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Msg: 3951 | |
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Posted: 6/27/2007 9:38:02 AM | Well i am in B.C...and the Canucks biggest mistake was firing Burke.
He leaves Vancouver, goes to Anaheim and brings the cup to California.
Who the hell is running that Vancouver team anyway. Doh what a mistake. | |
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Joined: 10/14/2006
Msg: 3952 | |
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Posted: 6/28/2007 11:24:53 PM | | Liking the Toskola trade. come on leaf fans what ya'll think? | |
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Posted: 6/29/2007 12:22:46 AM | i like the bell part of the deal. It's gonna be the icing on the cake . The kid grew up just outside of Stratford, was picked 8th overall after 4 years with Killer Kilrea and the Ottawa 67's. He's due for a good year this year and could end up being a dominant power forward in the east for the leafs.
Toskala opens some doors for Ferguson if he wants to he could probably unload Raycroft in a package deal...toskala's a good goalie.
This is a good deal for the leafs. | |
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Posted: 6/29/2007 11:07:23 PM | "Well i am in B.C...and the Canucks biggest mistake was firing Burke."
Didn't you have the feeling this would happen, though? The minute I heard that Backstabber Stan had gotten rid of Burke, I figured it would come back to haunt the team. And, of course, that little prick McCammon isn't around to see the results of , or take the responsibility for, his work. | |
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Posted: 6/30/2007 12:18:23 AM | Well, that may be so, but Nonis's trade of Bertuzzi for Luongo checkmates any deal Burke made - INCLUDING the Naslund/Stojanov deal.
The 'Nucks may not do much this July, but next July, when the likes of Lidstron, Heatley and Thornton are UFAs, Nonis will have a lot of money freed up. Let's see what he does then, because THAT'S the crop that can make a true difference. Any one of those guys can turn a team on the cusp into a bona fide Stanley Cup contender. I don't know that you can say that about any of the marquis free agents this year. | |
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Joined: 10/14/2006
Msg: 3956 | |
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Posted: 6/30/2007 12:36:53 AM | I'd take Burke over Nonis anyday.
Yes Luongo was a good trade but certainly the Canucks are still lacking in several areas. Scoring being one of them. Defence is weak too.
Cancucks cant afford a Thornton or any real big name as they tied up all kind of money with Naslund, Sedins and Luongo. | |
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Posted: 6/30/2007 8:40:57 AM | Definitely the Canucks are still lacking in several areas. But consider this: their top paid scorers (Naslund, Sedins, Morrison) are all Burke guys. Their top paid defencemen (Salo, Ohlund) are Burke guys. So when you complain about their lack of scoring and their poor defence, you must accept that Brian Burke's a big reason for that. His prints are still all over the core of the team. It is this "core" that Vancouver fans have been pleading with management to keep together.
Now, when you have a core of six players (including Luongo) that ties up 75% of your entire payroll, you are going to have to find the filler within the system and THAT is where Brian Burke failed Canuck fans miserably. The Canucks spent so much of 2000-2005 trying to find the one piece of the puzzle that eluded them (a goalie) that they completely sacrificed their farm system. That takes many years to rebuild.
Don't misinterpret this as me being a Nonis fan. I'm neither a Nonis fan nor a fan of the Vancouver Canucks, which actually allows me to study this argument with full objectivity. Look at it this way. The Canucks had as good, or better, a season in 06/07 as they ever did with Burke as the GM. In fact, with a franchise high in points (105) and wins (49) the argument that the 06/07 season was the Canucks' best ever does hold some weight. Yes, they lost in the second round of the playoffs, which is, incidentally, as far as they ever got during the Brian Burke era. The difference this time is that they lost to the eventual Stanley Cup champions., as opposed to the Minnesota Wild.
As for not being able to afford a really big name, I think you may have missed the point. They can't afford such a name this year, but next year a lot of their money is freed up. I can think of $10M off the top of my head in Morrison and Naslund, that will be free money. Mind you, by this time next year, Thornton and Heatley could easily fetch up to $11M each. | |
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Joined: 10/14/2006
Msg: 3958 | |
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Posted: 6/30/2007 11:54:31 AM | Hey, you make some good points. But i still think Burke did well in Vancouver. Naslund had an off year. But i still think he his suffers the blows of losing his buddy Bert. Sedins have turned out to be great young pick ups. Salo and Ohlund are good defencemen and good moves by Burke. He brought a competitive team and gave Vancouver fans something to cheer about.
What Nonis needs to do is get some depth into this team now. Look at the Ducks and all you see is depth and consistency throughtout there line up.
I didnt miss your point about a bigger name. 10M is nice but that is not available to them unless they trade or let Morrison and Naslund go to free agency. There still part of the team and Nonis may very well re sign them or at least one of them. Where's the money going to come from if there re signed? The only extra available cash is the increased cap room. | |
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Posted: 6/30/2007 2:34:01 PM | There's no doubt Burke did well in Vancouver, particularly from a financial view. He completely turned the team around, financially speaking, from one of the NHL dogs to one of the top 3 teams in the league, profit-wise.
As for Naslund and Morrison, I don't expect either of them to be re-signed by Vancouver. Naslund has always maintained that he will retire at the end of this contract and Morrison has been too much of a media (and fan) whipping boy for the 'Nucks to re-sign. So there's $10M right there. Add to that possibly an extra $10M in cap room, from what it was this year, to what it will be by 2008 ($55M, if it goes up accordingly) and the Canucks will have truckloads of money to spend by next summer. | |
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Joined: 10/14/2006
Msg: 3960 | |
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Posted: 6/30/2007 6:59:29 PM | The cap room has gone up by 6M.
Morrison is expendable. But i doubt the Nucks will give up on Naslund. They will re sign him if he chooses to continue to play.
I still dont see all this money you speak off lol. Your simply speculating. | |
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Posted: 6/30/2007 8:25:22 PM | "I still dont see all this money you speak off lol. Your simply speculating"
Yes I'm speculating...any prediction, regardless how likely, is - technically speaking - a speculation. The cap went from $39M in 05/06 to $44M last year. Then another $6.3M this year. Over 11M in the past two summers. It's actually a conservative estimate saying it will go up by another 5M next season. Please don't tell me you actually think the cap will DROP any time soon. Quite frankly, looking at it now, two years after the lockout, it's starting to look like the players won!
I am also "speculating" that Morrison will be gone after the 2007/08 season, if not sooner. That's just my gut feeling. I'm allowed that, am I not?
As for Naslund, again, I guess I'm speculating (just as you are speculating that the Canucks will not give up on him), but he has never given me any reason not to believe him, and he has contended more than once that this current contract will be his last in the NHL. And even if it isn't, do you think he can still command $6M a year, considering he is no longer a first-line player? Does he deserve to make nearly as much as the twins do together? | |
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Joined: 10/14/2006
Msg: 3962 | |
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Posted: 7/1/2007 1:02:29 PM | i never said the cap will drop.
i agree Morrison is expendable...see up above. i doubt he'll be in Vancouver longer. Speculating LOL
As for Naslund, with his off season, we will have to see if he rebounds this year.
Sundin just got 5.5 M so yes i still think Naslund is that kind of player. Perhaps Vancouver will not be able to afford it but i think he is the type of player who can command 5M. Yes he derseves it because he has been consistent over the years.
The twins are young (only had one good year so far) and have not proven themselves yet which is why they get paid less. Naslund is invaluable in leadership and other areas that the twins do not compare.
Free agents are up for grabs today. Will be interesting to see what teams makes moves.
I bet Toronto will jump in there. Cant wait. | |
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Posted: 7/1/2007 1:43:50 PM | Tom Poti 3.5M??? WTF??? Did Bob Clarke just resurrect in Washington??? | |
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Posted: 7/1/2007 6:28:59 PM | I want to throw this out there for any of you slapstick artists to take a poke at.... Hockey is not what it once was ......
My favorite complaints include
1. Trying to market the sport to an uninterested southern US market.
2. Las Vegas and other bookmakers
3. Gary Bettman, can we put him on skates for just one season to see if he has the will to survive............  | |
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Joined: 10/14/2006
Msg: 3965 | |
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Posted: 7/1/2007 7:12:06 PM | Leafs add some scoring punch with 40 goal scorer Jason Blake.
i think this is a pretty good move, as Blake's production had increased every year.
Was hoping for a bigger name but nonetheless not a bad signing.
Wow Gomez is a good player but getting over 7 million per year...that is what Thornton gets and Joe is a much better all round player.
The NY Rangers i tell you are a big reasons players salaries keep rising as this large market team along with a few others set the tone by signing players to more than market value.
I dont blame the players. But it sure makes it tough for the smaller Canadian markets to compete. Now how is Edmonton going to re sign Smyth? He is going to want in the 6M range and that just may be to steep for the Oilers. I hope he goes back. | |
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Posted: 7/1/2007 7:44:15 PM | I am quite happy with the rangers signing of Gomez AND Drury today... If you got the money, spend it.. Especially on the 2 best players out there......
That excuse of the rangers driving salaries up is getting old.... Everyone is under the same cap..... Briere's signing today got the ball rolling and someone was going to sign them for that kinda money anyways...... Rangers were actually smart for a couple of years in how they spent their money.... Otherwise they wouldn't have it today to spend.....
Jason Blake to the leafs is a kick ass signing also... FINALLY someone to play with Mats who can put the puck in the net........ | |
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Joined: 10/14/2006
Msg: 3967 | |
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Posted: 7/1/2007 8:04:17 PM | The Rangers are a classic team that blows up salaries. Its not old its True.
I just give yu a taste. Look at the multi million dollar deal NY gave Holik. LOL Come on if that kind of signing does not drive up salaries i donno what does. | |
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Posted: 7/1/2007 9:10:07 PM | Ny is where stars are put out to pasture .......... 
Its only after being in the league for 10 years that a name gets recognized in nyc, I guess its not so bad
Ny is where stars are put out to pasture ..........
Its only after being in the league for 10 years that a name gets recognized in nyc, I guess its not so bad | |
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Posted: 7/1/2007 9:15:34 PM | Holik was a total bust on the rangers.... No doubt about it... But the entire team sucked then and having him as their #1 center when he isn't one, was the problem......
BTW, the red wings had the highest payroll the year before the strike... Not the rangers..... We can also add the flyers and leafs to this mix can't we???
Troy, why do you post things twice??? Just wondering.....
Drury is 30 and Gomez is 27.. Hardly out to pasture....... Gomez will only be 34 at the end of this deal.... | |
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Posted: 7/1/2007 9:23:43 PM | Ooooh a hockey chick 
I post twice or as many times as it takes to satisfy the moderators word count saying my messages arent too short, its really annoying
Your right those guys are young, but Ive never heard of them, so maybe they arent worth the money.... am i wrong ... or?
Ok maybe Drury isnt so bad, and he's been in the league only 9 years....... | |
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Joined: 10/14/2006
Msg: 3971 | |
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Posted: 7/1/2007 9:24:53 PM | Well the Flyers and Leafs certainly have not signed average players and made them multimillions as often as the Rangers have.
But yes i can think of McCabe a good defensive but certainly not worth as much as he is getting.
Briere who just signed with the Flyers is worth the money.
Gomez is a good player but not in Briere or Thornton range. Yet Gomez got a contract of the same value as these players.
The Rangers just seem to over pay players the most in attempt to get the players. Its allowed so be it but i think its a shame for the smaller markets who are trying to compete. Yes the salary cap helps but do we see The Oilers, Flames, Canucks or any Canadian team for that matter aside from the leafs winning on these bidding wars that the Rangers seem to always win? | |
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Posted: 7/1/2007 9:47:11 PM | avs sign ryan smyth 5 years 31.25 M, oilers trade their other smith, their captain, karya signs 3 year deal with blues...
excellent signing of blake for leafs
why is rob neidermayer thinking of retiring at 33? | |
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Posted: 7/1/2007 10:26:56 PM | Actually it's Scott who is thinking of retiring not Rob.......
The floor to the cap is 34.5 mil... So all teams have to be either at it or over...... Believe it or not, the rangers dumping their junk at the deadline before the strike is what put them where they are today.....
There can't be many people who think Briere is a better player than Gomez.... LOL.... Certainly not when you take into consideration the teams they played for... Briere on a high scoring offensive minded team and Gomez on a boring defensive minded team...
Tonight I feel bad for Ted Nolan... Sure I hate the Islanders being a rangers fan, but he did a great job on the Island last season and is now left with NOTHING..... Losing Smyth, Poti, Kozlov, Blake and Zednik.... What a mess on the Island once again......
Jason Blake will be great on Sundin's wing.... He finally get's someone with grit and goal scoring ability...... Mats doesn't need to make him look good..... | |
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Posted: 7/1/2007 10:56:33 PM | tsn is now reporting the edmonton oilers have signed Michel Nylander.. No terms as yet...... He was great the past 2 years playing with Jagr..... Was really cheap also..... Just came off a 83 point season.... I am sorry to see him go though....
I wouldn't be feeling so sorry for the smaller teams.... they signed Nylander and made a pretty good trade.. The flames signed someone also...... | |
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Posted: 7/2/2007 6:04:32 AM | yes blueshirt babe, thanks for the correction. I meant Scott.
Must drive GM's nuts to sign a guy to the 4 years he wanted and then think about retiring after playing two of them.
Schneider helps the Ducks in case Neidermayer does retire, but, a tough guy to try and replace...33 years old with 4 Cups | |
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