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Posted: 5/31/2007 7:56:40 PM | denial can be an ugly thing.....
some people never learn............
hey island joker... how often does a guy from the losing side get the Conn Smythe after a shameful playoff performance....... | |
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Posted: 6/1/2007 7:21:19 PM | "i just hate people that jump on a teams band wagon cause they are the only "canadian" team left. "
Oh, don't be so self-righteous!
There are 2 (TWO) teams left, one of which happens to be Canadian-based. If your gonna watch hockey, you might as well pull for one of them! (Just as you're pulling for the Ducks. But of course, THAT doesn't count as 'bandwagon-jumping', does it?)  | |
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Posted: 6/1/2007 8:29:45 PM | | well, like I said upandatem..."if it's a long series and they lose..." So far it doesn't look like it's going to be a long series. Granted, he hasn't looked good in the first two games of the finals (a sentence that can be repeated for every Ottawa player other than Emery). But how you can say Alfie has had a "shameful playoff performance" is beyond me. Apparently you didn't watch the first three rounds. | |
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Posted: 6/1/2007 9:53:32 PM | i have reasons why i want the ducks to win/sens to lose
1.i hate the sens
2. the sens were one of the teams that voted against the schudual change
3.Getzlaf. amazing young player
4.Selanne. cant wait to see him lift the cup
5. Niedermayer. one of the best defencemen ever
6.i love the way the ducks play the game
7.west is best(enless its the oilers or nucks)
8.the ducks just are a better team.
9.revenge for the sabers
10.sens have to many euro players
11.ducks have lots of good old canadian boys
12.most of you want the sens to win.
13.i hate ottawa
14.i hate ottawa
there you go alittle more then "well then sens are canadian so i must cheer for them" dont ya think. | |
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Posted: 6/1/2007 11:13:50 PM | and i wanna see Alfie lift the cup,
and i'm american cheering for a canadian team. i love my sens always have since they set up thier AHL team in binghamton.
anyway canada deserves teh cup its been 14 years, its canada's game canada's cup and its coming home!!!! | |
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Posted: 6/2/2007 6:30:33 AM | the common denominator in playoff hockey for the last20 years is NOT talent
no no no
it is desire....
many have said I am troglodite cherryesque and uninformed for bashing Euros but...
I have to ask myself how many hockey kids in Sweden grow up saying to themselves....... " I am going to win the Stanley Cup one day "...... | |
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Posted: 6/2/2007 6:54:21 AM | no there is tons of desire for the cup.....i have 2 amazing example that come to mind in the last 5 years even. the 04 flames and 06 oilers, plus the teams that beat them for the cup.
and the players in the last 20 are some of the most talented players to ever lace up skates. players are bigger, faster, better trained kno wmore about the game now more then they ever have. | |
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Posted: 6/2/2007 7:19:22 AM | yeah ... no joke...
and the Flames should have done better except the reffing was terrible...
which reminds me.....
If you love playoff hockey, do not bet in Vegas !!!
im talking old time hockey
and I call em as I see em ............ | |
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Posted: 6/2/2007 9:23:37 AM | "many have said I am troglodite cherryesque and uninformed for bashing Euros but...
I have to ask myself how many hockey kids in Sweden grow up saying to themselves....... " I am going to win the Stanley Cup one day "...... "
That argument in so 20 years ago!
How many hockey kids in S weden, or anywhere in Europe for that matter, grow up saying they are going to win the Stanley Cup one day? MOST OF THEM, NOW. At least most of them who play hockey.
Fact of the matter is this: Twenty, 30 years ago, the NHL was as foreign to Europeans as the Premier Soccer League was to North Americans, even more so.
Why?
Here's two words for you: television and, in the case of the majority of European hockey players, communism.
Very few families in Eastern bloc countries had television, even fewer had any kind of cable, and Satellite Television was nothing more than a concept. So I ask you, how were European kids supposed to know anything about the NHL. before the media market opened up there? They had no idea! The World Championships and the Olympics were the only major trophies the media thre ever focused on, so that's all they knew. They knew virtually nothing about the NHL, other than it was an "elite" league, that some of their better players go to. That's changed now. Ask Paul or Jan Statsny what the most important thing is to either of them...they won't tell you "the World Championships" or "The Olympics", a la Domenik Hasek, circa 1993. They will say it's to be able to raise the one thing that eluded their dad: the Stanley Cup.
The argument that European kids don't dream of the Stanley Cup growing up is as outdated as, well, as most of Don Cherry's arguments. Welcome to the 21st century, upandatom. Strap yourself in. It's going to be a bumpy ride. | |
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Posted: 6/2/2007 9:30:10 AM | yeah like you know how to pick a winner.....
sorry my opinions are not in vogue....
but thats just me.....
and I callem as I seeem
i am predicting if giguere keeps this up he is in for a Conn Smythe | |
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Posted: 6/2/2007 3:29:33 PM | "sorry my opinions are not in vogue....
but thats just me.....
and I callem as I seeem"
Yep...and everyone is entitled to an opinion - no matter how wrong it is. | |
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Posted: 6/2/2007 4:58:11 PM | " i have reasons why i want the ducks to win/sens to lose"
But they're called the DUCKS, for shyte's sake!! For that fact alone, they deserve to lose!! | |
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Posted: 6/2/2007 7:31:45 PM | Looks like the officials are staying true to form.
Vicious elbow by Pronger on McAmmond; no doubt that it should have been at LEAST a major penalty and...no call.
If the NHL wants to be taken seriously, they have GOT to do something about the officiating. How in hell could TWO referees not see something so obvious? Un-f**king-believable!!!!
One can only hope that, once they see the video in the league offices, then Pronger will get his just rewards. | |
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Posted: 6/2/2007 8:32:17 PM | ^^^i missed it. i was working on something on here and talking on the phone at the same time. my chums called from ottawa after the game to 1) rub it in and 2) tell me the radio stations down there are saying Pronger could get at least 1 game, and even possibly be gone for the series. I'm not sure how they figure gone for the series, but apparently that's what they're hearing on the radio down there.
good good game by the sens though...alfie and neal, kelley, fisher and volchenkov really played well...redden, heatley and spezza can still show up and make this a good series | |
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Posted: 6/2/2007 9:25:41 PM | ...and not only did they NOT call Pronger on the elbow, but a few minutes later they DO call Getzlaf for 'holding' when, from the replay, it appears he only brushed the Ottawa player off the puck! WTF?!?! Pretty sad...
Probably do better with Stevie Wonder calling the games...
(But, at least the replay officials made the right call on the goal. Definitely NOT a kicking motion until AFTER the puck was in the net.)
I STILL say Sens in 6. | |
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Posted: 6/2/2007 10:43:36 PM | i dunno...that one replay they showed from the back view of the players coming into the play with the numbers on the backs of the sweaters showing, showed me an early leg motion by Alfie to get his leg in position to deflect it in anyway...
i've seen alfie play enuff to know he can be a sneaky little begger sometimes, plus he was pretty nonchalant heading over to the bench to do the high fives with the benchmates as it pretty much looked like he was telling his mates it wasn't going to count as he was shaking his head in a no motion to his mates....
just glad it wasn't a real determining factor in the eventual outcome. Ottawa was going to win that game if it killed them They had to show up and they did.
As ofr the reffing...it's been brutal for a few years...that's nothing new...there's been a few bad calls right from the get go in this series including the very early one in game 1 agains the ducks...bad reffing just seems to go with the NHL these days. I wonder if they had 6 refs out there if it would be any better, but you're right, the reffing sukks in this league anymore...too too inconsistent with the calling of some stuff and not of other stuff. | |
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Posted: 6/3/2007 7:11:06 AM | 2+2= ???
Like I said.... if you dont like the reffing .... do NOT bet on these games !
its killing the sport , especially in the playoffs
Neal was a force ( reminds me of Clarke)
Anaheim looked intimidated by the crowd (yes its a factor )
This game was Game 1 in reverse... with Ottawa donimating 50 minutes of the play ....
but thats just me and
I callem as I see em | |
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Posted: 6/3/2007 2:41:48 PM | "Like I said.... if you dont like the reffing .... do NOT bet on these games ! "
Hell, I wouldn't bet on ANY game...period!!
Any team on any given day is capable of totally sucking!!!
Oh yeah, at least Pronger got one game. Better than nothing and probably a good compromise. Wouldn't want a long suspension having too much effect on the eventual outcome of the series. | |
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Posted: 6/3/2007 4:29:24 PM | ^^^what about the Neal highstick...and for all the beaking off that neal is doing about Pronger, it wasn't so long ago that he got off scott free for lambasting briere of the Sabres to the head near the end of the season...and they're both the same size...
with Mcammond back on his skates on the play Pronger's close to a foot above the guy...he's 6'8" on skates...if i was coming down on Chara or Pronger it would be hard for them to not hit me in the head when a defenceman hits like he's coached to hit...Gordie Howe, Tim Horton and Mark Messier must just be shaking their head at what a game for wusses this has evolved into
but one game it is...the show must go on
when Burke asked Colin Campbell about the Neal highstick he was told to mind his own business...lol...excuse me Colin? duh...he's the GM for a team where one of his guys gets suspended and one of his guys gets highsticked...how is one his business, and one isn't?
...Colin Campbell's a joke...he was a lousy coach, a mediocre player, and a piss poor NHL exec. | |
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Posted: 6/3/2007 4:31:34 PM | My theory on the refs, is I can not stand people telling me how to do my job, so I will not tell them how to do their job. Yes I will admit i think they make some bad calls during a game but when the bad calls work to the DUCKS advantage I am not complaining.
Ducks will win the Stanley Cup.
Mark my word they are the better team.
They also have some great players in the minors that will be going up over the next couple years. They should stay strong in the furure. | |
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Posted: 6/3/2007 5:36:43 PM | | pronger got a 1 game suspension. | |
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Posted: 6/3/2007 6:07:53 PM | ^^^b1tching about refs and umpires and field judges just comes with the turf in sports...two refs at either end are usually inconsistent in how they call their game, and it shows night after night.
and i agree that the Ducks are the better team..especially considering redden, heatley and spezza haven't checked in yet.
we'll know by next week if they're the champions.
the changes made to the game two years ago have improved the game's artistry fantastically...much much better than those frigging marathon double and triple overtime 2-1 games with the clutching and grabbing all night long. 7, 8 10 years ago..but the bottom line is the league allowed the clutching and grabbing to creep back into the game...it had been eliminated in the mid 70's when the high flying habs dethroned the Broad Street bullies out of Philly...
all the highsticking is Hockey Canada's baby born some 30 years ago...when I coached the bantams and the peewees and the atoms and the midgets, the game changed when everyone had to wear the cages around the heads...safe for the kids? i don't think so
twenty years ago you never saw any concussions. period. none. thirty years ago when no one wore a helmet, same thing...with the one exception Bill Masterton. Now these guys go out there literally with body armor under the jerseys and crush people. You ever seen an elbow pad these days? Have a friend hit you upside the head with one...they're as hard as rock. it's actually an oxymoron to call it a 'pad'.
and twenty, twenty five years ago, the high sticking wasn't there at all. Oh there was highsticking minors for sure, but not what you see with high sticks up going into corners to get the puck or fencing and jousting for the puck in the neutral zone.. How the hell are you supposed to get the puck with your stick up around your shoulders? But you put these great big cages around these kids heads and guess what..all these little toddlers are now NHL players. You reap what you sow.
you remember old time hockey? Rule number one was keep your stick on the ice. In order to take a pass. Once the kids started with the cages, they became superhuman in their own minds. Now most nights, each team plays about a third of the game shorthanded. What is that? that's not hockey. that's special teams shinny. whoever gets the most powerplays usually wins. ...bettman would be happy if the score is 14-12 like a lacrosse game. Remember he hasn't the first clue about hockey and never will. he's a basketball fan. His buddy is David Stern of the NBA.
Last night was rock 'em sock 'em robust affair, and tomorrow night, expect the same. A lot of these guys know damn well this could be the closest they ever get to having their name on that Cup, and they're going to fight for it.
Familiarity breeds contempt and these two teams are now officially getting on each others nerves. May and neal will go, and probably a few others like Beauchemin.
Anaheims defence will be exploited missing Pronger and the home ice last change advantage. Sens though have to watch themselves. They're very much despised around the league for their smugness when they roll up a big score in a big win, and that's why the Sabres took no prisoners last year. they heard the jokes from when Ottawa ran up the score on them in October and November. They better not make that same mistake after tomorrow night, because Carlyle's got lots of savvy and moxy in him as well.
There, now i have to get back to work here. That's my rant.lol | |
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Posted: 6/3/2007 6:39:46 PM | I mist admit, I didn't see that particular play. But then, I managed to be out of the room for the first three Sens goals, too!!
"when Burke asked Colin Campbell about the Neal highstick he was told to mind his own business...lol...excuse me Colin? duh...he's the GM for a team where one of his guys gets suspended and one of his guys gets highsticked...how is one his business, and one isn't?
...Colin Campbell's a joke...he was a lousy coach, a mediocre player, and a piss poor NHL exec."
That's kind of funny when you think about it.
Remember way back in '95 when Burke had Campbell's job? Remember that chickensh*t hit from behind by Claude "LePuke" LeMieux on Chris Draper? Remember how many games LeMieux got for that? Exactly!! ZERO!!!! So really, Burke shouldn't be complaining...
All in all, this shouldn't have too much effect either way on the outcome of the series. | |
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Posted: 6/3/2007 7:55:24 PM | yes grog, i do remember that play, and really it is kind of funny when you think about it...for that he got nothing, but for Pronger's hit, a guy who logs over 30 minutes a game, he gets a game suspension in the finals...so really what sense does that make? How many games did neal get when he hammered briere at the end of the season? For that matter, how many games did Magnus Arvedson get for highsticking and basically destroying and carving out Bryan berard's eye and his potentially all-star career when we had him on the leafs defence..there's no consistency in this stuff. Dale Hunter on the capitals got what 21 games in 93/94 for running Pierre Turgeon thru he boards?
and draper's none the worse for wear 12 years later, 3 cups, an olympic gold, plus a bunch of other junk over at the worlds here and there...i mean if i want to watch figure skating, i'll watch it too, but i want to watch some hockey...the fastest game on earth
and don't give me this hawgwash that we're still trying to sell the game in the States and that's why we have to suspend people for using an elbow. Please. The game in the States was in better shape before numbnuts Bettman came along and trashed the game...now it's a friggin' 'niche' sport in the states. Less popular than flukking beach volleyball for cryin' out loud. You can't even find it he's got it on some outdoor living channel or whatever.
get rid of bettman, put some hockey men in like gretz, Stevey Y, the MessyMan, Super Mario, and Chelly ( if he ever gets off the ice) to resell this game. Stop with the namby pamby bullsh1t suspensions, or, just take hitting out of the game altogether, or make them go back to wearing pads; i.e. hockey pads, as opposed to 'protective' equipment. God these players drop like flies with these concussions anymore. It has to be the gear they're wearing. You can't tell me Prongers elbows are harder than Howes, Messiers, tim Hortons or Scotty Stevens.
These suspensions are bogus, and really this one to Pronger is a crock of sh1t because i was under the impression that because Pronger got one back in the Detroit series, this one should be even more severe. Am I wrong on that? But obviously one game isn't a deterrent if you take Campbell's approach that the damn elbow was so heinous in the first place. Kick Colin Campbell to the curb after this series. Either give the guy a real time suspension commensurate with a 2nd offence or say it wasn't worth suspending him at all. this one game is a brutal call by Campbell. Kick him to the curb. | |
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Posted: 6/3/2007 8:39:28 PM | "For that matter, how many games did Magnus Arvedson get for highsticking and basically destroying and carving out Bryan berard's eye and his potentially all-star career when we had him on the leafs defence..there's no consistency in this stuff. "
That was a "no fault" accident. It was the follow-through of a slap shot and the stick was no higher than mid-chest level when it caught Berard in the face. berard was leaning forward, trying to poke check the shooter. The high sticking rule clearly states that the follow through of a slap shot is not considered high sticking, nor should it be. And trust me on this, if I can understand that rule, everyone should be able to. That's exactly how I lost my right eye. | |
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