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Posted: 1/23/2008 12:36:54 PM | | as i posted before,the leafs need to rebuild.there has been little to no direction in that organization for years.when you think of the leafs what defines them?ask the same question of jersey,detroit,edmonton, calgary,carolina,.these are all teams that formed an identity within there club and made a point of sticking to that philosophy.when you think of the leafs you think of a nondescript team of players.the idiology is not there. | |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 4:13:32 PM | TSN just showed the video of the Fletcher/Peddie press confrence . In it, while Fletcher is speaking Peddie is mouthing his exact words as Fletcher struggles a little.
It is really spooky. Is Cliff Fletcher alive at this point?
Who would have thought that even with Fergie Jr. gone this team would be even more of a disaster.
This will be fun! | |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 5:42:46 PM | I saw it also and my first thought was that Peddie wrote Fletchers press conference speech!
Talk about 'The Board' having control of their GM's!! | |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 6:11:35 PM | | Toronto Maple Laughs...the best comedy on TV. | |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 9:24:34 PM | | ^ Yup, a tragic comedy that makes us feel all warm and fuzzy inside. | |
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Posted: 1/26/2008 8:20:07 AM | Odds of dating a millionaire - 215 to 1
Odds of being born a twin - 90 to 1
Odds of either teams punter being named SuperBowl MVP - 35 to 1
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Odds of Leafs making the playoffs - 35 to 1
Worse than the 25 to 1 odds of getting hemmorhoids.
Hmmm. Some U of Alberta University prof designed some type of computer program. 3% chance of Leafs making the playoffs now. But, he's got the Oiler's at a 1% chance. I'd say he's probably close on the Leafs prediction, but the Oilers don't quite seem dead and buried just yet. I'd love to eat a big slice of humble pie on the leafs, but i have my doubts.
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Mac-T:"I never go there because it's amazing how quickly things turn around if you win eight out of 10, It's not that daunting if you can put together the streak. If we can stay healthy and continue to get the kids to develop the way they've been developing, we're going to do it, I'm pretty confident of that. We're capable of doing that."
Wade Belak:"Aw, everyone had us written off in the pre-season and we've stayed around," forward Wade Belak said. "I think 17 of our last 31 are at home, so yeah, I like our chances. I still say it will all come down to that last week."
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Lots of trade rumours out there. Stretch run starts Tuesday. Hockey News anticipates Selanne signing on with Ducks as early as next week. That could be the finishing touches Burke needs to defend his Cup. | |
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Posted: 1/26/2008 8:28:05 AM | | Interesting. I just posted a comment yesterday in the Oilers thread that according to my calculations they have to go at least 7-2-1 out of every ten games in order clinch 8th spot and make the playoffs. This is a daunting task for any team at this time of year. | |
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Posted: 1/26/2008 8:52:14 AM | """...a daunting task..."""
Daunting indeed.
Leafs will need something like 22-9 record coming home. 3 out of 4 every week now and no guarantee at the end you'll get there.. At least your club's shown steady improvement thru it all. You know, there's nothing to say a club can't close it out like this, but is there any evidence to show they can do it? Colorado Rockies did better than that in the stretch run in baseball this year and ended up going all the way to the World Series. So you never know...
Just gotta get hot at the right time and keep it going. It becomes a mtter of shift by shift if they can get it that focussed, because it really is sudden death now for a couple of clubs. Lots of highs and lows now.
Leafs were in a spot like this in 91 and suddenly they started playing well around this time under Tom Watt. A chum of mine bet me they wouldn't make it. Leafs played well in the stretch run and really gained some serious ground. Only problem was the Stars, I think they were the North Stars their last year in Minny, got red hot as well and snuck past the leafs. They ended up losing the Cup Final that year to the Pens.
I'd love to be wrong about the leafs. But all the other teams are gelling at this time as well and that's where a lot of the challenge lies. The spread really opened a bit this month. Now most of the top seeds are near 10 games over, starting to roll a bit, and when you're 3 games under, she's a tough hole to get out of now. Too bad. They shouldn't have left all those points on the table back in the first half.
It's even tougher to keep pace in the West. And just when you think a team is almost toast, then suddenly they defy logic and go on a bit of a roll. Different kind of season. | |
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Posted: 1/26/2008 10:41:36 AM | | Agreed. The Oilers also have to win roughly the same number of games as the Leafs in order to make the playoffs. I believe we'd have to go 22-7-1 or any other combination that gets us 44-45 points out the remaining 30 games. It is doable but very unlikely. Mind you, if they win every game against the teams above them in the division, then they might be able to bring the required points down a few notches. The last team that I remember almost pulling off was last year's Avs. They almost made it and then blew it all with one loss towards the end of the season. This year, the Coyotes remind me of last year's Avs in that they are making a legitimate run for the last spot. As for the Leafs, they are in the same situation and I think they should forget about this year and start building for the future, like the Oilers did last year. They really need to get rid of some of the passengers and some of the bad deals that they signed... other teams should be in the hunt very soon! | |
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Posted: 1/26/2008 12:40:53 PM | It's not so much how far they are out of a playoff position (Toronto is 6 points out, Edmonton is 5), as it is how many teams they have to leap-frog to get there.
Toronto has 5 teams between them and the Islanders (eighht place), while Edmonton has 4 between them and the Avs. And in Edmonton's case, St. Louis is the only team out of that group not to have better than a .500 record over their last 10 games. The Blues, losers of 7 straight, appear to be the only team in the West showing any signs of slowing down whatsoever.
The Avs especially surprise me. Without the likes of Sakic, Smyth and Stastny, they are still holding on to a playoff spot. Sure makes our (our being Oiler fans) injury excuse kinda lame. | |
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Posted: 1/26/2008 2:04:15 PM | I have heard of this book The Top 60 Since 1967 put out by the Hockey News. So far I have only found the Red Wings on the list.
Anyone know more?
6) Steve Yzerman
9) Nicklas Lidstrom
17) Dominik Hasek
32) Chris Chelios . | |
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Posted: 1/26/2008 2:16:26 PM | Here you go, Kaos. The voting comitee : Brian Burke, Jim Rutherford, Jacques Demers, Harry Neale, Kévin-Paul Dupont (Boston Globe), Al Strachan, Mike Brophy, Ken Campbell, Adam Proteau and Jason Kay of the Hockey News.
60: Sergei Fedorov, Détroit, Anaheim et Columbus
59: Borje Salming, Toronto et Détroit
58: Darryl Sittler, Toronto, Philadelphie et Détroit
57: Sidney Crosby. Pittsburgh
56: Denis Savard, Montréal, Chicago et Tampa Bay
55: Glenn Anderson, Edmonton, Toronto, Rangers et St-Louis
54: Yvan Cournoyer, Montréal
53: Ed Belfour, Chicago, San Jose, Dallas, Toronto et Floride
52: Stan Mikita, Chicago
51: Luc Robitaille, Los Angeles, Pittsburgh, Détroit et Rangers
50: Rob Blake, Los Angeles et Colorado
49: Brendan Shanahan, Détroit, New Jersey, St-Louis,Hartford et Rangers
48: Pat Lafontaine, Buffalo, Rangers et Islanders
47: Dale Hawerchuk: Winnipeg, Buffalo, Saint-Louis et Philadelphie
46: Chris Pronger, Hartford, St-Louis, Edmonton et Anaheim
45: Tony Esposito, Montréal et Chicago
44 : Pavel Bure, Vancouver, Floride et Rangers
43 : Frank Mahovlich, Toronto, Détroit et Montréal
42: Cam Neely, Vancouver et Boston
41: Bob Gainey, Montréal
40: Joe Nieuwendyk, Calgary, Dallas, New Jersey, Toronto et Floride
39: Brian Leetch, Rangers, Toronto et Boston
38: Scott Niedermayer, New Jersey et Anaheim
37: Grant Fuhr, Edmonton, Toronto, Buffalo, Los Angeles, St-Louis et Calgary
36: Brad Park, Rangers, Boston et Détroit
35 : Billy Smith, Los Angeles et Islanders
34: Serge Savard, Montréal et Winnipeg
33: Bobby Hull, Chicago, Winnipeg et Hartford
32: Chris Chelios, Montréal, Chicago et Détroit
31 : Al MacInnis, Calgary et St-Louis
30 : Peter Stastny, Québec, New Jersey et St-Louis
29 : Ken Dryden, Montréal
28 : Bernie Parent, Boston, Philadelphie et Toronto
27 : Gilbert Perreault, Buffalo
26 : Scott Stevens, Washington, St-Louis et New Jersey
25: Ron Francis, Hartford, Pittsburgh, Caroline et Toronto
24: Peter Forsberg, Québec/Colorado, Philadelphie et Nashville
23: Marcel Dionne, Détroit, Los Angeles et Rangers
22 : Brett Hull, Calgary, St-Louis, Dallas, Détroit et Phoenix
21 : Jari Kurri, Edmonton, Los Angeles, Rangers, Anaheim et Colorado
20 : Joe Sakic, Québec/Colorado
19 : Bryan Trottier, Islanders et Pittsburgh
18 : Larry Robinson, Montréal et Los Angeles
17 : Dominik Hasek, Chicago, Buffalo, Détroit et Ottawa
16 : Paul Coffey, Edmonton, Pittsburgh, Los Angeles, Détroit, Hartford, Philadelphie, Chicago, Caroline et Boston
15 : Bobby Clarke, Philadelphie
14: Denis Potvin, Islanders
13: Guy Lafleur, Montréal, Rangers et Québec
12 : Jaromir Jagr, Pittsburgh, Washington et Rangers
11 : Mike Bossy, Islanders
10: Phil Esposito, Chicago, Boston et Rangers
9: Niklas Lidstrom, Détroit
8: Raymond Bourque, Boston et Colorado
7 : Martin Brodeur, New Jersey
6 : Steve Yzerman, Détroit
5: Patrick Roy, Montréal et Colorado
4: Mark Messier, Edmonton, Rangers et Vancouver
3 : Mario Lemieux , Pittsburgh
2 : Bobby Orr, Boston et Chicago
1: Wayne Gretzky, Edmonton, Los Angeles, St-Louis et Rangers
Nice to see 6 Oilers on the list (7 if you count Pronger...YUCK!). | |
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Posted: 1/26/2008 2:34:01 PM | Thanks Tick,
Nice to see 14 Wings on the list.
Gilbert Perreault was my favorite as a kid so I am pleasantly surprised to see him at 27.
I would take out Anderson and have Salming higher. Jagr is too high. | |
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Posted: 1/26/2008 2:51:57 PM | No problem. Would you really remove Anderson from the list?
Why is Bobby Clarke rated so highly on this list? Am I F'd in the head cuz I don't think he should be in the top 30 even? | |
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Posted: 1/26/2008 2:57:44 PM | "I would take out Anderson and have Salming higher. Jagr is too high. "
Glenn Anderson is on there because he was one of the top clutch playoff performers in NHL history. Top-five all-time in game-winning goals (17).
As for Jagr, top 10 all-time scorer. Pretty tough to drop him much lower on that list than he is.
Personally, I think Bobby Clarke (15) and Luc Robitaille (51) should change positions on the list. | |
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Posted: 1/26/2008 3:02:05 PM | Personally, I think Bobby Clarke (15) and Luc Robitaille (51) should change positions on the list.
I agree. I was trying to figure out why they ranked him as number 15. Ahead of Kurri, Sakic and many others!! It couldn't have been for his skills as a hockey player and it certainly wasn't because of his performance as a GM. | |
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Posted: 1/26/2008 3:23:04 PM | | Hmmm. Tough lineup to crack. 30th all time in points, 36th all time in assists and 24th all time in goals at that magic number 544, doesn't get Mats a spot on there... | |
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Posted: 1/26/2008 3:25:12 PM | 57: Sidney Crosby. Pittsburgh
come on no frekin way he is on this list yet, 2.5 years in the nhl i know he is good but this list is horriable.
how about iggy and that list? only one player in the nhl in the last 10 years has scored more goals then him that being Jaromir Jagr. give me a break.
go flames go
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Posted: 1/26/2008 3:41:38 PM | Yup, smack, I thought the same thing when I saw his name (Crosby) on the list. I'm sure that 20 years from now, his name will be somewhere high up on the list, but he has no business being on it now. As for Iggy, I can see him being on the list somewhere. Why would they choose Rob Blake and Lafontaine over Iggy?
Sterling, it is a tough list to crack. You would probably have a case for Matts in the same way that Smack has for Iggy. | |
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Posted: 1/26/2008 11:04:45 PM | I put Iggy ahead of Mats.
Anderson was a cake highly overated fed off his teamates.
Clarke led his team to 2 cups. A great leader. | |
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Posted: 1/27/2008 11:29:34 AM | Anderson was a cake highly overated fed off his teamates.
Come on, he wasn't just standing at the side of the net for tap ins. Don't you remember how we would have some great rushes and just crash the net for many, many important game-winning goals?
As for Clarke, I don't care how great of a leader he was, he does not belong at number 15. | |
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Posted: 1/27/2008 11:47:41 AM | "Anderson was a cake highly overated fed off his teamates."
Ha ha...yeah, good one. One thing I WILL say about Anderson...he was another in a long list of players who ended up in Toronto AFTER his prime, which left a bitter taste in the mouths of a lot of Leaf fans (I know you aren't one now kaos, but you're starting to sound more and more like you used to be one ). Now don't get me wrong. I was never the biggest Anderson fan when he was here (Edmonton)...but he must be given his due. To say he rode on the coattails of other players tells me you never saw him play.
As for Clarke "leading" his team to 2 Stanley Cups, yeah right. Bernie Parent led that team to two Stanley Cups. Clarke just gave that stupid toothless grin for the camera and epitomized the "Broadstreet Bully"reputation that not only left a lasting black eye on the league, but made for a television career for one of its preachers...Don Cherry – another lasting black eye.
I never even saw Crosby on that list Smack but agree with your completely. Although I would add Sundin to that list before Iginla. | |
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Posted: 1/27/2008 12:01:09 PM | I am not nor have I ever been a Leaf fan. However growing up in southern Ontario it was hard to avoid them. One thing about the Leafs ...I saw a story about 10 years ago which showed that minor hockey in Ontario does well as the Leafs do well. Being that Ontario sends more players to the NHL then any other province for that reason only I want the Leafs to do well. The same correlation I am sure could be proven to exist for all the Canadian teams.
As for Clarke I guess you did not really watch hockey in the 70s. Bobby Clarke was a leader. And he was the heart and soul of the Flyers.
Iginla is a much better player than Sundin. Sundin is good but I am taking the Canadian every time.
Anderson made his career off of Gretzky, Messier, Coffey. I always wondered if he was light in the loafers. "Not that there is anything wrong with that"! | |
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Posted: 1/27/2008 12:15:01 PM | Anderson made his career off of Gretzky, Messier, Coffey. I always wondered if he was light in the loafers. "Not that there is anything wrong with that"!
Yes, he did have that voice, but obviously he wasn't. Last I heard, he was being sued for child support. I still can't believe you think that Anderson made his career off of the rest of Oilers stars. If anyone benefited from Gretz, it would be Kurri, but no one would consider removing him from the list. I think I'll have to dig out some links for classic Anderson goals and then you'll see for yourself that he may not have been a consistent guy, but he was a game breaker...and he was for many years. The type of player that every contender needs.
As for Clarke I guess you did not really watch hockey in the 70s. Bobby Clarke was a leader. And he was the heart and soul of the Flyers.
So...you obviously think his ugly mug belongs on the list, but do you agree with his ranking on this list? | |
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Posted: 1/27/2008 12:27:11 PM | "Anderson made his career off of Gretzky, Messier, Coffey. I always wondered if he was light in the loafers. "Not that there is anything wrong with that"!"
I beg to differ. Anderson never played on a line with Gretzky.
Did he benefit from being on the same team as the greatest player to ever lace up skates? Undobtedly. No one on that team – not even Mark Messier – would have turned into the player they had, without watching and learning from Gretzky. But you don't score 192 goals in 4 year by riding on others' coattails.
As for Clarke, I'll admit, living in Western Canada, I did n't see him play a whole lot in the regular season. I had to rely on the news to get updates of his ongoing goon-ness. Sorry, but I lost all respect for Bobby Clarke in September of 1972. Actually, there's no need for me to apologize. I'm not sorry about that.
Clarke would be suspended more than he would play in today's NHL. And his comments on the Blake?Downey issue prove to me that he hasn't grown up at all in the past 30 years.
Oh..as for the comment "I always wondered if he was light in the loafers." ... sounds like a little more than just a pssing fascination there Kaos | |
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