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| flames will win the cup. Posted: 8/30/2007 8:23:28 PM | i hope the leafs do not touch Forsberg. Didnt think they had the cap room remaining anyway. He has been hurt so much i cannot remember the last time he actually played a full season or even close to a full season. Forsberg would be a waste of money imo. Please stay a rumour. | |
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| flames will win the cup. Posted: 8/30/2007 8:45:56 PM | Let me guess...Al Strachan started this rumour, at told to him by his "inside sources" Most of Al's inside sources are inside his head | |
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| flames will win the cup. Posted: 8/30/2007 8:59:39 PM | you said Phaneuf and Hamerlik are inseparable than trade phaneuf to the Habs we will be happy do to the loss of Sheldon Souray "phaneuf plays better with a right hander next to him." Since when? Phaneuf was almost inseparable from Hamrlik last year and clearly struggled when Hamrlik missed games the season before, due to injury. If Phaneuf plays better with a right hander next to him, why would he and Hamrik have been partners for 2 straight seasons? Edmonton built great def this year but dont have the offence any more CAROLINA SHOULD OF LOST THERE IS SAID IT
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| flames will win the cup. Posted: 8/30/2007 9:08:38 PM | | I don't see the point of the Leafs signing Forsberg. They should be developing youth, and playing what they have now. Adding an aging veteran will only keep them stuck in mediocrity like they've been the past decade or so. | |
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| flames will win the cup. Posted: 8/30/2007 9:17:50 PM | "Adding an aging veteran will only keep them stuck in mediocrity like they've been the past decade or so. "
But isn't that the status quo in TO? Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if they end up signing Roenick  | |
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| flames will win the cup. Posted: 8/30/2007 9:58:48 PM | ^^^^thats about to change in the next little while
Steen has developed nicely and is a solid two way player. Wellwood is heading there as well. Last year he was on a role until he got hurt. Look out for him. Kyle is loaded with talent and very skilled. A great play maker for Mats and whomever replaces Sundin down the road.
Poggee (Remember in the World Junior's)? is the leafs most promising goalie inawhile. A great prospect to help the leafs in net. The leafs have some upcoming youth that look good. The stuck in veteran mediocricity is changing. I just hope Fergie does not puck it up. | |
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| flames will win the cup. Posted: 8/30/2007 10:46:00 PM | """. The stuck in veteran mediocricity is changing. I just hope Fergie does not puck it up.""" Does that mean you hope we can finish ninth again.? The stuck in veteran mediocrity from 93 to 04 gave us some of our best years since the 60's and our brief flirt with being good in the mid 70's.
Fletcher started it getting Gilmour and Quinn carried it on after the Fletcher days passed.
Hey if Roenick could shut his mouth and play for us the way he played against us in 03, it would be well worth the gamble. Put him and Tucker out there and you've got a real pair of shitheads on the ice. Add forsberg into the mix and the Leafs corp of C- to B- young forwards and defencemen could make for a competitive year.
As it sits right now they haven't done too much to improve their squad significantly, and are a good bet to finish out of the dance again unless the islanders and Sabres really tail off. They need vets to show the young guys the way. Kaberle, McCabe, Tucker, have never won anything nor been to Finals. Sundin captained an Olympic gold medal. Not real strong in the leadership category for a squad as a whole. This squad lacks guts and has since Roberts left town. Both Roenick and especially Forsberg have those qualities.
Lots of folks around the league figure Roenick's good for one more year. I personally can't stand the guy, But him and Tucker sure dished it out to each other pretty good in that series just a few years back. If he becomes a Leaf, then he's a Leaf. | |
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| flames will win the cup. Posted: 8/30/2007 11:51:14 PM | "Lots of folks around the league figure Roenick's good for one more year. " Outside Roenick and his agent, name me three of those folks. | |
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| flames will win the cup. Posted: 8/31/2007 12:40:29 AM | chelios, avery, and yzerman are just a couple of folks I've seen this summer on sports talk shows say he's still got some hockey left in him.
He's still got one year left in him, Anyway, he can't be any worse a signing than jeff oneil, jason Allison, Lindros, or my all time fave, three players for 15 games out of Brian leetch, just to name a couple of boneheaded signings the last couple of years. Ya. let's hope ferguson doesn't puck it up any more than he has been. he may actually manage us to a tenth place finish.
Roenick hasn't officially retired. He recanted his retirement earlier this summer on TSN show with Michael landsberg. He didn't exactly get overused last year at Phoenix, so it probably did him good to have so much downtime. I could see a team taking a chance on him on a cheap contract. | |
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| flames will win the cup. Posted: 8/31/2007 9:21:19 AM | Yep I agree. Toronto should sign Jeremy Roenick. Can you say "41 and counting"  | |
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| flames will win the cup. Posted: 8/31/2007 10:41:33 PM | Roenick, sure if you could get him for a Linden type contract 700,000 or so. Anymore would not be worth it.
Leafs dont need Roenick. They have tucker and Belak and more than enough tough guys. Roberts is who they should have brought back. His grit is valuable and he is not done like JR. | |
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| flames will win the cup. Posted: 9/1/2007 9:15:36 AM |
Can you say "41 and counting ha ha ha jokester. But not according to our newest legitimate source...young Alex Steen:
Alex Steen believes he'll finally be getting his first taste of the Stanley Cup playoffs this spring....This is going to be the best year so far,"...Last year when we were healthy, we had a great team and we didn't lose too many guys other than Michael Peca. We've got some great additions with Jason Blake, Vesa Toskala and Mark Bell. http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL/Toronto/2007/08/31/4460892-sun.html Yep. Sounds like money in the bank to me...lol
Now about them thar Oilers:
Oilers are a mystery ...If Shawn Horcoff bounces back, if Jarrett Stoll stays healthy, if Penner develops chemistry with Ales Hemsky, if Robert Nilsson seizes the day on the second line, if the Oiler powerplay vastly improves with the additions Joni Pitkanen and Sheldon Souray ...
If all those things happen, the Oilers make strides and might make the playoffs.
In my mind, three playoff teams in the West did not improve in the off-season: Nashville, Dallas and Vancouver.
The Predators are in fire-sale mode and could plummet rapidly.Dallas is aging rapidly and remains offensively challenged. The Canucks did not upgrade and are one Roberto Luongo injury or one cold streak away from being in trouble.
The problem for the Oilers is that some other non-playoff teams in the West have improved on paper, including Colorado, St. Louis and Los Angeles
...The Avs, who only missed the playoffs by one point last season, brought in character up front with the addition of Ryan Smyth and solidified their defence with Scott Hannan.
St. Louis was a different team after Andy Murray came aboard as head coach last season and now former No. 1 overall pick Erik Johnson is in the mix - along with Paul Kariya.
The Kings basically added a second line with the additions of Michael Handzus and Ladislav Nagy.
So though the Oilers should be much better in 2007-08 and with an actual transition game might score 220 goals, they still might not crack the Top 10 in the Western Conference, let alone make the playoffs. http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL/Ottawa/2007/09/01/4463433-sun.html
I'll go way out on a limb here and predict Leafs finish higher than Oilers in the overall standings. ---------- Pucks, are you kidding me about this Leaf team being tough enough? The way this team continually gave it up in the third periods last year makes them one of the most gutless teams in NHL history. They play like sissies.
Belak and Tucker as our tough guys? Ooooo, I'm sure that thought brings fear to the opposition. Tucks plays with his heart on his sleeve but couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag. Besides if he's going to be any good to this hockey club, we need 30 plus goals from the Sideshow freakshow he normally has been year after year.
Belak for sure is tough enough...but once he's handles a cat like McGratton up in Ottawa, who gets to deal wiith Chris neal?
They have tucker and Belak and more than enough tough guys Please. That statement hardly warrants a response. Take the weekend to find out if there's ever been a team in NHL history that gave up more third period leads. More than enough tough guys...what a joke. They looked like a bunch of pansies last year the way they let teams push them off the puck in the third periods. They're not even tough enough to play three periods of hockey. Bell and Blake should help, but then again, anything would help. Hopefully we can crack the top ten in the East. | |
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| flames will win the cup. Posted: 9/1/2007 9:44:13 AM | Sly - your newest reliable source is talking about playing his first playoff game. One's first taste of playoff hockey rarely coincides with one's first sip from the Mug.
I certainly ageee that there are a lot of IFs surrounding the Oilers, but if all the ifs you mentioned come to be, never mind the playoffs, heck, they'd be Stanley Cup contenders
As for the second line, I see Robbie Schremp mking the jump ahead of Nilsson. He would have made last year's team had he acted like an adult in training camp. My guess is that he shuts his yap this year and plays his way onto the team, rather than talking his way off it. The kid's got bona fide NHL talent. He just needs to grow up in a hurry....but then again, Lowe knew that risk when he drafted him. That's why he was still available so late in the first round. He's been a bit of a loose cannon most of his life.
"The Canucks did not upgrade and are one Roberto Luongo injury or one cold streak away from being in trouble." The same holds true for Calgary and Kipper.
As for the other non-playoff teams, yes Colorado improved and I expect them to take Nashville's spot this year. But LA and St. Louis ALWAYS seem to look good on paper in August lol.
There's no question about it, Edmonton will be in tough to make the playoffs, or even crack the top 10. But I think, just like every season (it seems), in the West,your team could miss the division title by three points and miss the playoffs by one. | |
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| flames will win the cup. Posted: 9/1/2007 11:38:18 AM | Sly, "that statment hardly warrants a response"
then why are you responding?
If you think JR would add toughness to the leafs that is a sad thought.
Tucker has fought. He is short and not big like some of the other so called tough guys but he is no sissy like you say. He is loaded with grit and heart and is a great pest. Most teams would love to have this guy.
Neil is the biggest chicken shit i have ever seen. Anyone on the leafs could handle that boob. | |
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| flames will win the cup. Posted: 9/1/2007 11:56:48 AM | You need to improve your reading skills pucks. It was the entire team that was said to play like sissies...show me a team in NHL history that gave up more third period leads. I didn't say Tucker was a sissy, I said he was asideshow freakshow. And he very often loses focus on what's important...winning the game. I do believe however that with the birth of a child he's finally starting to grow up to be the type of player he was over a dozen years ago leading his club to memorial Cups with Kamloops. Hopefully he'll stay focussed on what's important...winning the game, and scoring goals. Apart from last season, he's been a bust to date.
I also never said i wanted JR on our club. I said personally i couldn't stand the guy. You twist words pucks. Try coming up with something intelligent for a change on here. Go back and find where I said that I wanted Roenick on the leafs. I said i could see a team picking him up on a cheap contract.
And if anyone on our leaf squad could handle that boob Neil, then why is it only Belak that's prepared to dance with him. Neil took a couple of rounds out of Domi so many times that it was belak that had to stand in and do the policing...So who on the leafs do you suppose could take neil?
By the way, I think neil is a chicken shit cheap shot artist as well, and he'll get his eventually in this league. No worries there. He has become a marked man in the league with all his cheap shots the last few years. He'll get his. | |
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| flames will win the cup. Posted: 9/1/2007 12:37:12 PM | i was talking toughness not talking about giving up third period leads. This is a matter of defence, discipline and team play is it not.
Tucker may be a freakshow, and i love it. A beautiful pest that opponents hate to play against. He can score goals too and is awesome in front of the net on the powerplay.
Domi handled Neil just fine. And i do not see Neil going up against Belak...why ? coz he knows he'll get creamed. Even McCabe could cream Neil.
Spare me your baloney about an intelligent response. This is a sports forum. Go debate with nerds on an educational site if it is not intelligent enough for you here. | |
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| flames will win the cup. Posted: 9/1/2007 5:15:20 PM |
Domi handled Neil just fine. And i do not see Neil going up against Belak...why ? coz he knows he'll get creamed. Even McCabe could cream Neil. And you wonder why people say Leaf fans are stupid?
Here's a cornucopia of fights for you. Tucker can't even take Fisher , Kovalev or Paul mara(an ex-Wolves by the way, Fisher)...let alone think about Neil
Domi retired since he got wupped time after time by Neil and McGratton. Belak hangs on like a ragdoll in his fights to save his ugly mug
and McCabe? Please. My mother could wup that pansy. he needs Ed Belfour to save him against Ovechkin.
Enjoy.
Neil takes Domi down http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS4i18Rtr_w
Neil takes Domi Jan 23rd, 2006 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0J4roTj9S4&mode=related&search=
McGratton using belak for a punching bag while belak turtles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDt-7Q6owyM&mode=related&search=
McGrattan vs Belak Round 2 (10/24/06) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl3QtAXGakA&mode=related&search=
Mcgrattan levels Domi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbTn47zmbnc&mode=related&search=
McGrattan ko's Domi(in a one punch fight) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB-On1ZAk98&mode=related&search=
Domi hangs on for dear life against McGratton http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEuu0Vt-z4M
Belak runs out of gas against neil: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIbuOV6FAA4&mode=related&search=
Belak gets a draw with McGratton: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn_ltv_8UUU&mode=related&search=
McCabe? Give me a break. My sister could wup McCabe. McCabe needed belfour to fight Ovechkin for him:
Chara treats McCabe like a ragdoll... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMWLFca67ng
Ovechkin fights McCabe and Belfour http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOTrgb8BisU
Here's some hilites, or I guess you'd call them lowlights as to McCabes ability, or I guess it would be called inability, to play defence. No wonder your hero Ferguson jr, signed him to such a grossly over valued contract. Bryan McCabe - Is it worth it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp7iKFfo_0c
McCabes little sissy fit, or is that hissyfit? Leafs @ Sabres Brian McCabe... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yaa-BXMSVIs
Here's one for your little boyfriend Tucks: Darcy Tucker Sucks-This is a video montage of Darcy Tucker of the Toronto Maple Leafs getting hit, beat up, etc. Darcy Tucker is the king of cheap shots in the NHL. You reap what you sow http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb9v6c84QKM
Tucker can't even handle Kovalev: Alexei Kovalev elbows and fights Darcy Tucker http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3CcEOH6W0A
Paul Mara ( a non-fighter) fights Darcy Tucker http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayAjMu8ApCI
Bouillon teaches Darcy Tucker a lesson (another one punch fight) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vPURa95SvQ
Bouillon knocks out Tucker http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HHwZdwV_CI&mode=related&search=
Fisher double owns Tucker in spite of Tucker instigating http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1fvGjurF6s&mode=related&search=
Easy pickins for Fisher http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps-rouW_Rf0&mode=related&search=
i love this cuz darcy tucker is a b1tch and gets rocked http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drMp4VlDpqQ
2 brother in laws get handed their asses on a platter: Bates vs Tucker, Corson vs Cairns Apr 28, 2002 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRPU7Z9fdDM&mode=related&search= | |
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| flames will win the cup. Posted: 9/1/2007 5:52:57 PM | ^^^i could easily post youtube and other links showing fights Tucker has won.
BTW i'm a hockey fan. I like numerous teams not just the leafs. You call yourself a leaf fan? maybe i am mistaken but if you are ,your a sad fan who should start cheering for the Sens since you love cheap shot Neil.
Your posting fights of Domi in the late stages of his career. He was a much better scrapper in his younger days, dont forget that.
im not here to argue with you. Im here to express my opinion and enjoy the chit chat with civil people. This is a public forum...Remember that ohhh intelligent one.
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| flames will win the cup. Posted: 9/1/2007 6:06:17 PM |
i could easily post youtube and other links showing fights Tucker has won Yes he did beat Eaves once
You call yourself a leaf fan? maybe i am mistaken but if you are ,your a sad fan who should start cheering for the Sens since you love cheap shot Neil. No it's you that's sad pucks. You live in a delusional mindset thinking the Leafs are presently tough enough to match up with the contenders. And you think Ferguson is doing a good job leading our team to two consecutive ninth place finishes. Right.
Leaf fans; real Leaf fans, want success on the ice, not some friggin' sideshow to cover up the fact they cant't even make it to the playoffs. You think ferguson Jr's. doing a good job? And you call yourself a Leaf fan? You're a joke, and fans like you are the reason the Leafs can continue to ice a substandard product. Because you'll still keep justifying their mediocrity. OTEP laffs at clowns like you.
Recognize your denial of the fact that the Leafs have just plain sucked the last two years, and have no mental toughness to finish a game, let alone physical toughness.
You want to keep cheering and living in denial that a ninth place team is good, well good luck with that.
Again you've twisted words which seems to be the only way you know how to respond on forums. Go back and reread what I said about neil and then go choke on your twisting words. When you recognize the fact that the Leafs have been getting manhandled by other clubs for the last two years, then you may come out of the "stupid" doghouse mentality you presently house yourself in.
If you can make that step, then there may yet be hope for real Leaf fans that actually understand hockey. | |
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| flames will never win the cup. Posted: 9/1/2007 6:17:06 PM | "i could easily post youtube and other links showing fights Tucker has won."
You'd be hard pressed to fina a list as long as the one sly just posted of him losing fights lol.
I hate darcy Tucker, personally...which means I'd love him if he played on my team. That's the way it works. Oiler fans are the only ones that liked Esa Tikkanen. Flames fans adored Theo Fleury, while the rest of the league hated his turtling antics. Guys like that are a real value to the team they play on, as long as they know their role. | |
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| flames will never win the cup. Posted: 9/1/2007 7:10:09 PM | Quite right jokester. Every team needs a Claude Lemieux, a tikkanen, a Tucker, a Neil.
The point is this. Maple Leaf Sports Entertainment is a two headed monster with the Leafs and the Raptors. The company has to "sell" raptors basketball because those fans aren't as mindless as leaf fans with their mindless "Go leafs Go" chant like 6 year old scoolboy ninnies. So what do they do? They bring in a new GM. A GM that actually knows the game of basketball. And in less than 12 weeks this guy retools the franchise, salary cap and all to go from a perenial loser to Conference champs.
Meanwhile back at the ranch, MapleLeaf Sports Entertainment doesn't have to sell the Leafs. Countless thousands, probably millions stay true to the blue and white, no matter how frikking brutal they are year in and year out.. They pack the building every night. They have like a 25 year waitng list to get seasons tickets to go watch a mediocre product.
Every time someone mentions that John Ferguson Jr. is doing a good job, or that the leafs will be better next year, I want to put my fist thru the morons empty head for being so retardedly and mindlessly stupid. Look at what Collangelo did with the Raptors.
Would the Oilers fans support a losing product? NO. Would the Flames fans go in droves if they knew their team sucked the big one? NO. Same with the Habs and same with the Canucks. But not those good old braindead Leaf fans. Go leafs Go and oh maybe next year, has become their mantra.
And this other guy is a clown to suggest I'm sad as a Leaf fan. That's like saying anyone that critcizes george Bush is unpatriotic. Right. keep drifting along willis.
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| flames will win the cup. Posted: 9/1/2007 8:24:27 PM | Sly, Yes i think the leafs are plenty tough enough. There are other areas more pressing that the Leafs need to address.
Where did i say Ferguson has done a good job? It is you who needs to learn how to read. I also never said the leafs have done well the past couple years.. I am anti Ferguson. So get your head out of your ass and quit assuming.
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| long post ahead Posted: 9/1/2007 8:33:02 PM | Normally, I consider Damien Cox to be another one of these gonads that never put skates on in his life, like Strachan and several other sportswriters. But he hit point earlier this summer when the Leafs upper brass were playing their little games trying to appease Leaf nation into believing they were actually going to try and improve this hockey club to make it a Stanley Cup contender.
The Big Lie-July 06, 2007 LONDON--Truth has often been the first casualty of many a Leaf off-season. Like, say, this one...
Whether Muckler will take the job, if offered, isn't clear. First of all, he'd like to know what the job would be, which nobody seems to really know. Second, he would want to make sure that he wasn't seen as a threat to GM John Ferguson, and so might insist that he wouldn't be able to join the organization without Ferguson getting some contractual security beyond next season.
But really, hockey is not what this is all about. You can see that all the way from these lawns of Wimbledon.
This is not about the Maple Leafs looking to add depth, experience and expertise to their hockey department. In fact, it could add confusion, disagreement and dissension... This is not like having grandpa clipping hedges in the backyard, available if you need to know how to find a good plumber.
Anyways, as mentioned, none of this is about hockey.
This is about Leaf politics, pure and simple. This is Peddie and his political allies giving in to the demands of Tanenbaum and his allies, but not totally.Tanenbaum and Co. want Ferguson out, and have successfully made sure, at least so far, that the promises made to extend Ferguson's contract by the end of June have not yet be kept.Peddie, the epitome of a corporate politician, supports Ferguson, but understands a little compromise will buy him - and JFJ - some time to stabilize the status quo.
So you pretend, through the addition of a Muckler or someone like him, to be improving the team's hockey office, when in reality what's going on is jostling for positions of strength at the MLSE board of directors level.
Make it about hockey if you want. But that's not what this is. Not even for a second.
Meanwhile, somewhere along the way, insiders say, Tanenbaum and Peddie became estranged, which has left them on opposite sides of the Ferguson divide.Now, Tanenbaum and his buddies believe they've got Ferguson and Peddie on the run, having achieved clearance to hire Muckler or another senior hockey person.
Peddie, a survivor if there ever there was one, probably believes he's held the Tanenbaum forces at bay for now.
Can you believe this guy? "We think (Ferguson) has lots more upside." So, four years after they hired him, they believe Ferguson has almost got things figured out? Does that mean they were lying their asses off when they hired him and said they were trying to win the Stanley Cup immediately?
Meanwhile, the Ontario Teachers Pension Fund just worries about counting dollars.
It's all rather interesting, if not really new, and the manner in which Ferguson sorts things out with the person that presumably is going to be hired will be just as interesting as the Andrew Raycroft-Vesa Toskala goaltending competition.
Just don't believe it's about making the hockey team better. http://thestar.blogs.com/thespin/2007/07/the-big-lie.html ----------------- Lots of interesting feedback on this column and on the other sports, hockey and Leaf forums I roam around in. Here's some real hockey fan's take on things:
I love it, being a Habs fan. Toronto is nothing but about "CORPORATE" and making money. I really wish the Toronto public would boycott the "LEAFS", don't buy tickets, etc and you would see a Stanley Cup parade in Toronto within a couple of years.
But being a HABS fan, I really don't want that, so thanks Ontario Teachers and MLSE, keep up the good work. Go Habs Go
Another great article, Damien, explaining the convuluted politics in the front office, which, inevitably, as many people have suggested, have absolutely affected the performance of the team.
It seems like everyone agrees with Ron Wagnell (except about the Habs being the best) that simply not paying for this crappy product will bring about change. Yet, year after year, they sell out and decade after decade, the problem persists.
My point: even disinterested (in hockey), mercenary, big business OTPP will be forced to make effective changes if nobody supported the team and they lost money from MLSE! Until Toronto enacts tough love, it will never change.
Maybe the majority shareholders (Teachers) are Senators fans. Why would they not step in and fix the hockey side the way the basketball side was fixed? Are they happy being perceived as laughingstocks?
The Leafs continue their dysfunctional ways ad nauseum. How is this startling news? Isn't one definition of insanity "doing the same thing over and over again but expecting a different result"? Maybe that's why they just signed another goalie. How can anybody cheer for this team? They do the same thing over and over again, but Leaf fans drink the Kool-Aid and expect a different result.
It's been forty years, figure it out. Stop rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic and jump into a lifeboat. There are 29 Carpathia's out there ready to save you and your sanity. Even the Habs who, if I'm not mistaken, have won 10 Cups since the Leafs last won.
Players don't really seem to want to play in Toronto; instead, they just enjoy collecting overpaid salaries (see Brian McCabe among others). If they truly wanted to PLAY in Toronto, they wouldn't have missed the playoffs two years in a row.
This consultant's job reminds me of the Groucho Marx quote, the one where he says he wouldn't want to join a club that would have him as a member. Who would want to be part of this? As much as I think JFJ is not the guy to build this team, I have empathy for him. Basically they're saying they made a mistake but are willing to live with it because he's got promise. Huh?
In their current state, the Toronto Maple Leafs are not a hockey club in the conventional hockey sense, but rather, they are little more than a slam-dunk "investment vehicle".
Simply put, the suits at MLSE and the Ontario Teacher's Pension Fund have a captive audience of corporate customers in this city that will gladly pay many thousands of escalating dollars every year to entertain clients, suppliers, mistresses and anyone else that doesn't know or care about this hockey team winning anything in our lifetime.
The best ownership model in the NHL that has consistently striven for excellence and results would be Mike Illitch and his Detroit Red Wings. Singular ownership with the singular goal of winning the Stanley Cup every year and then hiring and allowing due autonomy to the most competent hockey minds in the industry.
I am not a Red Wing fan, but why would anyone care to be a Leaf supporter with the circus-like calamity it has consistently been for 40 years?
Nothing will change until the Leafs managerial hierarchy is completely gutted. The ownership group and this medieval-style "board of governors" should have absolutely no jurisdiction in daily hockey operations. They need to be beaten back to the limited capacity of owners/investors in a risk-managed asset.
Afterward, hire a director of hockey operations who knows hockey and is the main man for anything that happens under the hockey umbrella, have an experienced GM be given autonomy to make good decisions reporting to him, and a head coach to mould it all together.
Until this happens, Leaf fans can cheer themselves hoarse, but it will be in vain.
It just goes to show you that when you loose focus on the real game of hockey, you make up other games.
I've grown up watching and defending the Leafs over the past 4 decades. Reading Damien's article has just infuriated me as to the lack of respect this organization has provided it's fans. So what do we do? Do season's ticket holders give up their seats? Do we refuse to purchase Leaf's merchandise going forward? Do we stop watching the games on TSN and CBC? Not being a season's ticket holder, I will certainly turn this team off until it can demonstrate to me that it will have an organization in place that puts customer's first and are committed to providing a quality product on the ice. Until then, they can go to hell!
People, the only way to change things is to stop going to games. Watch something else when there's a Leafs game on. Otherwise you have nothing to complain about
Damien, you have surprised me. For the first time ever you have written something that I totally agree with. I can't wait until Jim Basilie succeeds in moving another team into Southern Ontario. I will be first in line for the t-shirt with the Leaf logo stroked out and the new team's logo prominently displayed. I'm fed up with MLSE, and can't stand Buffalo. Just give me an alternative... please....any alternative.
Ahhh, this year'll be different. I just know it. Ha Ha Ha Ha.
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| long post ahead Posted: 9/1/2007 8:59:24 PM | Eaves is not the only one Tucker took care off. I will only speak of what i remember from watching da man last season.
Ask Avery how he is feeling after the big blow Tucker landed in last year's fight Pest vs Pest and Tuck had the better punches landing.
Why dont you ask Jannsen how he was feeling once Tucker droped the gloves with him. A much heavier and taller oppenent. Do you remember the hit on Sundin?. Yup Tuck took matters into his own hands the next time they played and provided a little pay back for hitting captino.
I am not going to post all kinds of links like you have. Those are just 3 fights i remember where Tucker stood up for his captian and his team.
In Tucker we Trust.
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| long post ahead Posted: 9/1/2007 10:04:11 PM | People!! What's with all this yakking about the Make Be-Leafs?!? I thought this was a HOCKEY thread!!
How about some observations on that rather lame "super" series between Canada and Russia? What a bust that's turning out to be!! I was hoping the Russians would at least make a series of it, but it's turning out the way many thought the '72 series would go; pretty much total domination by Canada. | |
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