out their crimes to take a chemical****ail that reduces their sex drive. I understand what you are saying and I'm not saying you are incorrect, but there is a huge sexual component to it as well that can't be undermined.
The book "Why They Kill" is an amazing oen to look at that explained it through the convict and the profilers. It kept me awake at night and had me looking strangely at others for a while. | |
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| Sexual Preditors and Pedifiles VS Drug Dealers/Probation Violators/Traffic Violators
Posted: 10/11/2005 5:56:35 AM | | It's because of liberal, out of control judges. These spineless judges actually think a pedaphile can be reformed. It is this soft, weak stance on crime that has allowed these predators to reak havoc on our society. Blame their parents, blame their upbringing. Never hold anybody accountable for their own choices and actions. The road to oblivion begins with liberalism. | |
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Posted: 10/11/2005 6:16:38 AM | | I like you babylonia. Some people believe there is no right or wrong, just a gray area, where everything can be argued for. They believe the US deserved 911. They blame America first. And no they aren't just terrorists. They are the liberal left of America. They think morality is relative. Relative to what you like. | |
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| Sexual Preditors and Pedifiles VS Drug Dealers/Probation Violators/Traffic Violators
Posted: 10/11/2005 8:16:42 PM | | the world is a shitty place. our justice system has a perfect design(it can change) but it takes a long time to change. punishment is never just. I do believe that there is a thing called redemption. If you realize what you have done is wrong and you serve, you should be let go. A lot of kids get molested and kidnapped because of negligent parents. Predators are very smart and play on weaknesses. Many kids are easily abused because thay are neglected at home and seek attention from other adults. So it's a very complex problem. Junkies are treated poorly because they sometimes abuse the system so they can keep doing drugs. There needs to be a change in how they punish both. A lot of therapy would help both parties. | |
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| Sexual Preditors and Pedifiles VS Drug Dealers/Probation Violators/Traffic Violators
Posted: 10/11/2005 8:41:47 PM | Wow...OK....concerning the lenient sentencing of these folks.....there are matters here you have to understand.....and think about other types of crimes that have lenient punishments...perhaps..."white collar" crimes.
Now consider WHO make these laws......there is always a benefit to someone.....so back to the question..who makes the laws.....it's been said that laws benefit those who make them, their friends, relatives....so ask yourself....if I could make a law it would be__________because it would benefit me, my family, my friends, my business associates.
Now.....and this becomes pretty obvious....the population of child molesters is darnwell widespread and much larger than reported....and exists now and historically among the upper crust as well as with the rest of us riffraff.
Lawmakers are protecting......have you guessed it yet? Scroll up.
Oh, you say...but what about all those other crimes that get big sentences? They do those too......
Yep...I say.....but they can afford the GOOD lawyers who have CONNECTIONS and can get them OFF
The rest of us....oh....pay an ordinary street-front lawyer what.......$7,000 and upwards.....go afford that for mediocre legal defense.....
or
worse yet
a Public Defender
And that is another story that I won't go into tonight because it is just too stinking depressing. | |
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Posted: 10/12/2005 11:18:41 AM | Has anyone heard of Oprah's latest brainstorm of tracking down pedofiles????
and what do you think of her idea,...and method????
so far she has 2 arrests to her credit,.... 
I haven't watched oprah for years,...mostly because she
has lost a lot of credabillity over the years (IMO)
She's become a little too snooty for my liking,....
so it was purely coincidentally that I turned her on yesterday
as she was announcing her $100,000.oo rewards program
for anyone who's information leads to the arrest, of anyone she profiles,..
(she's not even waiting for the conviction) so she's becomming a female
John Walsh,....and she's using her own money to pay the tipsters,....
What is your idea about this?????love to hear the pro's and (or) con's
 go get 'em Oprah  | |
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Joined: 8/26/2005
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| Sexual Preditors and Pedifiles VS Drug Dealers/Probation Violators/Traffic Violators
Posted: 10/12/2005 2:35:51 PM | If I had the chance to choose the punishment for the guys who raped and molested me, I would start with a good kick in the nuts three times a day, everyday. There would be more but I should not share that much info on this thread. It is true that they were physically actracted to me. They even said so.
I still don't like Oprah. If she wants to spend her own money to help find and arrest pedophiles, that's fine with me. She has said too many things in the past that have made me really really really really really really really really really dislike her. Hate is such a strong word but I am tempted to use it in her case.
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