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Posted: 9/26/2007 12:49:34 PM |
lol wings will make playoffs thats a given. they always seem to be a great team in the reg season.
Wings = 3 Cups in last 10 yrs
Flames = 0 Cups in last 10 yrs
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Posted: 9/26/2007 1:07:48 PM | wings payroll the last 10 years vs the flames payroll the last 10. yeah was nice to spend all that cash wasnt it. even though your 03/04 squad got smoked but a team with under half the salary of the wings.
look at the wings divison, if the flames played in it playoffs ever year for sure. any team from the northwest would compete on almost any year for divison lead.
cup in new cba is zero each. seems to me the flames were the last team to make the finals of the 2. hey the wings have more cups so what? i live in the present, i dont have to ride on what my team has done in the past (oilers, habs, leafs fans)
i say something good about the wings and look. age of hasek and celios combined almost 90. no other team in the nhl has had an older combo of 2 players that i can think of in recent years.
wings suck
go flames go
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Posted: 9/26/2007 5:20:01 PM | "seems to me the flames were the last team to make the finals of the 2. hey the wings have more cups so what? i live in the present, i dont have to ride on what my team has done in the past (oilers, habs, leafs fans) "
So bringing up a Finals appearance from three years ago isn't living in the past...I guess that means the Oilers are a better team than either the Flames OR the Wings...after all, it was only 2 seasons ago that they made the finals. | |
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Posted: 9/26/2007 7:27:48 PM | Island Jokester.... Ranger fans are still living in 1994..... LOL..... Just to be fair, it's not just the oilers, habs and leafs.......  | |
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Posted: 9/27/2007 3:48:21 AM | yeah but the oiles are not a play off team you missed the playoffs last year.
and its not living in the past its a example of how one can spin stats and such to make most any team seem better then another. just depends on which way you have to dig. leafs go way back to do it. life is what you make of it, your view is really the only right one.
im talking about this season, not 04, not 10 years ago. what is your team going to do this year? i dont want to hear people digging up past history, come on people the season is just about to start and you all want to talk about the past. do you not feel your team is going to be able to compete this year? ohh its oilers fans that are always juming in isnt it? yeah ok dig dig dig cause its going to be awhile before you can get exicted for a season. here i give you one looks like the oilers can win the preseason. get the parade root planed. its going to be the highlight this year.
go flames go
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Posted: 9/27/2007 3:53:39 AM | ^^^well said.
i notice this about Oilers fans too. Always laying it to the Flames fans, then there's the Sens fans laying it to leaf fans.
But, At least the Oilers do have the Gretzky years.
I agree, e need to focus more on the now. It is interesting how many dog certain teams about their pasts to defend there views.
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Posted: 9/27/2007 5:26:46 AM | again smack, you are living in the past by saying the Oilers are not a playoff team, while the flames are. It's Sept. 27. Look at the standings. Every tam is tied. They're ALL playoff teams. Heck, the MAPLE LEAFS are ven contenders in September!
If I were a Flames fan, living in the "here and now", I'd be a little concerned, here and now.
My prediction....come March, the Oilers, Canucks AND Flames will be three of the five teams in the West battling for the final two playoff spots. The Flames WON'T be one of the two that make it. I've already stated my reasons, earlier on in this thread. The Flames have downgraded from a year ago and have (speaking of living in the past) a coach behind the bench who hasn't done anything this century. | |
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Posted: 9/27/2007 10:02:22 AM |
i dont want to hear people digging up past history, come on people the season is just about to start and you all want to talk about the past. do you not feel your team is going to be able to compete this year? ohh its oilers fans that are always juming in isnt it? yeah ok dig dig dig cause
Ironically, if you go on the Nucks forums, they would say the very same thing about Flames fans. You know, always gloating about their ONE cup over the Canucks no cup.
its going to be awhile before you can get exicted for a season. here i give you one looks like the oilers can win the preseason. get the parade root planed. its going to be the highlight this year.
Hmmm...many Flames fans felt their teams performance was only marginally better than the Oilers last season and they barely squeaked by the Avs for the final spot (actually the spot was there for the Avs taking and the F'd up in one game) and that they got what they deserved in the playoffs...and, at least the Oilers had somewhat of an excuse.
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Posted: 9/27/2007 11:02:41 AM | i say the oilers are not a playoff team this year. you saw my picks i think that now. there is lots of work to be done before they can compete. i do how ever think the oilers are alittle better then alot of people think. id slate them in around 10th in the west.
how have the flames down graded?
nolan>amonte
prust/godard>mccarty
moss=freiesn just difffenrt things they will give you.
kenan>playfair
plairfairs defnce> better then who ever ran it last year
warrener is droped to a 3rd line defenceive role instead of top line with reggie
phanuef looked amazing against the sharks
aucoin>zuzin
sarich is way more girty, and less injury prone then hamrilik
ference is just to small, always getting out muscled on the puck.
iggy is in the best shape of his whole career
kipper will be rock soild again
and tick
nucks fans are the worse fans in all of sports. no one cares what they think.
depends on what flames team we are talking about the home or road team hahaha home team was the best in the nhl i felt sick wacthing the road games. once again a slow start almsot cost the flames. and really in the end did cost them alot. if they even went 500 at the start they would have won the northwest. playfair needed to go everyone knew it sutter just couldnt find the right person.
if kennan is so bad why did joe thorton wait till the media was done interviewing him just to shake his hand and wish him good luck? most players dont have a problem with him, only the lazy ones. if your not going to work your going to get it. just like hummm sutter! have mike behind the bench will be as close as we are going to get to having sutter behind the bench again. most flames players play well under a coach that is a hard ass.
go flames go
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Posted: 9/27/2007 10:26:04 PM | nolan for amonte is a wash, nolan will miss most of the year with injury,
if you really believe they got aucoin to replace zuzin, then you are realy spinning hard.Aucoin is there to replace hamrlik and aucoin cannot keep up in the new NHL. Phaneuf had a good pre-season game....I'll use your line...pre-season means nothing. Phaneuf's production will falter without Hamrlik. Every time the two were separated in the past two seasons, Phaneuf suffered.
iggy is ALWAYS in the best shape on the team. he'll do his usual and have 10 goals by december and finish with 40-45. You shouldn't expect any more from him than what he gives you every year. Saying he's going to be better this year than last, well, I guess we could say that about all the stars in the league.
Kipper is one of the top three goalies in the conference, for sure...but what happens if he lets two in in the first 10 minutes of the game...keenan can't handle not pulling a goalie, no matter how good he is. Ask Luongo
You say Keenan is an upgrade from Playfair...I say not, we'll have to wait and see. Huselius had a career year last year and I sure can't see him doing the same this year with keenan manning the bench.
As for the Oilers, you talk about a team underachieving last year, look 300km to the north smack. torres, Stall, Horcoff, Pisani, Roloson...the list goes on and on in Edmonton of players who had completely unacceptable seasons.
Moreau injured for nearly the entire year,,,his penalty-killing prowess alone will make the Oilers a much better team this year. Also, the Oilers did not have a single D man who they could rely upon to start the play in their end, or QB the powerplay. Now they have 5, if you include****tarnstrom.
They also have a certain Number 13 (Cogliano) who not only will stick, but if he plays in the regular season the way he has played in the pre-season, will be one of the top rookies in the league.
Bottom line is whoever doesn't win the division will be battling just to make the playoffs, because of the toughness of our division. And I see Minnesota winning the division. They had 104 points last year, without Gaborik for half the season. They had I think 5 or 6 20-gal scorers and the lowest goals against in the league last year. Oilers may well finish 10th like you say...but they'll be fighting for a playoff spot in the last week of the season, just like Calgary and Vancouver. Colorado is a real wild card because of their goaltending. I don't think Budaj is the answer and that's who they're going with to start the season. He plays well, they may challenge Minnesot. They certainly have the offence. Personally I think Edmonton is going to rebound quite well and make the playoffs. They still need another goal scorer up front but with 8 NHLers on defence, I'm looking for a trade to happen pretty quick. | |
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Posted: 9/28/2007 12:59:33 AM |
and tick
nucks fans are the worse fans in all of sports. no one cares what they think.
depends on what flames team we are talking about the home or road team hahaha home team was the best in the nhl i felt sick wacthing the road games. once again a slow start almsot cost the flames. and really in the end did cost them alot. if they even went 500 at the start they would have won the northwest. playfair needed to go everyone knew it sutter just couldnt find the right person.
if kennan is so bad why did joe thorton wait till the media was done interviewing him just to shake his hand and wish him good luck? most players dont have a problem with him, only the lazy ones. if your not going to work your going to get it. just like hummm sutter! have mike behind the bench will be as close as we are going to get to having sutter behind the bench again. most flames players play well under a coach that is a hard ass.
You know what, smack, I'm going to agree with you on a few points here.
1) Nucks fans are the worst. They are the****est mofo's in the league (well...next to the Leafs' fans), yet they have nothing to brag about
2) Keenan is the biggest hardass in the league and if you're willing to listen to him, he can make any team successful. The problem with him is that he has a short shelf life. Players can only tolerate him for so long before they reject his anal style. Let's hope - for the Flames sake - that this doesn't happen to early in the season.
3) The Flames were their own worst enemy last year. It shouldn't have been so close as it was last year and they almost seemed willing to throw their season away, but the Avs just lost a spot at the last minute. Lucky for them they snuck in...but very unfortunate for the fans...the playoffs reavealed them for what they were. | |
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Posted: 9/28/2007 11:44:51 AM | the players seem to like keenan being a hrad ass so far. he already has bag skated them a few times. iggy seemed to like the up temp pratices.
and as for iggy i said he is in his best shape of his career. he was above his old standard. most of the flames players are in better shape this year, thats part of the keenan effect.
no kipper is top 3 in the nhl not just the west. iggy, luongo and broduer are top 3 no questions asked the order doesnt matter and changes on who you ask.
playfair was bad the team never had a system they played with. in most road games looked liek they were deer in the healights of a on coming truck. keenan is going to turn that arond and we can get back to a hardass hardworking team.
and as for juice he is playing amazing in the pre season under keenan, as long as he keeps on working hard he will be ok. he isnt counted on being one of the top 3 players here, he slots in on the 2nd line forward but can be interchanged with tangs. so thats going to take pressure that he had with the panthers off him alittle.
langkow, iggy, reggie, kipper, yelle, sarich, tangs, conroy, are pretty safe bets to kinda contine on the path they always do.
lambo, moss, juice, all could be 30 goal scorers if they play to there leval.
phanuef- if he is as good as everyone thinks then playing with a different partner should not effect him so far. and has looked alot better this pre season then any game last season. he has come very far in stopping those rookie mistakes.
in looking at the divions all 5 teams from the northwest really could make playoffs. you have the winsg winning theres, and the ducks in and sharks. after that who knows. preds dont look great, stars not so much. 7,8 are going to be close. i also see the nucks not making playoffs but with there goaltending its hard to see them miss. aves a very big question. if the oilers can find there heart and soul then i can see then getting in, they need someone to step up big time. if the biggist question about the flames is coaching im not worried in the least bit. i like our defence as a whole more then last season. wild are exactly that a wild card who knows.
on another note looks like b sutter to go to quad city. keenan loves his play so much the sending him done to the farm seems better then the whl. and sutter has looked amazing in preseason.
oh and i going to call it iggy finishes with 100+ points this season.
go flames go
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Posted: 9/28/2007 6:06:58 PM | Iron Mike has his first real blow-up at practice yesterday, It'll be interesting to see the effect, also interesting that juselius is the one player he has really heaped the praise on so far this pre-season, considering he ran him out of Florida.
If Iggy plays a full season he would be expected to get 100+ points, based on how he has improved every season. He came within six points last year and missed a dozen games, so you're really not going out on a limb there Smack.
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Posted: 9/28/2007 11:21:48 PM | | I like the flames and all, but i hope that they dont make the playoffs so they can get rid of so called iron mike..the guy is a brutal coach, acts like a dam tyrant..i cant see these guys playing for him...I really dont think the flames are that good..without kipper i really dont see this team doing very much, and with him asking for 5 mill a yr. i dont think he will be around come next yr.. | |
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Posted: 9/29/2007 5:45:47 AM | flames can pay kipper 5 mil without ny probelms at all. take conroy off, which his contrat is done next season anyways and overpaid at 2.5 mil. you have at least 2 rookies that are going to be on rookie contracts next season. its very easy to sign kipper. i think phaneuf may be gone if he is going to want anything over 4.
you do know that sutter was no fun loving coach, and the team loved to play for him. if you sucked in a game he called you out to the media. if they were lackluster on the the ice, he bag skated them.
players like keenan,those that dont. dont work hard enough.
if the flames dont make playoffs this year. your most likly going to be say bye to alot of the core players. heck if they dont make it past the first round its time to blow the team up and re build. iggy and reggie would be the only 2 i could not see being let go.
go flames go
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Posted: 9/29/2007 9:47:48 AM | The 07/08 season is officially underway.
Well all you hockey talkers...the season started about 15 minutes ago. After the two clubs were sent back to their dressing rooms because of lights failures, the Kings and the Ducks are getting it on in jolly old England.
The Kings will contend for the playdowns come April. this team is the sleeper in the West.
ps. Downie got 20 games
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The defending Stanley Cup champion Anaheim Ducks return to the ice to launch the 2007-08 NHL season against the Los Angeles Kings on Saturday in England (CBC, 12 p.m. ET).
The Ducks and Kings play the first of a pair games in London's new O2 Arena, with the second meeting taking place on Sunday.
The Kings, meanwhile, will be looking to return to the playoffs for the first time since 2002.
Long-time Vancouver Canucks coach Marc Crawford took over behind the Los Angeles bench last season, but the result was the same. The Kings finished 27-41-14, only one point ahead of Phoenix for worst record in the West.
Last year's motley crew of goaltenders have been jettisoned in favour of Jason LaBarbera, who starred in the AHL last season, and former Toronto Maple Leafs backup Jean-Sebastien Aubin.
Jonathan Bernier, the 19-year-old who starred in net for Canada in the recent junior series against Russia, has also made the trip to England for the Kings but will probably be returned to the Quebec junior league for more seasoning.
Los Angeles general manager Dean Lombardi was busy in the offseason signing a group of veteran free agents that included defencemen Jon Klemm, Tom Preissing and Brad Stuart, as well as forwards Kyle Calder, Michal Handzus and Ladislav Nagy.
The Kings hope the creative Slovakian duo of Handzus and Nagy can stay healthy and increase the team's goal total.
The veterans are expected to support a core group of young players with loads of potential. Many hockey observers felt Slovenian-born Anze Kopitar should have been among the Calder Trophy candidates for rookie of the year last season, while forwards Alex Frolov, Mike Cammalleri and Dustin Brown also played well.
The Kings brass hope former prolific junior scorer Patrick O'Sullivan can make a permanent jump to the NHL.
Widely hailed prospect Jack Johnson will join a blue line that, in addition to new bloods Preissing, Klemm and Stuart, features returning veteran Lubomir Visnovsky and future Hall of Famer Rob Blake.
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/story/2007/09/28/kings-ducks-preview.html
it's officially hockey season.
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Posted: 9/29/2007 10:35:47 AM | | emm no its not flames pre season hasnt ended yet. lol one more game tonight | |
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Posted: 9/29/2007 10:57:44 AM | well then I must be imagining that I'm watching the season opener on CBC right now...2-0 Kings 2nd period
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""Start of Los Angeles Kings-Anaheim Ducks game delayed by faulty lights
By THE CANADIAN PRESS
LONDON, England - The puck didn't drop on time Saturday.
The start of the NHL's regular-season opener between the Los Angeles Kings and Anaheim Ducks was delayed by faulty lights at the new 02 Arena.
Players on both teams were sent back to their respective dressing rooms while the arena staff worked to turn on all the lights""
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Posted: 9/29/2007 2:10:07 PM | i know its weird. some teams havnt finished the pre season yet but the reg season is starting. i wacthed the game also. but i still wont consider the reg season started till after tonights game vs the sharks. enless the nhl will let us play 83 games sthis year lol
go flames go
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Posted: 9/30/2007 6:51:17 PM | Live in the present...
Ok who smoked the Flames out of the playoffs last year?
Payroll has nothing to do with it. Its all about winning baby!
They can't help it if they had grat players and had to pay them.
You don't get Hall Of Famers with out paying them!
LOL
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Posted: 10/3/2007 9:44:54 AM | Here it is.
2007-08 Maple Leafs Roster
http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL/Toronto/2007/10/03/4546166-sun.html
Raycroft gets the call tonight. Leafs should be a lock to get 4 points in this home and home opener starting tonite.
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Posted: 10/3/2007 10:20:42 AM | in the last 10 seasons the leafs vs sens the first game. the leafs are 1-9 sounds like a lock to me lol. im saying sens 5 leafs 2. and the downward spirl for the leafs starts.
go flames go
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Posted: 10/3/2007 11:09:12 AM | bah humbug...last years hits don't win this years ballgames. You know that. Hey it's a whole new season and right now we're tied for first in the East. Any team that goes 1 and 9 against another team is long overdue to bust out. I have to suffer the game over at two Sens fans place tonight on their big screen.
Then we're all headed off for the faggy Sens home opener tomorrow nite.
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Posted: 10/3/2007 12:03:43 PM | hahaha right. man do i love you leaf fans. if everyone in the world thought like you think about your team it would be such a better place....or would it? i dont really care either way. i just felt like pouring some salt on the wound. just heard that stat last night had to use it when my brian still could remember it lol
go flames go
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"The only thing that could cure Oil Nation's pain is beer, fried dill pickles and more beer." espn | |
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Posted: 10/3/2007 12:06:40 PM | "The only thing that could cure Oil Nation's pain is beer, fried dill pickles and more beer." espn
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