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Joined: 10/14/2006
Msg: 4651 | |
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Posted: 11/12/2007 2:49:05 PM | Yes i saw the pre game talk and mocho stuff by both Tuck and Avery....so what?
they dont like each other.
Both of them are their own respective teams pests.
It was a good tilt, both had good shots, but with a slight WIN for Tucker. 
NOTICE how Avery cut tail and ran like a scared cat when Bell wanted a piece of him?
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Posted: 11/12/2007 2:53:44 PM |
It was a good tilt, both had good shots, but with a slight WIN for Tucker.
NOTICE how Avery cut tail and ran like a scared cat when Bell wanted a piece of him?
You really dont get it do you?
You can't score while sitting in the penalty box.
Avery's importance to the Rangers is that he can take the other teams better players into the box with him. Doesn't matter that he loses the fight, he won when he took Tucker off the ice for 7 minutes. | |
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Joined: 10/14/2006
Msg: 4653 | |
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Posted: 11/12/2007 2:58:33 PM | ^^^and had you said that when Tucker was scoring and healthy i'd agree.
But he just got back from injury.
He has not scored this year.
Last year when he bagged 24 goals or the year before when he bagged 28 goals, sure.
Key is he played a good part of those years.
Tucker has not been himself this year. Now hopefully he is not playing hurt and we will see him return to yet another 20 goal plus season.
I say let him have his shots at Avery.
Lots of time now for him to get back to scoring.
Leaf Nation loves Tucker.
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Joined: 10/14/2006
Msg: 4654 | |
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Posted: 11/12/2007 3:04:01 PM | "Avery's importance to the Rangers is that he can take the other teams better players into the box with him"
well i'd like to see Avery grow some balls and take on some of the other bigger boys in the league, players that are better as you say.
He wont...he's a chicken, who cherry picks his tilts.
Like i said, notice how Avery turtled when Bell wanted a piece of him???
Ignila i believe has run in to that turd Avery too, just wanting for a good old Canadian ass whooping. | |
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Posted: 11/12/2007 3:04:43 PM | I give up.
Yes you are right and so proud of your Leafs.
Tucker won the fight Avery and the Rangers won the game.
Rangers on their way to the playoffs and Leafs will be golfing early again.
All is well in Leaf Nation...Well and stupid!
Leafs suck. | |
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Joined: 10/14/2006
Msg: 4656 | |
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Posted: 11/12/2007 3:17:38 PM | Its not about giving up.
when you call a fan favourite for many, a dumb fairy or whatever it was you said, expect some rebuttals thats all.
Tucker is a good old BC boy. A proud Canadian with a ton of enthusiam that most teams wish they had. I watched him play in Kamploops as a junior for the Blazers in the WHL. He was a scoring sensation there plus would scrap and not put up with shit from opposing teams. He's doing the same in the NHL, just not as much scoring output.
I remember in 93-94 he bagged 14o points. Then the next year followed suit with the same season before going to the NHL with the Habs. Im sure the Canadiens wish they kept him before he took of to Tampa for a couple seasons.
"Rangers on their way to the playoffs and Leafs will be golfing early again"
We shall see.
Most hockey experts are predicting the leafs will make the post season.
"Leafs suck"
ok..thanks for your feedback.
Rangers won in a shootout. I never was a fan of this/ ending games in a tie. In regulation this game was good. Hockey should be played as a team but whatever, another thread topic.
The leafs won the previous meeting between these two clubs in regulation. No breakaway's/shootout needed.
I get your point about Tucker not being able to score while in the box.
Thing is the leafs have the number one offense without him so far this year. I say let him duke it out with Avery. Antropov, Sundin, Blake and company have been scoring this year without Tuckers offense. When Tuck starts scoring again it will only be a bonus for an already high scoring team. | |
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Posted: 11/12/2007 3:17:56 PM | I'm not so sure Tucker won that scrap. The punches were pretty much even and Avery got the takedown. With Avery in the lineup last year the Strangers were 13-3 and 4. He's definitely a pot-stirrer. And he set up one plus scored their other of the two goals so he's very much a valuable little knob in that lineup. He did what he's paid to do, and he does it well.
Avery vs Tucker; November 10, 2007 "Rangers@Leafs"
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Joined: 10/14/2006
Msg: 4658 | |
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Posted: 11/12/2007 3:28:30 PM | Sly, ^^^im looking at the whole fight. Tucker was already falling form that last punch by Avery.
Avery didnt connect near as well as Tucker.
I give a slight win to Tucker not cause i like him and the leafs, its is because Tucker had the best shot thrown earlier on, and have more punches thrown. | |
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Posted: 11/12/2007 3:40:16 PM |
dumb fairy
I said no such thing.
I said he was a dumb hockey player.
He routinly takes stupid penalties.
The Leafs are terrible I feel sorry for Paul Maurice.
Long live john Ferguson Jr.
So we can all laugh at the Leafs a few more years.
Try 4th best offense. | |
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Posted: 11/12/2007 4:03:04 PM | shifting gears here for a sec. Funny last week when Kovalchuk got those back to back hat tricks. he scored in the first period of the next game looking for an unprecedented three hat tricks in a row. i wonder if a bunch of free agents gave a big sigh of relief when he took himself off the ice.
Just think if he'd gotten another hat trick at the time his goal totals would have matched the COMBINED totals of Vanek, Drury, Gomez and Briere so far this year. So at this point in the season it would look like Kovalchuk, doing the simple math, is worth about 35 million a season...or am i figuring it all out wrong?
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Joined: 10/14/2006
Msg: 4661 | |
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Posted: 11/12/2007 4:05:46 PM | "try 4th best offense"
a couple days ago it was #1...those stats change daily...so what!
"long live john Ferguson Jr.
So we can all laugh at the leafs a few more years."
Do you have anything intelligent to add besides your ranting and bashing of the Leafs?
Ferguson has not impressed Leaf Nation during his tenure, so try telling us something we dont already know or at least stick to the discussion before wimping out on another topic. We were discussing your admiration for Avery and your dissing of Tucker as a dumb hockey player were we not?
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Posted: 11/12/2007 5:47:11 PM | "well i'd like to see Avery grow some balls and take on some of the other bigger boys in the league, players that are better as you say.
He wont...he's a chicken, who cherry picks his tilts."
Come on Pucks - Avery and Tucker are spawn from the same seed. Not only have I seen Tucker turtle countless times, but I'm sure it was you who had this debate with possibly sly last year, and sly posted about 25 links of tucker either losing fights or turtling for you to watch.
And really, you don't have to look and further than Saturday night to know what kind of player Tucker is. Don't get me wrong, I am in no way defending Avery. I feel the same way about him as you do. But didn't I see Tucxker waving his stick around at eye level when the two were beaking at each other on Sautrday? Yes I did - in total Tucker fashion. He's maybe not quite as blatant about it these days as he was in the past, but Tucker is a little sh!T-disturbing cherry picking of a fighter as well. Most Leaf fans will admit it.
Hey, they are both the kind of players you love on your team and hate on the opposition. I think Tucker is capable of bringing more offence to the table - he's proven as much - but history says he's every bit as capable at the dirty, back-stabbing, stick jousting, spearing crap. | |
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Posted: 11/12/2007 8:51:26 PM |
Ferguson has not impressed Leaf Nation during his tenure, so try telling us something we dont already know or at least stick to the discussion before wimping out on another topic. We were discussing your admiration for Avery
See you just don't get it. I have no admiration for Avery I am just amazed that Tucker could be so stupid to fall for his crap. You need to watch another team to see what real hockey is.
The Leaf Nation is a 3rd world country! | |
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Joined: 10/14/2006
Msg: 4664 | |
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Posted: 11/12/2007 9:44:41 PM | ^^^^And you just dont get it.
"you need to watch another team to see what real hockey is"
you need to not tell me what to do.
I watch local junior A Vernon Vipers, WHL Kelowna Rockets and WHL Kamploops Blazers.
Im a fan of all Canadian teams not just the leafs. I was born in TO and visit their sometimes do to family and friends residing their.
I often go to Nucks and Flames games as well.
"The Leaf Nation is a 3rd World country
stupidiest comment yet.
The Leafs are the most popular team in the NHL. They are #1 in league revenues. Yet according to you their a 3rd world country. lol... | |
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Joined: 10/14/2006
Msg: 4665 | |
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Posted: 11/12/2007 11:06:57 PM | Jokester,
"Avery and Tucker are spawn from the same seed"
yes i said that...just different words...read up above in previous posts.
yes i did have a debate on this before.
"Tucker is a shT disturbin cherry picking of a fighter as well."
This is where i disagree. you were fine with shit disturbing, i'll agree with that but cherry picking please. Tucker has gone toe to toe with some of the tougher fighters. While he doesnt take on the heavy weights like Laroque or Brashear he has fought much tougher opponents than Avery. This is what i meant by cherry picking. Have a look at Tucker's vs Avery's fights over their career. Im sure you'll see the difference in the type of fighter these guys choose to tangle with. Tucker's been in the NHL 6-7 yrs longer than Avery so he has more fights to date, but Here's some of the fights these pests have been in;
Tucker has fought; Paul Mara, Patrick Eaves, Cam Jannsen, Greg DeVries, Shane Hindy, Chris Neil, Francis Bouillion, Luke Richardson, Rob Ray, Kevin Haller, Cory Sarich, Sean ODonnell, Ed Jovanoski, Darius Kasparatis and Dale Hunter.
Avery has fought; T.Nash, Rob Dimaio, Trevor Linden, M. Gelinas, M. Sillinger, M. Johnson, Brendan Morrow, Cory Perry, Mike Fisher, I. Kovalchuk, Rob Brown, and Peter Forsberg.
Dont you see the difference...Cherry Picking at its best. Avery's fights largely are against forwards, more skilled players, whereas Tuckers fights are with bigger men and more defencemen. In essence much tougher fights for Darcy than Sean
"didnt i see Tucker waving his stick around"
ya he did...so??
I was too busy watching Avery run from Bell. | |
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Posted: 11/13/2007 4:26:05 AM | "didnt i see Tucker waving his stick around"
ya he did...so??
Well that's where you and I differ. Darcy Tucker likes using equipment as weapons (helmets, sticks, etc). and to me that is the most cowardly act on ice.
As for your list of who each of them has fought, looks pretty jaded. I can't argue it without doing some research - all I can say is I've seen Tucker bait and turtle on many occasions and what Avery did Saturday is exactly what he is paid to do. He should have been named fist star, if he wasn't. | |
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Joined: 10/14/2006
Msg: 4667 | |
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Posted: 11/13/2007 10:32:19 AM | ^^^fair enough. i didnt see Tucker actually use his stick to hit Avery with it...right? he was just waving it.
"as for your list of who each of them has fought, looks pretty jaded"
i got those fights from hockeyfights.com...its lists each players fights. I did not list all of Avery's and Tuckers fights...too many...Tucker has some 80 plus fights in his 14 yr career. ...So i viewed each seasons tilts...and stated some of the competitors. What i didnt see was Tucker fighting with Kovalchuck, Forsberg, Trevor Linden, B. Morrow etc. as Avery did....Shows the type of fights he gets into..Tucker's fights were tougher...with the likes of Chirs Neil, Rob Ray, Luke Richardson, Ed Jovanoski.
On a side note, Interesting that TSN stated yesterday....Avery has a meeting with Bettman this week. | |
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Posted: 11/13/2007 10:55:07 AM | | yeah...reports are suggesting that Avery started the whole thing with some comments to Blake regarding his cancer. Totally classless act, if that is indeed the case - typical of Avery, though. | |
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Joined: 10/14/2006
Msg: 4669 | |
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Posted: 11/13/2007 11:13:09 AM | ^^^yup.
Tucker and Avery already had a history before the pre game antics. They had fought before this most recent scrap.
So if its true and Avery spewed his sheeeet about Blake, no wonder Tucker, Bell and the Leafs were pissed. Tucker stepped in and defended his teammate. Nothing wrong with that.
I'll agree Tucker is a shit disturber but would he stoop to bringing in health matter and personal issues as Avery did? hard to say.....i dont think Tucker is as classless as Avery is though. | |
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Posted: 11/13/2007 11:50:33 AM | | I'll agree with youthere. I've never heard of Tucker saying untoward things to the opposition. Avery has a history of doing so. | |
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Posted: 11/13/2007 1:49:57 PM | Avery causes a stir
NHL might investigate trash talk
...Leafs players weren't exactly shooting down unconfirmed talk that Avery made a derogatory reference to Blake's chronic myelogenous leukemia, a rare but treatable form of cancer, during the pre-game shoving match. Tucker and Avery later fought and traded insults in the penalty box. TSN reported last night that Avery will be talking to NHL senior vice-president Colin Campbell, but the purpose of the call is unclear.
"No comment, I don't want to get into it," Blake said when asked yesterday...
"I'm not going to get into what was said or not said," he replied. "Even if you play on the edge, there is a line that can't be crossed. It's out of our hands."
Tucker was referring to the NHL investigating the incident, but its extent beyond the referees filing their usual post-game report could not be verified. But one eavesdropper near the penalty bench said Avery had mentioned Tucker's family in a harsh manner and that young children were in earshot of the harangue.
Avery was quiet after the game, which might have had something to do with Rangers general manager Glen Sather telling him to zip it before the media was let in.
Tucker admitted he was no angel in the trash-talking department as a younger player.
"It was not something becoming of an NHLer," he said. "Early in my career, I spoke to Colin. When you get a family, it changes your life and your attitude toward others."
http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL/Toronto/2007/11/13/4652349-sun.html
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Someone will 'kill' Avery
Belak: Pest will pay for his antics
Wade Belak predicts it is only a matter of time before Sean Avery gets seriously clocked....
...Belak said the instigator rule allows small superpests such as Avery to get away with his tactics without the fear of retribution.
"The league should do something, especially with that warmup crap," Belak said. "The instigator rule protects guys like that. He'll fight little guys like Darcy but you'll never see him pick on bigger guys like me and then drop the gloves. ...
...Belak rejects the notion making the rounds that there is no difference between Tucker and Avery.
"Darcy's an agitator but he doesn't say the type of personal stuff about your family that Avery does," Belak said. "It's ridiculous. If (Avery) ever starts chirping about my family like that, he'll get a stick over the head."
http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL/Toronto/2007/11/12/4650016-sun.html
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If i've said it once, I've said it. They need to get rid of that retarded instigator rule. | |
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Posted: 11/13/2007 3:41:16 PM | "If i've said it once, I've said it. They need to get rid of that retarded instigator rule."
Why? That doesn't deter fighting in the least!
Get rid of it because it's a useless rule, but don't say Avery didn't get his comeuppance because of it. Fghting is up over 50% in the NHL this year. The instigator rule isn't stopping anything.
Incidentally...Avery is planning on suing the Team 590 for slander, saying he said nothing of the sort and it was a homer station spreading completely untrue rumours. Avery has had family members die of cancer and say he would never throw something like that around. | |
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Joined: 10/14/2006
Msg: 4673 | |
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Posted: 11/13/2007 4:39:22 PM | ^^^I saw that report too that fighting is way up this year.
Guess will have to wait to see the results if the NHL does investigate.
If Bettman is have a meeting with Avery, wouldnt that mean that Blake or Tucker or leafs Management has started a complaint process on his remarks during pre game? | |
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Posted: 11/13/2007 5:34:05 PM | Kypreos and Bill Watters are chatting about it now at the intermission of the game here between the leafs and the habs. i was reading some sports blogs around the nation over the last couple of days and it does seem like it could be somewhat toronto media driven.
It sounds more like Avery said something to Tucker about his kids or something and this lit the fuse. it's interesting that Tucks would take such offense to this if it is the truth. I remember a chum of mine that did play in the NHL years ago tellimg me half the league used to get under lafleur's skin by tellimg him that they boffed his wife while they were in Montreal the night before waiting for the habs to get back from out of town. I wonder just how much times have changed if Tucker believes what he says that one shouldn't be saying things like your momma wears army boots or whatever. or how's your wife and my kids doing?
As for the instigator, if whether a heavyweight could knock Avery's lights out without the extra penalty is something i'm not thinking about as much as saying extending someone like a Sidney Crosby's playing days and longevity. Belak wasn't even dressed last week for that game or the game against the Sens, so as long as Maurice keeps sitting him, then the rest of the league will keep beating up Tucker.
i think bell's still feeling his way out and I wonder if it's something of a politically correctness thing right now with him as to why he didn't dance with neal last week or Avery saturday night. Maybe he thinks he needs to sell leaf fans on him first because of his pending convict status or something. I can't wait personally for him to knock somebody's lights out.
When the teams had policemen that could act like policemen for their club, the stars were allowed more to play thier game. Ricky middleton had his terry oreilly and Lafleur had big Pierre bouchard just to mention a couple of the old policeman. Imagine how many points a playmaker like Crosby might get if he had a Semenko out there policing for him? I think they should bring it back, and yes, I do realize that fights are up right now this year.
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Posted: 11/13/2007 6:50:10 PM | "Imagine how many points a playmaker like Crosby might get if he had a Semenko out there policing for him?"
He does have one. His name is Georges Laraque. Pittsbugh certainly didn't pick him up for his scoring prowess.
As for rude comments now being taboo, I remember when Craig MacTavish first came back after serving his year for vehicular homicide. He came to Edmonton the next season and his first game in Philadelphia, fans were chanting "VH" "VH" every time he touched the puck. Times sure have changed. What would those fans have gotten from Campbell??? | |
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