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Joined: 10/14/2006
Msg: 4301 | |
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Posted: 9/19/2007 9:54:40 PM | Duh yourself dipshit. Wow Emery has one good year, Whoopdee dooo.
Rollie was horrible last year. So what he was in the Cup Final for a few off the games in the series. If recollection serves me right, it was Pronger who led that team to the Cup finals not Rollie.
So whatever, like i give a hoot if you only agree with one third of that comment. | |
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Posted: 9/19/2007 11:43:15 PM | "Wow Emery has one good year, Whoopdee dooo."
Yep....that's one more good year than Biron has had. So where's the comparison?
"If recollection serves me right, it was Pronger who led that team to the Cup finals not Rollie."
Your recollection serves you incorrectly. Rollie was a frontrunner for the Conn Smythe before getting run over in the Finals.
Sometimes it's better to keep quiet and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt pucks. As for your adolescent name calling, nice touch. And really, if you honestly didn't give a hoot about my opinion, why did you feel compelled to respond to it? | |
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Posted: 9/20/2007 7:16:46 AM | | what the hell is wrong with you island lol im with pucks on this one. Emery and Rollie didnt do major things on the road to the finals. without Volchenkov blocking half the shots that went towards the net..emery would of got killed | |
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Posted: 9/20/2007 8:52:38 AM | "im with pucks on this one. Emery and Rollie didnt do major things on the road to the finals."
Actually, you should read the discussion chiefs. Nowehere in it does pucks say anything about Emery and Rollie not doing major things on the road to the finals.
Pucks was saying that Biron was the same as Emery and Roloson. I said he wasn't because Emery and Roloson have made it to the Stanley Cup finals. Martin Biron has never even played a playoff game. How the heck can he be the same as Emery and Roloson?
I agree with you chiefs, that Emery wasn't the main reason that the Sens got to the Cup final but if you think Roloson wasn't a MAJOR factor in the Oilers' run, then you didn't watch those playoffs. I repeat - he was a frontrunner for the Conn Smythe. Yes, Pronger was as well, but Roloson was amazing. Flat out amazing.
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Joined: 10/14/2006
Msg: 4305 | |
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Posted: 9/20/2007 9:35:54 AM | making to the stanley cup finals is a team effort.
When comparing goalies, goals against average, save percentage, wins etc are best for determining comparables.
Emery had not played a playoff game either til last year. Biron will get his chance this year as i believe the Flyers will make the playoffs.
Back to Rollie,
you state,,,,"he was a frontrunner for the Conn Smythe"....yadda yadda puhhleasee...Rolie injured his knee and was knocked out of the Cups Finals. She he'd have no chance at winning this award. In addition there were several Oilers who were candidates for the award including Pronger. Horcroff also had a good playoff/point per game, Pisani had 7 goals in 11 games, then there's the heart and soul Ryan Smyth who took pucks in the face and that did not keep him out of the run.
Pronger btw, averaged 33 minutes of playing time during the cup run. He was on the ice more than half the game.
Rollie has never been a true #1 goalie. In this department there are many netminders who cream Mr. Rolloson in this regard. Lets have a look at just the Western conference.
Luongo, Kipper, Gigueire, Turco, Nabokov, Hasek all have better #1 goalies than Edmonton does. | |
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Posted: 9/20/2007 9:47:28 AM |
making to the stanley cup finals is a team effort.
When comparing goalies, goals against average, save percentage, wins etc are best for determining comparables.
Emery had not played a playoff game either til last year. Biron will get his chance this year as i believe the Flyers will make the playoffs.
Back to Rollie,
you state,,,,"he was a frontrunner for the Conn Smythe"....yadda yadda puhhleasee...Rolie injured his knee and was knocked out of the Cups Finals. She he'd have no chance at winning this award. In addition there were several Oilers who were candidates for the award including Pronger. Horcroff also had a good playoff/point per game, Pisani had 7 goals in 11 games, then there's the heart and soul Ryan Smyth who took pucks in the face and that did not keep him out of the run.
Pronger btw, averaged 33 minutes of playing time during the cup run. He was on the ice more than half the game.
Rollie has never been a true #1 goalie. In this department there are many netminders who cream Mr. Rolloson in this regard. Lets have a look at just the Western conference.
Luongo, Kipper, Gigueire, Turco, Nabokov, Hasek all have better #1 goalies than Edmonton does.
u dig urself deeper with every post u make. island said that roloson was the front runner for the conn smythe BEFORE he got injured, which he was. also, GAA is not a good stat for comparing goalies. just cause hasek had GREAT GAA last year doesnt mean shit. the guy is over the hill and overrated. detroits defense is the reason his stats were awesome last year. btw, way to pick a bunch of playoff teams with great defense in ur last argument there.  | |
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Joined: 10/14/2006
Msg: 4307 | |
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Posted: 9/20/2007 10:05:33 AM | ^^^there is nothing to dig here.
this is a place for opinions and it is painfully obvious that opinions vary. Why are you only talking about Hasek? Luongo is young, as is Gigueirro and Kipper.  | |
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Joined: 10/14/2006
Msg: 4308 | |
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Posted: 9/20/2007 10:10:02 AM | The only thing Rollie did in the 2005/06 season was raise the FLUKE factor
Then he was just his true self, playing poorly in 2006/07 and the Oilers missed the playoffs. There's a surprise.
IMO the Oilers threw in the towel when they dealt star forward Ryan Smyth to NYI.
Since, this trade Edmonton has really crashed. But it is the way Oilers have bombed that leaves a sour smell in Alberta. Many Oilers from the cup run are gone....Pronger, Peca, Samsonov, Smyth, and thier captain Smith.
If Oilers fans think Pitakkinen (sp?) and Souray and going to replace these lost players there either dreaming or just ignorant. | |
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Posted: 9/20/2007 11:23:12 AM | "Back to Rollie,
you state,,,,"he was a frontrunner for the Conn Smythe"....yadda yadda puhhleasee...Rolie injured his knee and was knocked out of the Cups Finals. She he'd have no chance at winning this award."
You know what puck;.. If you're going to use a quote, make sure you use the whole thing.
What you did to my quote is like me taking the one above and crediting you with saying.....
"Back to Rollie. He was a frontrunner for the Conn Smythe."
So, by using your method of quoting someone, it's apparently clear that we agree. You just said he was a frontrunner.
OF COURSE Rollie was no longer a frontrunner after he was injured. I specified that he was a frontrunner BEFORE he was injured. Now, I realize as a Leafs fan there hasn't been much reason for you to watch a Stanley Cup Final since 1967 (beauty of a zinger, thank you, thank you very much ), but at the beginning of every Stanley Cup Final, the pundits and commentators debate the frontrunners for the Conn Smythe. (You'll have to just take my word for it. Anyone who watches Stanley Cup playoffs past the first round will know what I'm talking about.) Last year, going into the finals, Alfy was pretty much a consensus pick (again, you'll have to trust me on that one, as it's clear you don't watch playoff hockey). Did he win? Of course not! But he was a frontrunner, in fact THE frontrunner for the Conn Smythe going into the finals.
"This forum is for opinions and it is painfully obvious that opinions vary."
You forgot to add..."And as long as all the opinions are the same as Pucks', it's all good....otherwise you're a dipshit." | |
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Joined: 10/14/2006
Msg: 4310 | |
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Posted: 9/20/2007 11:37:30 AM | Now i dont watch playoff hockey. Ok know it all.
I see why your called JOKEster...dipshit was not accurate...a JOKE is. | |
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Posted: 9/20/2007 11:45:06 AM | Good comeback
Funny puck...it seems whenever anyone makes a valid counterpoint to one of your opinions, you have to start with the name calling. That's fine though. It's actually a form of flattery. Most people realize that once someone has resorted to name calling it's because they can't fire back in a debate forum with anything worthwhile. It's really a form of admitting defeat. A childish form, to be sure, but for some, it's the only way they know to end an argument. | |
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Joined: 10/14/2006
Msg: 4312 | |
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Posted: 9/20/2007 11:50:28 AM | ok know it all.
I have no problem with counterpoints. I do have a problem and challenge if there is "a know it all" perception in a post. Your an expert at this. Now i dont watch hockey playoffs eh.
BTW your Oilers will continue the decline, and finish 13th in the Western Conference.
At least the leafs are on the upswing. | |
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Posted: 9/20/2007 1:00:14 PM | You not watching playoff hockey is the only possible explanation for you not knowing that Dwayne Roloson was a frontrunner for the Conn Smythe before his injury.
Yes, the Leafs improved this summer and should make the playoffs this year. Their run of Cup futility will continue, but at least they will make the playoffs.
The Oilers will finish top-10 and may squeek into the playoffs. They'll finish ahead of Columbus, Chicago, LA, Nashville and Phoenix for their top-10 finish. I'm figuring there will be a four-team dogfight for the final two playoff positions, between Edmonton, Calgary, St. Louis and Colorado. Nashville may be able to keep it close enough to make it a five team challenge for the last two spots, but I doubt it.
That's my prediction. But tell me Pucks, which are the only 2 teams that you believe will finish behind the Oilers in the standings this season? | |
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Joined: 10/14/2006
Msg: 4314 | |
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Posted: 9/20/2007 2:32:57 PM | IMO, the bottom of the West will look something similiar to this for 2007/08;
11. Chicago
12. LA
13. Edmonton
14. Columbus
15. Pheonix
The Northwest Division,. Im predicting;
1. Flames
2.Wild
3.Canucks
4.Avalanche
5. Oilers. | |
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Posted: 9/20/2007 5:19:01 PM | | I have 1 thing to say.. GO FLYERS!!...lol | |
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Posted: 9/20/2007 9:09:28 PM | this is how i see the standings finishing up this year:
EAST:
1.Ottawa
2.Pittsburgh
3.Tampa Bay
4.NY Rangers
5.Buffalo
6.New Jersey
7.Philadelphia
8.Atlanta
9.Carolina
10.Toronto
11.Florida
12.Washington
13.Montreal
14.Boston
15.NY Islanders
WEST:
1.Detroit
2.Anaheim
3.Minnesota
4.Calgary
5.San Jose
6.Dallas
7.Nashville
8.Colorado
9.Vancouver
10.St. Louis
11.Los Angeles
12.Chicago
13.Edmonton
14.Columbus
15.Phoenix
spots 6-10 in the east will be close.
spots 7-9 in the west will be close.
lemme know if ur wondering why i picked a team so high or low. | |
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Posted: 9/21/2007 9:42:33 AM | | good predictions but i think LA and Vancouver are gonna get in before nashville and minnesota | |
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Posted: 9/21/2007 12:37:50 PM | ok ill give my picks now
west
1.flames-sick goaltending, playfair should whip the defence back into the shape they were in 05/06, with kenan behind the bench its as close to having sutter as the team will get, the team can get back to being the hardist team to play aginst plus great ofence should finish top 10 in scoing this year.
2.wings-weak divison wings are going to feed on the lack of skill in the divison
3.ducks- as long as they dont suffer a bad stanley cup hangover. some key players gone but good enough to win the divison.
4.aves-smyth, sakic on a top line is going to be sick, the quick release from sakic to a tip or screen by smth goaltending could get the aves into troble.
5.sharks-skilled forwards, decent defence, nothing to specal on its own but roll it together and you have yourself a pretty damn soild team.
6.wild-defence is good as always, a few skilled forwards big question is goaltending.
7.hawks-no real good reason, other then the preds are going to be weak and play in a divison where being ok should be enough to get them in
8.nucks- only based on some great goaltending.
im not going to do my east picks now cause i'm going to play nhl 08 will give my easturn picks along with picks on players trophies later.
go flames go
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Posted: 9/21/2007 12:54:24 PM | | ^ glaring error, smack...you forgot the Oilers in your top 8. That wasn't intentional, was it? | |
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Posted: 9/21/2007 12:59:49 PM | """good predictions but i think LA and Vancouver are gonna get in before nashville and minnesota"""
i definitely think LA is going to finally going to make some noise. they were busy over the summer. Keep your on the saint louy blues as well.
I think you'll see nashville really struggle this year. San jose will take their division over Anaheim as some degree of post Stanley Cup hangover plus the loss right now of Selanne (i believe he''s still not playing) and neidermayer will have quite an affect. Pronger got his Cup. they won't be back this year, but they will be in the playoffs.
I don't see a lot of difference between the three canadian clubs, but I don't think any of them will match Clorado for points.
Don't know about the Wings, but they're too good a franchise not to warrant respect.
1 San jose
2 Detroit
3 Colorado
4 Calgary
5 Anaheim
6. Dallas
7.LA
8 St louis
9 Nucks
10 Columbus
11 Oilers
12 Hawks
13 . Wild
14. Preds
15. Phoenix
but you's know the west better than I do for sure.
In the east, I see the Strangers and the Pens battling for the overall East lead.
Sens will struggle unless they sign Forsberg. i don't think Emery's 100% and gerber will win back his job. Sens are wimpy, they really didn't add anything to their club, lost a few guys. Plus they're really a bit too presumptious about getting back to the Final. they'll trip and stumble and bumble their way along this season and wind up battling with the leafs for 7th and 8 th spots.
Sabres are out this year. Thrashers too.
1.Strangers
2.Pens
3 . Canes
4. tampa
5. Devils (40 more wins by King marty)
6 Flyers
7 Leafs(Sundin, Blake, Tucker and Wellwood all 30+ goals)
8(tie) Ottawa
9(tie) Habs
10 (tie)Thrashers
11. Caps
12. Boston Prunes
13.Sabres
14. Islanders
15. Panthers
Take it to the bank.
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Joined: 10/14/2006
Msg: 4321 | |
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Posted: 9/21/2007 1:16:11 PM | ^^^Nucks not making the playoffs? really? Ottawa in 8th.
I dont see it this way.
I do agree that Pittsburg will be battling for the top of the ease. I see it like this'
1. Pittsburg
2. Ottawa
3. NY Rangers
4. Buffalo
5. New Jersey
6. Toronto
7. Carolina
8. Tampa Bay | |
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Posted: 9/21/2007 3:18:37 PM | """Nucks not making the playoffs? really? Ottawa in 8th"""
How the heck would I know? If it makes you happy you can slot the Sens in third or fourth and push everyone else down one, But I see them having some challenges this year, again, unless they get their hands on Forsberg.
They've added Luc Richardson and Sean Donavon, and emery's not 100%. I'm tellin' ya on that one. He hurt that wrist back about a year ago and played thru with it. I remember commenting back in the winter about him not being able to close his catching mitt. It's his wrist and he only got it operated on In mid June. Not enough time and knowing him, he's going to want to get right back in there. Wrists can take forever to get better, and he should really sit down until it's actually fully healed. His wrist will nag him all year. Gerber's played well in pre-season stopping 50 some odd shots the other night for a shutout. This team needs to play well right from the get go or they're going to get mired in a lot of self-doubt with coaching changes and a real substantial lack of personnell additions. I'm still not sold on the Paddock hiring.
Leafs open with a home and homer against them and I think you'll see a little different outcome in these two games than what we've been lately getting used to. It should set the table for the season between these two. Losing bell for 15 games sucks, but he will be a welcome sizable addition. But we've already covered that one.
Nucks. Goalie. This is a one horse team. They need to rebuild that team and start by moving both Morrison and Naslund. They're both a pair of malcontents and they both never liked each other very much and it just hasn't been a good recipe for success. If Luongo throws his back out or something like that for any length of time, which he's somewhat overdue to do, it could set them back quickly in a tough tough west. It doesn't take long to fall behind that pack.
Oilers have the offense and think they've beefed up the defence. We'll see what McTavish can get out of these guys, but as a whole this team doesn't excite me like it did two years ago. They seem to have lost their spark and losing their captain plus Captain Canada could mean it might take a while for this team to find itself.
As for the Sabres. Ruff will surely deserve the "miracle maker of men" award if he gets this team to even play 500 hockey. They done got raped this summer, and it should hurt for awhile.
But what do I know for sure? Well, . Alfie's still trash talkin' the Leafs while he tries to persuade Foppa to go there rather than TO or Vancouver.
"""If Peter Forsberg wants to win the Stanley Cup, then picking the Senators over the Leafs is a no-brainer, says Daniel Alfredsson"""
http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL/Ottawa/2007/09/18/4505878-sun.html | |
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Posted: 9/21/2007 7:25:02 PM |
good predictions but i think LA and Vancouver are gonna get in before nashville and minnesota
i guess anything can happen but i see this as complete crazy talk...
-minn is arguably the best defensive team in the league, easily top 3 next to vancouver and detroit.
-LA plays in a tough division and doesnt have great goaltending, they did make some good offseason moves though.
-vancouver is obviously good but i ranked them pretty low because of their horrible offense and tough division. i wouldnt be surprised if they took 3rd in the conference but the west is just so tight so i had to pick my sleeper team (colorado).
-as for nashville, i still say ppl are underrating them. ive explained it before so i wont go in depth, but that division is still pretty weak.
i think divisions play a HUGE role in how a team does and a lot of ppl arent noticing this. with teams playing 32 of the 82 game season against their own division, that has a huge impact on how their record ends up. | |
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Posted: 9/21/2007 7:32:14 PM |
8(tie) Ottawa
sorry 1 more. thats crazy too. | |
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