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Posted: 1/30/2008 12:31:39 PM | Hate?
Wow. That's an awfully strong word to be throwing around in implications there kaos.
I don't hate Don Cherry. I haven't met him often enough to form such an opinion.
I don't hate anyone, and I don't appreciate you insinuating that I do.
Do I hate Don Cherry? Not at all. But I do resent the fact that my tax money pays for him to spew his verbal diarrhoea on national TV. I wouldn't have an issue with it if he did his schtick on TSN, or Sportsnet, but when it's on a tax-payed national network, you bet I have a problem with it.
Long live the NEW NHL...one that is beyond Cherry's grasp. | |
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Posted: 1/30/2008 12:47:49 PM |
Long live the NEW NHL...one that is beyond Cherry's grasp.
Gee with all the big hits , suspensions and concussions looks like Old Time Hockey to me. The Euros now are playing more like Canadians than ever. Ovechkin is the perfect example and Cherry loves him. How about Holmstrom ... Cherry loves him too. Your hatred has blinded you to the facts about Cherry and his message.
I think hate pegged it right on.
Prairie ... Don't Hate ... Participate! | |
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Posted: 1/30/2008 1:47:38 PM | | can we talk hockey again soon?the instigator rule.good or bad? | |
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Posted: 1/30/2008 1:51:33 PM |
Do I hate Don Cherry? Not at all. But I do resent the fact that my tax money pays for him to spew his verbal diarrhoea on national TV.
Oh well. Too bad. So sad. I'm one of the worst people you'd ever want to meet when it comes to discussing hockey coz I have a problem with my vision and would rather just bring on the snacks for everyone else. But even I love Don Cherry. Him I can both see and understand. So my vote cancels yours! | |
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Posted: 1/30/2008 2:12:13 PM | The instigator rule is just part of the problem of hockey, Gary Bettman is another problem
Too many teams in the NHL, not enough talent, teams in markets that are not hockey crazy, why is there a team in Phoenix?
You know there are more teams in California than Ontario? yet you have 3 teams in the New York area only 1 is making money. 2 teams in Florida and combined couldn't fill 1 arena.
You have NHL hockey on Versus in the United States, because the Brass at the NHL pooched screwed the deal on a major network, oh yes you can find NHL games on ESPN 2 whoopeee you could also find State championship lawn bowling on espn 2
So why do you think Don Cherry is a disgrace to hockey? | |
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Posted: 1/30/2008 2:23:58 PM | The instigator rule is just part of the problem of hockey, Gary Bettman is another problem
Too many teams in the NHL, not enough talent, teams in markets that are not hockey crazy, why is there a team in Phoenix?
You know there are more teams in California than Ontario? yet you have 3 teams in the New York area only 1 is making money. 2 teams in Florida and combined couldn't fill 1 arena.
You have NHL hockey on Versus in the United States, because the Brass at the NHL pooched screwed the deal on a major network, oh yes you can find NHL games on ESPN 2 whoopeee you could also find State championship lawn bowling on espn 2
So why do you think Don Cherry is a disgrace to hockey?
Author: passionandsong
thats wasnt bettmans idea ,that was the owners.hense all the clutching and grabbing allowed after expansion.it was the only wat the new teams had a chance.the phoenix market is doing quite well.its all money . | |
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Posted: 1/30/2008 2:49:45 PM | Passionandsong, I didnt say Bettman is the problem, I said Bettman is part of the problem
Im going to post a quote from Andrew Bagnato, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS from January 23, 2008 covering the Phoenix Coyotes on the signing of Ilya Bryzgalov to a US$12.75-million, three-year contract with the dessert dogs.
It's just a nice, positive message, not only for the fans but for the players in the locker-room."
The signing came as a surprise for a financially strapped franchise, which reportedly expects to lose $30 million this season. The team shed high-priced players in trades last season and decided to go with its young talent this year.
"It's not really a stretch, but we're still not making money as a franchise, so when we commit to pay somebody $4 million a year, right now that means that (owner) Jerry Moyes has to front that money," chief executive officer Jeff Shumway said." want to tell me how the Coyotes are making money now?
Too many teams especially after post lockout are not making money. | |
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Posted: 1/30/2008 2:59:21 PM | | the owners of these teams bought the teams for hobby and commercial interest.not to make money on paper.the attendance in phoenix is doing well.its all a right off to moyes. | |
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Posted: 1/30/2008 3:32:50 PM | Bettman certainly is part of the problem, trying to force-feed hockey into areas that have proven are not interested, but as an Oilers fan, I have to give him some credit. He worked long and hard to keep the Oilers in Edmonton at a time where investors in some of the American centres were lining up to take them south of the border.
That said, he's done a lot more bad than good, and I can't help but thinking, as much as he helped save the Oilers, he's the biggest reason Canadian centres like Winnipeg and Hamilton do not have NHL hockey. | |
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Posted: 1/30/2008 3:39:07 PM | Bettman certainly is part of the problem, trying to force-feed hockey into areas that have proven are not interested, but as an Oilers fan, I have to give him some credit. He worked long and hard to keep the Oilers in Edmonton at a time where investors in some of the American centres were lining up to take them south of the border.
That said, he's done a lot more bad than good, and I can't help but thinking, as much as he helped save the Oilers, he's the biggest reason Canadian centres like Winnipeg and Hamilton do not have NHL hockey.
bettman is an agent for owners,and paid by the n.h.l to do so.although he also must keep it a viable market.in that respect he is brilliant. | |
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Posted: 1/30/2008 4:07:42 PM | and you forgot Quebec city, Bettman has ruined the league , I think expansion was a terrible Idea, I know what he promised the owners and he hasn't really delivered, most NHL teams are losing money, the league as a whole isn't popular, mind you two lockouts hasn't helped.
The on ice product isn't that great, they haven't really done much to show case Crosby and Oveckin, but im sure its probably hard to showcase a Russian superstar in the United States.
The NHL needs to get back into the main fold of ESPN, maybe have a Saturday night hockey in the USA mind you after the super bowl, but even if you swing putting the NHL on a major network like ABC, unfortunately too many people south of the border would rather watch " family guy and south park" then professional hockey.
Passionandsong, you do know that Phoenix has the third worst home attendance right?
only Washington and NY Islanders have worst attendance, why would you think Bettman is brilliant? he should stick to basketball. | |
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Posted: 2/2/2008 11:08:12 AM | Ho hum... another day and another Red Wing victory.
Can any team skate with the Wings?
... Yawn..
Where is Pucky when you need him? | |
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Posted: 2/2/2008 11:50:23 AM | ^ Don't worry about the boredom because this is like every other year. You only have to wait about 3 months left before the Wings lose 4 out of 7 games. | |
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Posted: 2/2/2008 10:26:33 PM | """...Ho hum... another day and another Red Wing victory..."""
Probably must feel pretty good to be sitting on top of the mountain looking down on the rest of the league. lol. Oh how quickly folks can forget the good old days. Red Wings are rolling along. 40 wins already. Tenth straight season. In baseball terms they're 7 and a half games up on the nearest club, and that nearest club is showing signs of cracks, losing something like 4 out of their last 7.
So if they did win it all this year, that would be 4 Cups in 10 seasons. But no Cups since the Yzerman/Bowman era ended going on 6 years now in spite of some league leading regular season performances. Nice to see the Red Wings back from being the dead things.
Maybe some Red Wing fanatic(s) could share some fond memories of those two playoff appearances they managed to make between 1967 and 1983. lol. Or just settle for some fond memories of their one series win over that same period of abject pitifulness. lol One playoff win in 16 years. Now that's funny. I'd almost forgotten how bad they were till i went and looked some of it up.
And then the hockey gods created Stevey Y. In 83/84 Stevey Y, as a rookie led the Red Wings to their first playoff appearance in 6 seasons. 6. Wow. That's pretty mediocre. 6.
Those are stats that should be pretty tough to beat. One playoff victory in 16 years, and 6 years between playoff visits. Wow. And here i was starting to think it would be the end of the world if the leafs ended up missing three in a row for the first time in this illustrious Leaf fanchise's history.
In 1990, Red Wings missed the playoffs for the last time to date. Pretty good club. But they have yet to prove they've made the championship transition from the Steve Yzerman era...and if history is any indication, the days between Yzerman, Shanny and Hull championships and the old Howe Delvechio Lindsay combination of the 1950's could mean Wings might be in for another 40 plus year drought again...
Wonder which is worse. Going from 1955 to 1997 (42 years) without a Cup like the Red Wings did, or going from 67 to present (41 years) like the leafs? Hawks take it all not having won since 61, and the Strangers have one the last 67 years, so all is not ashambles in leaf town. Habs fans will have gone an unprecedented 15 years without one if they don't win it this year. Habs always won at leat two per decade since near the turn of the last century until they're last one in 93.
Red Wings record all time in Cup Finals Series 10-12, so however many points folks might want to give, they can figure that one out. Leafs record all-time in Stanley cup finals is 13-8.
Anyways, Marlies, I mean Leafs minus 8 regulars, stick one on the Sens tonight. Undefeated in February.
Brian Burke maybe has an age issue to deal with with his Ducks. He hedged his bets in the offseason going for the experience in Bertuzzi and Schneider in case folks like Selanne and Niedermayer didn't come back. Then he added Doug Weight. Now he's got an older squad from last year and i'm wondering if this sudden skid they're on has something to do with age. They're in the middle of a long road trip, and haven't scored in over two games now.
Watching part of that Flames Stars game tonight, i don't know if any club maybe other than Philly, maybe the Devils, could match up with the west. You put your life in your hands going to the net in that conference. Different type of intensity to the west games compared to the east. | |
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Posted: 2/3/2008 1:47:49 PM | What a good game between the Rangers and the Habs! That was one nasty and heated affair. I've been really impressed watching Montreal over the last stretch...however, don't know what happened to them today. Looks like they were going to steamroll the Rangers by going up 3-0 and then they suddenly imploded.
Brian Burke maybe has an age issue to deal with with his Ducks. He hedged his bets in the offseason going for the experience in Bertuzzi and Schneider in case folks like Selanne and Niedermayer didn't come back. Then he added Doug Weight. Now he's got an older squad from last year and i'm wondering if this sudden skid they're on has something to do with age. They're in the middle of a long road trip, and haven't scored in over two games now.
I was wondering about the same thing. They lost Penner and obviously miss him up front and lost Nieds and Selanne. Then they added the cancer, Bertuzzi, and then added age to their lineup with those other acquistions. It will be interesting to see what Selanne can do once he returns, but I'd be surprised if they did anything significant this year. | |
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Posted: 2/5/2008 1:26:03 AM | Don't worry about the boredom because this is like every other year. You only have to wait about 3 months left before the Wings lose 4 out of 7 games.
Would that be 4 out of seven in the Conference Final or the Cup final?
Ho hum .....Boston and another win.
Wings will get a test this month with many road games and also most against the division where they are only 500.
I hope some of the teams in the rest of the league get more practice i. It is boring at the top.
Leafs 41 year drought. Can you say 50? | |
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Posted: 2/5/2008 3:59:53 AM | "Would that be 4 out of seven in the Conference Final or the Cup final?"
It doesn't matter. | |
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Posted: 2/5/2008 12:33:38 PM | Well. I will enjoy the run either way.
Only in Detroit is a Conference final or a Cup final loss a dissapointment.
If they do get that far it would put them in as the best playoff record over the last few years... unless of course they lose to Aneheim.
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Posted: 2/5/2008 1:04:30 PM | "Only in Detroit is a Conference final or a Cup final loss a dissapointment."
Excuse me?
Says who?
I don't recall victory parades in Edmonton or Calgary after Stanley Cup losses. I seem to recall a pretty vicious RIOT in Vancouver in 1994.
I'd say only in Detroit is playoff mediocrity considered success - at least it’s been represented as success by you. But hey...whatver you deem as success is your own business. | |
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Posted: 2/5/2008 1:17:05 PM | lol
<div class="quote">I don't recall victory parades in Edmonton or Calgary after Stanley Cup losses. I seem to recall a pretty vicious RIOT in Vancouver in 1994.
I know it's tough being a Canucks, Oilers and Flames fan these last 10 years ....ZERO Cups amongst them. Wings 3 Cups last 10 years... All the NHL should be so mediocre!
“Anybody who says they don't like fighting in the NHL have to be out of their minds.”
Don Cherry
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Posted: 2/5/2008 3:40:24 PM | Why would it be tough being a Flames or Oilers fan? According to you, we have no reason at all th be disappointed. After all, we've actually made it to the Stanley Cup finals lately. According to you, only the mighty Detroit Red Wings would regard that as a disappointment.
Prepared to be disappointed again this season.
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Posted: 2/5/2008 4:19:15 PM | Anybody who says they don't like fighting in the NHL have to be out of their minds.”
Don Cherry
i agree with cherry on that one,and i also agree that detroit has been the best orginization of the past ten years.there really is no way to argue either,unfortunately. | |
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Posted: 2/5/2008 4:50:42 PM | "Anyone who says hockey can't be great without fighting must really find the Stanley Cup playoffs boring."
Prairie Pundit.
THAT'S how you argue that one.
And btw...as for that Don Cherry comment, thank you. You wanted proof he was a bigot? That quote defines "bigot" to a T, in the purest essence of the word. | |
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Posted: 2/5/2008 4:57:25 PM | And btw...as for that Don Cherry comment, thank you. You wanted proof he was a bigot? That quote defines "bigot" to a T, in the purest essence of the word.
i guess i am a bigot then.because its true.its part of the game and always should be.it is an integral part of winning in hockey.skate,shoot,pass,intimidate.take the intimidation away,you have ripped the heart out of the best sport ever to be played. | |
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Posted: 2/5/2008 6:00:37 PM | "i guess i am a bigot then.because its true.its part of the game and always should be.it is an integral part of winning in hockey.skate,shoot,pass,intimidate.take the intimidation away,you have ripped the heart out of the best sport ever to be played"
Well then, I guess you are a bigot
A bigot by definition is: someone who holds an opinion obstinately and IS INTOLERANT of anyone whose opinion varies.
I'd say calling people who don't like fighting in hockey "out of their minds" is a pretty clear statement of intolerance of someone else's opinion.
And incidentally, who says you have to fight to intimidate?
Messier could intimidate just by looking at you.
Dion Phaneuf is one of the most intimidating young players in the game today. Is it because he fights every game? Not at all.
Scott Stevens was one of the most intimidating defencemen to ever play the game. Is that because he'd drop the gloves every game? Nope.
Don't confuse intimidation with fighting. They are two completely diffeerent aspects of the game.
Also, the Detroit Red Wings, who you agree are the most successful hockey club in the past decade, seem to completely contradict your theory that it's an integral part of winning. And how many majors did the 1975-1979 Montreal Canadiens incur? Weren't they pretty consistently the least penalized team in the league back then? Not sure, but I can't seem to remember them bullying their way to 4 straight stanley cups. I could be wrong though.
And boy oh boy...aren't those World Junior Hockey Championships just about the dullest hockey you can ever imagine watching? I don't know how they even manage to give away tickets to those games, much less sell out, particularly in Canada.
I'm not saying fighting can ever be abolished in the NHL. I think the combination of speed, hits, stickwork and sheer adrenaline would make removing fighting pretty much an impossibility. And I do think there are times when it's necessary to stick up for your teammates, at whatever cost.
But I can tell you one thing. I never, EVER, left a hockey game thinking "Wow, that would have been the best game I have ever seen, if only there had been a fight."
If you have, then our opinions on what makes a hockey game great differ. And I'm OK with that. You have the right to your opinion. | |
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