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Posted: 6/3/2007 8:39:41 PM | "and don't give me this hawgwash that we're still trying to sell the game in the States and that's why we have to suspend people for using an elbow."
Wouldn't dream of it!! As far as I'm concerned, that's a waste of time. Americans would rather watch bowling or poker than hockey, so we should spend more time catering to markets that DO care. Better to have teams in Saskatoon, Winnipeg and Quebec City than Nashville, Carolina and Atlanta.
As for that Berard incident, you're right; that is a bit of a mystery. Only explanation I can think of was because it occurred on the follow-through of the shot Arvedson was taking at the time. Who the hell knows? For all we know, they could decide on suspensions by interpreting chicken entrails. | |
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Posted: 6/3/2007 9:05:50 PM | i'm sorry to hear that islandjokester
i thought mine was gone in 1990 with an errant stick in old mans league stuff...badly detached retina...felt like some body poured all of miami beach into my eye. Took two weeks before i could see anything at all out of the one eye...months before it was normal. i was kinda scared to be honest with you...
i thought the arvedson thing was accidental and it seemed to have screwed his career up even more than berards to be honest with you. He never played well after that and left the game a couple of years later. I think he really took it to heart what happened, so you're right, it was a poor example.
But Sundin's opening night injury last year was accidental too from an errant stick...too many errant sticks flying around the game these days. We never had all these stick gashes twenty five, thirty years ago, unless it was somebody like Bobby Clarke deliberately going up near Sittler's eyes on the backcheck. or say ted green and Chico maki bashing each other over the head with sticks to the point green needed a plate put in his head.
i still believe all this cutting is from making the kids wear the cages years ago. Now they don't listen about keeping their sticks down. Maybe someday we'll talk about the fine institutional kid's grist mill known as Hockey Canada. i help a couple of guys help kids get scholarships for the American colleges when they get signed up to a couple of renegade leagues starting up here in Ontario last year , and some slowly making their way west. | |
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Posted: 6/3/2007 9:47:31 PM | "i still believe all this cutting is from making the kids wear the cages years ago."
That's certainly a big part of it, but not just the cages – ALL the equipment. Remember the shoulder pads we used to wear? It still hurt like heck if you took a cross check or a puck to the upper arms. The gear kids wear nowadays is, as much as it sounds silly, almost over-protective, in that they all feel invincible. Because of it, the stick is no longer considered dangerous. But yeah, I remember going to a minor hockey game in the late 80s and watching the kids skating with their sticks all up near their necks. Why? Because there was no danger of getting hit in the face. OR at least that's the only explanation I could come up with.
All that said, it's time for the NHL to incorporate mandatory visors. How many more superstars have to get seriously injured before they take charge? Could you imagine if Sidney Crosby were to lose an eye next year? All they'd be talking about would be the fact that, if he were still in junior, he would have been wearing a visor. Remember, despite all he's done in the NHL to this point in his career, he is still a junior-aged player. | |
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Posted: 6/3/2007 10:17:50 PM | sad but yep i have to agree...but to me there was nothing like watching lafleur or lanny or Sittler flying up ice with the puck with their hair flying behind them...i think that's part of why it's a harder sell nowadays even in our own country .Hard to recognize who's who out on the ice with all the helmets and visors. i got lots of chums that play all year round that don't follow the big leagues anymore.
They'res still some pretty distinguishable skaters out there, but we just ended an era where some of the best all time ever played. from Bourque, messier, Yzerman, Hull, lemieux, gretz, oates, Larry Murphy, ronny francis. lots of guys sitting at the top of statistics have just left the game in the last few years. Like I honestly can't remember a weaker set of defencemen representing us internationally than the team we iced last year for the olympics...that's not to slag anybody, but mccabe and redden are two of this country's best D men. yikes, that's telling.
We've hit a bit of a vacuum here now that's being filled by the Europeans. lidstrom, Forsberg, ovechkin, malkin. We don't have too many crosby's or Stahls floating around out there, so i really think Hockey canada needs to take a hard look at what it is they're really generating besides a bunch of tired out kids that can't get to college because of some of the ridiculous rules they have in place..
plus it's getting harder and harder each year for parents to keep coming up with the dough. it's no wonder soccer's growing so much. Frig a cheap stick is over thirty bucks. My buddy's selling rebellion hockey sticks for way over two hundred bucks for some. My first year in bantam, soup to nuts gear, skates, sticks and registration was about $125. Gas was 60 cents a gallon. Now here its about 4.50.
My chum forked out close to ten grand this past year to have his kid play for a travelling team, and that didn't include helping the parents down south with the billetting costs. He got a couple of offers to play in the states next year, so maybe it's going to pay off for the kid. Now he'll get himself an edumacation while his school basically pays him to play hockey. Something Hockey Canada's just not into. | |
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Posted: 6/3/2007 10:30:48 PM | yeah
i miss the speedy image of the great skaters
and the power of the hit in the old equipment... it must feel like running into a marshmellow with all the stuff theyve got on ....  | |
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Posted: 6/3/2007 11:40:41 PM | Well I certainly agree about the cost and yes, I believe that has a lot to do with the increase in soccer interest (actually more kids registered in soccer in Canada now than hockey), but I can't say that it has hurt us...yet.
When you look at the last Olympics you mention Redden and Mccabe. Well, McCabe wasn't on that team and don't forget, we also had the likes of Rob Blake, Chris Pronger and Scott Neidermeyer. I would take them over the top three of any team in that tournament...only Sweden, with Lidstrom, Ohlund and Norstrom could challenge...and they drop off considerably with their bottom 3 (backman, kim johnsson and kenny johnsson)
Now, looking at current rosters, the top 5 scorers this season were all Canadian (as well as 8 of the top 10), so I'd say we're doing pretty well there. And of all those players, only Joe Sakic is over 30 years old.
Two of the three Norris trophy finalists are Canadian (Pronger, Niedermeyer), although I expect Lidstrom to win again. But you could argue that Phaneuf is the fourth-best out there...certainly top eight...and the best defenceman in the world under 25 years old.
Goalies? Well, Roberto Luongo, as well as both goalies in the Stanley Cup finals, not to mention Brodeur, (even though you can't call him the future of the sport) all immediately come to mind.
So I think Canada stacks up pretty well for the next decade or so. As for past that who knows? I guess that depends heavily on how much it costs to play hockey as a youngster in Europe these days ha ha. | |
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Posted: 6/4/2007 12:55:46 AM | ya i keep forgetting about that Phaneuf. We don't get to see him enough out here. He's awesome. McCabe was a back up or his shoulder or his back was screwed or something , but i don't think he's championship calibre at all. He whines a lot about the press and just seems to have a negative attitude a lot of times when they interview him.
Pronger to me is the consummate defenceman even though neidermayer's a helluva skater., But i wonder how many years left he has in him. He's played a lot of hockey in Jersey before heading west. Blake's on his last legs as well. Sounds like he was hangin' them up until he agreed to sign on one more year to help mentor young jack johnson.
Sakic's winding it down as well...even though he looks like he could go another decade the way he leads his club. He's an amazing professional.
I suppose you're right. i think when the Czechs won in 98 and with the Swedes winning last time out, it's set the tone that the gap has shrunk. Russia's no longer Russia so they're clubs have spread the talent pool around. Mind you, if anything, that 72 Series taught us not to take our greatness at the game for granted. We won that one by a whisker. I can't figure out why our juniors seem to dominate so many years. I don't know if it's better coaching or what.
Quebec's always cranked out top notch goalies. That's their forte for some reason. i think Marty will go down with the best numbers when he's all done, and he doesn't show any signs of letting up just yet. he should catch Sawchuck and Roy in whatever categories he hasn't caught up to yet.
Maybe I'm wrong. maybe gretz should have brought some of the youngsters last year like crosby and Stahl. mario and Stevie y dropping out throws pretty much the torch to Super Joe. Class by himself now it seems. I doubt we'll see him in 2010 but who knows. I t will be interesting to see. I like lecavellier's game. He's got tremendous upper body strength. Reminds a bit of Sittler how strong he really is.
Roger Nielson used to bring the Leafs to U of Waterloo for pre season conditioning minicamps back in the day...77/78. You'd think Sittler was a bodybuilder. He still looks great today. So maybe you're right about our game not being all that bad. I still think nowadays though the great Canadian dream of being in the NHL isn't anything like it was 2 generations ago and that's why Hockey Canada needs to take a closer look at some of the ways they're doing things. it was pretty easy to recruit a lot of these kids to come and play in our new Greater Metro Hockey league. Parents want these kids getting an education, and if we keep actively working with the American colleges, then the parents see the benefit in passing up the chance of playing in the Big OHL.
We look at the game differently now than when we did back then. Parents want thier kids getting good schooling . And that's where Hockey Canada is losing a lot of the kids.
Much has changed since i was a kid watching the Old Hamilton Red Wings with Paul Henderson and Jimmy Rutherford at the old Barton Street Arena taking on the likes of Marcel Dionne and Derek Sanderson and others when the Kitchener Rangers or the St Catherines Black Hawks or the Niagara falls Flyers (Bruins property) came to town. Plus the Montreal junior canadiens and the old storied Marlie franchise was in that loop as well. It was canadians only back in those days. Later the red Wings, after 74, became in 76 the Fincups after the two owners Finochio and Cupido, two hamilton businessmen. Marlies won it all in 75...with mark napier and John Tonelli and John Anderson, dennis maruk.
The hamilton Fincups were a helluva hockey club with dale mcCourt, Al secord, Rick Walmsley, Rick Seiling, Willey Huber, Steve hazlett, Mike keating, Doug shedden and a bunch more. 21 of those players made it to the bigs from their 76 memorial Cup winner. Templeton was the coach. They beat new Westminster, but then the bruins came back and won it the next two years and of their two championship teams, just a whack of the players made it to the NHL including Bubba beck, Ron greshner, Billy ranford, Stan smyl, Glen anderson, Mike Allison, John ogrodnick, brad maxwell, glen hanlon.
Seems like a long time ago. Different era for sure. | |
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Posted: 6/4/2007 7:54:40 AM | "You'd think Sittler was a bodybuilder"
That says tons about the man's character. Back then you'd see as many pro hockey players smoke a pack of cigarettes the day after the game as go to the gym. Nowadays they're all ripped, but back then? Now there's a guy who never took his job and lifestyle for granted.
The biggest problem with Hockey Canada, in competing with US scholarships, is that HC doesn't promote itself properly. It seems that every parent realizes that if their boy plays one major junior game in Canada, he foregoes any and all US scholarship eligibility. But far too many of those parents know NOTHING about HC's scholarship program (one year paid at a Canadian University for each year played in the WHL/OHL/QMJHL). I know parents who have held their sons out of the WHL Bantam Draft because they didn't want to take away the possibility of US scholarships. They felt it would do their sons more damage to be drafted int he W then tell that team "no, I'm not interested in coming to a training camp". When I told them about the Canadian scholarships available, they claimed total ignorance. That's certainly the local scouts' faults, as much as anyone's. If I were scouting a kid, I would make sure his parents knew all about the options available to that boy. | |
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Posted: 6/4/2007 1:11:43 PM | Yeah...I didn't think Arvedsson sounded right.
I though McCabe was injured for the Olympics but I see that he Bouwmeester were late additions. I stand corrected. | |
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Posted: 6/4/2007 2:59:25 PM | you guys are gettin' me all confused here...lol...i just checked the record books...it was hossa, and yes mccabe did play...6 games; 0 points, 18 penalty minutes...i thought he played, but i also thought he played hurt, or cried that he hurt his back when he got back...
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2006 Olympic Roster
Goaltenders
30 Martin Brodeur - New Jersey Devils
1 Roberto Luongo - Vancouver Canucks
35 Marty Turco - Dallas Stars
Defencemen
4 Rob Blake (A) - Los Angeles Kings
3 Jay Bouwmeester* - Florida Panthers
52 Adam Foote - Columbus Blue Jackets
24 Bryan McCabe** - Toronto Maple Leafs
44 Chris Pronger (A) - Anaheim Ducks
6 Wade Redden - Ottawa Senators
28 Robyn Regehr - Calgary Flames
Forwards
14 Todd Bertuzzi - Detroit Red Wings
9 Shane Doan - Phoenix Coyotes
33 Kris Draper - Detroit Red Wings
21 Simon Gagne (A) - Philadelphia Flyers
15 Dany Heatley - Ottawa Senators
12 Jarome Iginla (A) - Calgary Flames
40 Vincent Lecavalier - Tampa Bay Lightning
61 Rick Nash - Columbus Blue Jackets
39 Brad Richards - Tampa Bay Lightning
91 Joe Sakic (C) - Colorado Avalanche
94 Ryan Smyth - New York Islanders
26 Martin St. Louis - Tampa Bay Lightning
97 Joe Thornton - San Jose Sharks
Reserves
Dan Boyle*** - Tampa Bay Lightning
Jason Spezza - Ottawa Senators
Eric Staal - Carolina Hurricanes
*Was on the reserves replacing Bryan McCabe; replaced Scott Niedermayer - Anaheim Ducks
**Was on the reserves; replaced Ed Jovanovski - Phoenix Coyotes
***Replaced Jay Bouwmeester who was on the reserves replacing Bryan McCabe - Toronto Maple Leafs
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there...clear as mud now...Phaneuf wasn't there. I thought he was | |
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Posted: 6/4/2007 6:10:55 PM | | see grapes going on tonight about today's elbow pads in the NHL on Coaches Corner...who wouldn't get a concussion getting hit with one of those...they look like something out of RoboCop | |
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Posted: 6/5/2007 7:45:25 PM | grog msg 3898: ""I mist admit, I didn't see that particular play."" (the neal hit)
here's a few for your scrapbook:
Neil with a vicious elbow to the head of McDonald 6/2/07
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG99kRovlZI
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Daniel Alfredsson shoots the puck on Niedermayer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAuj_AMnMGM
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Ottawa Senators Daniel Alfredsson Shoots Puck SCF 4 Jun 2007
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-ObT_MrPH8&mode=related&search=
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hit on Dean McAmmond by Chris Pronger - 6/2/07
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg5_tK1vDX0&mode=related&search=
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Selanne hits Pronger
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ej9C8Jbs2U&mode=related&search= | |
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Posted: 6/10/2007 10:44:43 PM | jokester, i thought this little tidbit might be of interest to you on the renegade junior leagues my chums are trying to get up and running here in good ol' Ontariario:
The End of Major Junior Hockey?
There is discussion that several of the top prospects selected in the Ontario Hockey League’s Priority Selection will not be reporting for training camp. It seems that many of these players have shown interest in the NCAA Route rather than the Major Junior route. Many believe that his could be the beginning of the end of Major Junior, some feel it is run like a “baby pro league”. So far some unconfirmed reports state that the following players did not report for (major junior) training camp:
Mitch Lebar (5 overall)-University/College Unknown, reported to be playing for St. Micheal’s Buzzers
Ethan Werek (9 overall)-Boston University
Cam Fowler (18 overall)-Notre Dame
Jordan Mayer (13 overall)- University/College Unknown, reported to be playing for Kingston Voyageurs
It doesn’t seem likely that Matthew Duchene (5 overall) will be attending training camp either as he is suppose to be playing in Michigan State (NCAA).
June 11th, 2007
http://hockeynews.wordpress.com/
if you want to blog on:
http://hockeynews.wordpress.com/2007/06/11/the-end-of-major-junior-hockey/ | |
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Posted: 6/14/2007 10:22:51 PM | NHL Hands out it's Hardware:
Sid scores hatrick
Crosby takes home three awards
Vigneault wins Jack Adams Award as NHL coach of the year
Crosby wins Pearson Award
Brind'Amour captures second straight Selke Trophy
Malkin takes Calder Trophy
Datsyuk repeat winner of Lady Byng
Brodeur takes third Vezina Trophy
Lidstrom wins fifth Norris Trophy
Vinny Lecavalier, a finalist for the Pearson, got the Maurice Richard Trophy
Phil Kessel of the Boston Bruins, who completed his rookie season after being diagnosed in December with testicular cancer, received the Bill Masterton Memorial Trophy for perseverance, sportsmanship and dedication to hockey.
Montreal Canadiens captain Saku Koivu won the King Clancy Memorial Trophy for humanitarianism for his work with charities. Koivu battled and beat non-Hodgkins lymphoma.
SID the Kid:
The youngest player in league history to win the Art Ross Trophy as scoring champion won the Hart Trophy from writers as most valuable player and the Pearson Award from his peers as most outstanding player. Crosby was recently named captain of the Pittsburgh Penguins.
http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL/Awards/2007/06/15/4261998-cp.html
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Posted: 6/16/2007 4:04:57 PM | So proud of my ducks ..knew they would do it from the start of the season. Now we are on pins and needles till July 1st to see who will stay. Rumors are scott and selanne will retire... Giggy wants to stay with the ducks...hope they make it happen. Did you see Giggy skating with mini giggy? so cute and baby giggy in the cup? precious
'sigh' 3 months till hockey!! | |
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Posted: 6/17/2007 6:58:17 AM | Who wants a GM? Going cheap??! Seems like the Toronto Sun newspaper has a track on Muckler that he might be shown the door. We should know by Monday morning if the Sens are going to put Muck out to pasture.
I thought he did a good job getting a good group of players together. No WOW trades but mostly pretty solid over the years.
Anyone in Oil Country want Mucks back? | |
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Posted: 6/18/2007 2:48:13 PM | ^^^yep, you called it: after two days or unsubstantiated rumours;
It's official: Muckler's out
Murray new GM; Sens look for coach
http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL/Ottawa/2007/06/18/4270518-sun.html
So if i'm reading between the lines correctly, they gas Muckler with a year left on his contract to bump Murray upstairs as GM to ensure they can hire assistant John Paddock who was rumored to be going to fill the vacant Bruins job??...
Time will tell on this one. I'm not a great Muckler fan, and for the record I'm a Leaf fan, but I think this move is wierd to say the least...finally their team makes it to the Cup final after knocking on the door for the better part of a decade, and they gas the GM. Wierd stuff...
and we know John Paddock has respect around the league...so does Colin Campbell for that matter. But they both have histories of being mediocre coaches at best. I realize paddock's not signed as yet, but, it sounds like it's gonna happen.
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Posted: 6/19/2007 4:24:16 AM | | How typical of Ottawa, trashing their GM even though they got to the Stanley Cup Finals? What a lack of Class, they resemble the Politicans in that city. I hope they tank next season, and Muckler gets last laugh. John Paddock was not successful as a coach, why didn't they re sign Murray as coach and keep Muckler? Both did a good job, pay them their money and take a second shot! | |
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Posted: 6/19/2007 4:58:49 AM | | because they are idiots like in vancouver... giving up burke was like scoring on their own goalie... a lot of pain and shame ..... | |
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Posted: 6/19/2007 9:40:18 AM | Troy, I would agree with you, the Burke firing made no sense either and Vancouver really paid for that bungle. Now Ottawa drop your pants and bend over as you are going to pay when the season starts too! | |
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Posted: 6/19/2007 10:18:44 AM | thats probably the main reason i pulled for the Ducks in the finals. I can't believe the Canucks let Burke walk out the door after making them into a decent contender with no goalie...now they have the goalie, but a weaker team i think
this ottawa move i think might come back to haunt them...Murray is the leading candidate for a 'nice-guy' thread on the dating forums here. He's been the bridesmaid several times and has never really won anything anywhere he's gone, other than Executive of the year the year his Panthers got swept by Colorado in the Finals
...has to be that he's from the ottawa area...the whole thing is illogical...Muckler's helped with 5 Cup winners....Ottawa wants a Cup. So they go with the guy that's never won one. He's built some good core teams...the Caps never missed the playoffs, the Ducks 5 years ago, the Panthers one run to the Cup final in 96 and helped put the pieces of the red Wings together in the early 90's...but still no Cup...
I wonder sometimes if these hockey club owners have much in the way of brains...or maybe more money than brains... | |
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Posted: 6/19/2007 10:36:32 AM | | i've got one of my friends (yes, i have more than one) checking to see if sid brought any of his awards home to pittsburgh. seeing that he still lives with mario can you imagine the hardware in that house? | |
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Posted: 6/20/2007 11:02:25 AM | here's the latest odds on who's getting the coaching job in ottawa:
ODDS ARE ...
- John Paddock: Senators assistant coach is the leading candidate: 2-1
- Randy Cunneyworth: Former Senators captain is a hot commodity: 5-1
- Dale Hunter: OHL coach played for Senators GM Bryan Murray in Washington: 10-1
- Pat Quinn: Ex-Leafs coach would make the Battle of Ontario interesting again: 15-1
- Pat Burns: Former Gatineau cop will likely return to the Devils: 500-1
- Brent Sutter: He turned down his brother in Calgary: 1,000-1
http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL/Ottawa/2007/06/20/4275675-sun.html
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and good old Cujo wants the backup job in Toronto behind raycroft
http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL/Toronto/2007/06/20/4275688-sun.html | |
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Posted: 6/20/2007 3:37:31 PM | Any thoughts on the Nashville Preds coming to Ontario?
Hearing that the new ownership wants then in Hamilton.
I say it's a great idea,but TO is up in arms about the location...too close. | |
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