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Posted: 1/19/2008 12:50:44 PM | kipper is looking great now. looks like a changed goalie. thats 2 great games in a row from him now. all started with cujo coming in.
im interested in seeing who is going to get traded. sounds like tangs is willing to wave his no trade clause. sutter has been in a few nhl cites. how sweet would the flames look if we could pick up a guy like Sundin, i think he would fit the team just right. although i hear Jokinen name being put out there again.
getting rid of tangs 5.5 mill will go along way into being able to sign phaneuf and maybe have enough room to keep lanks or juice. maybe even both of them. hate to see any of those 3 go,
Interesting thoughts, smack. I was on calgarypuck and some of them are convinced that the Flames D may be too slow to handle the young energy players of other teams. I'm not sure if I agree with them. I think they were just not playing the basics for a few games and it cost them dearly. Like Ferraro pointed out, they had many turnovers only 15 feet from the blueline and it wound up being in their net. Also, Kipper wasn't playing like Kipper can for a while and goals that he normally wouldn't let in were getting by him. The Cujo acquisition is a good thing for two reasons: you can give Kipper the rest he requires and it also serves to motivate him on a competitive level.
As for Sundin, the Nucks are also heavily considering going after him. It was a big story in the Province. It would be interesting to see which team will take a gamble on getting him and what it would cost them. Parting with Tangs wouldn't be a bad thing and I agree that you need to keep Phaneuf at any cost. I can't see Calgary losing a cornerstone of their future and such a key part of their defence. | |
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Posted: 1/19/2008 1:05:09 PM | Sundin's not going anywhere. He's said it so many times it's hardly worth repeating. Besides, we'll need him in our playoff drive which started two games ago
The march is on. we need to close out something close to 24-11. Not insurmountable. But if anyone's going anywhere, it'll be Tucker, Raycroft and Kaberle.
Rumour had vancouver offering Corey Schneider, Luc Bourdon and a first round pick for Sundin. Hardly enough, but, Sundin's not waving his no-trade clause anyways.. | |
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Posted: 1/19/2008 1:16:06 PM | Ill admit that sometimes I only read the last couple of posts (sometimes not even that thoroughly unfortunately) and then reply, I think anyone who works 12+ hours a day does that and tries to keep up with a thread that is over 200 pages long. It took me four days because I still, up until you said something about possibly misunderstanding (I think it was earlier this morning?), thought you were simply disagreeing with me just to disagree...a lot of men will do that to women on these sports forums to get them frustrated and leave...and THAT I simply wont take. Then I tried to diffuse it with humor but apparently you two are above laughing at yourselves. Ive asked repeated to just drop it but nope, that didnt work either. I simply didnt realize you had misunderstood or i would have explained that earlier and that would have been the end of it.
Anyway, can we get this back to hockey now or are you two still not done? lol
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Posted: 1/19/2008 1:24:40 PM | The cost of keeping Phaneuf is going up every week, not only with his play, but with the incrediuble contracts being signed by others.
The Flames would do well to get rid of Alex Tanguay, but I don't see the likes of Florida taking him for, say, Olli Jokanen. The thing about Tanguay is he is not an offensive catalyst. He needs a star on his line in order to produce. He's proving as much this season. If Florida trades their star for him, where does that leave him? Posting two points every three games makes 5.5M a pretty hefty price to pay.
I still think if Jokanen is coming to Calgary, Reghere is going the other way. | |
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Posted: 1/19/2008 1:49:22 PM | Anyway, can we get this back to hockey now or are you two still not done? lol
Yup, we're done, but are you? Have you fulfilled your need to get the last word in? Anyway, back to hockey and leave the nonsense behind.
The cost of keeping Phaneuf is going up every week, not only with his play, but with the incrediuble contracts being signed by others.
There must be incredible pressure on teams to sign players NOW because of this upward trend. Reminds me of the real estate market over the last few years where people felt they had to buy, buy, buy, or they would be priced out of the market. | |
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Posted: 1/19/2008 2:50:25 PM | Dman Darryl Sydor (2 time Stanley Cup winner) for Pittsburgh has been sitting out while the Pens go with their youth movement. Watch for him to be moved for some offense after last nights high ankle sprain to Sid the Kid. Painful injury that should keep him off his skates for awhile.
Dman Brian Campbell of the Sabres is an UFA at the end of the season...watch for him to get moved soon as well.
Sutter's in Montreal again tonight to watch the habs.
Intersting article this morning by Sens owner Melnyk on these marathon contracts. He's not buying any of it. Frankly, I don't understand it myself either.
http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Columnists/Garrioch/2008/01/19/4782255-sun.html | |
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Posted: 1/19/2008 3:07:02 PM | | ^ Yup, there is a lot of truth to what he says in that article, but he is also arguing from position of strength. When you are fielding such a strong team, you are capable of getting "Stanley Cup discounts". | |
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Posted: 1/19/2008 3:26:47 PM | no no regear is safe, no way he is even being asked about.
safe players that will not be traded.
iggy ( of course), reggie, kipper
yeah sutter has wacthed the habs a few times in the last weeks, plus the habs gm was at 2 of the last 3 games. i hear maybe Higgins or ryder for tangs.
sutter also being in boston, want most flames fans would want. ference+draft pick for tangs. or somthing along those lines. its more of a salary dump for next season, and with a questionable 5,6 defenmen ference is a known fit for the flames. as all teams that are going to try and go deep like to pick up some deepth defencemen.
i like tangs he has become a good 2 way player just to much money in a cap world. plus langkow and juice seem to be a better fit here. that 5.5 can go a long way into locking up tangs and juice. conroy comes off the books next season, theres a good chunk of change to.
flames d speed is about the same as all other teams, maybe a tad slower then the fast. but were on the big size, so you kinda have to go with the big or the quick. both work just need to think faster the slower you skate. no more of this giveaway trash.
go flames go
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Posted: 1/19/2008 4:48:21 PM | Trade rumors...
Tanguay will be hard to deal 5,5 mil and a no trade clause... good luck.
Mats Sundin's refusal to allow a trade is a perfect example of why he is not a leader. First he is standing in the way of the Leafs ability to turn the franchise around and secondly he clearly does not want to win! The Leafs need to blow this team up as Fergie Jr wanted to do 2 years ago as reported on the The Fan in Toronto early this week. Keep in mind also the Leafs have faced back up goalies in 70% of their games this year.
Watch out for this one Rob Blake to the Wings.
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Posted: 1/19/2008 5:26:31 PM | "no no regear is safe, no way he is even being asked about. "
Anyone who thinks anyone is ever beyond trading in the NHL, Google the date August 9, 1988.
But you can be assured Reghere is being asked about...who WOULDN'T want him. Every GM in the league knows Calgary's situation when it comes to defence: They are already paying 15M of their team salary to defencemen and Reghere's salary doubles next year.
Add to that the fact that 8 of their 14 forwards are FAs July 1 (including 7 UFAs) and Sutter has a whole lot of work ahead of him. Good thing Iggy is signed. The way things are going, if the FLames want to keep Phaneuf (which I have no doubt they will), Iggy will be playing with a bunch of Quad City grads. | |
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Posted: 1/19/2008 6:47:04 PM | """...Keep in mind also the Leafs have faced back up goalies in 70% of their games this year..."""
Must be the 'new' math I hear so much about
70% of 48 games would be seeing the backup as starter in almost 34 games. (33.6 to be precise using the old math). The fact of the matter is the Leafs faced the backup 15 times, and of those 15 a couple of those are arbritrary. We played Alex Auld twice including his re-debut in the NHL, but when we saw him the other night in Boston, he'd started almost every game since we saw him the first time. Same with this kid Ramo in Tampa. And we've faced three different goalers in Pittsburgh, so i guess they're all backups, cuz that's the way i marked them; Fleury, Conklin and Sabourin. Same deal with facing Carey Price twice with the habs when he was actually very close to being the Habs starter at the time.
Anyways. Mats LEADS the team onward to our 3rd straight victory...against a starting goaler no less.
4-2 Leafs. Mats is now about 38 points shy of 1000 as a leaf. He can stay as long as he wants. We'd rather have his leadership at centre ice when the puck drops opening night of the playoffs.
We'll need him.
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Posted: 1/19/2008 8:20:54 PM | regear is soild, a better defencive defenmen then phaneuf. when the games on the line regge is the guy that gets the call more then not. have to remeber that warnner is most likly gone.
i think the flames only choice is to hope our ahlers can step in next year. but we have 3-5 guys that should be ready to step in and play a bottom 6 role. 1 year ago i didnt think sutter would find a way to sign iggy, reggie and kipper he did just that. so here i will sit and wait........i want at least 2 of 3 lanks, juice and phaneuf. phaneuf being high but really i think at this point i would take juice and lanks over just phaneuf. wacthing him all games he makes some bad plays but he is just a kid. long term phaneuf is better short would be jucie and lanks.
and our ufa's is going to be a blessing we need alot of our aging players to be gone and sooner then later. yelle, premo, nilson, all could be replaced by the farm with out much trouble other then leadership and thats why we have iron mike for the extra leadership playfair didnt have last year.
ok and yeah i know all gms are asking about reggie, but im sure sutter is responding with a laugh and ok but really who do you want.
go flames go
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Posted: 1/19/2008 8:53:10 PM | | you can all but scratch Carsen Germyn off that farm list. I'm pretty sure he'll bolt to Europe this summer | |
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Posted: 1/19/2008 9:26:39 PM | seems to be the thing doesnt it? gio and taratukin would both be in the nhl if not for being such money hungry people. do your time and you will make the pro roster if your good enough. i guess it shows the people that what the instaint cash instead of the glorly and greatness that one cup could bring. show what kind of person they are. and if they wnat too go play elsewear i say get out and stay out. if lord stanley's trophy isnt the sole reason why you play then you really should have no busness in the nhl.
go flames go
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Posted: 1/19/2008 9:34:17 PM | Well, in Carsen's case, I'm sure he's starting to feel the time crunch. He'll be 26 next month and has played all of 4 NHL games. If he can make 10x the moneyby going to sweden or switzerland, I'm thinking I'd know which way I'd be leaning.
And really, when you look at his production this year in Quad, it's like his heart isn't in it anyway. No wonder he's not getting the call-up. Every stat, including PIMs, are about 1/2 of what they were last year.
Too bad. I thought there'd be a spot with him, if not in Calgary, certainly somewhere in the NHL. | |
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Posted: 1/19/2008 9:48:59 PM | thats what i mean though. i will take a lesser player that plays with heart then a contract whore. means alot more when it comes down to the time the games mean something. if he wants to go then bye, hope phaneuf doesnt see you in open ice sometime. really as a kid these gusy grew up wanting one thing no not money it was to stand and skate after the last gaol a winner. with the greatist trophy in all of sports above there heads. if they have lost that then they are lost as a hockey player.
go flames go
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Posted: 1/19/2008 10:17:32 PM | If Germyn was ALL about the money, he'd have left for Europe two contracts ago lol
But I think it's safe to say if he DOES leave for Europe, he won't have to worry about meeting up with Phaneuf.
But Smack, in regards to your contract whore comment...if you truly believe players play now for the Cup above the money, you're kidding yourself. If that were the case, half the teams in the NHL would never be able to sign free agents.
Don't get too caught up into speeches like the one Iggy gave when he re-signed with the Flames. Attitudes like that are few and far between...and we heard a speech eerily similar to that in Edmonton with Ryan Smyth a few years ago. Then what happened?
Hockey, as is the case with most professional sports, is, above all else, a business now. People no longer play for the love of the sport. That's simply a harsh reality. | |
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Posted: 1/19/2008 10:28:28 PM | still you have to admit iggy could have made more if he wanted to. no questions about that. i do know the dollor is going to inpact the way a player decieds to go. but it shouldnt be the sole reason. going to russia is just that, playing in europe is just that, enless thats your only place you can go example noodles.
there is tons of guys in the nhl that could have made more else where, thorton, kipper, iggy, reggie, and really im kinda under the influence so cant think of more then the ones that grab my imeditate attenion., but there is more gusy willing to make a home town disount for that chance at the cup. even look at the wings.
i know more then not what the paycheck and thats why most players will play for a ton of teams.
it may be a business now, but i will be damned if as a fan i look at it that way. i dont really care how much ken king makes. i want one thing and thats to be a part of that team that lifts the trophy at the end of the year. as a business the way they want it, im more of a part then ever. you want me to keep buying give me a product that is worth buying. and thats why alot of markets are going to fail. they might have been better keeping it a sport in alot of these markets.
go flames go
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Posted: 1/19/2008 10:48:13 PM | Definitely for fans it's all about the Cup. For players, not so much.
For every Iginla, there are three Dustin Penners, just as an example. Penner knew when he chose to sign the Oilers contract, that he was not only leaving the defending Stanley Cup champions, but leaving a team more likely to have a chance to get there again. But how do you pass up the chance to make at least twice as much money? Can you blame him for signing with Edmonton? I can't. He knew that Burke was going to offer him MAYBE $2M per year. Same with Phaneuf. I think it's a pretty safe bet he's been offered $2.5-3M per season already to re-sign with Calgary. If the Cup was the main thing, and he felt the Flames had a reasonably good chance to compete for it (which they do) he'd have signed already. But he knows that, in light of Lowe's willingness to hand out offer sheets, there are GMs out there that are willing to flash big coin in the faces of restricted free agents. He's holding out until the Flames offer him the kind of money he believes someone else will offer him come July 1.
Certainly there's a balance for a lot of players – money versus the chance to win – but by and large, when you're talking millions, money wins out. It's human nature. | |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 7:36:37 AM | I was listening to the Fan in Toronto during the firing of Fergie (a very sad day if the comedy of the Leafs ends), the unanimous opinion of most of Leaf Stagnation was that this was a good move but not enough. All the callers recognized that Sundin needs to be traded and the whole thing blown up. First start with Richard Peddie.
Actually it was 74% backup goalies that the Leafs have faced but hey argue witht the Fan not me. | |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 8:49:47 AM | October: 13 games played. Wade Dubewicz - Islanders; Thibault - Sabres, Anderson - Florida; Lalime- Chicargo;
November. 13 games played. Price twice with Habs, Rask with Bruins
December-13 games played-Sabourin Pitt; Lehtonen - Atlanta; Price- Habs; Graham-Carolina; Ramo-Tampa; Dubewicz-Islanders; Valiquette-Rangers; Alex Auld-Bruins
January-(10 games so far)-Ramo-Tampa; Conklin-Pitt; Nittimaki-Flyers;
18 backups divided by 49 games is 36.7%
No arguement necessary. The Fan is wrong. Imagine that. A Toronto media outlet embellishing dismal Leaf performances. | |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 11:46:20 AM | | as far as calgary goes,there team is set.sutter might add a depth forward /defenceman,but that is about it.carsen is not a good enough player to play in the n.h.l.he doesnt have enough offence to play top line and not enough grit to play other roles.phaneuf will win norris trophies,he is a brilliant defenceman for his age.look for lombardi to move if anyone. | |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 11:49:11 AM | | oh ya .the team that might make a splash this year is the sabres.dont be surprized if they make a decnt pitch for sundin. | |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 11:53:14 AM | 18 backups divided by 49 games is 36.7%
Here are the actual stats.
Game Time Starting Goalies Versus Leafs
October 13 gp 3rd & 4th Ottawa Gerber, 11th NYI Dubielwicz, 13th Pitt. Sabourin
15th Buff Thibeau, 18th Florida Anderson, 20th Chicago Lalime, 23rd Atlanta Hedberg
November 10th NYR Valliguette, 13th Montreal Price, 17th Ottawa Gerber, 2oth, Boston Rask, 27th Montreal Price, 29th Atlanta Hedberg
December - 1st Pitt Sabourin, 8th Boston Auld, 15th Montreal Price, 18th Corolina Graheme, 20th TB Ramo, 26th NYI Dubliewicz, 29th NYR Valliquette
January - 1st TB Ramo, 5th Philly Nittamaki, 15th Carolina Leighton, 17th Boston Auld
Thats 25 out of 48 or 52% Still high. So against mostly backup tenders they still can't qualify for the playoffs. | |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 12:11:10 PM | I didn't count Gerber as a backup since he's been the starter for the most part and was originally hired to be the starter. I missed Leighton and forget Auld last week, but it's still not in the 70% range. But yes, kaos, I was the one that brought this matter to some of our esteemed Leaf posters here on the futility of the leafs this year against backups while they kept arguing that it's too early to be concerned and all we need to do is shake our blue and white pom poms a little harder and all will be well and good in Laffland.
Well it's not too early anymore is it?
Whether the stat has been embellished or not, it's still an embarrassing stat. One of a plethora of embarrassing stats about this squad. Let's see how much each goal Darcy Tucker scores costs the leafs over his 4 year notrade extension. Now there's probably the biggest embarrassment of all...or even calculate what we're now paying him per shift while he logs 10 shifts per game. Something close to what A-Rod used to get paid to take a strike.
Whatever the number is, their performance has been one of the worst displays of hockey seen in years. I don't mind a Jersey team taking us 3-2 with Brodeur stealing the game for them, or even Carey Price stealing a few points off us earlier in the year, or even the Ducks handing us our a$$es on a platter two weeks ago.
It's the 20 points we've squandered on giving up 2 and 3 goal third period leads thru 'UNFORCED' errors on our part. That part has been a team effort. Whether it was Wosnewski one night and Gill the next, or Mccabe one night and White or Kubina the next, it's been a collective effort. A good team never beats itself. And unfortunately this Leaf squad has done this almost once a week, some times a couple of times a week, and that's why they are now where they are.
As for the Dion Phaneuf comment by passion, i agree. I love watching this guy play hockey. He's just got that natural mean streak to him that makes GM's drool when they see him crushing bodies out there. I saw him do an interview a few weeks back and i thought he was going to smack the interviewer. lol Definitely we will see him cop some Norris trophy hardware along the way. | |
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