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Posted: 2/16/2008 1:10:07 PM | | Agreed. If my team were to sneak into the playoffs, I'd much rather face off against the Wings than any of the other upper-echelon teams. All you have to do is aggressively forecheck their geriatric bones into submission and you'll have them running to dressing room to up their calcium dosage. | |
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Posted: 2/16/2008 4:43:59 PM | ^^^lol
those old farts playing in Detroit are falling slowly.
In the West, im liking the Dallas Stars. Turco looks great. Modano is still playing well and they have several other players stepping up playing valuable roles like Morrow and Riberio. Many of their regular dmen like Boucher and Zubov are hurt yet they keep on winning. I expect them to make some noise in the playoffs this year.
The east is a crap shoot. Ottawa has looked weak lately and the Habs are playing fairly well and almost overtook the Sens last week in the Standings but there back down their again. New Jersey can never be counted out. | |
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Posted: 2/16/2008 9:45:52 PM | """...Ottawa has looked weak lately..."'"
Very weak. They may very well be imploding from within. 2 wins in their last 8. Lucky for them one of those two wins was against the Habs otherwise they'd be sitting in 4th tonight after dropping their third game in a row tonight. They could be as low as 6th by the end of the month the way they're playing. And 6th to 9th isn't that great a leap at that point...
23rd in goals against makes it kind of hard to take them seriously as a viable Cup candidate. Another run of 2 wins out of 8 and they could find themselves looking into the abyss. Now 19-18-5 since they're 15-2 fast start out of the blocks 3-4 months ago. bet John Paddock wishes the regular season would end right now. The pack is now breathing down their necks. They can be so fragile at times.
Tell ya. Every time i see that Canucks team play it seems fights break out all over the place. Nobody can say they're not going down without a fight. | |
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Posted: 2/18/2008 10:16:35 AM | What a great game between the Oil and Nucks on Saturday. Tempers were flaring right from the get go.
Staios should get a suspension for his slash on Burrows at the end of the game as Burrows was putting the puck in the empty net.
The Battle of Alberta games have been great to watch but how about the Battle of the West? the last couple Oil/nuck games have been wild.
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Posted: 2/18/2008 10:38:51 AM | | apparently my ability to start threads have been rvoked(not enough thread searches i guess)oh well.i will try to start one on here .lets try being armchair g.ms for a bit.put together some trades that you think will make sense.ill start if you will.hossa to montreal for kotsytsin,halak,and a 1st. | |
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Posted: 2/18/2008 10:42:39 AM | Sniper, I was at that game. Let me tell you, the battles in the stands were about as heated as the ones on the ice. Lots of Oil fans in attendance and there was some bad blood in the audience, for sure.  | |
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Posted: 2/18/2008 11:11:15 AM | Khabibulin and Havlat out of Chicargo for Emery, Foligno and/or a draft pick or Vermette or Kelley in Ottawa
Rob Blake to Detroit for Cleary and a draft pick or two.
Forsberg to Minnesota
If he waives, Tucker to either Vancouver for Luc Bourdon, or to Calgary for Dustin Boyd and a 2nd round pick
Kaberle or Hal Gill or Pavel Kubina to San Jose for Patrick Marleau
Some type of Tanguay for Michael Ryder plus another body deal.
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Lecavalier to the Habs for Halik, Kotsystsin, a first rounder and a third rounder.
EDIT: Oh ya, I almost forgot...Dan Boyle and Vaclav Prospal are headed out of Tampa some where as well. Maybe Boyle to the Sharks or the deep fried Dead Things. Prospal possibly to ottawa but more likely Canucks.
Look for Avs to bolster thier squad for the stretch run with a dman and a forward for John Lilliies or however you spell it. | |
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Posted: 2/18/2008 11:17:06 AM | | Roloson and Pitkanen to SJ for Marleau | |
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Posted: 2/18/2008 11:26:00 AM | | ^^^that's a good one. i could see that one happening. | |
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Posted: 2/18/2008 5:21:10 PM | Yeah, I heard on HNIC Saturday night the red wings are cutting playoff ticket prices by up to 45% due to bad attendance......
I wish someone would take Jagr off the rangers hands.... But with that contract, I highly doubt it....... | |
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Posted: 2/18/2008 5:37:38 PM | huge wings fan here..
it all started with the shot to the face that dan cleary took and its gone down hill from there. about the ticket prices, the decreasing ticket sales only for the first two rounds b/c the fans now that they will get to the 3rd round. all i ask is get rid of hasek. hes the worst belly flopper and sive there is. the game agains the leafs, please! lets lay down on our back oops the puck goes in. urggggghhhh the blake trade is a no go. hes staying put and putting "FOOTE" down on any trades. one thing is for sure, any leaf that comes to hockey town usa will defintely be better and will the stanley cup. book it danno | |
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Posted: 2/18/2008 7:59:55 PM | Rob Blake to Detroit for Cleary and a draft pick or two.
no chance the kings get cleary in that deal.a first at best.
i can see blake to pit for malone.
Lecavalier to the Habs for Halik, Kotsystsin, a first rounder and a third rounder.
are you insane?tampa is not trading him,and they might have to give that up to get a realy good ufa.if tampa did trade vinny they would get way more then that in return
Kaberle or Hal Gill or Pavel Kubina to San Jose for Patrick Marleau
no way they are trading kaberle(certainly one for one for marleau).kubina and wellwood for marleau and pavelski maybe. | |
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Posted: 2/18/2008 9:41:17 PM | Kaberle's not waiving anyway. I doubt Doug Wilson's stupid enough to take Wellwood. He already had a taste of Wellwood when he got Alyn MacCauley as part of the Owen Nolan deal. Maybe Kubina and Kilger for Marleau and and their first and third round pick. They're looking for more offence from their backline and Kubina used to be able to fill that bill. Kilger gives them some grit and experience and a good hardworking player.
Tampa's got to move some of their top end earners here. Especially if they're thinking of resigning Boyle who apparently wants almost the same as Nicky Lidstrom makes and he wants it for 8 years. Maybe Marty St. Louis to the Habs for Ryder, Halak and Kotsitsin.
Red wings snap their losing streak. i guess it's back to the ho hum of winning again in Motown. Lidstrom might have hurt his knee though.
EDIT: For Jagr, if we could get Tucker to waive, we'd give you him and Wellwood for yammy and a second round pick. Then Sather can have both Avery and Tucker together like he always wanted. Hell, everyone's got the leafs written off for the next couple of years anyway, so we might as welll watch Jagr, Sundin and Marleau as our opening line just for entertainment purposes. | |
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Posted: 2/19/2008 8:29:48 AM | if and i know this is only a if...if the leafs had any kind of sense they would tell sundin to waive his ntc, and pick up a package with a first round pick and some young prospects. tampa prove wacthing star forwards isnt all that fun, and tampa's 3 is a hell of alot more skilled then that jagr, sundin and marleau..
i dont understand some of the trades you guys are saying would be good here. some are between 2 playoff bound or fighting for the playoff teams. if its this close your not going to see teams just giving up if they are in 6th and taking a bunch of picks.
go flames go
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Posted: 2/19/2008 8:36:19 AM | ohhh and i forgot to say everyone poking fun at the wings...may not be to smart. this is only going to go 2 ways 1. they will contine to play like weak old men 2. this top of the nhl team finnaly got a taste of adversity which only makes teams stronger.
i still think the stars are looking like the team to beat in the west. wacthed that flames stars games a few weeks ago and wow playing the stars in a 2 week war is going to be hell on ice. they pretty much have it all, id say if the wings and stars were to meet in the playoffs enless the wings use that adversity to learn and better themselves from stars would win in 5.
go flames go
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Posted: 2/19/2008 10:15:04 AM | One thing for sure about sports, is that we never know. Trades can turn out all kinds of different ways. Jagr, Sundin and Marleau could also be the single season highest line combination ever just as easily as they could all get hurt. You just never know. Who would have thought the Thornton deal would have transformed Jonathon Cheechoo into a Rocket Richard trophy winner.
But I'd be surprised if, at the costs suggested in the deals, most Leaf fans wouldn't be quite happy to watch that first line of Jagr, Sundin and Marleau for one year while we try to keep retooling the club around Sundin if he won't waive. Sure beats the various permutations and combinations Paul Maurice has gone with this year. That would be the first time we'd had a real NHL type first line since the 93-94 days with Gilmour and Andreychuk and Gartner. We didn't win anything then either, but it was sure fun to watch.
Ticket holders should get to see something a little better than Sundin, Wellwood and Tlusty as a first line which we've seen recently. And like i say, a lot of so-called leaf fans have written this club off already for the next couple of seasons, so who knows.
That would still leave bodies like Ponyboy, Tlusty, Steen and Antropov to make up a second line out of some of the young Leaf hopefuls that are already on the roster. Go with Jason Blake, Devereaux and Stajan for a pretty respectable third line, and then see whatever other pieces of the puzzle might fit.
Can't make Sundin waive if he doesn't want to, but he's still got a week to change his mind. With all these ball and chains called no-trade clauses hampering Cliffy, there's only so much he's going to be able to do here. He may end up having to settle for leaving the core intact and work around the perimeter of the roster, which puts us right back at ground zero for next year.
The only reason I'm not jumping on the Stars bandwagon, even though they are impressive, is the fact that playoffs and Marty Turco haven't really agreed with one another in the past. He's playing real solid again this year, maybe even better than he does most years, but until he crosses that playoff hump, I'm gonna look at other teams before them. Maybe this will be his year to prove he can go the distance.
The Ducks are going to be real tough to put out, and so too, as always, will be the Red Wings. But over a two week series, a club like Minny, or Calgary, and possibly even those Canucks, can wear these clubs down with physical play. Detroit's a pretty old hockey club once you take a real good look at it, and I'm just not sure they're gonna have enough gas in the tank to get there. If San Jose can pull the trigger on two more impact players, one on offence and one on defence, then with the way Nabakov's playing this year, you could ride him pretty far down the road. But if they go in with the roster they have, I don't see them getting to the finals, which is too bad because Nabakov could be a serious Hart trophy candidate.
The west is tough stuff. The intensity level out there seems have gone to new level in the last couple of weeks, and it was already higher than the East's before that, so whatever team does come out of there, I think they're just gonna smoke the east again this year, unless it's old Marty Brodeur showing up trying to get his 4th Cup to match Roy.
Don't count out a Sutter Final, but. also never count out the champs until they're no longer the champs.
Selanne may be just the last piece of the puzzle Ducks need to defend thier Cup. Time will tell. | |
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Posted: 2/19/2008 11:07:14 AM | Tick Tock,
Your a lucky dude... the game on tv was entertaining so i bet in the stands it was even better. Its funny both the Nucks and Oil dont have much for tough guys with the likes of Laroque and Brookbank gone. But those young kids like Burrows, Kesler and Sortini (sp?) are pretty good fiesty players. I cant believe Cogliano dropped the gloves! It was great to see both teams sticking up for each other.
Forsberg is done ...there's a shocker.
Philly had the best bet to land him again, but here in B.C., there's been lots of talk of the Canucks picking him up.
Nonis has even made two trips to Sweden recently to try to lure Forsberg into Vancouver to play with his brothers from Sweden - Naslund, Ohlund & the Sedins. Its unlikely at Best now. | |
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Posted: 2/19/2008 11:26:52 AM | I know smack didn't specify me when he said he can't understand some of the trades we are suggesting, but I really should explain the reasoning behind mine anyway.
Roloson and Pitkanen for Marleau.
First of all, the only way KL gets anything at all, or even gets anyone to pick up Roloson's contract, is if he throws him in on a deal. And not just to anyone. He will have to find a team that is willing to pay that kind of money for a back-up goalie.
Enter San Jose. The Sharks need 2 things. One, a back-up for Nabakov (quick...can anyone name his current back-up?) and 2, some more experience on D. That was the one glaring downfall of theirs last year.
The deal makes sense for the Oilers in numerous ways. One, they get rid of Rolly's contract. Two, they pick up some star power in Marleau, something this team is in dire need of. As for Pitkanen, I don't want to see him go, but he will demand at least $4M per season as a RFA July 1 and I don't think the Oilers can afford him as it stands. Yes, Marleau make $6.3M, but without Rolly and Pitkanen, the Oilers can afford it.
Wilson does not like Marleau and Marleau is in need of a change to rejuvenate his career.
Pitkanen can be switched for Stoll in the deal, if it makes more sense to the Sharks. He's a RFA July 1 as well and I can't see the Oilers signing both him and Pitkanen. | |
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Posted: 2/19/2008 1:11:13 PM | Defencman Jaroslav Modry from the Kings to the Flyers for a third round pick. That's a done deal as of about an hour ago.
Along the same lines as pundits trade, with Havlat and Khabibulin rumoured to be available out of Chicago, Wilson could look in that direction. But since Sharks don't need a first stringer, they could maybe shoot for Havlat, Yanick Perrault and Lalime, for Marleau, Pavelski, a late pick and the Sharks present backup.
But that doesn't solve Wilson's challenge of bagging a mobile defencman. Whether Campbell of the Sabres, Blake of the Kings or Kaberle are available or not remains to be seen. i think Darcy Regheir might still shop Campbell for a couple of regular players. But some other half-a$$ed defenceman available could be Marek Malik, Boyle, and Lillies. Kubina or that Pitkannen deal could be Wilson's best bet. If he insists on a goaler instead of a Kilger type, I suppose we could let him pry Raycroft from us.
i think Murray out of Ottawa will put a package together for Khabibulin and Havlat for maybe either Emery, Foligno and Kelley, or, if they refuse to take lunatic fringe Emery, try Gerber, Foligno, Chris Kelley and a third round pick for Yannick Perrault, Khabibulin and Havlat and a fifth round pick. Sens were absolutely embarrassed by the Ducks in the faceoff circle last year and Perrault is one of the best in that category. Havlat can address the secondary scoring issue the sens have, and Emery is gone from the dressing room one way or another maybe once and for all.
Thing about Jagr is apparently, and this is quoted:"...If he does not finish the regular season with at least 84 points while the Rangers win at least one round in the playoffs, Jagr's contract will expire at the end of the season and he wil become a UFA. - New York Post...""" So i would think he could very well be on the move. He has 49 points with 21 games to play.
As for the logic of Hossa being traded for me it would be very simple. I wouldn't resign with Atlanta. Period. Waddell was in on the arrangement for Muckler to first get him signed 3 years ago before shipping him an hour later for Heatley. Don Waddell is not going to get this guy signed back and will get nothing at all for him if he doesn't move him in the next week.
History has shown in the past that regardless of where teams are sitting in the playoff hunt right now, everyone is ready to make a deal if they think it will improve their hockey club. In '94 for example with the Rangers 10 points up in first place with less than 20 games to go, Keenan showed everybody something new by trading for Glenn Anderson, Mactavish, Noonan, and Matteau for players like Gartner, Amonte, James Patrick, Todd Marchant and Phil Bourque. I realize that was days long ago and far away before the salary cap era, but salary caps aren't really the big issue at this point of this season. 3/4's of all salaries have been paid by now. the big issue is next year, and no-trade clauses this year.
Just last week the top team in the east did a 4 player swap with the third place club in the east, so maybe some folks don't understand it, but the rest of the league does. | |
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Posted: 2/19/2008 3:35:39 PM | | well I guess they stopped the slide Sly! even thou they lost one of the best defensemen in leauge history! But Mr.downy did what hockey players are suppose to do and stick up for his teammate! | |
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Posted: 2/19/2008 8:35:00 PM | """...one of the best defensemen in leauge history!..."""
Agreed. He's a special piece of work that one.
I think he got a thousand games in faster than anyone else in the history of the game. The guy's a rock of Gibralter back there. Apparently he might only be out a week to ten days though. I just read where he gets it scoped tomorrow. Chattin' with a buddy on the phone last night while he was watching the game on his hockey package and apparently it was a bit of a cheesy hit.
EDIT: Boy are the Toronto sports shows going nuts tonight. Rumour mongering like crazy that Sundin played his last game as a Leaf tonight. Pretty much the opposite to what Cliffy said tonight about nothing going on until he returns to TO from Fla's meetings. | |
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Posted: 2/20/2008 6:04:57 AM | | lidstrom, amazing defencemen. and im sorry but the hit was clean. the other thing about that was, knee after he stood up. wooozy. looked more like a concussion then a knee. he looked like he was in outer space rather than at the joe | |
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Posted: 2/20/2008 6:08:59 AM | | Thats typical of the way ian plays his game ...... did it in LA as well !!! Havent heard anytning here yet on his condition just that it might not be as serious as it looked!!! you know as well as anyone sly that the playoffs are a totally different season!!!! I see the games are getting a lot more chippy.... you can tell its getting close to the playoffs | |
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Posted: 2/20/2008 6:09:16 AM | | Thats typical of the way ian plays his game ...... did it in LA as well !!! Havent heard anytning here yet on his condition just that it might not be as serious as it looked!!! you know as well as anyone sly that the playoffs are a totally different season!!!! I see the games are getting a lot more chippy.... you can tell its getting close to the playoffs | |
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