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Posted: 3/9/2007 8:57:38 AM | | It was definitely shocking! Surprised he wasn't seriously injured by that blow to the neck. What a moron Simon is. | |
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Posted: 3/9/2007 9:15:47 AM | | Simon should be suspended for the rest of the season and get a heavy fine for clotheslining Hollweg like that. It was totally uncalled for. | |
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Posted: 3/9/2007 11:22:49 AM | Sean Avery's opinion means absolutely nothing. He's one of the filthiest players in the league, so it's not his place to pass judgment. Anyways, the Kaberle hit, altohugh disrespecful, was clean according to NHL rules. A one game suspension MAX would have done it.
Chris Simon deserves to be booted out of the NHL for life. It's no different than what McSorley did to Brashear. While you're at it, Colin and Gary, get Bertuzzi out too. It's an embarassment that he was allowed to represent Canada at the Olympics.Thanks. | |
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Posted: 3/9/2007 11:58:57 AM | Did anyone happen to see what prompted Simon to lose it ?
The way I saw it was that he got run from behind head first into the boards
and anyone who remembers Simon from his days in Quebec should know better than to cheap shot him he is a maniac.
I should say Hullwig or whatever his name is woke the giant
like Rob Ray did once and got both orbital bones broken for his trouble.
I agree that two wrongs don't make a right but Hulwig should get as many games as Simon
In the NHL what goes around comes around Steve Moore had to pay the price for his antics
just like Hullwig and Brashears days are numbered too
This is a very physical game and I am truly sorry that Moore missed out on a hockey career
but he got more from his settlement than he ever would have got from his skill alone
if anyone is an embarrassment to the game its him.
What Bertuzzi did was wrong and he paid the price now lets get on with it
and not bring it up every time the guy has a little success in his life
Lose that Leaf mentality where everybodys wrong but us
It wasn't that long ago that the great Rocket Richard swung his stick at peoples heads
and was applauded for it as well as many other super stars
Mr Hockey and Mark Messier
might have been the most vicious of all athletes in their day.
So if you can't stand the rough stuff don't be dishing it out yourselves | |
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Posted: 3/9/2007 12:31:37 PM | Hollweg's check was a clean one. If Simon wanted a fight for that, he should have put his stick down first.
Now he's suspended indefinitely until a hearing next week. | |
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Posted: 3/9/2007 1:29:07 PM | | If any of this crap affects play-off matches-ups,just watch the leauge throw the book at teams. It's all about making money and if certain markets don't do well beacause of crapola hits,bettman will step-in himself. Bertruzzi being where he is means the team suffers. Yes Messier was rough,but not stupid. This be Pro Hockey,not Slapshot. All sports be physical,thank god for modern medical treatment though. Fines's/Suspension's should match Injuries. | |
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Posted: 3/9/2007 2:46:38 PM | That hit on Simon was clearly not clean have a look at it yourself then you can say it was clean or not
Simons retaliation was not warranted but thats what happens when borderline skill players think that running people will get them a roster spot I'm not condoning or applauding
vicious acts or late hits or even Simon as a player or person but if there is no respect for
each other then some of them are going to pay the price
Does anyone remember Scott Niedermayer crosscheck to the face of Tie Domi a few years back that also was a dirty classless act from a usually classy guy.
But Tie took liberties with Jerseys star players in a previous game and was not punished for it
when he did it again with Niedermayer he got smoked and Niedermayer got a few games off
The problem is no respect and the leagues failure tp hand down punishment that fits the crime
And P:S Messier put out more guys with his elbows and butt ends than any other player since Gordie Howe
Anyone remember when Pavel Bure was a target for Shane Churla in Dallas ?
Bure took two unpenalized cheap shots from the Stars fourth liner
when the officials did NOTHING Bure on the next available play flew across the ice like a rocket and cross checked Churla square in the face
Bure was then suspended but noone ever took liberties with him again.
Is that the way it should be ? I don't think so but the league made it this way | |
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Posted: 3/9/2007 2:50:58 PM | First off if they scrapped that bs instigator rule and left the goons to do their own policing all of this would be a non issue... HMMMMM(pondering thought) That evil midget Bettmann is all about generating revenues for the league hence the fines$$$ | |
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Posted: 3/9/2007 3:02:58 PM | | And what goes around,comes around. Look where New Jersey and Edmondton are at now and where the teams with Nediemayer and Pronger are at. Welcome to the new N.H.L. Domi is a goof. Be intersting if Messier becomes a coach or GM ,won't it? Goons be Goons. Notice Pittsburgh response to gunning for Crosby? Be careful...be very ,very careful. | |
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Posted: 3/9/2007 3:29:33 PM | | Messier as coach or gm are you nutss just because he played alot of hockey was a great hockey player doesn't mean he would be good at it. Hell if that was the case I have been to the doctors enough time that maybe I would be a good doctor too | |
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Posted: 3/9/2007 4:42:10 PM | There have been some of the stupidest comments made in the last page and a bit of this thread...
Lets first look at the hit from Hollweg on Simon: Simon had no idea he was coming, Hollweg came and blind sided Simon, hitting the number 1 on his back and forcing him in to the boards.. if that doesn't constitute as a hit from behind, what does? Sure he finished his check, doesn't mean it was legal.
Now, the stick swinging incident.. if Simon really wanted to injure Hollweg, he could have taken his head off. Look at what Hollweg came away with, a little scratch on his chin. If you wanted to suspend Simon for the duration of the injury, give him 5 minutes, because Hollweg didn't even go to the locker room.
I am in no way defending Simon here, but when you look at it, it's not comparable to what happened with Brashear and McSorely. Brashear was knocked unconscious, taken off on a stretcher, and rushed to hospital because he was bleeding from his ear.
A suspension is due, but to what degree? I don't know. It's certainly not as severe as other stick swinging incidents.
The hit on Kaberle.. that wasn't legal either.. it was nearly a full two seconds after he passed the puck that he was hit, however, the hit was not the cause of the injury, it was his head hitting the boards. Such was the case when Neil hit Drury. Again, a late hit, but his helmet came flying off and he hit his head on the ice, resulting in the concussion.
And as far as Messier goes.. hopefully he gets in to some kind of roll in the management side. I don't see him being a coach, but he certainly has hockey knowledge, it's just a matter of combining that with managerial skills. | |
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Posted: 3/9/2007 6:05:08 PM | Finally someone who watches the evidence before the comment
anyone can repeat what Bill Waters or Jim Rome says
the only point I would dispute was that the Drury hit was late
TSN or CTV timed it at less than 1/2 a second
plus I'm bias and tend to get pissed at this time of year
GOSENSGO | |
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Posted: 3/9/2007 6:20:03 PM | | As all of you know by now I have a real dislike of that evil midget Bettmann.just look at how much our game has changed since he took over | |
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Posted: 3/9/2007 6:23:07 PM | ^^^^vaerstille.....if Simon really wanted to injure Hollweg, he could have taken his head off.
so what your saying then is that simon is so skilled with his stick that he intentionally missed hitting higher or lower?....i call BS....he just got lucky that the injury wasn't more severe....but the intent to do serious injury was there....most of these incidents happen in the heat of the moment but they still have to be dealt with.....and no i'm not defending holwegs hit on simon.....i love a good tough game and fighting but this cheap shot stuff has to end
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Posted: 3/9/2007 7:29:59 PM | I have to agree with the Neil hit to an extent, the only beef I have with his hit, is that he pretty much went out of his way to land the hit, and again, it was a little blind sided, but at the same time, when you're in that much open ice in the middle of the attacking zone, you've got to keep your head up.
And yes, puck_stopper, that's exactly what I was saying.. it's like you took the words right out of my mouth. | |
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Posted: 3/9/2007 7:42:05 PM | | Always most of the younger and American Fans rather enjoy watching this B.S Too. Perhaps dealing with them might help too. Drunk,obnoxious ,cheering cheap shots,get removed from the rink. Another option for Messier migh be what Lemiuex and Gretzky did,buy a gteam and do as you please. The power of the almighty dollar. Just Imagine what Campbell would do very quickly if Crosby got taken out indefinetely. | |
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Posted: 3/9/2007 9:54:04 PM | I have watched the simon and hollweg hit over and over to make sure I was right before I posted further... First off, there is not one media outlet saying the hollweg hit was dirty.... Find it, I will be happy to read it....His right glove was on the #1 and his left glove was on simon's shoulder.....he clearly hit him from the side....... it was a clean check......perhaps it caught simon by surprise, but whatever....
Simon will be dealt with... Hopefully in the same manor of games as McSorley and Bertuzzi....Nassau County is now debating whether to file charges against simon for the slash to the chin of hollweg.......
No matter what the NHL does, they seem unable or incapable of policing itself.... But I hardly think the police need to be called in...... | |
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Posted: 3/9/2007 10:55:01 PM | | Hollweg's hit was dirty. No doubt. It was straight from behind. But you're a 230 pounder on skates, that's a powerful force. You hold a wooden stick in your hands. That can act as a weapon. As a hockey player, you HAVE to control your emotions. He could have killed the guy. No excuses. Hollweg shouldn't have run him from behind, but Simon shouldn't have swung his stick like a ****ing moron. Guys get hit from behind all the time. | |
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Posted: 3/10/2007 2:24:58 AM | Blueshirt.. there's a reason junior hockey players have the "STOP" logo on the back of their jerseys.. it's to avoid stupid hits like Hollweg put on Simon. Either way you look at the initial hit, it was from behind. Where are the numbers on a players jersey located? His back, right? Need I go on?
Obviously Simon blew it big time, there's no defense for that, but you can't go on with the "could have, would have, should have" bullshit. A suspension is deserved, but nothing too major. At most, 10 games and a fine.
And yeah.. I totally agree with you, forget having charges laid against him.. that's rubbish. | |
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Posted: 3/10/2007 11:41:39 AM | | That be the only recourse if the league don't act accordingly. They could make the league make better rules and/or sue them for improper penalties. If the league was smart they would just suspend players until the victims can play again. Teams/players don't budget for fines. The game what the unfortunate majority of fans wish to see. If a crimminal act is commited,pay a deserved penalty for it. Junior Hockey tends to copy the pro game,because of monetary restrictions it can't tit for tat. Maybe the N.H.L should copy some Junior Hockey trends too. You do that in Junior,you just might never play again. If your coach tell you too,he may get suspended too. | |
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Posted: 3/10/2007 7:06:05 PM | | If this was in a house, and instead of a hockey stick, a baseball bat was used, should charges be laid then? | |
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Posted: 3/10/2007 7:53:18 PM | | What makes someone so mad that he would even think to swing his stick like that?? What was he on?? maybe test him to find out...Jail or anger Managment classes | |
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Posted: 3/11/2007 8:27:37 AM | | Suspended for the remainder of the season and playoffs.... But if he doesn't miss 25 games (i.e. if the Isles don't go far into the playoffs) this season, he makes them up next season. But no matter what, he's missing the rest of this season, even if the Isles make the Finals (which they won't) Darcy ****er had a similar suspension for elbowing Niedermayer once. | |
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