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Posted: 10/11/2007 6:52:26 PM | Sundin the new all time leaf leader in goals.
7 -1 over Isles with about 5 minutes left.
Belak just tussled with Sutton
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Posted: 10/11/2007 9:37:10 PM | make it 8-1 for da leafs.
great rebound win after a bad loss.
Sundin is also the all time leaf leader in assists. | |
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Posted: 10/12/2007 3:53:28 AM | "Wild have NO playoff success."
... I agree with you there. I never once said they'd get anywhere in the plaoffs. All I said is that they'd win the NorthWest. Just like Vancouver did last year ...with no playoff success.
We will have to agreee to disagree on the comment that good teams will prevail with their top two players out of the line-up. Once Ottawa still wins 80 per cent of their games withour two-thirds of the h/a/s line, or once Pittspurgh puts together a 7-game winning streak without the services of Crosby and Malkin, or when the Flames get hot, after Iginla and Kiprosov are shelved, then you can tell me I am wrong, and I will eat crow. Until then, I just don't buy it. Far too often I've seen teams' seasons turn for the worst because of a couple of key injuries,,,,noteven necessarily their top players. There may be the odd exception to that rule (and that would not be a good team, that would be a great team), but by and large, take the top two players off any team and the team suffers exponentially....Otherwise those two players wouldn't be getting 2 to 3 times as much as the rest of the team. If the team doesn't suffer dramatically, then that superstar is overpaid (in relation to everyone else on his team)
As for your comments that Calgary isn't screwed if Iggy doesn't score and Philly isn't screwed if Briere doesnt score and Pittsburgh isn't screwed if Crosby and Malkin slump....there's a vast difference between not scoring and sitting in the press box during a game. | |
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Posted: 10/12/2007 3:15:22 PM | Boulerice gets 25 game suspension.
Well deserved and the suspension seems appropriate.
Some were calling for criminal charges?
The Flyers are getting a bad rap. That is two Philly players in three weeks that have recieved lengthy disciplinary action from the NHL.
Boulerice, 10 yrs ago in the OHL had a similiar incident and was suspended heavily then. What was this guy thinking...in a blowout game that was well under control for his team. | |
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Posted: 10/12/2007 4:37:00 PM |
If Gaborik and Rolston go down, the Wild are screwed no matter how good their D is.
if ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a merry christmas. though i agree with u that they would be screwed hardcore. however, i toally agree with island jokester when i say, u could say that for any team in the league.
I dont see it that way. The good teams prevail even if a couple good players get injured. That is what distinguishes these pro teams.
The Wild may have finished with 104 points but how many teams broke the century mark or close to it? Canucks, Nashville, Detroit, San Jose, Anaheim...and others. These teams all faced injuries.
Wild have NO playoff success.
BTW..
Calgary,,,has Conroy, Tanguay, Langkow, Huselius so there not screwed if iggy does not score.
Philly,,,, has Richards, Knuble, Lupul, Harntell, J. Carter and Kapanen. So there not screwed if Briere does not score.
Pittsburg,,,has Reechi, Sykora, Roberts, C.Armstrong, Christensen and R. Whitney so there not screwed in Crosby or Malkin slump.
I could go on. The difference between the Wild and many other teams is scoring depth. I give the wild full marks for defense though.
They need some more offense. 1-0 games only get you so far as evident in the playoffs where they have had ZERO success.
all u basically did was name some alright players from each team while trying to defend ur argument (btw u forgot GONCHAR on pitt). the wild still have demitra, koivu, belanger, and bouchard if rolston and gabby go down (which is crazy talk since rolston has missed a total of 10 games the past 5 seasons). as for the lack of offense and zero success in the playoffs comment. offense sells tickets, defense wins championships. who did the wild lose to last year in the playoffs? thats right, the team that went on to eventually win the stanley cup. besides, anaheim didnt exactly light them up in the playoffs... defense first is the wilds business, and business is good.
as for the teams with injuries the crack the 100 point mark last season:
1: what marquee players were injured for any significant time last year on san jose?
2: nashville played in the easiest division last year.
3: detroit... see above.
4: vancouver did miss some players for a little while i guess. kesler, salo, and mitchell. this team is based on defense and goaltending, like the wild and would def crumble if the sedin twins went down. but since it was mostly D that went down and they are deep like the wild at D, they were fine.
5: anaheim. the only guy they really missed any significant time was pronger for 16 games. anaheims record with pronger out of the line-up last year 6-7-3 losing to teams like phoenix, columbus, st louis, and edmonton. over a full season that would be WELL under 100 point pace for the full season, let alone the 110 points they earned last year. in fact, it would be about 77 points, good for 11th place in the west.
6: the devils missed gionta for a while but still finished with over 100 points cause of DEFENSE and GOALTENDING, once again, like the wild.
the wild were missing their starting goalie in fernandez, gabby, walz, and foster for significant time last year and still hit the 100 point mark in the toughest division last year. | |
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Posted: 10/12/2007 5:23:37 PM | ^^well i still dont see it that way. The TOP teams can handle a star player going down.
Coz they have depth.
BTW i was not including D men in my list of players....i could of added D. Paneuf to the Flames list and other defensemen but that wasnt the point. My point was the game is a team effort. Balanced offense and defense wins you games. You cant rely on one or two players to do most of your scoring. The teams that do are the ones that dont do well.
As for the Wild, Gaborik is a is a question mark. Why? ....his Groin. If he's healthy he'll be one of the best but we have yet to see him stay healthy. He has not played a full season since before his holdout and has not been in the shape the Wild have needed him to be in since then.
Demtira is also a question mark. Why? same reasons as Gaborik..injury prone history.
The Wild have added virtually nothing to their roster, so iths hard to see how much farther the Wild can go with their current roster.
They just dont impress me with depth to handle injury, which is bad news for this team.
The Wild are not a fun team to play with their boring defensive style but at the same time their not a frieghtening team either.
They'll still do well, finishing 2nd in their division and 4th in the West, but an early exit in the playoffs is probable. | |
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Posted: 10/12/2007 6:37:32 PM | "The Wild have added virtually nothing to their roster, so iths hard to see how much farther the Wild can go with their current roster."
The Wild will add when the time comes, if they deem necessary . For right now, after a 104-point regular season last year, was it necessary for them to go out and spend 7M on a UFA? I don't think so. The strongest teams in the league usually stay pretty much put. Look at the moves during the summer...there really weren't any major signings by ANY team that had over 100 points last season.Keep in mind that the Wild got 104 points without Gaborik in the line-up for virtually half the season, so they have actually improved from within, just having him back. I'm thinking just on that alone, it should be good for a 110-point season - all things being equal. Of course, there's no way to predict injuries, but based on what they have and what they've shown so far, that's not a stretch by any means. | |
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Posted: 10/12/2007 6:37:51 PM | "The Wild have added virtually nothing to their roster, so iths hard to see how much farther the Wild can go with their current roster."
The Wild will add when the time comes, if they deem necessary . For right now, after a 104-point regular season last year, was it necessary for them to go out and spend 7M on a UFA? I don't think so. The strongest teams in the league usually stay pretty much put. Look at the moves during the summer...there really weren't any major signings by ANY team that had over 100 points last season.Keep in mind that the Wild got 104 points without Gaborik in the line-up for virtually half the season, so they have actually improved from within, just having him back. I'm thinking just on that alone, it should be good for a 110-point season - all things being equal. Of course, there's no way to predict injuries, but based on what they have and what they've shown so far, that's not a stretch by any means. | |
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Posted: 10/12/2007 10:00:37 PM | "the strongest teams in the league usually stay pretty much put"
I would NOT call the Wild as part of the "strongest teams". They have been quick exiters in the playoffs. Unproven team and really last year was their only accomplishment with a successful regular season.
Teams like the Wings, SJ, Anaheim i'd consider strong in the West.
"after a 104-point regular season last year, was it necessary for them to go out and spend 7M on a UFA."
YES.....not necessarily 7 M persay, but beefing up there offensive to complete their great defensive game would help them be an overall better balanced team. Something that would help them in the drive thru the playoffs.
Besides , all this talk of regular season success for the wild, Really does not mean much. The season that counts is the playoffs i'd say.
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Posted: 10/13/2007 8:51:38 AM | Funny...you mention SJ as being a strong team. Remind me again what they've done in the playoffs? Oh yeah. Nothing. Just like the Wild.
And like it or not, 104 points, playing in the toughest division in hockey DOES make Minny one of the strongest teams in the league. | |
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Posted: 10/13/2007 10:26:37 AM | At least SJ have made the West Finals in 2004. Let me know if the Wild have gotten that far?
Who says the Wild's division is the toughest? You...oh ok lol. Opinions vary.
104 points in the regular season does not mean much come playoff time.
I guess Atlanta with 97 points and Vancouver with 105 are powerhouse teams in that "strongest category" too you claim eh | |
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Posted: 10/13/2007 4:49:04 PM | "At least SJ have made the West Finals in 2004. Let me know if the Wild have gotten that far?"
Tell me quick, without looking it up...who was in the Eastern Conference final in 2004...how about the West in 2002?
Can't remember?
Exactly. Know why Because it means nothing.
"Who says the Wild's division is the toughest? You...oh ok lol. Opinions vary."
Hmmm, let's see...SI...THN...TSN...HNIC...Pretty much every hockey publication....oh yeah...and me.
How does Atlanta, with 97 points in the WEAKEST division in hockey (once again, according to the experts) compare with the top teams in the league? Particularly in light of what they did this summer. At least the likes of Minnesota MAINTAINED its talent. Atlanta lost pretty much every vet (ie,,,anyone with more than 5 games playoff experience) they had over the summer.
As for Vancouver....it's amazing what you can do with a superstar goalie. Just ask any New Jersey Devil fan that.
Generally speaking...and again, understand that I am simply using a guideline set out by some of the most respected hockey writers in the nation, so really, what to they know...100 points is considered a benchmark point value, when discussing stronger/weaker teams. Not saying I particularly agree with it, especially since the introduction of the point given for losing, but in most "round-table discussions" that's still what the pundits use as a measuring stick. So when you talk about the "strongest category" that "I CLAIM", thanks for the compliment, comparing me to the experts, but I will have to defer the praise.
"104 points in the regular season does not mean much come playoff time. "
Once again, you're trying to turn the comment I made into a discussion about something completely different. All I said was that I think the Minnesota Wild were going to win their division. Unless I'm mistaken, they can do that without having to play a single playoff game. | |
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Posted: 10/13/2007 5:41:05 PM | ^^^
your far from an expert, i was not comparing you to them LOL...nice try.
It all depends on where you get your info from.
Sportnet nhl analysts have said the Northwest is the toughest.
According to Tsn, the Pacific division is the toughest division as it produced the 07 cup champion and teams with two of the top four point totals during the regular season. | |
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Posted: 10/13/2007 9:31:57 PM | ^^^
Actually, the Pacific only had one of the top 4 teams points total wise last year, that being Anaheim...but SJ and Dallas both finished tied for fifth overall with NJ. Then again, those three all got to feed off LA and Phoenix all year. The NW division had 4 teams finish over .500 and had a team with 95 points miss the playoffs. They only had Edmonton as the weak sister and at that, Edmonton was only a deadbeat for the final 30 games. That's what makes the NW such a tough division...the parity.
Certainly there are arguments for both divisions being the toughest. You could even argue with validation that the Atlantic is right up there this year, with Pittsburgh, NJ, Rangers and Philly, although goaltending is an issue with two of those teams. | |
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Posted: 10/14/2007 7:15:10 AM | yeah i agree with jokster on the north west being the toughist divison in the nhl.
the northwest doesnt have the weak teams of other divisons. maybe one this year and last but the norm is tough battles any night from whitin the northwest.
you would notice it if the nhl does decide to go with a more even sced next season, which there has been tons of talk from the players media and well everone. players get sick of playing the same teams 8 times in a year, and them not getting to play in other cities. fans want to see the stars of the nhl not the blue jackets 4 times or 2, when you could see the pens play, or just any team in the east. like the 3 canadian teams.
flames thumped preds 7-4
juice looks amazing
phanuef better then ever
hummm im think in a few more games ya might have to eat your words on this jokester
go flames go
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Posted: 10/14/2007 9:45:40 AM | ^^^
I'm thinking even Tom Poti could look amazing against this year's' Nashville Predators
I haven't seen a Flamers game yet this yea...is Phaneuf paired with Aucoin? I see AA got a couple of points last night...no wonder you're excited
Tell me...how's Nolan working out for you?
Here's why not to get too excited after two weeks: the two best players in Edmonton so far have been a 20-year-old rookie (Cogliano, who WILL be a Calder cantidate if he keeps it up) and a 35-year-old throw-in to the Jason Smith/Pitkanen trade in Geoff Sanderson.
While I've always liked Sanderson and have long wanted him to be an Oiler, if he's still the #2 player on this team at the end of the season, the Oilers are in big trouble.
Hemsky has looked amazing, except when it comes time to shoot the puck...at least he's doing that this year.
Pretty much all the new guys have looked really good, except for Penner, who looks like a guy who was given $4M on spec (no need to work for it...he's got it already). | |
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Posted: 10/14/2007 10:21:50 AM | The Oil looked terrible against the Canucks. 2 straight losses.
I agree Cogilano is a bright spot but thats about it.
The Sedins were all over Edmonton and the Oil D men looked like they had no idea what they were doing against there cycle.
Going to be a long year in Oil land. | |
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Posted: 10/14/2007 10:50:45 AM | dion has played with acoin and sarich. nolan looks solid out there. winning key battles on the boards. missed on a break away against the preds last night. im loving nolan a player we much needed last season. other then erickson which is a wash for zuzin the new players are seeming better then last. as well with guys playing way better then last season.
juice looks like he might be able to challange iggy for scoring lead. such soild dissions on offence but still lacks in the defenceive part.
langkow is proven once again he is a top 6 forward.
lambo looks great out there.
iggy of course wont get going for a few more games. damn his slow starts.
kipper i dont know what to say. he has stopped ones that he shouldnt and let ones in that he shouldnt. horriable play against the wings cost us a goal. but also kipper is a slow starter.
go flames go
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Posted: 10/14/2007 12:24:17 PM | Huselius is, without a doubt, the early surprise for the flames. Hard to figure that one out, considering the results the last time he played for Keenan.
I loved Iron Mike's quote when he walked past him at training camp and saw the extra muscle Huselius had added over the summer:
"He finally gets it".
Oilers D has to start hitting....but the Sedins' cycle has made many a D corps look silly, so that's no surprise.
I like the way Pitkanen has been pinching into the play. But the Oil definitely need some finish. Schremp was called up last night and my guess is that this is his last chance. Either he helps turn the tide and get the Oil back on track, or he's here simply as a showcase....someone Lowe can feature in a package. He's got talent up the ying-yang but I just don't see him "buying in" so to speak. ~Hopefully KL can find a GM out there somewhere who believes he can bring out Schremp's talent all the while dealing with his head.
To steal smackem's line....
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Posted: 10/14/2007 2:14:17 PM | | the wild is an elite team, in one of the toughest division in the hockey, with a hall of fame coach, PERIOD. the atlantic and pacific could be tougher than theirs this year but last year it was the northwest, hands down. | |
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Posted: 10/14/2007 7:39:44 PM | last undefeated team to start the season, four goals against in 5 games. three shutouts in 5 games. Yep, gotta agree with you eykwingnut11, they sound like an elite team to me.
Of course two weeks does not a season make, but I'm guessing at the end of the regular season, people will be point to the Wild's excellent start when they are looking at how they won the division. | |
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Posted: 10/14/2007 8:07:38 PM | | The Wild are off to a good start.....but its early....i think Colorado will give Minnestoa their first loss on Oct. 21st. | |
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Posted: 10/14/2007 8:23:08 PM | | i definitely think they will be undefeated still going into that game against the avs. however, ill say their first loss comes at the hands of the avs on the 28th in colorado instead of the 21st in minnesota. all i know is im happy to have both backstrom and harding on my fantasy team :) | |
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Posted: 10/15/2007 6:25:43 AM | | Maybe we have different definitions of an "elite" team. I never knew you could reach elite status in 5 games. I always thought it took a couple of seasons at least. Even if you only go by one season, the Wild still don't measure up yet. Now, if you want to state they have the POTENTIAL to become an elite team, that's a different story. | |
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Posted: 10/15/2007 10:09:58 AM | ^^^^lmao
Wingnut, that has been my view. This strongest team and elite status with no history is hilarious. The Wild have a good season last year and in 5 games so far this year hardly makes them an elite team.
They will have to do something in the playoffs for a couple seasons before you can classify them as an elite team. | |
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