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Posted: 11/13/2007 8:11:45 PM | i was thinkin' about Mac T tonite as well, and maybe Bell's a bit in his shoes right now feeling his way around a bit. he's looked good as a leaf and worked hard setting up our third goal tonite. But what a beautiful pass from McCabe to Komisarek in the OT tonite. Right on the tape to set him off on a breakaway on Raycroft..
3 real braindead mistakes on 3 goals tonite gives up what should have been two points. This is going to be long season unless these guys decide to stop beating themselves. They're actually playing not bad if it weren't for all the mental lapses.
So the league fined Avery 2500, Tucker a grand, The Strangers 25K and the Leafs 10K
Blakes a classy guy. he wasn't bemoaning Avery tonite at all. Actually giving him kudos for his role in the NHL and how he performs it.
As for Tucks, sometimes he's got brains like syrup. To say on national tv on a Saturday night game about the classlessness of Avery sounds a bit like a whiny hockey player. And that's just not what a hockey player is all about. Leave it on the ice. Most players I think would just brush this crap off like lint, but Tucker, even after all these years, still lets this sh1t get to him, and that's where he's stupid. Just my two cents. I'm sure if fans in New Jersey or Ottawa or Long Island, or Buffalo, or...(you get my drift) heard that they would have fallen off their couches laffing at Tucker calling Avery classless...
But yeah, Mac T had to move on from Boston, and in the end it was a fantastic mov for him, like i hope the bell move to TO turns out. Just like Gilmour had to move on from St. Louis and Sissyrelli had to move on from Minny when stories were floating around about young teenage girls. Rumours mind you, but opposing players and fans can get pretty cruel. I'm sure Avery was tellin' Tucks that his kids were actually his brother in laws Shane Corsons...lol | |
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Posted: 11/13/2007 9:41:56 PM | I guess I missed the part in the new CBA where fines to players could exceed $1,000.
Speaking of fines, see that Gretz got fined 10G for not controlling his bench. Nick Boynton instigated a fight late in Saturday's game and the league rules call for a 10G fine against the head coach in such instances. Nice to see he's not getting any favours from the NHL. | |
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Posted: 11/14/2007 1:44:22 PM | "The most dangerous line in hockey could be reunited Thursday"
Spezza- Heatley- Alfredsson.
^^^ Those are the words from Sportsnet.ca
As if the Sens weren't already a power house Hockey team now they get their top player back too! | |
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Posted: 11/14/2007 6:35:26 PM |
The Leafs are the most popular team in the NHL. They are #1 in league revenues. Yet according to you their a 3rd world country. lol..
Thats the whole problem with the Leafs.
Financialy they are great, on ice product is a mess. 40 year Stanley Cup drought.
So as a hockey "nation" they are 3rd world.
Tucker was the first to use his stick the other nite in the warmup. | |
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Posted: 11/14/2007 7:05:01 PM | From the Star... Oh My
For starters, you had the team and one of the veterans it counts upon for mature leadership, Darcy Tucker, rapped on the knuckles and fined by the NHL for participating in a truly adolescent scene last Saturday night in the pre-game warm-up with the Rangers.
Try as they might to make it all Sean Avery's fault, the Leafs were, essentially, found equally culpable in the idiotic episode.
Then came a game against the Montreal Canadiens last night, one in which the Leafs blew a pair of one-goal leads and then were left absolutely stunned as Bryan McCabe struck again.
It wasn't an own goal this time, mind you, but a horrific giveaway with less than a minute gone in overtime that allowed Montreal defenceman Mike Komisarek to skate the length of the ice and pot the winning goal in a 4-3 Canadiens victory.
For a mind-blowing $7 million a year in salary, the Leafs own a shell-shocked defenceman who is a nervous, bumbling shadow of his former all-star self.
Finally, to add a layer of ridiculousness to the day, the Leafs were forced to put out a bizarre news release after the game concerning nude photographs of their prize rookie, 19-year-old Jiri Tlusty, that have been posted on the Internet in recent days. Those randy pics followed up on another photo last week that appeared to show Tlusty tonguing another male. | |
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Posted: 11/14/2007 7:11:08 PM | "the Leafs were, essentially, found equally culpable in the idiotic episode"
Oh please. If Slys post was accurate, Avery was fined $2500 and Tucker 1,000.
The Rangers got fined $25,000 and the Leafs $10,000. If it was equally culpable some would agrue the fines would have been the same for both teams. The Rangers and Avery took larger fines for a reason. | |
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Posted: 11/14/2007 9:00:46 PM | Pucks, the reason Avery and the Rangers were fined more was because it was Avery's second pregame incident in a week...... He like usual got into it last week with Brodeur.
Tonight the rangers and devils met again and Avery was on his best behaviour..... For now..... LOL..... | |
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Posted: 11/14/2007 10:17:04 PM | "40 year Stanley Cup drought"
" So as a hockey "nation" they are 3rd World"
^^^^^more spin please.
Firstly, Leaf Nation is named that due to its popularity all across Canada not just in Southern Ontario. Their fans are coast to coast.
Chicago owns the longest stanley cup drought honours....at 45 years without winning a cup.
It took the NY Rangers 54 years to end their Stanley Cup drought.
Here are some other teams we have waiting a long time to win the cup.
Los Angeles 40 years
St. Louis 40 years
Vancouver 37 years
Buffalo 36 years
Boston 35 years
Washington 33 years
Winn/Pheonix franchise 27 years
Just the Leafs longing for a cup eh...cough bs cough. | |
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Posted: 11/15/2007 11:18:33 AM |
Firstly, Leaf Nation is named that due to its popularity all across Canada not just in Southern Ontario. Their fans are coast to coast.
Spin is Leaf Nation. 3rd world when they can't even come up with an original marketing ploy. Nation is copied directly from the Boston Red Sox.
Its not spin its fact!
40 years without a Cup or a finals appearance. With the exception of Phoenix all those teams you mention have been to a Cup final in the past 40 years. At least those franchises are trying.
It is a shame the the Great city of Toronto has had no viable hockey playing franchise for the past 40 years.
Forget Winnipeg, Forget Quebec City, Forget Hamilton....I say Put An NHL Franchise in Toronto Today Mr. Bettman!! | |
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Posted: 11/15/2007 12:33:51 PM | "Nation is copied directly from the Boston Red Sox."
Actually the original team that dubbed that term for its fans was the Oakland Raiders - Raider Nation | |
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Posted: 11/15/2007 1:10:11 PM | The leafs have won the cup 13 times...out of the original 6 teams only the Habs have won more...
I agree that the leafs have had poor teams in the modern era. Am not denying that.
They did make the East finals in the Gilmour years and bowed out to Gretz and the Kings.
My point was, many well established franchises are longing for the Cup. | |
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Posted: 11/15/2007 1:19:01 PM |
Actually the original team that dubbed that term for its fans was the Oakland Raiders - Raider Nation
The term first appeared in relation the the Sox in 1986. What year was it first associated with the Raiders?
My point was, many well established franchises are longing for the Cup.
Yes there are many and of all of them I believe the Leafs will have the longest wait. They are sadly pathetic.
It wasn't an East final. They simply ranked all 16 teams back then.
All of Leaf StagNation Chant With Me..........
"We want a hockey team'!
"We want a hockey team"! | |
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Posted: 11/15/2007 1:52:47 PM | I'll just toss this out there for good measure. I believ Hamilton could beat the leafs right now. The leafs suck they;ve always sucked at least as long as I've been alive and this is coming from a St. Louis guy.
I'm in Atlanta now and I'd much rather watch the Thrashers or Blues then the lowly leafs. It's like Toronto and Ontario take such great pride in their hockey and then when the kids make it to the big club they just lay down.
The Habs demand a certain level of play and have always done so. They don't always achieve but they don't just sit back and take it either. It's the curse of Conn Smythe. The leafs are the Chicago cubs of hockey. The Blackhawks will win another cup before the leafs do. Hell, the Blues may finally bag one before the leafs do.
For God's sake your hero is mats sundin. Puh-leez. Messier he is not. 7 mil for Bryan Mccabe. What the hell is your front office thinking. The Blues will take him and you guys can pay half his salary for the life of his contract.
Ottawa is the best team in Canada and has been since we let Heatley go due to his car accident. RIP 37. Just continue to sit back and b!tch. Somebody has to finish in the basement. | |
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Posted: 11/15/2007 2:34:38 PM |
What year was it first associated with the Raiders?
i wouldn't know officially, but Johhn Madden and Kenny the Snake Stabler won a SuperBowl in the mid 70's and Raider Nation's homefiled, the old Oakland Coliseum, was a very scary place to go watch a game back then, so I think they've got the BoSox beat on that one.
It wasn't an East final. They simply ranked all 16 teams back then.
Actually it was an east versus west back then as the leafs were in the West in the old Norris division. They lost the western finals to the Kings in the NHL's 75th anniversary who went on to lose to the Habs. And the next year, the leafs were the only of the previous years Final Four in the Final Four again as they lost to the Canucks in a 2-3-2 format before Linden and Quinn went on to lose to the Strangers. | |
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Posted: 11/15/2007 3:44:37 PM | Very good it was a West Final.
That was also the year of all the upsets and a mediocre Montreal team won the cup. | |
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Posted: 11/15/2007 4:02:34 PM | | Mediocre? Patrick Roy's 2nd cup and 2nd Conn Smythe in 4 years. Entering the era of clutch and grab, neutral zone trap. Goaltenders for the ages. Mediocre? Gretzky's self proclaimed finest game in game 7 vs. the leafs and the goal off the skate from behind the net. Mediocre? You sir sound like a no touch icing, take the fighting out of hockey kind of sort to me. | |
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Posted: 11/15/2007 4:17:18 PM | With the exception of Patrick Roy it was very mediocre. Vincent Damphouse, Brian bellows. Mediocre.
Roy and the upsets delivered the Cup to Montreal that year. But it still counts. And that 3 year man Jaques Demers. ugh!
You sir sound like a no touch icing, take the fighting out of hockey kind of sort to me.
YOU SIR? Georgia hmmmm...You and Rhett Butler have never had on a pair of skates.
No touch icing ...yes ...there are too many injuries associated with touch icing.
Fighting, I say take out the instigator rule and let the boys dance. | |
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Posted: 11/15/2007 4:24:01 PM | | Originally from St.louis and been skating since the age of 5. Coached since the age of 28. Silver medal in the national championships in '99 and I'm thinking with your previous comments I'd be gone with the wind. Normally I'd refuse to have a battle of wits w/an unarmed man but in your case I'll make an exception. BTW, Orr v. Cote in a great fight 3 min. in to NYRv.PHI | |
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Posted: 11/15/2007 6:09:11 PM | Re: 92/93 Playoffs:
Montreal upset the Nordiques after being down 0-2 in the opening round. They then beat Buffalo who had upset Adams division champ Bruins. Then they beat the Islanders who had upset both the Pens and the Capitals. That Habs team was the one that won 10 overtime playoff games. So them coming out of the East could easily have been termed unexpected and an upset.
The Kings, and Mr. gretzky who high-sticked and cut Dougie Gilmour on the face late in Game 6, had upset Smyth Division champ Canucks, and then number 2 Flames in the second round. Kerry Fraser, in one of the most irrational, perplexing and illogical displays of referreeing I've ever seen, gave Gilmour 2 minutes for interference and a short time later, the Series was headed back to Toronto for Game 7.
That was the best Leaf team I had seen since a) the Sittler, Salming, Lanny days going head to head every year with the Broad Street Bullies; and b) when I was 8 and the Leafs won their last Cup with Punch Imlach and Davey Keon and Tim Horton and Baun and Pulford and Armstrong, Bower, Pappin etc. Yep. Seems like only 40 years ago.
The 93 leafs had upset The Detroit Dead Things in an unbelievable 7 game series ending with Mike Foligno feeding Nicky borschevsky for the Game 7 Overtime Winner. That Series was the best Series I ever seen a leaf team play. Then they met the Blues who had upset the Snorris Champ ChiHawks with Eddie belfour being blown out the door by Cujo. I don't believe that as good as Cujo was with Edmonton or the leafs, that he was as good as he was originally in St. Louis.
Finally in game 2 the Leafs were so fed up that Wendel just drilled one of his hardest shots ever, coming over the blueline right at Cujo's head. The old Bobby Hull trick worked as Cujo finally become almost human after that. The first two games of the Series the leafs won at home in double overtime both nites. In Game one Gilmour did his dippsydoodle backtracking behind the net on Cujo and stuffing it back in on the short side on him. It was the leafs 63rd shot of the night. Anyway, the leafs went on to take the Blues in 7.
i was actually very very surprised we lost the Series to LA after those two first Series's. The leafs were the favorites going in to win it in 6, but, it will be remembered by most Leaf fans as the reason why we would like to mess up Kerry Fraser's hair. Burns might be remembered for trying to go over the glass in game one at Kings coach Melrose for McSorley's hit on Gilmour. Clarke punished McSorley on the spot. mcSorley was caught flatfooted not expecting Wendy to come at him and Clarke just speedbagged him bigtime.
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Posted: 11/15/2007 6:28:01 PM | "The term first appeared in relation the the Sox in 1986. What year was it first associated with the Raiders?"
Raider Nation has been around since the mid-70s as far as I can remember. I first recall the phenomenom with the John-Madden-coached team, that became the sentimental favourites of a lot of football fans because Madden built a championship out of players a lot of whom were discarded by other teams. Fans started shwoing up for Raider road games dressed in all kinds of freaky "Mad Max" style outfits. | |
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Posted: 11/15/2007 8:11:40 PM | | Rangers just won their 4th straight in a shootout against the flyers...... This is getting fun........ I guess it just took awhile till the new players fit in.... Gomez has had an easier time than Drury though...... But Drury is clutch in the playoffs....... | |
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Posted: 11/16/2007 10:09:17 AM | Hey Sly,
Thanks for the recap on the 93 season.
wasnt that Gilmours jersey number? cant recall right now...hmmm
Anyway, i miss Killer and the Clarke days.
I used to love the Probert, Kocer/Clarke fights.
Wonder if the leafs should consider someone like Clarke or Gilmour in the management team. Seems fergie is useless. Another defensive lapse last nite against Boston. With the number 2 offence, if they could get their shit togther on D, we could compete for a higher spot in the standings. At least Buffalo is doing worse. What is leaf management waiting for to address this? | |
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Posted: 11/16/2007 12:02:17 PM | Leafs management-----Isn't that an oxy-moron?
Leafs offense(6th as of today) is falling splat faster than a pumpkin the day after Halloween!
I heard Glen Healy say a couple of weeks ago that Nick Lidstrom is the 2nd best defenseman all time. We all know who #1 is(no Leaf fans its not Salming) so who do you think is #2? | |
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Posted: 11/16/2007 12:30:40 PM |
We didn't play well, that's for sure. We didn't play a full 60 minutes," We had a few miscues on their goals and it just wasn't acceptable. We just weren't good enough. We've got to play better than that, there's no doubt about it."
Matty Stajan
http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL/Games/2007/11/15/4659526-ap.html
Bell apparently lost his tilt with this 19 year old kid Lucic. I watched a whack of this kid Lucic's fights last night on you tube, but the Bell one isn't posted there yet unless someone else found it. Leafs drop their 4th out of their last 5. They're still in 8th mathematically but the Islanders, one point back, have 5 games in hand. As a matter of fact everyone except the Panthers have multiple games in hand on the leafs. So, at the quarter mark, if the Leafs keep playing this way, they're not gonna make it. I do believe they have the team right now to make it though. I just think they're playing like a bunch of wussies with their head up their arse half the time when it comes to defensive responsibilities. The next closest team to them in goals against is over a full goal per game against lower, so this is really starting to border on ridiculuous now. Where's Bob Baun, Bones Glennie, and Carl Brewer when we need them.
It baffles me why Maurice would start Raycroft in Beantown. Dumb decision if you ask me. Wosnewski and White need to be benched or demoted or traded. Just too too many mistakes by these two young blueliners every nite. But in fairness, McCabe and Gill are making just as many mistakes. Mccabe is playing like a rookie.
I made a mistake or two on the story of Wendel's slapper at Cujo's head last nite. First, it was game three in St. louis that he let 'er rip. I was watching the game out of town in a bar in the old Canadian motel in the Soo. Back in the days when Teddy Nolan was coaching the Soo and Tucker was playing for Kamloops. 2nd, the originator of the slapshot at the head wasn't Bobby Hull although he was very very effective with it to start the game. It was actually Brian Conacher that was creditted with the old tactic.
As for best D man. Boy there's a lot we could pick from. 2 good ones were inducted this week, but no one on here seems to give two hoots about the hall of famers this week, so it was Macinnis and Stevens if anyone cares. Bourque and Robinson and Denny Potvin would be good candidates. But before most folks on here would remember, there was a defenceman known for revolutionizing the position and controlling the tempo of a hockey game that Orr developed further. That would have been Doug Harvey of the Habs. | |
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