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Posted: 10/16/2007 11:03:15 AM | Mccabe let Crosby go on saturday night for the game winner. They coughed up a two goal lead in that one as well. Keep pullin' for our leafs pucks. May faith be restored someday soon.
But we need to move some D men out. Mccabe for a bag of pucks and the playing rights to Guy Lafleur and Jean Beliveau would be a fair trade in my eyes. We might have to throw in a couple of draft picks as well, but so be it. Just get rid of this guy please. i don't care if he turns his game around somewhere else. Better off down the road without that load.
Maybe the NHL knows something we don't. The other team has started their backup goalie 5 of the first 7 games against the leafs so far this season. Now that's embarrassing. | |
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Msg: 4502 | |
| Hockey anyone?
Posted: 10/16/2007 3:06:46 PM | ^^^^^^no matter how bad the Leafs are.....Leafs Nation will always hold strong.
As Canada's most popular team and probably most popular in the entire league.
I'll agree that some d men need to be moved out. McCabe isnt the only one who hasnt impressed, Kubina has been a disappointed.
White has made some bad turnover too, but at least he is not paid much.
The only defencemen i really like is Kaberle.
Im far from embarrassed. The leafs have had much worse times. Ballard and Brophy ring a bell.
I looking forward to Fergie getting the can. Maurice can take a hike too. | |
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Posted: 10/16/2007 4:51:13 PM | ^^^^^ You are far from embarrassed because you are used to cheer for a losing team!
They may have some more few fans due to #1 Ontario being the most populated province and #2 they happen to be one of the original 6 teams, big deal... all original 6 teams have more fans than others. | |
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Posted: 10/16/2007 5:11:30 PM | ^^^^^all original 6 teams have more fans than others.^^^^
Ask the Blackhawks if that's still the case??? Plus leaf fans are country wide....... | |
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Posted: 10/16/2007 5:26:19 PM | There are fans of EVERY Canadian hockey team in every province in the country.
I know back in the 90s, when Oiler fans were staying away because of the labour rift between Edmontonians and Peter Pocklington (NOT because Oiler fans are fair-weather fans), any time either Toronto OR Montreal would come, the place would be as loud for the visitors as it was for the Oilers. Those two games were just about the only sell-outs of the season for three or four years there (only 9,000 season ticket holders). And while Toronto fans may want to believe they have the strongest alliance anywhere in Canada, I'd hazard a fairly educated guess that in Alberta, Montreal fans would give Leaf fans a run for their money, in sheer numbers. | |
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Joined: 10/14/2006
Msg: 4506 | |
| Hockey anyone?
Posted: 10/16/2007 8:21:02 PM | "they may have some more few fans due to #1 Ontario being the most populated province #2 they have happen to be one of the original six"
i'll a agree that is part of it but certainly is not all the reasons why the leafs have the most fans and why the Leafs are the most popular nhl team.
All i know is i have a hell of a time getting tickets to see the leafs when they are in Vancouver. Only been able to do it once. They sell out so damn fast. Half the building....thats right half the building was leafs fans. Blue maple leaf jersey's all over the place. The pacific coliesium at that time held about 16, 000 fans and i am not exaggerating when i say 6-8000 fans were cheering for Toronto.
Same situation happens in all Canadian cities when Toronto comes to play in their building. | |
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Posted: 10/16/2007 8:34:06 PM | | you'd have a hard time getting tickets to see Columbus in Vancouver too....they sell out every game...have ever since 2002 | |
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Joined: 10/14/2006
Msg: 4508 | |
| Hockey anyone?
Posted: 10/16/2007 8:40:11 PM | ^^^^yes thats the past few years, but i was talking back in the late nineties when i went.
the canucks were not selling out then. Many empty seats. | |
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| Historic irony for the Flames
Posted: 10/16/2007 9:19:28 PM | Rather ironic that on the eve of the anniversary of the Flames' greatest single game comeback, they have what might be their greatest single game meltdown.
Up 4-0 and they lose to the Avs.
18 years ago tomorrow (Oct. 17, 1989) the Fames were down 8-5 to the Quebec Nordiques with a minute to play. They scored three goals in the final 38 seconds, including a pair of short-handed goals 4 seconds apart, to tie the game 8-8. They went on to win the Stanley Cup that year. What can the meltdown of tonight be foreshadowing?
I'll tell you one thing. Kiprosoff sure doesn't look like a Vezina winner so far this year.
I'd love to have a hidden microphone in the Flames dressing room tonight. | |
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| Historic irony for the Flames
Posted: 10/16/2007 11:08:10 PM | On the topic of popularity
The Red Wings used to sell tickets like hotcakes for years, but last year they did'nt even sell-out play-off games. Alot of people believe it has to do with the team not having a real identity that they had all those years with Yzerman, Shanahan, Hull, Fedorov, etc...
Granted, they have Lidstrom, and some other young talents, but not that guy thats gonna give you what an Yzerman did.
They are still one of the good teams to watch, and the tickets are worth the price of admission, but it's not "Hockeytown" the way it used to be.
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| Historic irony for the Flames
Posted: 10/16/2007 11:14:10 PM | If athletes are role models, which some suggest they're not, then I wish the role they model would be closer to what Vinny Lecav is doing down in Tampa:
""Lecavalier commits $3M to cancer centre
...the Tampa Bay Lightning star centre is committing US$3 million through his charity foundation to a new children's hospital in St. Petersburg that's currently under construction.
''Starting my 10th year in the NHL here in Tampa, the community has been so good to me and I wanted to do something to give back,'' Lecavalier told The Canadian Press after the announcement Tuesday.
Lecavalier hosts the families of children with cancer in his VIP suite at several Lightning home games each season. ''I got to meet a lot of the kids,'' said Lecavalier. ''When you meet these kids and you see what they go through, the battles they go through, I wanted to help them.''
The Vincent Lecavalier Pediatric Cancer and Blood Disorders Center will occupy half of the seventh floor in the new All Children's Hospital.""
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=220769&hubname=nhl
http://www.vinny4.com/f_info.html
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Ok. So this is a pretty impressive class of Hall of Famers going in on November 12th:
2007 INDUCTEES
RON FRANCIS Player Category
• Won two Stanley Cup championships with the Pittsburgh Penguins
• Awarded five NHL trophies in career, including three-time Lady Byng recipient
• Recorded twenty 20+ goal seasons in career, including 13 consecutive
• Holds all major career Whalers/Hurricanes scoring records and had his
number ‘10’ retired by franchise
• Ranks second all-time in assists (1,249), third all-time in games played (1,731)
and fourth all-time in points (1,798)
JIM GREGORY Builder Category
• Won three Memorial Cup championships, two with the Toronto Marlboros
and one with the St. Michael’s Majors
• General Manager of the Toronto Maple Leafs for 10 seasons, leading team
to playoffs eight times
• NHL Executive since 1979, first hired to oversee newly formed NHL Central Scouting
• One of the first NHL Executives to recognize Europe as a talent pool
• Serves today as Senior Vice-President, Hockey Operations for the NHL
AL MacINNIS Player Category
• Won Stanley Cup championship and was named playoff MVP with the
Calgary Flames in 1989
• Awarded the James Norris Trophy as best defenceman in 1999
• Won Canada Cup in 1991 and Olympic gold medal in 2002
• Ranks third all-time among defencemen in goals (340), assists (934) and points (1,274)
• Considered to have one of the NHL’s hardest shots, winning the “Hardest Shot”
competition seven times
MARK MESSIER Player Category
• Won six Stanley Cup championships – five with the Edmonton Oilers and
one with New York Rangers
• Second all-time to Wayne Gretzky with 1,887 career points and second all-time
to Gordie Howe with 1,756 games played
• Only person in pro sport to captain two different teams to league championships
• Second all-time to Wayne Gretzky in playoff goals (109), assists (186) and points (295)
• Revered as one of sports’ greatest inspirational leaders
SCOTT STEVENS Player Category
• Won three Stanley Cup championships with the New Jersey Devils and was named
Playoff MVP in 2000
• Named to All-Rookie Team in 1983 and was a First Team All-Star twice and
Second Team All-Star three times
• Won the 1991 Canada Cup title as a member of Team Canada
• Finished as the NHL’s career leader among defencemen with 1,635 regular
season games played, fourth all-time among all players
• Renowned for his tenacious physical play and open-ice bodychecking skills
MEDIA HONOUREES:
BILL HEWITT
Hockey Night in Canada
play-by-play announcer
Foster Hewitt Memorial Award in recognition of excellence in hockey broadcasting, as selected by the NHL Broadcasters’ Association
DAVE FAY
Washington Times
Elmer Ferguson Memorial Award in recognition of excellence in hockey journalism, as selected by the Professional Hockey Writers’ Association
http://www.legendsofhockey.net/pdf/ind2007Brochure.pdf
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Joined: 10/14/2006
Msg: 4512 | |
| Historic irony for the Flames
Posted: 10/17/2007 9:31:26 AM | | ^^^lol, well maybe the Flames, Nucks and Leafs can have a Canadian Team Conference focusing on defensive lapses and blowing leads. | |
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| Historic irony for the Flames
Posted: 10/17/2007 7:15:08 PM | meltdown not so much 3 own goals, well goals off of flames players skates that found there way to the back of the net. flames out played the aves but when the other team gets all the puck luck you lose. its game 6 of the season 5 out of 8 points on a long road trip. other then that being a game they should have won great road trip.
and yet again another 2 goal night from a flames. iggy with 2 thats 6 games in a row a one flames player has scord 2. hope that keeps up.
go flames go
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| Historic irony for the Flames
Posted: 10/17/2007 8:27:20 PM | "and yet again another 2 goal night from a flames"
That ties an 80-year-old record!
Well...the "elite" teams don't give up four-goal leads ;)
From what I saw, the Flames definitely ouplayed the Avs in the first period. After that, not so much. And Kipper was less than impressive, both on the tying goal and particularly on the shootout.
26th overall in the NHL after last night....that's not near good enough for the Flames to have any chance.
Meanwhile, the infirmary line-up in Edmonton continues to lengthen. Souray out for a month...that's bad news. And our captain has yet to play a game. | |
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Posted: 10/17/2007 10:38:46 PM | ^^^Souray's had a history of shoulder issues.
Bob hartley of the Thrashers is the first coaching casualty of the new season. Hmmm. Wonder if the Leafs are maybe interested in a coach that's won a Cup. Naw. Why would they want that. | |
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| Historic irony for the Flames
Posted: 10/18/2007 3:45:43 AM | ive never said the flames were a elite team. i dont think they are. you cant go from non playoff team to elite team in just a few years.
and kipper looks pretty good. slow start but still not like he has fallen off the face of the earth.
go flames go
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| Historic irony for the Flames
Posted: 10/18/2007 3:46:29 AM | ^^^
I don't really think the Leafs problems are behind the bench.
Also, I think even I could have coached the 00/01 Avs to a Stanley Cup. | |
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| Historic irony for the Flames
Posted: 10/18/2007 3:53:19 AM | *** Notice the wink next to "elite". It was meant in jest. Don't get your jock in a knot.
As for Kip looking pretty good...even by his own admission, he has let in at least one goal every game he'd like back. He's actaully making Roloson look good so far this year. | |
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| Historic irony for the Flames
Posted: 10/18/2007 8:39:18 AM | | man the leafs are sad this year. their D is so slow. its like a bunch of derian hatchers out there. that being said, they are probably my favorite team to watch. they open the ice so well with their poor play. for real, whenever they are on, they are a must tivo for me. | |
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Posted: 10/18/2007 8:57:04 AM | ^^^lol, no kidding. Reading a lot of the articles on them I would think this is a coaching challenge in two respects. They don't seem to have a clue on a weakside rotation. Everyone seems to sort of forget who they're supposed to be picking up...Sundin was p1ssed about it as he ended up going minus 4 agin Buffalo because the D men weren't picking them up properly.
So it's a system breakdown if they even have a system which it doesn't look like they do. Plus it's a motivational thing as Maurice has to get more from this unit. 29 goals against is the worst in the league going inot last nights action. Just brutal compared to your Wild team that's let in like, what, 4 goals. Just brutal. And this is the most expensive defence in the league. Even Kaberle's playing like a ****.
251 shots against also leads the league. Maurice's chuckles the clown routine after the games is starting to wear thin. They should pick up 5 or 6 points against Fla, Chi, and Atlanta next 3 games, or I say turf him and give Hartley a stab at it. He's a nasty prick. maybe that's what the leafs need right now. Enuff of the chuckles the clown routine and begging Leaf fans to stop booing at home.
Start holding these Dmen accountable to their salaries and let's play some hockey. Maurice and his "Oh you guys are too hard on the lads" is bullsh1t. Call them out on the carpet and demand they start earning those fat paycheques.
Time to right ship-Leafs aim to be in zone on D
http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL/Toronto/2007/10/18/4586085-sun.html
Redemption waiting in next three games
http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL/Toronto/2007/10/18/4586087-sun.html
Leafs had a good day yesterday. They didn't play.
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Joined: 10/14/2006
Msg: 4522 | |
| Historic irony for the Flames
Posted: 10/18/2007 9:33:55 AM | ^^^^actually LA has the honours of having the worst goals against with 30.
I dont think a few games is the end of the world but i do agree that the Leafs d needs to step up and play better. Keep in mind though the leafs have played a couple more games that most teams.....Boston, Montreal and Buffalo in their division have 5 games played to date and TO has played 7...this will fluctuate the stats.
Since some of you are so big on stats after only 6, or 7 games, i'll throw in a couple more for you.
Raycroft has a better save percentage than Luongo as of today.
Toskola has a better save percentage than Kipper as of today.
Whats my point...its early in the season.
Some bright spots for the leafs so far;
Sundin is tied for 4th in total points.
N. Antropov has been a bright plus as well. He is tied for 2nd in goals.
N. Antropov is also presently the league leader in plus/minus.
It too early to blow of the leafs.
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| Historic irony for the Flames
Posted: 10/18/2007 10:26:08 AM |
It too early to blow of the leafs.
You're right it's early. I usually don't figure things have ironed themselves out until 10 or 12 games have been played. But please, LA? The second last team in the league is who we're comparing our goals against to. Wow. Just think, apart from Atlanta's crumby start, all the teams behind us have games in hand.
All the teams behind us being the Strangers and the Pens. And all the teams ahead of us have games in hand also except for the Sens.. So we can squeeze lemons into lemonade all day long here, but when a team has games in hand on you, both behind us and ahead of us, it's not a good spot to be in to gain ground from.
I can't remember what coach or GM it was a couple of years ago it was; maybe Kevin Lowe, Burke, or maybe even Sutter that explained that most teams don't realize they're out of it until they're long past being out of it. In other words, if we play the next two sets of, say, seven games, with the same record as we've just done, we now have to play well over .650 hockey to get back into the picture. Example, Even though St Louis played at a 650 clip last year after replacing the head coach with Murray, they still couldn't gain ground to get themselves jockeyed back into the playoff picture.
It's not how you start, but how you finish that counts, true dat, but, You finish on time if you start on time. Leafs need to get the sh1t out of their drawers and start playing some hockey.
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Joined: 10/14/2006
Msg: 4524 | |
| Historic irony for the Flames
Posted: 10/18/2007 11:10:11 AM | ^^^i was not comparing them to the Kings....i simply said that LA was in fact the league leader in goals against. You said it was the Leafs.
"The teams behind us have games in hand"
A review of Canadian teams shows that none are doing well aside from the Sens.
As of today the points and records are as follows;
Leafs 2-3-2....6 points
Habs 2-1-2.....6 points
Nucks 3-3-0...6 points
Flames 2-2-2..6 points
Oilers 2-4-0...4 points
Some US teams that did well last year that are also off to poor starts include;
NY Rangers 2-3-0 ...4 points
Pitt Penguins 2-3-0..4 points
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| Historic irony for the Flames
Posted: 10/18/2007 11:34:51 AM | Raycrofts 44th in the league in goals against and Toskala's 57th out of 62 goalies that have seen action so far this season. I'm impressed, And LA is one goal behind now, you're right, now that they put the boards to that elite Wild team two nites ago.
And again, all of those teams you just listed have games in hand on the leafs.
I'm not saying blow up the team. Let's get a system in place here to play some defence. Feck, this defence is healthy not including that defensive stalwart Colaicovo...So this is close to our regular defensive rotation. Kubina, Gill, Kaberle and Mccabe all have to start playing like professionals, and the forwards need to pick up the wingers. On the Sabres tying goal the other night the only man in front of the net was Sundin for crying out loud. Where the hell did the defense rotate to? Either this coach can implement defensive systems or he can't, and if he can't, then he shouldn't be in the job.
Watching the Ducks last year, you saw a team that always collapsed down low in their own end. Ottawa couldn't get thru 5 bodies to get good shots at Giguere. That was an integral part of their system, and a large part of the reason they had so much success. Watch the Sens do it, watch the red Wings do it. I'm sure the Wild do it as well, but we don't get to see them too often around here. Good teams do it, and also-rans don't.
My prediction tonite: Panthers 5 leafs 4
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