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Posted: 2/29/2008 12:30:59 PM | You're right. Richards would have been perfect.
Deadline day has proven to be an expensive day for Wings the last number of years. I was thinking he might be a little gunshy after giving up two picks plus Shawn Mathias for big Bert last year, Plus Kyle Calder for Jason Williams last year as well. That's 6 bodies the Wings no longer have including the picks. With all the injuries on his backline he may have been more focussed there.
Robert Lang for two picks plus Fleishman didn't work out too well for him either a couple of years back. He's been stung several times on deadline day going all the way back to the first year he got Chelly along with Wendel, Todd Gill, and Ulf Samuelson all told for about 5 draft picks plus some bodies.
Maybe Holland just wanted to beef up his d with one more D man. 2 picks for Stuart though and Stuarts a free agent this summer. Wings do have lots of offense.
Richards comes with a pretty steep price tag at 7.8 mill. Holland was probably in there pitching but Tampa desperately needed a goalie and i doubt they wanted the Dominator or Ozzy for that matter at their age. Mike Smith was probably the key for Tampa at the end of the day. | |
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Posted: 2/29/2008 12:41:22 PM | | Hey Sly he got Billy ranford in that trade with wendel and the boys!! Billy even had to play in the 2nd round agnaist colorado when ozzie went down in the 1st round anahiem seris. Billy actually stellar in goal for the first 2 games in that seris aganist the avs but once the tough guy parker scored in the 3rd game of that seris the flood gates opened for Billy forcing him to the old folks home | |
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Posted: 2/29/2008 7:44:54 PM | I forogt all about old Billy Ranford's swan song with the Wings.
Man what a chintzy holding the stick call on Kubina in overtime after the Leafs battled back again from being down 0-2 on the road. Cheap call. Rats. Almost had my GST all paid up for last year and part of this one coming.. Oh well. Easy come, easy go I guess.
Steen showed us that nice backhander again tonight. Twice in the last four a big league backhander just like Mats has. That backhander like Joe Bowen was saying tonight is a lost art. Like plastering. Maybe there's hope for Alex's boy yet. Leafs close out Feb 8-4-1. Tough sked for March though.
How bout those Wings? Lost again tonight. And to a team near the end of an 8 game road trip. Mind you Sharks I think are still the best road team in the league.One win in their last 11 for those high flying Wings.
Caps win in Federov's debut. Now 3 points out of that last playoff spot. | |
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Posted: 3/1/2008 5:53:26 AM | | Sly --- Talk about cheap calls or no calls the sharks score a goal that hit the netting behind the goal the netting above the glass--- now thats cheap and its not reviewable!!! 4 sets of eyes on the game what were they watching maybe we need another ref out there!!! The dom did not play that welll first shot resulted in a goal he should have had it!! The wings are snake bitten right now!!! Pass the glue please | |
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Posted: 3/1/2008 8:00:49 AM | | Here's a record that I found shocking. Since Nov9 the Toronto Maple Leafs and Ottawa Senators have the EXACT same record (21-21-6). Either the Leafs are better than given credit or the Senetors are overated. Had it not been for the 15-2 start for the Senators, they would be fighting for a playoff spot. | |
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Posted: 3/1/2008 8:27:15 AM | Sorry to hear about the Wings bad luck last nite cam. Maybe they need a ref for every guy out there I duno.
Good stat pick. i couldn't resist emailing the latest standings to my chums that are Sens fans before hitting the hay last night. It's great to get up in the morning and see those free falling Sens now in 5th place. 
There's still lots of hockey left to be played, but Boston has now crept to within 4 of the Sens with 2 games in hand, and the Strangers are playing pretty good these days and they're tied with Boston.
A couple of folks laffed at me last summer when i picked the Sens to finish 8th. Who's laffing now? I dissected that team in another thread, but they've made a couple of moves that should have made a positive difference with Commodore and Stillman but they're still dropping like a stone. Bad chemistry in that drsssing room.
Maybe Mr. Melnyk will believe more in hockey gods than the almighty dollar after this season. You just do not fire a GM that took you to your first Stanley Cup Final after ten years of trying, and not expect to hear about it from the hockey gods. 
They're getting what they deserve and I'm not even a Muckler fan. I hope they miss the playoffs completely and that's not just because of my allegiances to the blue and white.
This could turn out bad for the Sens. Total 4th quarter collapse happening here. Looks like the hockey gods are going to make this a slow painful turn of the knife here in the 4th Q. Couldn't happen to a more highly self-inflated, opinionated, hockey team. They're nowhere near as good as they think they are. I have respect for what they've accomplished since they've been back in the league as a franchise, but up and down that lineup I just see a bunch of quiffs that keep telling us every night they're the best squad in the league. Based on their performance since their record fast start, they're about the 25th best club. Dem's da facts. If or when they decide to look in the mirror and see it is what it is, they may decide to start playing as hard as the rest of the clubs. If not, then they're toast.
I was missing my edit function last nite. Meant to say Thomas Steen's boy has hope yet with that backhander of his.
Huet posts a shutout in his debut last night. | |
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Posted: 3/2/2008 6:45:22 AM | what a night in the dessert. flames play a great game win even after having 2 goals called back.
iggy is now tied with theo fleury for the flames record in goals. cujo also pass terry sawchuk in wins moving him up to 4th place in the all time wins list.
go flames go
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Posted: 3/2/2008 9:06:16 AM | What's sad is that if the Vancouver Canucks make the playoffs, they will get there based on the amount of times they lost in overtime. They will get there because the NHL awards points for failure.
I can assure you of one thing: if it ends up being Wayne Gretzky and his Phoenix Coyotes who miss the post-season because of this, that rule will be changed next year. | |
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Posted: 3/2/2008 9:24:16 AM | Tennis seems to get these borderline line calls correct now with video. I'm not sure why the NHL can't get their act together on these crossing the line disputed goals. That looked like it was in to me.
Too bad to. Doan would never have scored later on that play, Cujo might have posted the gooseegg, and that would have moved him to within two of Bernie Parent and Eddie Giacomin. Good to see Cujo getting some action. They may need him come playoff time the way the West loves to crash the net.
I was more impressed with the Flames game the night before against those Ducks. Even though they lost, guys like Jimmy Vandermeer and Phaneuf sent their warning shot across the bow on that one. Ducks probably woke up saturday morning knowing they'd been in a hockey game the night before. Every team needs a guy like Phaneuf. The guy's a monster.
Calgary looks good. Keenan's starting to get his game face on. He didn't want to hear anything about how the Flames outplayed the Ducks the last two periods. They lost and that's it and that's all there is to it. Iron Mike. One of a kind. | |
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Posted: 3/2/2008 1:11:36 PM | Well sly Its like I said the other night when 4 officals didnt see apuck hit the netting ....This was agame winning goal shame on them!! I also believe that puck was in the net!!
What would they have done if they scored anothe rgoal give them 2 goals they need to whistle it down and review the play immediately!!!! Don Cherry for commissinor | |
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Posted: 3/2/2008 3:46:00 PM | """...they need to whistle it down and review the play immediately!!..."""
That was kind of my thinking on it as well. You know years ago you never had all these issues with indeterminate goals anyway. At least i don't remember all this many. Seems almost every night there's one. It's like a plague on the game anymore. Rumour has it next year they're going to call everything a goal automatically and then send it to Toronto immediately for review.
In other words, the refs will just be an extra two pairs of skates out there clogging up the ice as the callmaking decision will be taken entirely away from them. I dunno. The game never seemed to have these issues with it years ago with one ref, fixed nets, and a goal judge. I know the Oilers got the shaft on a few calls coming down the stretch there two years ago when they were fighting like mad to scramble their way into the playoffs.
There was nowhere near the amount of these calls years ago when the nets were firmly planted with the spikes. Players didn't crash the nets with wreckless abandon back then when they knew the damn net was an immovable object and wouldn't give way. i don't know what the answer is, but tennis has cleared up a lot of their issues with whether the ball was on the line or behind the line and for the life of me I can't see why the NHL can't find a way to fix this.
I wouldn't want to think it was a hometown call because of Doan's goal, but Craig Simpson doing the color commentary went with his first instinct saying he thought it was in all the time the play carried on. Then after Doan's goal he did a complete 180 and thought maybe it didn't cross the line entierly. Even on the replay i thought it was in so I'm not sure. Buddy Stock there doing the color with Maclean after the game thought for sure it was a goal as well.
On another note, during the hotstove 2nd intermission of the Leaf game they mentioned that Zednik has ordered a special vest with like a built-in kevlar collar to wear to protect his throat and apparently the OHL has made them mandatory starting next year. I guess the Western Hockey league is having a full conference call on it on Monday to talk of implementing it there as well starting next year.
Then they'll have to pad up the stanchions there where Captain Canada nearly got decapitated last night. Boy that was a nasty one. He's apparently OK though. NHL's too cheap to do that though. | |
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Posted: 3/2/2008 4:53:18 PM | That was a goal sly it showed it on replay the angel from above didnt give a clear view
Then they shower in from a different angel the puck was going in on angel and the puck was over the red line as it rolled in.... with the puck on edge it looked like that part may have been on the line but that part of the puck was not on the ice surface!!!
I think they may needs some cameras on the side posts..... you can tell the games are getting more critical... good hockey right now.. | |
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Posted: 3/3/2008 10:22:50 AM |
Players didn't crash the nets with wreckless abandon back then when they knew the damn net was an immovable object I never liked the change to make things so the net crashers didn't get hurt as much. The result was pretty predictable.
And yeah, if this video stuffs gonna last, and it looks like it is, they really should put in a few more cameras and get rid of the question marks and grey areas. | |
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Posted: 3/3/2008 10:43:34 AM | couldnt the nhl just change the way the back of the post are or at least the cross bar, so a overhead view instead of the line on the ice being inline with the crossbar. that way if the puck is past the crossbar on a replay its past the goalline? also use a highspeed high def camara. sounds better then the stupid camra at a angle with poor quality to me.
i bet the mythbusters could figure out if these were goals or not. lol
go flames go
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Posted: 3/3/2008 6:25:46 PM | "And yeah, if this video stuffs gonna last, and it looks like it is, they really should put in a few more cameras and get rid of the question marks and grey areas."
Seems to me that technology is at a point where it would be relatively easy to put a microchip transponder in the puck and detectors in the 4x6 which would prove conclusively whether or not the puck crossed the plane of the goal line.
(And no, it most definitely would NOT involve flashing strobe lights or blue-streaking pucks!! ) | |
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Posted: 3/3/2008 6:31:03 PM | | how about this.if there is any question its a goal.might change the game a tad.bring back the desperation that is lacking.oh ya.get rid of the intigator rule.now we have hockey. | |
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Posted: 3/3/2008 6:33:52 PM | We don't need no steenking transponders in our pucks.
Seriously, i don't think we need radar and everything else around the goal area. Just better cameras. maybe build something into the underpart of the crossbar seamlessly into it so it doesn't interfere at all with the existing goal area. That friggin' replay camera CBC has for these calls is just brutally blurry. Brutal pics.
Caps hangin' one on the beantowners but good tonight. They were up 6-0 about 15 minutes into it. Ovechkin had the hat trick in the first period. It's now 10-2. Glad that wasn't the same Caps the leafs beat saturday night. | |
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Posted: 3/3/2008 7:39:19 PM | I didn't see the goal/non-goal that sparked this debate, but I think they have enough technology already. They slow down the game enough, while players wait on the bench to find out whether they can celebrate or not. Now, if this latest issue is of a goal that was clearly a goal, then all the technology in the world is not going to change that. It sounds like it was a bad call by the ref, plain and simple. And as long as there is the human element of referees caaling hockey games, there will always be bad calls.
As for this play in question being reviewable, from the description I've read here, absolutely it is reviewable and likely was reviewed in Toronto as the play continued. (Every goal in every game is reviewed in Toronto now.)If they saw reason to question the shot, they would call down to the penalty box (as directed from Toronto) on the next stoppage of play and order an official's time-out. If the play is determined a goal, the face-off would come to centre ice and the appropriate amount of time would be added onto the clock. | |
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Posted: 3/4/2008 5:49:06 PM | What happens if a nother goal is scored?
Or how about a penalty? | |
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Posted: 3/4/2008 6:13:19 PM | """...What happens if a nother goal is scored?..."""
That's a pretty good arguement for blowing the play dead on the intial dispute. When this finally does happen, because it is bound to happen eventually, it'll look pretty stupid on the NHL.
Calgary's goal was apparently inconclusive to not have it overturned, and in the same shift, Doan scored for Phoenix probably about a minute later. How stupid would that look if Calgary had scored two goals on the same extended shift.
Would they just waive off the second goal for the same team? Dumb stuff. | |
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Posted: 3/4/2008 6:24:20 PM | "We don't need no steenking transponders in our pucks.
Seriously, i don't think we need radar and everything else around the goal area. Just better cameras. maybe build something into the underpart of the crossbar seamlessly into it so it doesn't interfere at all with the existing goal area."
That IS a much better idea!<img src=http://www.plentyoffish.com/smiles/icon_201.gif border=0>
One would think that one or more small hi-def cameras could be built into the goal frame to offer better views than the Vaseline-look footage they now seem to favour when reviewing disputed goals. | |
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Posted: 3/4/2008 6:40:28 PM | The ref cannot blow it down if he did not see it in the net.
If another goal is scored and then upon review an earlier goal is recognized during the same run of play, the first goal is awarded the 2nd goal is nullified and the time put back on the clock to the first goal.
Any penalties called would stand.
I have seen it in NHL games at least 3 times in the last 10 yrs.
Rare but it does happen. | |
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Posted: 3/5/2008 2:27:36 PM | passionandsong, i stumbled on this blog last night. Thought you might find it interesting. I cut and paste a couple of paragraphs from it. Sometimes down the road, when some of the hockey fan's kids grow up and want to find out how little we all knew about anything by reading stuff like this, the link does not exist anymore.
For a guy presumed to be on glue, he sounds pretty pumped up about his hockey club :
Caps owner Ted Leonsis:
"""... comparing Tuesday’s experience to the last few trade deadlines... certainly had a different feeling this year – a much better feeling. In many ways it also continued to validate our willingness to steadfastly adhere to our plan. And we had a reason to keep an eye on that out-of-town scoreboard, which is an awfully nice feeling...
Clearly times have changed. I told you change was coming, didn’t I?
...As I think George McPhee demonstrated with his moves on Tuesday, we want to make the playoffs...As George has pointed out, our team has played so hard and so well the last few months, we wanted to give them every opportunity to earn a playoff berth without jeopardizing our overall plan. I think we did remarkably well. Part of Tuesday’s excitement was that we made key acquisitions without sacrificing the future.
..Matt Pettinger... The fact was, especially with his struggles offensively this year, we weren’t sure how he would fit in next year’s plans. Matt Cooke is a player that I know George has admired for a while...feisty, tough and with enough skill to average double-digits in goals the past six years. I can’t wait to watch him, and I know our guys can’t wait to have him on their side.
Cristobal Huet was available at a price (Anaheim’s second-round choice in 2009) we couldn’t turn down. Cristobal and Olie Kolzig give us two elite goaltenders
George – in consultation with our scouts and goalie coach Dave Prior – just felt that the price was too good for Huet, and that’s something that the NHL media echoed across North America.
Sergei Fedorov is a player I’ve always admired, and hearing Alex, Alexander and Viktor Kozlov speak about him, I know I am not alone. Much has been made of how Sergei will impact them, but I think he will impact our entire team. He’ll help the power play, the penalty kill, the second line (which is missing a key piece in Michael Nylander) and in the locker room. Sergei has three Stanley Cup rings. He’s won one in Washington even. He brings an amazing presence to our team.
...share in my excitement regarding the direction we are heading...every February game drew a crowd of more than 17,000. Attendance only begins to tell the success story. Local broadcast ratings have spiked dramatically. Comcast SportsNet has enjoyed a 40-plus% improvement from last season in its ratings. NBC has taken notice as well, picking up the March 9 game against Pittsburgh that will now start at 12:30 p.m..."""
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http://capitals.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=355702
If that link doesn't work, try this one:
http://tinyurl.com/2s2xj4
He sounds like a happy camper.
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Anybody noticing the BlackHawks aren't going away? I thought they'd hit the wall months ago, but there still seems to be life there. Two tuff games for them starting tonight, so we'll see how they measure up against the Ducks tonight.
Looks like the month of March is where it's all going to hang for a lot of clubs. This one point for an OT loss that few of us know what to do with may make the league or the game look kinds dumb for rewarding failure, but it sure tightens up the races giving a lot of clubs a shot here heading down the stretch. It kind of hampers clubs, but in some ways, it kind of helps them too. Maybe they should do a complete about face and give absolutely zero points for a tie. No points for either team. Wonder if that would change anything.
Brodeur looked last night like he's rounding into playoff form. Some 32% of his 900 something games, he's let in one goal or less. The guy just completely robbed the leafs 4 or 5 times last night. Too bad to. That score was definitely not indicative of the game. Leafs played hard and deserved a better fate. Tuff loss for our blue and white. Devils looking to be the only club that's won it's division all 3 years since the lockout. | |
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Posted: 3/5/2008 2:39:50 PM | Sergei Fedorov is a player I’ve always admired, and hearing Alex, Alexander and Viktor Kozlov speak about him, I know I am not alone. Much has been made of how Sergei will impact them, but I think he will impact our entire team. He’ll help the power play, the penalty kill, the second line (which is missing a key piece in Michael Nylander) and in the locker room. Sergei has three Stanley Cup rings. He’s won one in Washington even. He brings an amazing presence to our team.
i agree with what he said,but the job of a g.m is to create a winner,not make the playoffs one year when you have little chance to go very far.would jersey or detroit have made these trades(the cooke trade not inclueded)...not a chance.bad moves for the position they are in. period.now would have the leafs made these trades..no doubt about it. | |
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Posted: 3/5/2008 3:25:24 PM | Actually two of the core components of the Caps come as a direct result of the fact that the Red Wings have been more than willing to sacrifice their future on trading day for annual runs at the Cup. Maybe it's you that's on the glue here. Pay attention. You might learn something.
Fleishcman and Green and another pick for Robert Lang come to mind. Not to mention last years bad play for Bertuzzi givng up Shawn Matthias and 2 picks. Jason Williams to Chicago for Kyle Calder. There's 6 bodies that aren't with the club this year but didn't help them win a Cup last year either. Red Wings are looking pretty old these days, and a lot of their cupboard is now bare. They just finished giving up another two picks for Stuart. So i'm not sure at all where you're coming from sticking to this story of yours that the Red Wings aren't willing to go for it every year.
That goes back all the way to 99 when they gave up a ton and a half to bring in Wendel Calrke, Todd gill, Ulf Samuelson and Chelly and, as someone else pointed out, Ranford.. They need to count their blessing that late late draft picks like Holmstrom (257th), Zetterburg (210th) and Datsyuk (171st) have panned out so well, because they have more than shot their bolt most years at the deadline, so you can scrap that arguement as quick as you like about the Red Wings. The more it's said, the dumber it sounds. Period..
Devils have a history of making trades too, but it looks like I deleted that file last week accidentally. The secret with the Devils is Lou Lamorello. This guy is just light years ahead of all GM's with the possible exception of Burke. They showed a stat last night that really makes all leaf fans that wanted Sundin to waive to be nothing more than whiners and crybabies. It's been said, that only babies get what they want by crying all the time. Lamorello has never had a pick higher than 17th in over a decade, but he keeps on producing Cup contenders year after year.
Others that want to whine about using Getzlaff and Perry as examples of leafs not developing their players, don't really know what they're talking about either. Both Perry (23rd)and Getzlaff (19th) were drafted way up in the draft. Two very important cogs to their present club didn't go in the first five from the lottery at all. And as far as letting them develop in the minors, they both played a whopping 17 games before being called up to the big club. Just thought I'd get that off my chest regarding folks prophecizing doom and gloom for the leafs for the next decade if we don't finish in the last five this year.
Anyways, i guess you'd know better than Ted Leonsis how to run his hockey business. getting to the playoffs means pure profit dollars. For a rebuilding franchise that's lost a lot of money over the years, winning the Cup this year isn't the goal. Making the playoffs is and building on it from there next year is.
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