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Posted: 2/26/2008 12:59:57 AM | i was thinking the nhl should state a rule kinda like the deal with players going to russia....something like if a player has not signed with a nhl/ahl club by a certain day (within reason) they will not be able to play that season or playoffs. and i do know the flames would not have cujo if this was the case but it would have forced sutters hand faster, also duck there is no way they could just stack players mid season.
its not like we are talking about just the wings getting d-mac a old grinder. i just dont think its cool to all of a sudden pick up a player that could be a playoff changer for way under what you could get them with the cap for a full year. its a dirty trick of a loophole.
also big differences between say cujoand d-mac then Forsberg, Selanne and Niedermayer. the last all were saying they were done no intention of playing this season.
i like that idea of charging the team ethier on the cap or off but adding up and making the team pay as if it was a full contract. so instead of only playing say forsberg for 0 games the 62 games before will be added and paid to the nhl. so say you sign a player to 20 games at 1 million your going to just have to throw away another 3 or hell even make it double time for missed games.
now id say you would have to give each club a fair amout of time first though like what 20 games? maybe 30? to get all players under contract.
as much as i disagree with sundin not willing to help his team by waiving and giving his team some picks for the future. id have to say he has the rigth idea in a way. with his coments something about building a team and that drive for the playoffs starts in training camp, something to be said about that. not just greddy players not willing to put in the work of the reg season and just playing for the glory well shipping out players that worked through the full 82 game war that is the reg season.
go flames go
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Posted: 2/26/2008 3:57:57 AM | "something like if a player has not signed with a nhl/ahl club by a certain day (within reason) they will not be able to play that season or playoffs?"
They do have a day like that. It's today. If a player is not signed by trade deadline day, they cannot be on the playof roster.
What Burke did with Niedermeyer and Selanne (and don't kid yourself – it was known all along that they'd be back) is an embarrassment to the integrity of the NHL. It basically shows the unimportance of the first 40 games of an NHL schedule. Scott and Teemu knew they'd return, they just had no interest in grinding it out for an 82-game schedule. Thank the hockey gods all the stars didn't feel that way.... this year. ... but a precedent has been set. There will be some sort of ruleset in the next CBA to address this issue, because, mark my words, this is going to happen more and more now, ESPECIALLY if the Ducks were to successfully defend the Cup.
Maybe Bettman saw nothing wrong with it this time, because, of course, Teemu and Scott are West Coast stars and everyone knows that, in his eyes, the West Coast doesn't really matter. But Gary, whatcha gonna do when one of your poster boys from, say, Pittsburgh or Washington decides to mail in the first half of the season? | |
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Posted: 2/26/2008 6:33:11 AM | I agree that what SELANNE did was most likely planned from day one and there should be a rule of some sort, but don'tforget that NIEDERMYER was still under contract and was under team suspenion all season untill he decided to come back, I think there is a difference there though.
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Posted: 2/26/2008 6:47:50 AM | That's true ... and that may be even worse. He showed a blatant disregard for a contractual obligation.
Certainly different situations, but they should both be addressed. Imagine if Crosby decided next year that, based on over half the teams in his conference making the playoffs, and being confident enough that, should he decide to take half a year off, it wouldn't put the Penguins so far out of it that there would be no way of recouping, he chose to rest until December.
Bettman would have a bird, if it were Crosby that did it. | |
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Posted: 2/26/2008 8:18:35 AM | | I guess its true that hockey has turned into laywers who find loopholes that try to create imbalance!! In my oponion bring back the old game where hard work and a few fights decides games not the laywers who expose the loopholes!! | |
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Posted: 2/26/2008 9:53:05 AM | I guess it also says something about Burke once working for an extended period of time in the NHL front office. He knows all the ins and outs of the paperwork. But yes, it seriously undermines the integrity of the regular season if they're going to allow this to go on unchecked. If lawyers were that smart, Ferguson Jr. would have seen coming this bogus 15 gane suspension they handed out suddenly to Mark Bell at the start of this season based on a guilty plea entered in a San Jose courtroom for a crime committed over a year prior. This in turn classified Bell as an alcoholic, even though he'd been dry for a year.
I'm not excusing Bell for his act. I just thought it was very very poorly handled by the NHL. It really showed a serious flaw in their substance abuse policies. They never did anything to the guy until he changed his plea to guilty which to me is like some kind of invisible line in the sand being drawn here.
As for Sundin, I sure can't speak for him, but in my mind, part of the message he maybe has been trying to tell Leaf fans is that this team is much better than their record indicates and he has unfinished business that he believes he and his team can complete. I know, cue up the kaos marching band laughter, but, those first two games of the season told me that club was more than good enough to make it into the playoffs.
They've underachieved thru the winter and i think we'll see a much more competitive leaf team coming down the strecth. Hopefully it won't be the third year of 'too little too late' or a 'day late and a dollar short'. They lost the first two games of the season by one goal to the Sens. They seriously outshot the Sabres in both of their losses to them this month. I admire Mats's faith in his hockey club, and i think the rest of that club will get on board with him like they did last night. There's no reason in the world (apart from basic underachievement) with the money the Leafs have spent on that hockey club that they shouldn't be in the playoffs.
Gainey's gonna roll the dice and go with a rookie goalie this year in the playoffs. Don't quite understand him moving Huet to Washington for a draft pick, but I'm sure he knows better than me what he's doing.
Leafs shop Belak to the Panthers. Stars add Brad Richards at centre. Devils add Bryce Salvador on D. I thought St. Louey just resigned Salvador the other day. Avs add defenceman Ruslan Salei from the Panthers.
And Sabres send Brian Campbell on his way to San Jose.
EDIT: Ooooh. Adam Foote going back to the Avs | |
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Posted: 2/26/2008 10:40:01 AM | | washington is on glue.absalutely bone head trades. | |
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Posted: 2/26/2008 10:57:59 AM | | Fedorov with Ovechkin could be fun for the remainder of the season, might be the kick in the ass Sergei needs. | |
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Posted: 2/26/2008 11:03:49 AM | | they are not in the stage of there rebuilding process to make deals like this. | |
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Posted: 2/26/2008 11:27:16 AM | | wings fan here getting alittle nervous with no trades on the front or even close. good for mccarty resigning but with all the things happening in the west, i dont know! avs out of a playoff spot but not for long and will probably play first place team. scarey stuff. i hope the stars finish first.... | |
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Posted: 2/26/2008 11:32:58 AM | wings fan here getting alittle nervous with no trades on the front or even close. good for mccarty resigning but with all the things happening in the west, i dont know! avs out of a playoff spot but not for long and will probably play first place team. scarey stuff. i hope the stars finish first....
great trade by dallas.richards will serve that organization well.i feel sorry for halpern. | |
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Posted: 2/26/2008 11:47:59 AM | | Something strange in Montreal with Huet going to Washington. Now they need a second goalie... can you say Roloson for Ryder? | |
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Posted: 2/26/2008 11:56:15 AM | | gainey was going price all year.halak is a finr back up. | |
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Posted: 2/26/2008 11:59:44 AM | | told ya hossa would bring a shit load. | |
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Posted: 2/26/2008 12:41:56 PM | Late pickup for Wings getting Brad Stuart. Kilger of the Leafs to the Panthers. Hal Gill of the Leafs to the Pens. Strangers get Blues D man Backman.
Sens fix one problem - strength up the middle grabbing Martin Lapointe but their problem is goaltending and it wasn't fixed.
I'd be seriously pissed if i was a Nucks fan. Matt Pettinger the lone deal to bolster their offensive woes. Wow, what a blockbuster.
Big bad Chris Simon to the Wild.
Devils are still my pick in the east even with all these moves by Pitt. Conklin's not playoff tested in net. Brodeur is. Defence wins championships and Devils know how to play that game.
I gotta like the Stars right now in the west, but Anaheim is still going to have to be taken care of by somebody.. I'd forgotten it was Brad Richards that won the Conn Smyth that year they won it all.
Fans must be a wee bit disappointed in Van, NYR, and Ottawa and especially the Habs. Gainey did nothing.
Cliffy moved a few bodies out for draft picks. I'll miss Kilger. He gave you an honest nights effort. Most leaf fans think Gill was our best Dman all year but I didn't think he was very good myself. He never hit a body all year and seemed to be on the highlight reel most nights standing overtop of Toskala fishing the puck out of the back of the net. He has the reach but he seemed slow and out of position to wrap up his man most nights. He was a bit of a bust since his days in Boston. We'll see who Belak wants to punch out the most tomorrow night when the leafs go to Fla. I doubt he'll go over the boards at Paul Maurice, but i'd laff if he did. | |
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Posted: 2/26/2008 12:52:03 PM | | Washington is on glue? ABUH??? Huet+Federov thats a HUGE gain... I dont know how you can even try to say they are on glue | |
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Posted: 2/26/2008 1:36:02 PM | Washington is on glue? ABUH??? Huet+Federov thats a HUGE gain... I dont know how you can even try to say they are on glue
huet is a ufa.federov is only good for one more year.2 seconds when you have little chance of winning the cup?bad trades. | |
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Posted: 2/26/2008 5:31:15 PM | | got to tell you that pitt is looking good with the pickups but cant like who they gave up to get hossa. those three guys will be stars in the future. cant wait to see sid the kid, malkin and hossa on a line. woooooow. wings fan and kind of sitting on the fence with brad stuart. helps on the blue line, can send the young guys back down. ie meech. but nothing big like i was hoping. i know one rumour that didnt get done, federov back to hockeytown and thank goodness. i would have given up a bucket of pucks for him thats it!!! | |
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Posted: 2/26/2008 8:40:28 PM | | FEDOROV was brought to the caps for one reason, to be a mentor to the young super rookie BACKSTROM. | |
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Posted: 2/26/2008 10:01:36 PM | I don't think Washington's deals were too bad. They've worked hard under Boudreau to get close to a playoff position and McPhee rewarded them by trying to strengthen the club. Matt Pettinger's numbers are pretty small for a 6th year guy. Caps have been getting in some real fisticuffs with the rest of the southeast while they battle and Matt Cookes numbers are not only better, but he also brings a lot of grit and piss and vinegar with him. Advantage Caps on that one. One more battler is good to have right about now when the games really start to heat up. Cooke will also bring some of that western intensity we've been seeing in some of those canuck games lately.
Caps needed a veteran centre while Nylander's shoulder heals thru to the end of the regular season and Federov shouldn't have any trouble fitting in with the Russian kids there. Federov is also probably a guy the younger Russian kids are going to listen to and he's still got some tricks in his bag. These kids he'll be playing with will help make his game look better as well.
Ovechkin hasn't scored in 8 games so any help for the kid will be beneficial. Plus federov can tutor him on not getting caught on Tv kissing his new girlfriend at the basketball games. Ovechkin's in love and his game's gone to hell in a handbasket. I still don't think Federov was ever the same player after Bure started banging his girlfriend at the time, Kournikova, and Federov became the jilted ex there back about ten years ago. Maybe Sergie F. can share some words of wisdom for Ovechkin the young loverboy. lol
Keep your mind on the game. He's been text messaging his little honey lately between periods and right up till game time. So maybe Federov will give him a nice quiet backhander, or at least speak the same language here, and let hm know what's really paying the freight here. 
This kid babe Ruth they gave up for Federov is still a good 2 or 3 years away from being in the big leagues. He's a D-man and the Caps are well stocked right now with an abundance of good young defencemen for many years to come. Poti at 30 is the oldest defencman on the roster. If anthing they maybe should have grabbed one more grizzled blueline veteran.
Huet for a second rounder. Well Kolzig's in the middle of posting his worst stats since 1995 and is UFA at the end of the year. The other goalie Johnson is known to choke come playoff time and thats why St. Louis got rid of him years ago. Olie's UFA this summer, same as Huet, so Caps can finally cut the cord with Kolzig and go with huet next year.
Caps don't make any moves and they probably would have tailed off here like they have been and end up falling short. McPhee's given Boudreau a shot at getting the kids into the playoffs this year and gain some good playoff experience. Plus the playoffs is pure profit for the hockey club and that will help Washington's balance sheet if they make it. If they don't, they've really only lost a second round pick, which is actually not a bad asking price for Huet.
These deals could push the Caps into the playoffs. They added loads of veteran experience with 3 regulars and added nothing to their salary base for next year since they're all free agents. I think they did Ok today. | |
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Posted: 2/27/2008 7:29:18 AM | Olie's UFA this summer, same as Huet, so Caps can finally cut the cord with Kolzig and go with huet next year.
they could of did that with out giving up a pick.the cooke trade was decent.federov for a second in a deep draft year is not so good.teams like jersey and detroit are in the cup hunt every year because they build threw thier system.neither team would make deals like these. | |
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Posted: 2/27/2008 7:36:34 AM | | They didn't give up a second round pick for Federov. You must have missed the part about Ted Ruth still being at least three years away from being ready for the NHL. | |
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Posted: 2/27/2008 7:38:51 AM | | Of all the trades, I was a little suprised by the Brian Campbell deal. There were no rumours about him being available and it doesn't seem like they really shopped him around. Would have loved to see him in an Oilers uniform. | |
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Posted: 2/27/2008 7:57:26 AM | The Campbell deal wasn't surprising to anyone in the East. The Boyle contract the night before sealed the fate on Campbell. Think Kevin Lowe was willing to part with 6 million a year for the next 5 or 6 years to eventually sign this guy? I don't. That's what Campbell's looking for. Have no fear tick. by the looks of the smoke coming out of Cliff's ears yesterday, you'll probably be able to pick up Kaberle, Mccabe or Kubina for half price this summer after Cliffy exercises the buyout. Sounds like Cliff has shock treatment planned for Plan B. .
He was not a real happy camper yesterday
The Hossa deal is the surprise for me. A lot of folks are still scratching their heads over that one. Why the Pens think they need more offence is a mystery to me.
And the fact that the Canuckleheads came up empty after all this talk of Hossa, Sundin or Forsberg winidng up in Vancity is a bit surprising. Nonis sounded like he had made better offers than some of the one's taken out there, but i guess we'll never know. Maybe he's just saying that to cover his heiny. Picking up Pettigrews 2 goals and 5 assists for Matt Cooke probably won't win over too many fans in Vanc.
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Speaking of Cliffy, I got the two in 10 rule slapped on me in the Onatrio Go Leafs Go thread, so I'll post it here.
Poor old Cliff must just be seething. He made it pretty clear on a couple of interviews that he felt like a bit of an idiot on trade deadline day. One comment was: "Here my son is making deals for Hossa while I'm making deals for draft picks." It's not nice to tie uncle Cliffy's hands behind his back. He's going to extract his pound of flesh for yesterday's debacle later this offseason. You can take that to the bank. He'll be utterly ruthless this summer. Folks that laughed about him being old and senile when he was hired will find out soon enough he's anything but senile.
Cliff's funny. He deals away our enforcer, not like Maurice ever used the guy properly anyway. Now watch the Leafs get the shit kicked out of them on the ice starting tonight for the last 18 games with nobody to watch their backs.
Sooo, Cliff made no bones about it on an interview on Sportstalk last night before catching a flight that he has no qualms about taking the buyout route and sending Tucker, Kubina and Kaberle thru the waiver wire. Mccabe will have to be a stright buyout as he also has a no movement clause. As far as Cliff's concerned the only piece in the puzzle right now he's willing to keep is Toskala.
The leafs can write a pretty big cheque to cover their losses, which is a good thing because they may have to. Buying out Kubina, Mccabe and Tucker just for starters will penalize the Leafs over 6 and a half million each year for the next 6 years. Wow.
Add Kaberle to the equation and the overall penalty is 8 million. Mccabe also has a no movement clause which means he can't go on the waiver wire. Maybe now some folks can get their heads around what a predicament ferguson and his no-trade clauses have put us in. But there is a conditional clause in Kaberle's contract that says "if Leafs miss playoffs in 2008 or 2009, can be traded without his consent in either the following offseason or prior to the 2009-10 season."
MLSE might just have to bite the bullet and operate like a smaller budget, or small market club has to for over half a decade coming here. Hello Nashville Predators and Columbus Blue Jackets. Lucky for the leafs, leaffans will keep buying in to whatever product they put on the ice.
I can't believe TSN has this clown Ferguson on their shows every night now talking about what the Leafs should do. TSN has lost all credibility having this bozo on the tube every night. They asked him to pick the 5 favorites to win this year's Cup and of the whole panel he's the only one that never bothered to put the Ducks in that list. Brains like cement.
They'll end up with more than half the Marlies on their squad. Which might not be a bad thing considering, as Cliff made a point to mention yesterday, that the Marlies are doing quite well. He also had that old gleam in his eye when the one reporter asked him if it was the country club atmosphere that caused these leafs not to waive, but he refused to engage the reporter in the discussion apart from saying that that was very interesting question.
It's important to note that the worst part of this whole scenario is that this Leaf club is an extremely well paid hockey club. Washington for example is 10 million under the cap, Phoenix 14, Nashville 16, Sharks 10. Even Detroit has over 4 million of space.
In the East, only the Flyers are tighter to the cap than the Leafs and they're carrying three buyouts: 3.1 million for ex-captain concussion Keith Primeau retiring, Nolan Baumgartner at 600K ( for playing 6 games with the Flyers) and Turner Stevenson at 418K. Those three are all off the books at the end of this season. Baumgartner was later picked up by dallas in 06, but Flyers take the cap hit plus half the salary. Primeau's is a little bit complicated because they deferred part of his salary to be able to sign Briere this past off season.
In the West, only Dallas is tighter to the cap than the leafs and by half a million. | |
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Posted: 2/27/2008 8:23:08 AM | couldnt the leafs move most of there dead weight to the ahl? other then mccabe who has a nmc? as far as i know which havnt checked into it really but a ntc should still let you move your player to the ahl. only way i can think you get the dead weight off your cap.
or why not just not play them at all. no ice time, how many players are going to be willing to sit in the pressbox for a full year or 2.
hahaha
anyways i thought the nhl called dives? i guess not wacthing the aves flop around last night. man the aves are a very weak team, might be the worse team in there own end in the west.
go flames go
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