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Posted: 12/14/2007 3:54:31 AM | "Best Conference to watch in hockey right now: Eastern... Whole conference seperated by 15 points... 1st place and last place by 7 points... No one wants to lose to let that number go up. "
Best conference in the NHL? Not like there's a lot of choice...it's one or the other. Hardly worth mentioning, but seeing's how you did, have you looked at the West standings lately?
Edmonton is in 12th overall...and only two points out of 6th. Five points out of 3rd.
Six points separate 12th from second in the West...eight points separate 15th from second in the east. Looks pretty tight throughout the league.
As for best division, look at the Northwest...it basically mirrors what you said about the Atlantic: Vancouver, 1st w/37 points, Edmonton fifth w/32. Five points separate first from last.
Now this is just me stepping waaaaay out on a limb here, but I'm gonna take your "no one wants to lose in the East" comment one step further and say that there isn't a single team in the entire NHL that wants to lose....in fact, other than the New York Nationals or Washington Generals (the two teams that usually supply the opposition for the Harlem Globetrotters), I don't think there's a team anywhere in the world of sport that wants to lose. Then again, maybe it's just me | |
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Posted: 12/14/2007 4:22:26 AM | well said jokester.
and the west has 10 teams above the 500 mark as to the easts 8. so maybe tighter hockey out east but really it may just be boild down to a not so great product.
and wow isnt the northwest fun. such a tight divison, you have to wounder if its going to come down to the wire or if something is going to give. oilers look to be getting by, lots of shootout wins. im inpressed with how well they are doing.
what a wild one last night in tampa. flames win 9-6 yeah not a misstype 9-6. iggy and juice with the tricks and dion with 5 points. and i almost forgot to mention the soild game against the panthers i dont remember the last time the flames scored a game tieing goal with the goalie pulled. then a wide open ot followed by kipper slamming the door so juice's bandhander the only goal in the shootout. amazing how the flames played so poorly in novmember only to now be on a 6 game point streak, 3 games winning streak, and only 4 points for top of the northwest. wow
go flames go
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Posted: 12/14/2007 7:38:56 AM | ^^^Yup and now is the time for the Flames and Oiliers to make their move. Prime opportunity to make ground on the Canucks and Wild.
Luongo is hurt and apparently his rib injury is more serious than being told.
Sanford looked poor last nite in his spot, getting pulled in the 2nd period against the Sharks. McIntyre (sp) was also called up and saw action in last nights game. Luongo is going to be missing at least one more game they say. Time should tell how serious this injury is for him. Canucks are denfintely a different team when he is not in net. | |
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Posted: 12/14/2007 5:22:27 PM | Last five seasons the west has been far and away superior in regular season. Last year the Avs missed the playoffs 13 games above 500. leafs missed at 9 games over. 2 years ago, same thing, 3 seasons and 4 seasons ago, same thing, 5 seasons ago, the 8th place finisher in the east was 5 games over while in the west, the Oilers at 10 games over and the Stars at 8 games over missed the cut.
Interesting though that Sid the Kid can help his Pens sweep the west last week just after the Leafs gave them a good spanking before they headed out.
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Ducks solve their cap issues apparently. moving Andy Macdonald to St. louis for Dougie Weight. Ducks get a little bit older again compared to last years club. | |
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Posted: 12/14/2007 7:38:38 PM | "Interesting though that Sid the Kid can help his Pens sweep the west last week just after the Leafs gave them a good spanking before they headed out."
Yeah...and then they return east and get hammered by both Philly (8-2) and Ottawa (6-0)
Really, all the standings say is that there is parity in the league and, to be honest, other than Ottawa and Detroit, an awful lot of mediocre hockey teams out there. But that's cool. No game is a given anymore and to me, that's what the salary cap is all about. | |
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Posted: 12/14/2007 11:21:39 PM | ^^^So i guess we can deduce then that the west is a hair less mediocre than the east.
So while the Leafs haven't played since Monday night, 6 other clubs hit the century mark this week in goals against. Toskala pushes his goals against closer to his career average with his shutout tonight.
Leaf capatin Mats passes legendary Red Wings capatain Fats Delvechio into 30th all time in points. If Sundin stays on thsis pace he could hit 100 points for the first time in fifteen years, putting him about ten back of Lafleur for around 22nd overall. Not bad. Not bad at all for a guy only turning 37 in February. It's around 22nd because there's Recchi and Shanny between him and lafleur as well.
Both him and Shanahan should pass the likes of Gilbert Perrault, Pierre Turgeon, Gartner, Denny Savard, & Andreychuck. Recchi needs 10 points to pass Lafleur.
woot woot to the lady that started this thread...lol
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Posted: 12/15/2007 6:26:38 AM | What a blast being able to watch Calgary rip it up while they are here on the right coast. Sweet road trip for them so far.
I don't think they will ever want to go home!! | |
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Posted: 12/15/2007 12:03:55 PM | "so while the Leafs haven't played since Monday night, 6 other clubs hit the century mark"
yup, i mentioned this earlier that the Leafs had a couple games in hand on most teams which increased their stats. Now that other teams have caught up to the Leafs and even surpassed them in games played for a few, the stats are much different.
Flames and Leafs....100 goals against
Carolina, Tampa ....104 goals against
Altanta ....105 goals against
Edmonton and LA are the two worst with LA at 107, forget the Oilers.
Last nites game for the Leafs was the 7th in a row for them where they have allowed 2 goals or less. Credit team play for keeping shots against down...as a huge factor in this. Then add smokin hot Toskola to the mix, and the Leafs offence clicking (except on the power play) you have the reasons for their success....going 6-1 over their last 7 games.
Looking forward to a Canadian double header on CBC tonite...Leafs vs Habs. Montreal has lost 6 straight at the Bell Centre. With the surging Leafs coming in too town, this should be a good game. All their games recenlty have been close.
Game 2 Nucks vs Oilers....Luongo is expected to be out. Morrison is injured as well.
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Posted: 12/16/2007 1:47:04 PM | Oilers win in a shootout again. Their 10-1 in shootouts i believe this year. WoW.
As for the leafs, they looked like a tired road team, playing back to back games. First game in 7, that they have given up more than 2 goals. The turning point i thought, was not beating Price early on when they had the chance. Leafs powerplay stinks right now.
5 more games on the road...and the holidays are looking tough for TO. | |
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Posted: 12/16/2007 11:00:45 PM | McCabe's gone till early Feb. at the earliest with a broken wrist. That's 30 minutes a night to be replaced on defence. That's 25% of your team's defence on the ice.
Like to see fergy pull out a good deal right now. Something like Tucker, McCabe, White and one of Steen, Ponyboy, or Tlusty for something like Shane Doan, Nick Boynton and Derek Morris of Phoenix...
Maybe look at trying to bag Priesing and Brad Stuart on D out of LA for some kind of deal involving Raycroft and Wosnewski or White maybe. La's used 4 goalies already and could probably use some steadier goaltending. Might have to spice that one up a bit though... Maybe ask for old Sudbury Wolf Derek Armstrong for one of our forwards from the above list. | |
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Posted: 12/17/2007 3:53:11 AM | "La's used 4 goalies already and could probably use some steadier goaltending."
All the more reason for the Kings NOT to trade for Raycroft. He's only steady when he's sitting st the end of the bench.
As for replacing McCabe... Schneider is available, although the Leafs would have to free up about 2M in cap space | |
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Posted: 12/17/2007 10:49:12 AM | Schneyes...we had him 10 years ago and gave him up for a couple years of very unworthy service from Karpotsev Another bad deal for the leafs. When it comes to trading away good defencemen Leafs history is less than stellar. I don't know what it would take to pry him away from Burke, but i don't think Burke's done dealing yet. He still has to make room to get Perry signed before the offseason and rumours are still floating around about Teemu maybe taking one more crack at coming back. Rumour on the Macdonald for Weight deal was that Bertuzzi and Macdonald weren't jelling the way Ducks had hoped. Now Bert has himself an experienced setup guy.
Apparently LA, Pittsburgh and Tampa have been making overtures to the Leafs about Raycroft. Fleury's hurt in Pittsburgh for upwards of 6 weeks and LaBarbara or however you spell the guys name is hurt for the Kings too, so LA's running with JS Aubin as the starter and a rookie backup. As for Tampa, well all goalies seem to perplex Torturella. He's worse than Keenan ever knew how to be, for being tuff on goalies. Tampa should never have let the Bhulin wall go when they signed all their high priced forwards. They've never really been the same team since. Apparently the marlies brass figures Clemmenson could be an adequate backup to Toskala and we'd let Pogge stay and get loads of experience with the Marlies for the balance of the year.
If Fergy doesn't or can't pull the trigger on something in the next 48 hours, we won't see a deal done before Collaiocovo suits back up at the end of the month. Trading blackout over Christmas from the 19th thru to the 27th. Either way, I shudder to think of how this team will do if we start overworking guys like Wosnewski and White in particular. They make enough rookie type mistakes already. I wouldn't want mental errors from fatigue to also become a factor in their play in the late stages of a game. Then we'd be right back to the third period meltdown problems we were having earlier on in the season. Who knows for sure though. Edmonton trudged on and hung in there without all those Dmen. Maybe White and Wosnewski will get a copy of "Dummies Guide to Playing Defence" for Christmas.
Just kidding. They've actually improved since the first ten or twelve games. Wosnewski's actually a plus 6, but overall, we need help on the backline. | |
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Posted: 12/17/2007 8:47:09 PM |
Bettman is gung ho on setting up teams in the stupidest places possible, but has quashed teams moving to hockey hotbeds like Hamilton
Hamilton a hockey hotbed? Huh. They can't draw flies to a championship Ahl team.
Well I was away for a week but it's good to see all is the same in the NHL. Leafs still suck. like I said there modest winning streak was built on other non-playoff teams . The Wings keep beating everyone. | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 11:26:06 AM | ^^^^^Gotta love Kaos. A Canadian cheering for an American team...No worries Canada this is the exception not the rule.  i admire your thrift at least. lol
"like i said there modest winning streak was built on other non playoff teams"
BS and more BS. Pittsburg, Nashville and the NY Rangers were all wins for the leafs during their winning streak. They all made the playoffs last year and more than like ly will this year. The Pens and Rangers are above 500 to date, and the Preds have an even 500 record.
Leafs also beat Tampa Bay during their streak...Cup winners not to long ago. There playing inconsistently this year but they are always a threat and may make a surge for the playoffs. I wouldnt rule them out just yet.
I guess the Wings and Sens are the only above average team in your books. 
Fair enough But when you take out these two top point leaders. The rest of the pack is tight and competitive.
Detroit 51points
Ottawa 45 points
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Its competitive and we wont know who will make the playoffs for the bottom seeds til the last day of the year.
Remember, their Kaos...the playoffs are a different season.
Also, note the Wings regular season success over the years and quick exits in the playoffs in recent years.
Point is ....anything can happen in the REAL season....cant wait til Spring. | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 5:50:24 PM |
Gotta love Kaos. A Canadian cheering for an American team...No worries Canada this is the exception not the rule. i admire your thrift at least. lol
Last time I checked it was the National hockey League not the Canadian Hockey League. I cheer for the home team(grew up in Windsor). How many times do I need to explain that to you before it settles in.
The Rangers were the only team in a playoff position as I acknowledged earlier that the Laughs beat in that modest streak.. Although it looks as if they will beat the Hurracanes tonite. See what taking the worst defenseman in history out of the lineup will do.
Leafs also beat Tampa Bay during their streak...Cup winners not to long ago. You continuously prove my point.
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As for the Wings...it has been a mixed bag 3 cups as of late and some early exits although Confrence final last year wasn't so early.
Better to have made the playoffs and exit early then to not have.
Well you know what they say in Leaf Stagnation; Just Wait Till Next Year...er Decade...er Century. | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 6:53:38 PM | Hats off to the Calgary Flames completing their road sweep tonight in Columbus.
6 straight road wins on a pretty long and fairly tough trip. 31 points from their big line on the road. Top marks.
Most teams drop that first one back home though after a long trip like that...just a heads up if anyone's betting anything in the next few days, FWIW | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 6:58:03 PM | Carolina 3 Toronto 2
Hello Pucks...Pucks....Pucks...er guys, somecall 911 for Pucks. | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 7:13:44 PM | ^^^haha
well Wings fan, at least the Leafs still have more cup wins that Detroit...No?
out of the original 6 teams the most Stanley Cup wins goes like this i believe;
1st...Montreal Canadiens
2nd Toronto Maple Leafs
3rd Detroit Red wings
Yayayayayayaya ya, we know the leafs havent won one in 40 yrs but they still have more cups to their credit than do your Wings...Leafs were better in the old days and the Wings are better now....Cup total goes the TO however.
I like the Vancouver Canucks. They have not even won a cup in their 37 years
Also like the Flames and been to my fair shares of games in the old saddledome and i think they have only 1 cup win in their history too. | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 7:27:33 PM | Talk about turn around, WOW! maybe the Flames heard my frustration a few page ago....lol
What a great night in Hockey, leafs lost  and Sens have found their usual winning touch.
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Posted: 12/18/2007 7:59:37 PM |
well Wings fan, at least the Leafs still have more cup wins that Detroit...No?
out of the original 6 teams the most Stanley Cup wins goes like this i believe;
1st...Montreal Canadiens
2nd Toronto Maple Leafs
3rd Detroit Red wings
Yayayayayayaya ya, we know the leafs havent won one in 40 yrs but they still have more cups to their credit than do your Wings...Leafs were better in the old days and the Wings are better now....Cup total goes the TO however.
I like the Vancouver Canucks. They have not even won a cup in their 37 years
Also like the Flames and been to my fair shares of games in the old saddledome and i think they have only 1 cup win in their history too.
Wow You got me there Pucky.
How could the Wings and I possibly compete against such a great winning traditon and whit? | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 8:01:24 PM | "the Wings keep beating everyone"
Yup til they get to the playoffs that is.
I believe they have 6 straight Division champs since 2000 and A cup in 01/02. They are a good team i dont deny that. I dont think anyone would say differently from the obvious but they have had their fair share of poor play in the playoffs.
2000-01....Ist round beaten by the LA Kings
2002-03 ....Swept in first round by the Ducks
2003-04 ...2nd round loss
2005-06....1st round loss to the Oilers
2006-06....3rd round loss to the Ducks
How many people speak of Division titles...Not many . Or even President Cups...Heck not many again. Wings have won their fair share of divisions and Presidents cups but all that gets you is home ice advantage. As you can see by their playoff record the past six years, with exception of their cup in 02, they have bowed out early in the playoffs for the most part. Regular season success does not guarantee anything come playoff time. Wings can attest to that the best. LOL.
Just ask 8th seed Oilers in 2005/06 when the beat the Wings and missed the Cup by one game. | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 8:12:59 PM | yup ya got me Pucks.
Why on earth would anyone want to be a Wings fan when the Maple Leafs are clearly far superior. | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 8:42:50 PM | "wow you got me there Pucky"
lol
its obvious i did.
You cant deny the Leafs Cup wins. They have more Lord Stanleys than the Wings do.
"why on earth would anyone want to be a Wings fan when the Maple Leafs are clearly far superior"
I never said the Maple Leafs were far superior. I did say they have won more cups though. Your a master twister.
The wings are defintely the better team in todays world and in recent past. Historically, however, no way, as evident when the leafs won most of their cups. | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 8:59:35 PM | | It never has been a Wings vs Leafs argument my friend. Just the fact that the leafs on ice product is a mess and has been for many years | |
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Posted: 12/18/2007 9:35:18 PM | I guess i kinda turned it into a Leafs vs Wings debate.
But you certainly do your part to contribute to it with the constant Leafs suck talk. I do not think you go two posts in a row without saying Leafs stagnation.
Yes the leafs on product is mediocore. I wouldnt say a mess as you describe it. We could go on and on about this. You have your views and i have mine. Keep with your Leafs suck and Leafs Stagnation and i look forward to rebutting. Its easy to do, when the Leafs have more cups the than the Wings.
There is other issues to discuss in hockey you know Kaos, besides your hardon for the leafs. How bout my other fav team the Canucks and Flames. Calgary is turning it on and Vancouver, as i type this is pounding on the Devils. Looks like Luongo ko's Brodeur is this match.
Brodeur has been great in his career but i wonder if this year is the start to his slowdown?...im thinking so...Some games this year he looks old, almost like your buddy Hasek. | |
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