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Posted: 11/24/2007 9:34:17 AM | Wow
Looks like a little disharmony in Leaf Stagnation.
With this latest grotesque turnover by a Leaf Defenseman (and I use the term loosly) the question begs...Is this the worst defense squad ever assembled in the history of the NHL? | |
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Posted: 11/24/2007 10:20:45 AM | Im a fan of most Canadian teams.
The Leafs defintley have defensive struggles and are having difficulity finding their identity on a consistent basis. That being said, the other Candian teams i keep tabs on are struggling as well.
the Canucks at 11-9 are above 500 but have not looked well. I have watched most of their games this year and they have been inconsistent in offensive and defenese.
The Flames are in the same boot, struggling to find their groove. Thier record below 500 is at 9-10-3.
The Oilers are prolly our worst Canadian team at the moment. You can thank Lowe for losing their heart and soul Smyth and one of their better defencemen in captain Smith.
How about some American teams that did well last year and are struggling this year.
Dont need to look further than the Cup champions Ducks. (but i think they will turn it around)
How about Crosby and the Pens?...at 9-11-2
or the Buffalo Sabres....at 9-10-1
Whats my point ? Its still early and many teams are not playing up to par. I'd say after Christmas will tell us if these above teams have any hope of playing better and making the playoffs. | |
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Posted: 11/24/2007 10:45:01 AM |
the question begs...Is this the worst defense squad ever assembled in the history of the NHL?
Nope. Not the worst ever. But 81 goals against?! My gawd.. Poor old jokesters Oilers lost 4 defencemen in a week about a month ago, and have a goalie that a lot of folks still aren't sold on, and they're still only at 71 goals against.
It's really a case of that old axiom from the razors edge. Where one cheap foul tip a week landing fair instead of foul, turns a 200 hitter into a 300 hitter for the season.
One less mental mistake by the leafs and we've have about 7 or 8 more wins than we do. Apart from all the free agents signed by the Rangers, this leaf squad stacks up competitively with any other team in the league with the possible exception of the Wings. They're just playing like a Tier Two hockey club and that's why they sit where they sit.
Kubina (presently hurting), Gill, Mccabe and Kaberle, on paper, are the best starting 4 dmen group possibly in the league. Too bad they don't play on paper. They play on ice. Wosnewski and White are both 6th defencemen at best and we can only handle one of these clowns at a time on our club. White had a great junior creer but seems to think he's Bobby orr. he's got a great outlet pass and sometimes reminds me of Wade redden the way he stckhandles. Wonewski is supposedly a stay-at-home defenceman, but you'd never know it the number of times he gets caught up-ice on a bad pinch. They'll both be solid number 6 Dmen in their time, but that time is not now. These two guys have singlehandedly cost the leafs now about 10 points.
The difference between winning and losing is often no more than the razors edge. It really doesn't take that much more work to change froma loser to a winner.
Countless championships have been won with the underlying premise that good teams just DO NOT beat themselves. That's why I'm just gonna follow along in the papers until they have a change in philosophy. These two points they keep throwing out the window don't come down with the rain. They'll be looking for all these lost points come march and early April when they fall a day late and a dollar short for the third straight season. We're back to 1980's leaf hockey where they are quickly becoming the league joke. 9 backup goalies we've faced and we've won two of those games. That's an outright slap in the Leafs face but they refuse to do anything about it. The rest of the league knows the leafs most nights are an easy two points, and are routinely now starting their backup goalies because they know stellar goaltending isn't needed to beat the leafs. Give their number one goalie the night off because the leafs will fins a way to give you your two points anyway.
i can't watch a team beat themselves night after night. I can live with a team losing if it was a hard fought toe to toe affair. Goals are mostly caused by forcing the other team into making mistakes. With this Leaf squad, the rest of the league doesn't have to force the leafs into mindless mistakes. They do it for them. Whether it's unforced giveaways, or being lazy on the backcheck, or not picking up their man on a weakside rotation, or just plain lazy stupid hooking, interference or holding calls. The guy said it right last night after the game. The leafs just seem to find new ways and come up with new ways to lose a game every night.
I'd rather watch an injury decimated Oiler club go 3--6-1 that watch a relatively healthy leaf squad make boneheaded mistakes and go 3-5-2 over the same stretch. there's a difference. they both end up with 'L's" for the night, but one team tries to overcome the adversity of injuries while the other team just stops trying after the second intermission.
Just one small change can bring big big changes. Little hinges swing big doors. Vince Lombardi always preached "If you look after all the little things, the big picture will look after itself." The leafs are the prototype team exemplifying much of today's culture. they don't sweat the small stuff and they're sinking deeper and deeper away from their goals. The teams that look after the little details are winning and autumn's over now, so the leafs have fallen.
Gawd i had a beautiful dinner with a friend last night in a beautiful restaurant clebrating something. Waiting for desert I slipped over to the restroom and caught the score on the way by. 1-0 leafs. We came back to my place later to check on the dog only to see Wosnewski throw the puck over to kaberle in a completely mindless move.. Same old stuff every night of the week.
None of us are getting any younger here. And it's a darn shame now that we're back to playing 1980's style leaf hockey once again. Bring back Burnsy or Quinn, or bring in Martin. Just get someone in here who'll force some discipline into these pansies.
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Posted: 11/24/2007 11:11:17 AM | Whats my point ?
You know pucks, you're a nice guy and all that, but you keep on coming up with the same defence for losing hokcey and mediocre hockey. You like to keep comparing the leaf team to clubs as low as them in the standings. It kinda reminds of little-johnny-one -note bringing his report card home and trying to tell his dad that everyone's failing Physics. And dear old dad used to say, i don't give a sh1t how lousy the other one's are doing. i want to know what you're going to do to fix your results!"
If you're a leaf fan then why keep comparing sh1t to sh1t?
Ferguson's goal and maurices goal is to make the playoffs this year. The thing about goal setting is you have to set an aim high concept because of the natural laws of gravity. If you shoot an arrow at a target on a tree, you have to aim above the target because natural gravity causes the arrow to fall short. If you shoot for the playoffs and fall short you wind up golfing on the 10th of April. If however, you set your goal to win the Division, or even the Cup, then when you fall short, you still wind up in the playoffs. The Wings, the Ducks, the Sens don't try to make the playoffs each year. They try to field a competitive enough team to challenge for a Cup. That's the big difference. Attitude determines altitude.
Hence the old saying:"Shoot for the moon because if you fall short, you still wind up amongst the stars which is a good place to be.
This proves itself with the 5 ties. Leafs aren't playing to win a championship. They're playing not to lose. You tend to get what you expect. Unfortunately that's not going to be enough to get this club into the playoffs. And for your info in case you haven't noticed. Those sabres are getting their game back on track and are now technically ahead of the leafs on record because of the two games in hand. When they hit rock bottom will you admit they play like wimps? And Lindy Ruff deserves a tip of the hat for getting this club that was literally raped over the summer back into the swing of things.
They'll put the late charge on again with ten or fifteen games to go and then all the perenially mindless leaf fans will pine away again for another summer about the up-and-comers and the positive signs we saw at the end of last season yadda yadda yadda. Been there thanks.
They have a two week road trip over Xmas. If they keep playing this way, by New years eve they should be buried and well on heir way to a second half largely relegated to the role of spoiler. | |
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Posted: 11/24/2007 11:12:19 AM |
One less mental mistake by the leafs and we've have about 7 or 8 more wins than we do. Apart from all the free agents signed by the Rangers, this leaf squad stacks up competitively with any other team in the league with the possible exception of the Wings. They're just playing like a Tier Two hockey club and that's why they sit where they sit.
Kubina (presently hurting), Gill, Mccabe and Kaberle, on paper, are the best starting 4 dmen group possibly in the league. Too bad they don't play on paper.
What the heck are you smoking?
I want some!
This is why the leafs will never win. It's because of fans like these (who keep shelling out the big bucks for the crap that they routinely put out on the ice). What incentive is there for the Teachers Pension fund to ever ice a winner? NIL
p.s. Using nil in a hockey score should get you banned from ever commenting on hockey.
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Posted: 11/24/2007 11:21:30 AM | Go leafs Go.
"it coz of fans like these"
yup nothing better then seeing the blue jersey way out in British Columbia....Leafs fans are everywhere....Leaf Nation.
yup sell out after sell out after sell out....the Air Canada centre will NEVER have empty seats. i'll agree with you there. Which brings me to question why are the Detroits Wings having empty seats in their building all of a sudden?
Now im ready for Hockey nite in CANADA....whooo hooo double header Leafs then the Oil.
Go Leafs Go
Go Flames Go
Go Canucks Go
PS...Sly with you last Rant...you better go take your blood pressure meds...i think after you typed that message you BP hit 240/160 | |
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Posted: 11/24/2007 11:24:19 AM | "p.s. Using nil in a hockey score should get you banned from ever commenting on hockey."
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Posted: 11/24/2007 11:27:09 AM |
Kubina (presently hurting), Gill, Mccabe and Kaberle, on paper, are the best starting 4 dmen group possibly in the league.
You're right agent 86. I meant to put the word 'possibly' in there, as in, are possibly...
As for OTEP, that's not the whole problem. i tried explaining all this to pucks back in the summer but ended up just banging my head up against the wall for all it was worth. As long as there's a 20 year waiting list for seasons tickets and as long as leaf fans continue to offer their undying support for a mediocre franchise, there is no incentive to perform. The Raptors know this and went out and got Collangelo. The fans refused to attend raptors games with a losing product and so the raptors retooled and became division champs. It's the paradox of leaf nation. because of their size and their support there's no need to build a champion.
Stop filling the building and the teachers pension will suddenly sit up straight and either unload the investment or make it more profitable.
The problems started again once these stiffs like peddie and tannenbaum started running the show and put their bum buddy Ferguson Jr (yes man) who in turn put his bumbuddy Maurice in the job..
So let's see. Quinn takes us to the eastern finals in 02 and 99 but because of strike the game has now passed him by? What a f'ing bad joke. And a bad bad joke to play on the blind leaf faithful. The guy who said it a week or so ago was right. the Hamilton bulldogs could whip this teams arse any night of the week.
The Oiler fans stay away when they don't play competitively. So do the flames fans and so do the Canucks fans. you don't win then you don't fill the building. this is the anomoly that besets Leaf nation. I managed to pick up a couple of renovation jobs for the winter from a couple of buddies so i won't we be wasting my time praying this year will be any different than the last two. They stink.
Yours truly,
Jim Nill (not)
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Posted: 11/24/2007 11:38:00 AM | "The Oiler fans stay away when dont play competitely".
The Oil are 8-13-1. Their last game against the Nucks the building was full. They are n national tv tonite so we all have another gander to see if the Oil fans stay away as you say when there not competive.
"you dont win then you dont fill the building"
for most American cities i'll agree with that. Not up north for the most part though even in the smaller markets such as Calgary and Edmonton.
Flames are 9-10-3 and they are still drawing the crowds.
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Posted: 11/24/2007 12:02:58 PM | Well Pucky there are several reasons for the Wings attendance downturn. The economy in Michigan, lack of N. American leadership on the team but mostly TIGERS, PISTONS, LIONS, WOLVERINES, SPARTANS,. The fact is the Wings are not number one in that market.
And that is what you just don't get. The Leafs have a captive audience. The largest hockey market in all the world and yet they still can't ice a decent hockey team year after year. It's pathetic and sad. Almost as pathetic and sad as the fans who put up with this Mickey Mouse outfit they call a franchise.
If the NHL wants to expand it should put a hockey franchise in Toronto and make this bunch of losers actually compete. Wait till the NFL moves into town in a couple of years and the Leafs actually have to compete for some corporate dollars.
As a southern Ontarian it's an insult to be forced to watch this pathetic bunch of AHL rejects every Saturday night for the past 40 years. Growing up in Windsor I cursed Harrold Ballard for forcing me to watch his bile and denying me the opportunity to watch those great Habs teams of the 70s. Now we have a good Ottawa franchise that is getting short shrift.
Damn the NHL and damn Hockey Night in Canada for entering into this regional programming of mediocre(accept when Leafs play then it's below avg.) tv coverage. Put the best game on in all markets!
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Posted: 11/24/2007 12:20:09 PM | its pucks not pucky.
and i do get it.
"Mickey Mouse oufit they call a franchise"
I disagree. My point is it is not as bad as you make it out to be. Missing the playoffs last seaons, by 1 point on the last day of the year is not pathetic in my mind. The Habs finished below the Leafs if i recall. A below 500 record this year is cause for concern but its too early to push the panic buttom. I say wait til Xmas. Then make some serious moves, perhaps before trade deadline. Should i raise the bar more...perhaps. I am true fan who is with the team thru good and bad for the Flames, Leafs and Cancuks. As i have said numerous times, Leaf management needs an overhaul.
"wait til the NFL moves into town in a couple years and the Leafs will actually have to compete with some corporate dollars"
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your kidding right? The Leafs have the likes of the Blue Jays, Raptors, and Argos in their market...no problems getting the dollars or fans in. OH and dont forget the new MLS soccer franchise Toronto FC as well, where they lead that league in attendance as well. This will never be a problem for the leafs.
Put the best team in all markets"
You are just proving my point. The rest of Canada wants to watch the Leafs. You may not but the stats say otherwise. The Leafs draw a national audience and this is why we get national coverage on CBC come Hockey nite in Canada on Saturday. Most dont want to watch the Sens or Habs unless they are playing the Leafs. Mediocricy still sells eh. LOL
Sly, im curious why did Quinn get the boot? ( i have a pretty good idea but want to hear your response). | |
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Posted: 11/24/2007 12:34:49 PM | "lack of N. American leadership on team"
I disagree here as well.
really...Their GM , Holland is Canadian. He resides in my town in the offseason. A great leader and one of the better GM's.
What about Yzerman...My understanding is he is still involved in Wings management. Another quality Canadian.
"but mostly TIGERS, PISTONS, LIONS, WOLVERINES, SPARTANS."
The wings used to be number #1 in that market not long ago. I guess that "hockeytown" logo, they plaster on their ice needs to be removed | |
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Posted: 11/24/2007 1:05:50 PM | Ya i have no idea who the hell ordained Detroit as hockeytown. Talk about being full of yourself.
Anyways, attendance.
General Motors Place home to the Vancouver Canucks The arena seats 18,630 for ice hockey. In 01/02 they operated at 92% capacity, 02/03 96%, 03/04 (first in the Northwest) they operated at 99.9%. Since getting Luongo and finishing first in the northwest last year, they've operated at 101.1% capacity.
Calgary Flames failed to make the playoffs in 2001 and 2002. In 01 they ranked 15th in attendance at 96.9% capacity. A year later in 2002 Flames ranked 21st in attendance operating at 91.6% capacity. In 03/04 (the year they went to the Cup final they finished 6th and were 16th in attendance capacity percentage.
After the strike and after their trip to the Finals they have since been selling out their games at 100% capacity.
Edmonton Oilers in 2001 operated at 91.3%, 20th overall. In 2002 they moved up to 97% In 03 they missed the playoffs and ranked 15th in capacity attended percentage. In 05/06 the year they scrambled for an 8th place finish and rode that to the finals they were at 98.4% and last year finished at 98.5% of capacity.
Montreal canadiens in 01 finished 8th and again in 02 missing the playoffs, operated at 94% capacity crowds. in 03/04 they finished 7th and operated at 96.6.5% In january of 06 they brought in Bob gainey and coincidentally enought they also went back to 100% sellouts as well as this year.
Vancouver finished first last year in their division and are selling out the building still. Edmonton missed last year and are currently at 98%. calgarians love affair with Sutter continues as they sell out and actually cram in 112%...a far cry from the 91% they were drawing back 5 years ago. Ice a good hockey club and they will come.
Leafs. In 02 missed the east crown by one point in the regular season 102.6% capacity crowds. 01/02 we lost in the Conference final to carolina. regular season crowds of 102.4% 05/06 missed the playoffs but still jammed in 103.2% capacity. last year they missed the playoffs for the second straight year, but attendance climbed to 103.7% capacity.
In the 5 consecutive years in the 90's that the oilers missed the playoffs from 92 to 97, they almost went bankrupt and were almost sold to a houston conglomerate. A city conglomeration had to stand up and save the franchise by purchasing it as the fans were staying away in droves. Jokester, correct me if I'm wrong on this please.
Ottawa finished 6 in 01/02 and drew 91.2% capacity crowds. The prior year they had 96%. In 02/03 they finished first in the northeast and filled the building to 93% capacity. 03/04 96%. In 05/06 they finished first overall and had 105.3% attendance. Last year, depsite them stumbling a bit the first month and a half of the season they had 104.7% capacity crowds.
All attendance figures are pretty much light years ahead of American cities, but it is after all, Canada's game. All this shows is if the teams not winning, apart from toronto, expect a dropoff in fanbase and hence revenues. Doesn't matter whether the leafs ever win another game, they're attendance is still above, and will probably remain above 100%.
It's kinda like the oil companies. Why give a shit about the price of gas if the folks are still gonna keep consuming it in mass amounts anyway. The Sens, Oilers, Flames, Canucks and Habs fans demand a good product. otherwise they stay home. Maybe not as much as the American fan, but they still drop off in attendance when the products not there. Leaf fans come in droves no matter how sh1tty the product is on the ice. Can anyone say 'blind loyalty?'
Now the reason i don't entirley agree with it being the fault of OTEP is one, I happen to know a couple of the folks that deal with OTEP's pension plan and, believe it or not, since they're all from ontario, they're also leaf fans for the most part. But because it's an investment they've made the sad mistake of putting business men at the top of a hockey franchise rather than hockey businessmen.
We talked a bit yesterday in another thread about the brutal 20 year run the red Wings had. Very similar to the record of ineptness that the leafs had over the same period. What happened once Ken holland and Scotty bowman took over? They started winning.
Let me just ask one question to the fans. Not to the Lou lamorello's but to the fans. What fugging difference does it make to me as a fan how many people show up? Would the average hockey fan want a full building, or a Stanley Cup? Figure it out.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/attendance?year=2007
... im curious why did Quinn get the boot?
Simple. The new brass didn't have any brass balls. They couldn't handle a guy that successfully handled a hockey club basically singlehandedly for 5, 6 years. They had to get rid of him if they were to be listened to in their new positions.Quinn's forgotten more about hockey than these queerbaits peddie and tannenbaum and ferguson will ever know.
here's a few well written words from wikpedia.
"""2003 also witnessed a change in the ownership ranks, as Stavro sold his controlling interest in MLSE to the Ontario Teachers' Pension Plan and resigned his position as Chairman of the Board in favour of Tanenbaum. Stavro died in 2006."""
...""" In his first season as coach the Maple Leafs' record improved dramatically. As a result of Quinn's coaching the Leafs reached the conference finals but lost to the Buffalo Sabres. Pat Quinn was again runner-up for the Jack Adams Award. Under Quinn, the Toronto Maple Leafs had consistently been contenders, but were never able to reach the Stanley Cup finals during his tenure. Quinn's best results were making the Eastern Conference finals in 1999 and 2002.
In the summer of 2003, Quinn relinquished his managerial duties to John Ferguson, Jr. though retaining his position of head coach, while Dryden was shuffled to non-operation role of Vice Chairman and given a seat on MLSE's board of directors."""
Stavro liked Quinn because Stavro wanted a good hockey club and knew Quinn was an exceptional hockey man.
Simple. They had to make room for these gimps Tannenbaum and Peddie. Quinn wasn't about to start listening to these two quiffs. So they brought in little lawyer man ferguson jr. who would say yes sir, no sir, three bags full sir. And the rest is history. It's called change. And it's not always for the better. The team has regressed to shades familiar of the Laffs era of the late 70's early 80's, but, hey, who cares when attendance is on the rise
"""...Quinn was the winningest active coach in the NHL and 4th all time with 616 wins and is recognized by the hockey community as one of the top coaches of the NHL. Quinn's NHL coaching record includes 11 first round playoff wins in 16 seasons. An astounding winning percentage of 69%, surpassed only by coaching legend Scotty Bowman, 71%, and ahead of New York Islanders legend Al Arbour, 66%
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Posted: 11/24/2007 1:53:22 PM |
lack of N. American leadership on team"
I disagree here as well.
really...Their GM , Holland is Canadian. He resides in my town in the offseason. A great leader and one of the better GM's.
What about Yzerman...My understanding is he is still involved in Wings management. Another quality Canadian.
I was talking about On Ice leadership. The fans don't pay to see Ken holland perform. But they do tell him what they think of the job he has done buy not buying tickets. Until a team wins with out Canadian on ice leadership the fans should stay away in Detroit. Thats how you get action. Torontonians take note, Sundin will not lead you anywhere.
"but mostly TIGERS, PISTONS, LIONS, WOLVERINES, SPARTANS."
The wings used to be number #1 in that market not long ago. I guess that "hockeytown" logo, they plaster on their ice needs to be removed
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Posted: 11/24/2007 1:54:00 PM |
your kidding right? The Leafs have the likes of the Blue Jays, Raptors, and Argos in their market...no problems getting the dollars or fans in. OH and dont forget the new MLS soccer franchise Toronto FC as well, where they lead that league in attendance as well. This will never be a problem for the leafs.
When the Bills move to Toronto there will be no Argos.
The problem for the Leafs is THEY ARE PATHETIC.
You just don't get it.
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Posted: 11/24/2007 2:34:58 PM | The rest of Canada wants to watch the Leafs. You may not but the stats say otherwise.
What stats ? let me guess, its your stats! lol
I guarantee you half of those stats are fans like you who are from T.O or simply fool enough to think because of their maple leaf logo which is Canada's national flag, then they must be representing Canada! Yes believe it or not I have talked to a few so called leaf fans and they said thats why they are leaf fans!!!
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Posted: 11/24/2007 2:51:22 PM | msg 4786:
and i do get it.
Obviously you don't get it when you try to make points like:
Its still early... I'd say after Christmas...
Maybe you've never been involved in a performance based industry where your bottom line performance reflects your paycheque. You would rather wait another 16 games, which puts the leafs at almost the halfway point in the season. By then they'll be so far back of the pack it won't even be worth followinging them in the newspapers, let alone wasting time watching them make comedies of errors. there's better comedy on TV these days than the leafs.
Go dust off your old Pink Floyd dark Side of the Moon Album if you have one and keep repeating the lines in the song Breathe:
""No one told you when to run. You missed the starting gun."""
I got news for you. These first twenty three games were not a fecking dress rehearsal. You think that by the time their 15 points back of the pack halfway thru another season that some little light is gonna go off in their heads and their suddenly going to start playing some NHL hockey???
We ll you're partly right because it only seems when it's almost mathematicall impossible to make the playoffs, they start to play some hockey under Maurice and Ferguson. We've seen it two years running now and all evidence now suggests that a third consecutive year of Golf Leafs Golf is in order. if you watched that interview i posted for you, you clearly see the deer in the headlights. This team is not about to change it's ways without some shock treatment.
That's it for me on here for awhile about the leafs. I been cheering for these monkeys all my life. If this is the best that creepshows like Tannenbaum and Peddie and Ferguson and Maurice can generate, then they're just wasting another winter for Leaf fans. These four should be ashamed of themselves for being part of this organization. They've set the organization back 20 years.
MLSE wasn't making money off the raptors so they overhauled the club and in 6 weeks changed the GM and transformed the club into a contender.
MLSE was making money when it took over the leafs. the leafs were a strong contender at the time. They're still making money off the leafs, but they've transformed this hockey club over the last 27 months into a joke.
The problem for the Leafs is THEY ARE PATHETIC. You just don't get it.
Most of us do get it kaos. The problem with some leaf fans that are blind faithful is they think if you constructively point out how wimpy the franchise has once again become, you're not a loyal leaf fan. In reality the converse is the truth, and the blind faithful are actually doing a disservice to the eventual fortunes of the leafs. Completely boycott this, once again, hapless franchise, and you'll see changes made in pretty short friggin' order.
I remember the days going to the Gardens in the playoffs against the Broad Street Bullies and the wars we used to have with davey hutchinson and the LA Kings in the elimination rounds. I was at the Gardens when Red Kelly experimented with pyramind power under the bench, and i was at the game when the anonymous new coach of the leafs (returning Roger Captain Video Nielson) came out with a brown paper bag on his head. I was there the night the Provincial Attorney General laid all the aggravated assault charges on the Flyers in the late 70's. I was also at the game that Tiger Williams got that chintzy boarding call against Big Bird Robinson in overtime. I've done my time. I am so friggin' pissed off about this new management regime and the way they've regressed over the last 27 months i'd like to go down to that ACC myself and speedbag a few of those empty suits running this show.
Actually i wasn't kidding about switching off the cable to the dish. Three of my buddies that played junior that have been lifelong chums and their wives switched to finally becoming Sens fans this year. Cancelled LeafTV. The whole nine yards. They've had enough. I was shocked, but, if i were capable of envy, i would probably be envious that at least they get to watch some good hockey this year.
I'm done.
Go leafs Go.
Wake me up when it's over.
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Posted: 11/24/2007 2:53:43 PM | CBC's stats.^^^^
"When the Bills move to Toronto their will be no Argos."
Like that is going to hurt the Leafs.
or the Raptors, or the Blue Jays or Toronto FC
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Posted: 11/24/2007 2:56:16 PM | Sly,
i think your buddies will convert you to a Sens fans too.
Since you dont like mediocricty as you call its time for you to jump the bandwagon on the a team that hot at the moment.
Keep in mind though the Sens are mediocure at best lately.....3-3-1 over their last 7 games.
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Posted: 11/24/2007 3:03:11 PM | | ^^^you just really haven't got a clue do you | |
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Posted: 11/24/2007 3:06:35 PM | ^^^^haha
dont you get it?
you really havent figured it out yet have you....Kaos either...
Your better than cable.....(well except when the leafs are on)
shits and giggles. Nothing more. there i said it...:Since it has not register for you or Kaosroll: | |
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Posted: 11/24/2007 3:20:32 PM | pucks pretty much everyone in every thread you're in agrees you're little more than a troll, albeit a harmless one, but a troll nonetheless that knows very little about the subjects you comment on. Superficial knowledge is the comment a couple of folks have passed along. Hell one guy tried to get you to understand a point in the flyers thread three times and you still didn't get it. Some men you just cannot reach  Enjoy your sh1ts. Hopefully they're not too runny.
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Anywho, my chums just called me from ottawa. They ehad down there for the home gaems from here. Apparently most of the afternoon on the Ottawa radio talk shows they've been reporting that burns has been invloved in talks all day today and last night with Lamorello and leaf brass about him coaching the leafs. Just a rumour i know, but it's interesting to know it's the sens fans phoning me to share the news. | |
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Joined: 10/14/2006
Msg: 4798 | |
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Posted: 11/24/2007 3:26:23 PM | troll eh....haha i dont see you saying that about Kaos? why not.
thing is im a true leaf fan thru the bad and good. I get slammed all the time from my nuck and flames friends....I just remind them that the nucks have never one the cup...haha and the flames one cup had the likes of Neiwendyk, Roberts and McDonald...all Leafs at one time...then they shut up quick. lol
I wont take part in this crapoli that others have stated such as the Leafs are a pathetic franchise..yadda yadddaaa. But i will debate why the leafs need improvement, the hot and cold players, management etc.
Pre game is on soon...love to here what Cherry has to say.....I;'ll be back though...you can bank on it. | |
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Posted: 11/24/2007 3:38:23 PM | Enough with the Troll crap I don't buy into that stuff on these forums.
As far as I am concerned let it all hang out.
Pucky you're all.right. " Ya got spunk kid".....I hate spunk!
Truely pucks other than being delirious I think it is great that at the very least you like hockey.
Question though ...Have you ever had skates on? | |
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Posted: 11/24/2007 3:53:57 PM | | nope just roller blades...haha jk of course i have just not for awhile though...the only thing i really do now is plop my ass on the couch and watch all hockey or go to live games. We love road hockey out here too. | |
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